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ATTENTION INVADERS! "Warzone Sandbox" open!

[reploidproductions]
18-05-2004, 06:44
Yeah yeah, you guys are probably getting tired of these announcement threads addressed to invaders =p

However, unlike the invasion rules debate, this is something that I rather highly suspect will go over well with... well, everybody.

We've kept it under wraps, but [violet] just finished up the code, and we need some invaders to help us test it.

Who: All you folks who enjoy the 'invading' aspect of Nationstates play.

What: A new form of region catering specifically to invasion play. Spamming the region's civil HQ is allowed, spamming the region's happenings is allowed (so long as a region not involved doesn't get spammed in the process!), and the delegate can punt as many folks as they want. The catch? Bans autoexpire twice a day.

Where: Warzone Sandbox
Warzone Airspace
Warzone Europe
Warzone Asia
Warzone Australia
Warzone Africa

When: The region is open for business, folks! Anytime now!

Why: Because it doesn't seem we'll be settling the new ruleset any time soon, and we think this will be a more attractive option to non-rulebreaking invaders. We think it'll be really appealing because invaders can deploy some of the dirtier tactics (spamming the regional board/happenings) that the normal rules don't allow.

NOTE: ONLY the region "Warzone Sandbox" is set up like this. There is a special notice on the region's page that declares it's a "Warzone" region. Regions without this notice are subject to the normal invasion rules!

If the Warzone works out well enough, we'll add more "Warzone" regions as the need calls for, with more suitable names than "Sandbox" :wink:

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Attitude 910
18-05-2004, 06:57
I love this Idea
Angry Gerbils
18-05-2004, 07:00
How many nations are allowed to be ejected at one time?
Attitude 910
18-05-2004, 07:02
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What: A new form of region catering specifically to invasion play. Spamming the region's civil HQ is allowed, spamming the region's happenings is allowed (so long as a region not involved doesn't get spammed in the process!), and the delegate can punt as many folks as they want. The catch? Bans autoexpire twice a day.
New Oltan
18-05-2004, 07:03
I guess the only rule that still aplies is no UN multing?
Reploid Productions
18-05-2004, 07:11
I guess the only rule that still aplies is no UN multing?

Yup. And we will sweep it regularly for UN Multies.
Unfree People
18-05-2004, 07:13
That's... interesting. What would be the point of capturing and/or holding this region? To announce in the WFE that your invader group pwns all?

Although, I suppose that's kinda the point for any invasion.
[violet]
18-05-2004, 07:16
All the site T&Cs still apply (no posting porn, etc).

The difference is that in a Warzone there are not any special rights for residents (or 'natives'), so you can play as hard as you like without being considered a griefer.
Reploid Productions
18-05-2004, 07:17
And, unless the code is buggy, it should list who's held the delegacy the longest ^_~
WhiteCastle
18-05-2004, 07:21
> I like...thanks for a brillant idea...

:lol:
Crazy girl
18-05-2004, 07:22
will it also say who was delegate first? :twisted:
WhiteCastle
18-05-2004, 07:25
> yea...me... :P

Just kidding...great job mods!!!!!
Sketch
18-05-2004, 07:33
Sounds interesting, too bad I can't tag regions too :P
Crazy girl
18-05-2004, 07:56
i am having WAY too much fun here :twisted:
Crazy girl
18-05-2004, 08:22
airspace sounds even more fun! :twisted:
Reploid Productions
18-05-2004, 08:22
To help handle the problem of non-Warzone regions getting spammed by folks trying to spam the Warzone Sandbox happenings, we've added a second Warzone.

So now there's Warzone Sandbox to fight over, and Warzone Airspace. Please limit regional happenings spamming to between those regions!
Riemstagrad
18-05-2004, 10:04
i like it.
would be nice if there's a whole bunch of those regions. maybe "warzone [real life nation]"? people would try to build an empire there... lots of strategy.
Komokom
18-05-2004, 10:49
And, unless the code is buggy, it should list who's held the delegacy the longest ^_~

Wow, king of the hill play.

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Crazy girl
18-05-2004, 11:06
so...
just to make sure..
the delegate can kick how many she wants, and who ever she wants?


:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
The Most Glorious Hack
18-05-2004, 11:07
so...
just to make sure..
the delegate can kick how many she wants, and who ever she wants?


:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

In Warzone regions, yes.
Crazy girl
18-05-2004, 11:09
niiiiice... :twisted:

*checks if hack's puppet is still there*
Meulmania
18-05-2004, 11:10
Sounds good....

Considers finding an invasion party.

hmmmm :roll: :wink: :roll:
Crazy girl
18-05-2004, 11:12
ha, come and get me, invaders! :twisted:

mmmm...
not 1, not 2 but 3 modpuppets in the region...
Crazy girl
18-05-2004, 11:50
Regional Happenings
Seconds ago: The Unknown Moderator Puppet of The Smite Button departed this region for The Rejected Realms
Seconds ago: The RRA Commander of Sky Skimmer ejected The Unknown Moderator Puppet of The Smite Button from the region.
Seconds ago: The First Expeditionary Force of The Triumvirate of Yut departed this region for The Rejected Realms
Seconds ago: The RRA Commander of Sky Skimmer ejected The First Expeditionary Force of The Triumvirate of Yut from the region.
Seconds ago: The International Waters of Seahorse departed this region for The North Pacific
Seconds ago: The Flag Making Colony of Infinite Loop departed this region for The Rejected Realms
Seconds ago: The RRA Commander of Sky Skimmer ejected The Flag Making Colony of Infinite Loop from the region.
Seconds ago: The Most Glorious Modified Puppet Nation of Glaaki departed this region for The Rejected Realms
Seconds ago: The RRA Commander of Sky Skimmer ejected The Most Glorious Modified Puppet Nation of Glaaki from the region.


flying mods! :twisted:
The Atheists Reality
18-05-2004, 11:51
Regional Happenings
Seconds ago: The Unknown Moderator Puppet of The Smite Button departed this region for The Rejected Realms
Seconds ago: The RRA Commander of Sky Skimmer ejected The Unknown Moderator Puppet of The Smite Button from the region.
Seconds ago: The First Expeditionary Force of The Triumvirate of Yut departed this region for The Rejected Realms
Seconds ago: The RRA Commander of Sky Skimmer ejected The First Expeditionary Force of The Triumvirate of Yut from the region.
Seconds ago: The International Waters of Seahorse departed this region for The North Pacific
Seconds ago: The Flag Making Colony of Infinite Loop departed this region for The Rejected Realms
Seconds ago: The RRA Commander of Sky Skimmer ejected The Flag Making Colony of Infinite Loop from the region.
Seconds ago: The Most Glorious Modified Puppet Nation of Glaaki departed this region for The Rejected Realms
Seconds ago: The RRA Commander of Sky Skimmer ejected The Most Glorious Modified Puppet Nation of Glaaki from the region.


flying mods! :twisted:

<insert insane laugh>
Crazy girl
18-05-2004, 11:58
Warzone Sandbox
World Factbook Entry: Welcome to Warzone Sandbox! The first of a new (and hopefully popular) breed of region. Invasion and conquest is the name of the game, and the usual rules DO NOT apply! Spam the regional happenings, spam the Civil HQ, boot as many folks out as you want! The catch? Bans aren\'t permenant here. Only the most attentive and crafty of the invaders will be able to take, let alone hold, this region! MAKE SURE NOT TO SPAM NON-WARZONE REGIONS IN THE PROCESS!! ~~~~~taken over by defenders: come and get me, invaders!
Crazy girl
18-05-2004, 12:31
Warzone Sandbox Delegate: Sky Skimmer

Warzone Airspace Delegate: Ostendt
Arnarchotopia
18-05-2004, 12:36
Result! Both region conquered (in the nicest possible way of course) by the all powerfull GLA! None compares to us, we RULE! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Crazy girl
18-05-2004, 12:39
lol, i wonder if any invader is good enough to take the region :twisted:
no password, and no lasting bans, come and get me ;)
Ostendt
18-05-2004, 13:31
Warzone Airspace


World Factbook Entry: his region is the third dimension of warfare: The skies above and around the Warzone, the best way to get warfighters and materiel about. Feel free to spam the regional happenings between here and Warzone Sandbox, but NOWHERE ELSE. This region is primarily to make regional happening spam in Warzone Sandbox possible without spamming any other regions. Have fun! "Arnarchotopia should of been the Delegate!" But he didnt :p -->1°taken by GLA!

8)
Gothic Kitty
18-05-2004, 14:23
Warzone Sandbox Delegate: Sky Skimmer

Warzone Airspace Delegate: Ostendt

I always knew you were a bunch of invaders :twisted:
Guvner
18-05-2004, 16:48
Can't we liberate something that hadn’t been conquered?

:mrgreen:
Enerica
18-05-2004, 17:09
I'm sending my spy :twisted:
Tactical Grace
18-05-2004, 18:31
would be nice if there's a whole bunch of those regions. maybe "warzone [real life nation]"? people would try to build an empire there... lots of strategy.
When we were discussing it, I suggested a naming convention along those lines, if this idea became popular and there was more demand. So, who knows?

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
Reploid Productions
18-05-2004, 19:34
would be nice if there's a whole bunch of those regions. maybe "warzone [real life nation]"? people would try to build an empire there... lots of strategy.
When we were discussing it, I suggested a naming convention along those lines, if this idea became popular and there was more demand. So, who knows?

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Hint hint, guys, make Sandbox and Airspace popular, wildly active invasion regions, and then you'll start getting places like Warzone Europe, Warzone Asia, Warzone America, etc etc etc!
NuMetal
18-05-2004, 21:13
Cool I guess, although to be absolutly honest it seems pointless if you overthink it, great fun all the same though, why not just make it an option to make a warzone region and u wont get founder powers or something?
Cogitation
19-05-2004, 03:27
I've been asked (by telegram from a concerend player) if Founderless user-created regions will automatically become Warzone regions.

The answer is NO.

Warzone regions are Moderator-created regions and are marked with a special notice like this:

Warzone Sandbox is a Warzone! The UN Delegate may eject nations as it pleases, but bans are temporary. The region cannot be password-protected and has no Founder.

This notice is separate from the World Factbook Entry and cannot be faked. "Warzone" status is only designated or removed by manual Moderator action. No user-created region will ever automatically default to a "Warzone" region under any circumstances.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator
A Sailor
19-05-2004, 03:29
So, when is this "twice a day" that bans are supposed to autoexpire? I've been banned from both regions :evil: and I've been wondering when I can get back in? :twisted:
Kandarin
19-05-2004, 03:32
Keep in mind that this will not replace regular invasions. Few invaders would go for such a region, except possibly those who genuinely want to help it. Most will continue to go after player-created and feeder/sink regions.
Pax Romania
19-05-2004, 03:37
i love the idea. This will add a good new item to the game. At the very least, these regions can be used for training and the like. I love the idea and I hope more can come. Maybe we should think about the possibility of having passwords. That would also add espionage. Maybe the pws can decay like the bans!
Kandarin
19-05-2004, 03:41
Just a thought: How about the region updating at both update times, instead of just one? Or maybe they could update at totally random times.

I'd like to see someone take power in these regions, stabilize them, and make them work...it worked for the RR, after all. Would be interesting to see people try.
New Cyprus
19-05-2004, 03:44
Just a thought: How about the region updating at both update times, instead of just one? Or maybe they could update at totally random times.

I'd like to see someone take power in these regions, stabilize them, and make them work...it worked for the RR, after all. Would be interesting to see people try.

Yes I agree on this aspect, it would be interesting for nations to try to obtain a position of permanent power.
Cogitation
19-05-2004, 03:44
Just a thought: How about the region updating at both update times, instead of just one? Or maybe they could update at totally random times.

I'd like to see someone take power in these regions, stabilize them, and make them work...it worked for the RR, after all. Would be interesting to see people try.

What do you think this means? :P

What: A new form of region catering specifically to invasion play. Spamming the region's civil HQ is allowed, spamming the region's happenings is allowed (so long as a region not involved doesn't get spammed in the process!), and the delegate can punt as many folks as they want. The catch? Bans autoexpire twice a day.

Wait a minute, you meant UN Delegate updates, didn't you?

Okay, I'm dumb. :oops:

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A Sailor
19-05-2004, 03:48
But I'm still banned! I think this twice a day is a myth! Isn't the minor update like late afternoon (east coast US)? I was banned before that, and I'm still banned! :(
NuMetal
19-05-2004, 04:18
I've been asked (by telegram from a concerend player) if Founderless user-created regions will automatically become Warzone regions.

The answer is NO.

Warzone regions are Moderator-created regions and are marked with a special notice like this:

Warzone Sandbox is a Warzone! The UN Delegate may eject nations as it pleases, but bans are temporary. The region cannot be password-protected and has no Founder.

This notice is separate from the World Factbook Entry and cannot be faked. "Warzone" status is only designated or removed by manual Moderator action. No user-created region will ever automatically default to a "Warzone" region under any circumstances.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

So does this mean no one will ever be able to make a warzone other than mods, or just that it will never default to it?
Sky Skimmer
19-05-2004, 06:15
ummm...
all the people i banned fromthe region right after becoming delegate, are still on the banlist..
what's up with that?
i thought it would be cleared twice a day?
Reploid Productions
19-05-2004, 06:30
ummm...
all the people i banned fromthe region right after becoming delegate, are still on the banlist..
what's up with that?
i thought it would be cleared twice a day?

Well, like I said in the first post- this thing is still a beta thing. I'll report it up the line that the banlist isn't clearing.
Sky Skimmer
19-05-2004, 06:34
okay, then i'll just clear the thing manually this time
Sky Skimmer
19-05-2004, 06:53
and done:

Ban List
No nations are banned.



now come and get me!! :twisted:
Reploid Productions
19-05-2004, 07:43
Okay, according to the boss, it actually was going to clear the banlist once per day. It should be set to clear it twice a day now.
Daistallia 2104
19-05-2004, 08:51
Great idea!

8) Not at all an invader player, and I never have unterstood the point. But so what. Some do. This gives those who want to a space to play. More Warzones! :D
Crazy girl
19-05-2004, 09:28
nice, just when i cleared the banlist manually..

o well, i can kick some people to see if it works on the big update
any volunteers for a good kick? :twisted:
Crazy girl
19-05-2004, 11:32
it worked now, the banlist cleared itself :twisted:

and what's this?

Longest-serving Delegate: 0 (1 day)
Myrth
19-05-2004, 11:37
I think that the game needs to update before that 0 will show the actual longest-serving delegate.
Crazy girl
19-05-2004, 11:38
ah, okay, thanks myrthy..

btw, you're in the RR :twisted:
Myrth
19-05-2004, 11:45
ah, okay, thanks myrthy..

btw, you're in the RR :twisted:

I'll be back 8)
Crazy girl
19-05-2004, 11:48
you are back..
now behave and be nice, or i'll kick you again 8)
Ballotonia
19-05-2004, 11:55
you are back..
now behave and be nice, or i'll kick you again 8)

Astounding how dictatorial little girls can be!

Just say you look like "Jim" or "Boris", and perhaps that will get you a more friendly treatment... ;)

Ballotonia
Crazy girl
19-05-2004, 11:59
i'm not interesting in jim or boris, ballo :P

i got my own finnish prince :D
Retepland
19-05-2004, 13:46
Greetings from Warzone Airspace!

The evil dictator Ostendt is no more!

All hail the brutal tyrant Retepland!

Warzone Airspace is now under the control of the Equilism Army www.equilism.com. Rules:

1) You must respect Ostendt, Retepland, Tse Moana, Neboe and Chocka.
2) If you have a boring motto, you're gone...
3) If you have the letter 'Q' in your nation name, you're gone...
4) If you happen to be the daughter of the son of a sailor, you're GONE!

And other such laws as I see fit.

MWA HA HA HA!!!
Goobergunchia
19-05-2004, 13:48
ooo, worse than the Pacific Civil Code!
Ballotonia
19-05-2004, 14:10
ooo, worse than the Pacific Civil Code!

Actually, I think they're about the same.

Ballotonia
Ballotonia
19-05-2004, 14:15
Come to think of it... while a bunch of defenders are having lots of fun here... where are the oh so mighty invaders? Surely with their uber leet invader power and extensive invader experience they could take one or both of these little regions?

Ballotonia
Gothic Kitty
19-05-2004, 14:43
If I was an invader, I would go find my luck elsewhere. Everybody knows that invading a region, with a crazy delegate, is inpossible. Forget about the warzones, there is a whole wide world out there. Full of of sleeping delegates.
Ballotonia
19-05-2004, 15:16
If I was an invader, I would go find my luck elsewhere. Everybody knows that invading a region, with a crazy delegate, is inpossible. Forget about the warzones, there is a whole wide world out there. Full of of sleeping delegates.

Where's the honor in that? No challenge. Bah!

Ballotonia
Spoffin
19-05-2004, 15:45
This is just what I tried to do by killing off the founder to my region. Didn't work that well.

I have a feeling this'll work for a bit, but at some point someone will just get a deathgrip on the delegacy.

Lets just hope that its me.

*TO WARZONE!*
Retepland
19-05-2004, 15:51
Update from the Brutal Tyrant of Warzone Airspace:

Our Clown Court has just found Arachnotopia GUILTY of breaking the first law of Warzone Airspace: not giving respect to those mentioned in the Law.

It was suggested by the Jury to punish him by throwing The Daughter Of The Son Of A Sailor into the Rejected Realms. That'll teach them to endorse each other.

Currently, we are debating what to do with The United Socialist States of Brenin, who has broken the second law of Warzone Airspace: having a boring motto with "Hail Brenin" in it. He has been found GUILTY and sent to the RR.

Spoffin was found NOT GUILTY of having a boring motto, but was sent to the Moral Lepers Corner for being too grovelly along with Not A Sailor.

MWA HA HA!!! :twisted:
Juxtapositions
19-05-2004, 17:35
Come to think of it... while a bunch of defenders are having lots of fun here... where are the oh so mighty invaders? Surely with their uber leet invader power and extensive invader experience they could take one or both of these little regions?

Ballotonia

Nope, not even worth trying. The concept behind the warzones is neat but flawed. The antis outnumber the invaders by at least 2 to 1. As soon as the antis get their hands on the region it's a done deal that they own it. It's a straight numbers game.
The region only changes delegate once a day at a known time. To take a warzone region requires that enough invaders get in there at an exact time when the delegate will undoubtedly be awake and waiting for that exact action. Pointless, the delegate will just boot all the invaders just before the update.

Want to make the warzones interesting and actually worth a try to take? Don't make more, make the check for a new delegate every 10 minutes.
Equility
19-05-2004, 18:10
Want to make the warzones interesting and actually worth a try to take? Don't make more, make the check for a new delegate every 10 minutes.

Every 10 minutes would be chaos, that would be no fun. I think updates 2 or 3 times a day on random times would be alot more interesting.
Emperor Matthuis
19-05-2004, 18:25
Come to think of it... while a bunch of defenders are having lots of fun here... where are the oh so mighty invaders? Surely with their uber leet invader power and extensive invader experience they could take one or both of these little regions?

Ballotonia

Nope, not even worth trying. The concept behind the warzones is neat but flawed. The antis outnumber the invaders by at least 2 to 1. As soon as the antis get their hands on the region it's a done deal that they own it. It's a straight numbers game.
The region only changes delegate once a day at a known time. To take a warzone region requires that enough invaders get in there at an exact time when the delegate will undoubtedly be awake and waiting for that exact action. Pointless, the delegate will just boot all the invaders just before the update.

Want to make the warzones interesting and actually worth a try to take? Don't make more, make the check for a new delegate every 10 minutes.


Yeah invaders are seriously outnumbered now, so there is no real competition, and no invaders have made any real bid for power.
Gothic Kitty
19-05-2004, 18:40
In all fairness, it would be more fun if defenders have one warzone, and invaders have the other warzone. We could see some real competition than. Right now it is just a bunch of people having fun, but no real warring is happening.
Juxtapositions
19-05-2004, 19:08
Every 10 minutes would be chaos, that would be no fun. I think updates 2 or 3 times a day on random times would be alot more interesting.

With all due respect I wouldn't try it then either. Move all the invading nations in just to sit there and wait and hope no one notices they are there? No thanks, what's the point? The chances of that succeeding are about nil.

The ideal situation would be one where as soon as one nation has more endorsements than the sitting delegate, they become delegate. (we all thought that was the way it worked when we started playing anyway, right?) Every 10 minutes in my eyes is a compromise. Too bad the NationStates DB doesn't support triggers, that would make it easy to do on a real time basis.
Equility
19-05-2004, 19:25
The ideal situation would be one where as soon as one nation has more endorsements than the sitting delegate, they become delegate. (we all thought that was the way it worked when we started playing anyway, right?) Every 10 minutes in my eyes is a compromise. Too bad the NationStates DB doesn't support triggers, that would make it easy to do on a real time basis.

Well that may be very interesting indeed, however in that case it still would be about the numbers, and the invaders would be outnumberd anyway.
Juxtapositions
19-05-2004, 19:32
Well that may be very interesting indeed, however in that case it still would be about the numbers, and the invaders would be outnumberd anyway.

This would be true if there was only one warzone but once you have multiple warzones you need too many people to defend them all and invasion forces could then take them by concentrating on one.
Holding them would only be temporary for anyone at that point becuase only one person can control the delegate position and that person has to sleep sometimes.
Spoffin
19-05-2004, 19:45
Every 10 minutes would be chaos, that would be no fun. I think updates 2 or 3 times a day on random times would be alot more interesting.

With all due respect I wouldn't try it then either. Move all the invading nations in just to sit there and wait and hope no one notices they are there? No thanks, what's the point? The chances of that succeeding are about nil.

The ideal situation would be one where as soon as one nation has more endorsements than the sitting delegate, they become delegate. (we all thought that was the way it worked when we started playing anyway, right?) Every 10 minutes in my eyes is a compromise. Too bad the NationStates DB doesn't support triggers, that would make it easy to do on a real time basis.Even every hour or half hour would be fine, no-one can be online round the clock, and your average defence operation wouldn't be that sizable with that little time. I don't know if this would be too extreme though.


This is kindof out there given that this has just started, but how about Warzone Risk: you have basicly all the warzones as vaguely the RL locations on the Risk board, and people can try to take them over at random, or in a geographical pattern, with bonuses for adjacent squares declared in the name of the same groups (meaning that alliances between regions have real benefits).

Dammit, this is how NS should be played. :D
Kandarin
20-05-2004, 03:36
Come to think of it... while a bunch of defenders are having lots of fun here... where are the oh so mighty invaders? Surely with their uber leet invader power and extensive invader experience they could take one or both of these little regions?

Ballotonia

Defenders are basically invaders with morals...we couldn't attack player-created regions because people are living there, so we defend them. Now that we have regions where we can do as we please without harming anyone or violating Mod rules, we can act like invaders when in those regions. :wink:

And yes, Cog, I meant Delegate updates.
Beachcomber
20-05-2004, 04:04
Isn't it interesting that the moment all these upstanding moral self-proclaimed "defenders" get the green light to grief, that they immediately go all Lord of the Flies?
Attitude 910
20-05-2004, 04:36
Well that may be very interesting indeed, however in that case it still would be about the numbers, and the invaders would be outnumberd anyway.



Don't under estimate us Invaders. :twisted:
Reploid Productions
20-05-2004, 04:52
Hrm.... Lots of feedback, and the leaderboard is working, it seems. Perhaps it's time to expand this 'beta' a bit, since I've heard some clamor that the Warzone concept will work better with more zones...

The question is... HOW many more zones?
Attitude 910
20-05-2004, 04:54
I would say a least 2 more
Ballotonia
20-05-2004, 08:08
Come to think of it... while a bunch of defenders are having lots of fun here... where are the oh so mighty invaders? Surely with their uber leet invader power and extensive invader experience they could take one or both of these little regions?

Ballotonia

Nope, not even worth trying. The concept behind the warzones is neat but flawed. The antis outnumber the invaders by at least 2 to 1. As soon as the antis get their hands on the region it's a done deal that they own it. It's a straight numbers game.
The region only changes delegate once a day at a known time. To take a warzone region requires that enough invaders get in there at an exact time when the delegate will undoubtedly be awake and waiting for that exact action. Pointless, the delegate will just boot all the invaders just before the update.

Want to make the warzones interesting and actually worth a try to take? Don't make more, make the check for a new delegate every 10 minutes.

The situation you describe is the same as defenders trying to liberate a region from invader occupation. We don't do that as often as we used to, primarily because lately invaders are taking on very small sleepy regions (often not worth the effort of either invasion or liberation, IMHO). But, I've done enough liberations though, and it can be done with good timing and coordination. In these warzone it's still easier than that as you won't have to worry about the delegate setting a password!

One of my fave liberations is where the invader delegate was boasting that no defender was willing to challenge his rule (the region was very quiet), all the while we were in the last moments of planning and coordination, verifying our timing to jump in. 30 minutes later he was in the RR :D

And with sufficient experience it's really not a lot of work either. When the ACC held Avalon, the entire liberation (planning / coordination / execution) took about 15 minutes. We already knew approximately when it updated, and 15 minutes prior to that I yelled "hey folks, let's do this, who's in?" And it was done 15 minutes later.

Ballotonia
Crazy girl
20-05-2004, 08:12
hey, you forget ios, where siswai kept saying: come and kick me defenders, and he was up at update, saying he was hoping we'd come, and we still liberated that one right under his nose :twisted:

and he was pretty nice about it too ;)
Reploid Productions
20-05-2004, 09:04
*whistles and updates the first post in the thread*
Retepland
20-05-2004, 09:11
Oh my...now we have:

Warzone Sandbox
Warzone Airspace
Warzone Europe
Warzone Australia
Warzone Asia
Warzone Africa

Four of which need happy dictators...
Attitude 910
20-05-2004, 09:11
*whistles and updates the first post in the thread*


Nice.......3 more Warzone regions
Reploid Productions
20-05-2004, 09:18
NOTE: Whoever's using dinky little puppet nations to found regions like "Warzone America", please be aware that such regions may very well be ursurped by the mods for use as actual warzones!

Regions that do NOT have the Warzone warning are NOT actual warzones, and regular invasion rules apply!
Attitude 910
20-05-2004, 09:20
NOTE: Whoever's using dinky little puppet nations to found regions like "Warzone America", please be aware that such regions may very well be ursurped by the mods for use as actual warzones!

Regions that do NOT have the Warzone warning are NOT actual warzones, and regular invasion rules apply!

:shock: *someone is in trouble* :shock:
Gothic Kitty
20-05-2004, 09:39
NOTE: Whoever's using dinky little puppet nations to found regions like "Warzone America", please be aware that such regions may very well be ursurped by the mods for use as actual warzones!

Regions that do NOT have the Warzone warning are NOT actual warzones, and regular invasion rules apply!

That is me. Shall I leave the place, or shall I let my puppets die?
I thought I was smart :oops: If you promise not to tag me for a warning, you may also simply delete the nations. I don't mind.

I am really sorry. I thought it was a smart move :oops:
Reploid Productions
20-05-2004, 09:43
Eh, no warnings. No harm, no foul and all that. Just mildly irksome because even with the Warzone notice on actual warzones, people will mistake the other regions for Warzones. (And Max didn't think to code it in so players can't found regions starting with "Warzone".)

If you want, feel free to hang on to the ones you've got- if you could TG me the list of the ones you've made, I'd appreciate it.
Tresville
20-05-2004, 09:53
Faker found!!

Warzone America
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/54626/page=display_region
Ballotonia
20-05-2004, 10:00
From the list of regions: (at #13730 now)

WarZone (*)
Warzone Africa
Warzone Airspace
Warzone America (*)
Warzone Asia
Warzone Australia
Warzone Europe
Warzone Sandbox

"WarZone" has been in existence for at least 260 days.
"Warzone America" looks to be the only other one starting with "Warzone". For now.

Ballotonia
Crazy girl
20-05-2004, 10:00
yay, more warzones! :twisted:
Gothic Kitty
20-05-2004, 10:05
Eh, no warnings. No harm, no foul and all that. Just mildly irksome because even with the Warzone notice on actual warzones, people will mistake the other regions for Warzones. (And Max didn't think to code it in so players can't found regions starting with "Warzone".)

If you want, feel free to hang on to the ones you've got- if you could TG me the list of the ones you've made, I'd appreciate it.

You scared me. The last time a mod used size 9 CAPS to me, caused a forum ban. I know I am bad :oops:

I will TG you the names.
Ostendt
20-05-2004, 11:51
Warzone Sealand

(fake one)
Gothic Kitty
20-05-2004, 11:53
I still have Warzone America 8)
Crazy girl
20-05-2004, 12:04
nice, look at this:

Regional Happenings
27 minutes ago: The Mythical Mod Puppet of PacificFreedom departed this region for Warzone Europe
31 minutes ago: Regional bans expired.
2 hours ago: The Free Land of Jambudvipan Ambassador departed this region for The Pacific
2 hours ago: The Confederacy of Yuma-Mun arrived from The West Pacific.
2 hours ago: The Free Land of Jambudvipan Ambassador arrived from Buddhist Region of Jambudvipa.
3 hours ago: The Dictatorship of Usurper1 departed this region for Warzone Airspace
3 hours ago: The Dipset nation of Killa Cam departed this region for Warzone Airspace
3 hours ago: The Dominion of Three Shores departed this region for Warzone Airspace
3 hours ago: The Disputed Territories of Densville departed this region for Warzone Airspace
3 hours ago: The Democratic Republic of Brinc0ff departed this region for Warzone Airspace
Juxtapositions
20-05-2004, 12:53
The situation you describe is the same as defenders trying to liberate a region from invader occupation. We don't do that as often as we used to, primarily because lately invaders are taking on very small sleepy regions (often not worth the effort of either invasion or liberation, IMHO). But, I've done enough liberations though, and it can be done with good timing and coordination. In these warzone it's still easier than that as you won't have to worry about the delegate setting a password!

I respect your opinion but I tend to differ for three reasons. First, when invaders are defending a region from antis they don't have the luxury of booting out natives. Therefore when antis "liberate" a region they already have a base to build on and typically that base is already close in endorsements to the sitting delegate. Secondly, passwords are of no help to invaders, they must be given out and are easily obtainable. Lately my group hasn't bothered to use passwords because the current rules on invasions make them useless. (To the best of my knowledge the new rules have never been implemented). Third, the antis have what I call the "Dutch advantage", the updates happen during a time when the dutch are available to play the game en masse. Speaking for my group, trying to get a lot of people awake and active at 5:00AM to do a surgical invasion is very difficult.


And with sufficient experience it's really not a lot of work either. When the ACC held Avalon, the entire liberation (planning / coordination / execution) took about 15 minutes. We already knew approximately when it updated, and 15 minutes prior to that I yelled "hey folks, let's do this, who's in?" And it was done 15 minutes later.

How about 1 1/2 years experience. Is that enough? :wink:
BTW, You have yet to stage a successful liberation of any of our held regions (and you've tried). Not trying to rub that in but I wanted to let you know that I understand what tactics you are speaking of and also know they won't work in these warzones while a delegate is awake.

As I stated before, warzones are a neat idea but to allow unlimited ejections on a region have it update at exactly the same time every day makes it a pointless target.
Crazy girl
20-05-2004, 12:56
well, i would like to see random update times for the warzones too, now that could get interesting, and/or multiple updates, two or 3 a day..

but just for the warzones, though ;)

btw, reppy, wasn't warzone asia also a real warzone? it doesn't have the special warzone tag on it, i think..
Gothic Kitty
20-05-2004, 13:18
btw, reppy, wasn't warzone asia also a real warzone? it doesn't have the special warzone tag on it, i think..

They took my founder powers away, so they must still be working on it :?
HC Eredivisie
20-05-2004, 13:24
I guess the only rule that still aplies is no UN multing?

Yup. And we will sweep it regularly for UN Multies.

:twisted: I think i will pay a visit then
Myrth
20-05-2004, 14:43
The situation you describe is the same as defenders trying to liberate a region from invader occupation. We don't do that as often as we used to, primarily because lately invaders are taking on very small sleepy regions (often not worth the effort of either invasion or liberation, IMHO). But, I've done enough liberations though, and it can be done with good timing and coordination. In these warzone it's still easier than that as you won't have to worry about the delegate setting a password!

I respect your opinion but I tend to differ for three reasons. First, when invaders are defending a region from antis they don't have the luxury of booting out natives. Therefore when antis "liberate" a region they already have a base to build on and typically that base is already close in endorsements to the sitting delegate. Secondly, passwords are of no help to invaders, they must be given out and are easily obtainable. Lately my group hasn't bothered to use passwords because the current rules on invasions make them useless. (To the best of my knowledge the new rules have never been implemented). Third, the antis have what I call the "Dutch advantage", the updates happen during a time when the dutch are available to play the game en masse. Speaking for my group, trying to get a lot of people awake and active at 5:00AM to do a surgical invasion is very difficult.


And with sufficient experience it's really not a lot of work either. When the ACC held Avalon, the entire liberation (planning / coordination / execution) took about 15 minutes. We already knew approximately when it updated, and 15 minutes prior to that I yelled "hey folks, let's do this, who's in?" And it was done 15 minutes later.

How about 1 1/2 years experience. Is that enough? :wink:
BTW, You have yet to stage a successful liberation of any of our held regions (and you've tried). Not trying to rub that in but I wanted to let you know that I understand what tactics you are speaking of and also know they won't work in these warzones while a delegate is awake.

As I stated before, warzones are a neat idea but to allow unlimited ejections on a region have it update at exactly the same time every day makes it a pointless target.

These are the Warzones... I'm sure even the defenders will launch invasions :D
Juxtapositions
20-05-2004, 15:22
These are the Warzones... I'm sure even the defenders will launch invasions :D

I'm sure you're right. The thread started out asking invaders to start using the zones to give them a workout I thought it was only polite to express my groups concerns over the current structure of the warzones and why we wouldn't be particpating at this time.
Have fun guys! :D
Reploid Productions
20-05-2004, 19:02
btw, reppy, wasn't warzone asia also a real warzone? it doesn't have the special warzone tag on it, i think..

They took my founder powers away, so they must still be working on it :?

Whoops, I typoed the setting. Fixed now!
Defaultia
21-05-2004, 11:30
If I ever become a dictator in a Warzone, prepare for at least the following rules, based off of Retepland's rules:

1. If you do not put a reference to Homestar Runner at the end of all of your Regional HQ messages, you are sent to the moral lepers corner.
2. If you say anything bad about Homestar Runner, you're gone.
3. If I don't like your motto, you're gone.
4. If I don't like you, you're gone.
5. Rules number 2 and 3 are repealed for anyone who endorses me.

:twisted:

and Equilism isn't a bunch of crazy dictators... yet... :-P

We're in ADN, those places.
Spoffin
22-05-2004, 00:24
Third, the antis have what I call the "Dutch advantage", the updates happen during a time when the dutch are available to play the game en masse. Speaking for my group, trying to get a lot of people awake and active at 5:00AM to do a surgical invasion is very difficult. "Dutch Advantage", I hadn't heard that phrase before.
Crazy girl
22-05-2004, 07:52
dutch advantage....i like that one
update starts about 10 am local time here :twisted:
Gothic Kitty
22-05-2004, 09:51
dutch advantage....i like that one
update starts about 10 am local time here :twisted:

The Dutch are the co0lest players in this game 8)
10am is a nice time to rule the world :twisted:
Crazy girl
22-05-2004, 15:33
ya know....
i hope warzones don't die when empty..

Warzone Asia
World Factbook Entry: The Warzone 'beta' is expanding! Please go to http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146259 for more information! --- Taken By Ceaser Caslte, This Region Will No Longer Be A Warzone, Any UN Nations Found With Endorsements Will be Ejected.

Warzone Asia is a Warzone! The UN Delegate may eject nations as it pleases, but bans are temporary. The region cannot be password-protected and has no Founder.

UN Delegate: None.

Longest-serving Delegate: The Commanding Presence of Jxcobra1 (1 day)

Warzone Asia is an empty wasteland, devoid of nations. [List all nations]

Like what you see? Move Warzone Asia to Warzone Asia today!


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Today's United Nations Report
The Most Politically Apathetic Citizens in Warzone Asia
These results were determined by seeing how many citizens of each nation answered a recent UN survey on the local political situation by ticking the "Don't Give a Damn" box.

# Nation UN Category Motto
1. The Commanding Presence of Jxcobra1 Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Passion is the enemy of efficiency."
2. The Fiefdom of The Pendragons Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "When in doubt, look to the books"
3. The Emirate of Petroliastan Father Knows Best State "If you've got the Behruls, we've got the barrells."
4. The Republic of Shrewd New York Times Democracy "Nothing"
5. The Rogue Nation of RS-name-Dadaddy Compulsory Consumerist State "KOTS is the best RS clan!"
6. The Caliphate of Matthar Iron Fist Consumerists "Stepping out of line, means falling off"
7. The Dipset nation of Killa Cam Corrupt Dictatorship "Where I'm from we let the cartridge blast!!"
8. The Republic of Warzone Asia Democratic Socialists "Current Delegate: none"
9. The Kingdom of Just Testing Corporate Police State "I Pity the Fool"
10. The Allied States of Angmar and Carlopia Father Knows Best State "Allied in Politics, Rivals in War"

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Regional Happenings
1 minute ago: The Commanding Presence of Jxcobra1 departed this region for Ceaser Caslte
1 minute ago: The Fiefdom of The Pendragons departed this region for The Rejected Realms
1 minute ago: The Commanding Presence of Jxcobra1 ejected The Fiefdom of The Pendragons from the region.
2 minutes ago: The Rogue Nation of RS-name-Dadaddy departed this region for The Rejected Realms
2 minutes ago: The Commanding Presence of Jxcobra1 ejected The Rogue Nation of RS-name-Dadaddy from the region.
2 minutes ago: The Allied States of Angmar and Carlopia departed this region for The Rejected Realms
2 minutes ago: The Commanding Presence of Jxcobra1 ejected The Allied States of Angmar and Carlopia from the region.
2 minutes ago: The Kingdom of Just Testing departed this region for The Rejected Realms
2 minutes ago: The Commanding Presence of Jxcobra1 ejected The Kingdom of Just Testing from the region.
2 minutes ago: The Confederacy of Yuma-Mun departed this region for The Rejected Realms

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Warzone Asia Civil Headquarters
Messages from regional members are co-ordinated here.

Lodged From Message
2 days ago The Walloon of Ostendt wel thats easy....
2 days ago The Republic of Shrewd That may be so, but at least I intend to stay here more than a couple of seconds.
2 days ago The Free Land of Jambudvipan Ambassador

When a nation follows the Way,
Horses bear manure through its fields;
When a nation ignores the Way,
Horses bear soldiers through its streets.

There is no greater mistake than following desire;
There is no greater disaster than forgetting contentment;
There is no greater sickness than seeking attainment;
But one who is content to satisfy his needs
Finds that contentment endures.

All are welcome to join the region
“BUDDHIST REGION OF JAMBUDVIPA”

Please visit, please join.

Peace to all sentient beings,
The Free Land of Jambudvipan Ambassador


2 days ago The Republic of Shrewd Please tell me you aren't allowed to advertise in the warzones. We get enough of than in the RR and Pacifics.
1 day ago The Welsh Aristocracy of Emperor Matthuis Anbody want to endorse me, i'll endorse them back.
1 day ago The People's Republic of South Erie If my UN counterpart The Isle of Orleans was here, he would endorse Emperor Matthuis

Once Orleans has accomplished his fight against the Nazis (re: Imperial Europe, NAZI EUROPE, SS NAZI EUROPE, et al) he and his many UN allies will be here or anywhere for comrade Matthuis

We keep track of alliances -- Please endorse Emperor Matthuis now!
1 day ago The People's Republic of South Erie By the way, Orleans wants the heretofore mentioned regions to become what Neo Nazi Europe has become: "An empty wasteland devoid of nations"
1 day ago The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie Nolaerie here.
All this talk about endorsing Emperor Matthuis makes me : o

He was a RUTHLESS contender in NE even to his friends. what do you mean Southie -- Why are you being so kiss up to him?
1 day ago The Republic of Shrewd Got tired of getting kicked by Sky Skimmer and decided to find an easier target?;)

Sorry, couldn't resist.:D
13 hours ago The Dominion of Chessalavakia Glad somone that at least is a half invader got one if ya know what I mean :)

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Defaultia
22-05-2004, 15:34
I am now the leader of Warzone Airspace! Retepland's rule shall soon seem like a free paradise! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Rules:

1) From now on, all messages in the Regional HQ must end with a Homestar Runner reference or you will be sent to the Moral Lepers corner.
2) If you say that "Homestar Runner sucks" or anything along those lines, you are GONE.
3) You can endorse who you want, but if you don't endorse me, you are GONE.
4) If your nation name is related to Homestar Runner, you are immediately sent to the Priveleged Corner.
5) If there is a 'G' in your name and it has nothing to do with Linux or open source, then you are GONE.
6) Say anything bad about me, your former dictator Retepland, or anyone in the Priveleged Corner, you are GONE.
7) If you are well-connected enough with me, these laws(except maybe #4) don't apply to you.

And yeah Gothic Kitty, the dutch are kewl players(most of the equilism council is made of dutchies), but North Carolinians are even kewler! :-P

Guess where I'm from.
Defaultia
22-05-2004, 17:16
40th execution! WOOHOO!
Anbar
22-05-2004, 22:27
Isn't it interesting that the moment all these upstanding moral self-proclaimed "defenders" get the green light to grief, that they immediately go all Lord of the Flies?

I suppose so long as they con continue to see themselves as "the good guys," they can indulge all those horrible invader urges they've been placating by acting as "defenders."

Now paging Dr. Zimbardo... :lol:
Anbar
22-05-2004, 22:36
Eh, no warnings. No harm, no foul and all that. Just mildly irksome because even with the Warzone notice on actual warzones, people will mistake the other regions for Warzones. (And Max didn't think to code it in so players can't found regions starting with "Warzone".)

If you want, feel free to hang on to the ones you've got- if you could TG me the list of the ones you've made, I'd appreciate it.

Actually, I just founded Warzone Antarctica for my own amusement, with the plan to run it as a warzone from the Founder controls. Since I just needed a region for my newest puppet, I really don't care what happens to it.
Paapst
22-05-2004, 23:23
warzone australia is also empty at this moment.
Defaultia
22-05-2004, 23:29
Isn't it interesting that the moment all these upstanding moral self-proclaimed "defenders" get the green light to grief, that they immediately go all Lord of the Flies?

I suppose so long as they con continue to see themselves as "the good guys," they can indulge all those horrible invader urges they've been placating by acting as "defenders."
I guess so, we have a moral compass, which we can throw away in the warzones.

Try to defy my rule, feel the flouride sting of my own personal Homestarmy!
Defaultia
22-05-2004, 23:40
Isn't it interesting that the moment all these upstanding moral self-proclaimed "defenders" get the green light to grief, that they immediately go all Lord of the Flies?

I suppose so long as they con continue to see themselves as "the good guys," they can indulge all those horrible invader urges they've been placating by acting as "defenders."
I guess so, we have a moral compass, which we can throw away in the warzones.

Try to defy my rule, feel the flouride sting of my own personal Homestarmy!
Spoffin
22-05-2004, 23:41
Do the Warzones die if there aren't any nations in them?
Myrth
22-05-2004, 23:46
Do the Warzones die if there aren't any nations in them?

No. They're essentially the same as the Pacifics and the RR.
MakaLakaShiaka
23-05-2004, 04:27
Guess who owns Warzone Africa.

That's right, I DO! Bwahahaha! [manical laughter ad nuseum]

I'm a bit suprised myself, but apprently my l33tz0rz h4z0rz skillz has scared off even the great Spoffin himself! Perhaps the denizens of the NS know who I really am.....

FEAR MY WRATH YOU PUNY MORTALS!
Emperor Matthuis
23-05-2004, 10:59
Guess who owns Warzone Africa.

That's right, I DO! Bwahahaha! [manical laughter ad nuseum]

I'm a bit suprised myself, but apprently my l33tz0rz h4z0rz skillz has scared off even the great Spoffin himself! Perhaps the denizens of the NS know who I really am.....

FEAR MY WRATH YOU PUNY MORTALS!


Dude you have no endorsements.

You won't survive the U.N update unless you get some.
Incorporated Aartrijke
23-05-2004, 14:52
Woooooooh! I'm the delegate of Warzone Europe!


Free beer for all, even those that are younger than 16!

You shall not be kicked, unless you decide to not endorse me!
Defaultia
23-05-2004, 23:38
New law in Warzone Airspace(which is an analytical continuation of Equilism now :-P)

I can kick whoever I want to.
Elliston
23-05-2004, 23:44
Neo England
24-05-2004, 19:40
As we cant get punished for spamming the warzone regions, can we advertise our regions there?
Defaultia
24-05-2004, 21:01
If you spam Warzone Airspace, you *will* be punished by exile.
Sky Skimmer
26-05-2004, 11:38
i got my sandbox back! :twisted:

Seconds ago: The Most Glorious Modified Puppet Nation of Glaaki departed this region for The Rejected Realms
Seconds ago: The Pegasus of Sky Skimmer ejected The Most Glorious Modified Puppet Nation of Glaaki from the region.


now do these days get added by my total?

Longest-serving Delegate: The Pegasus of Sky Skimmer (4 days)



sorry hack, couldn't resist
Gothic Kitty
26-05-2004, 14:07
As we cant get punished for spamming the warzone regions, can we advertise our regions there?

The moderators are holding talks about that one. Personally I say it should not be allowed. It has no use there, and it is against the rules of common courtesy. It is not a feeder region.
Neo England
26-05-2004, 18:46
See thats what I thought, but there wasnt anything really saying that recruiting spam isnt allowed.
Gothic Kitty
26-05-2004, 19:02
See thats what I thought, but there wasnt anything really saying that recruiting spam isnt allowed.

Well, they didn't say that you may hack moderator's accounts, or flame either. Catch my drift?
Neo England
26-05-2004, 19:20
Neo England
26-05-2004, 21:21
ok I think you misunderstood me,

let me re-phrase it

they didnt specify what spam exactly was and wasnt allowed.
Spoffin
02-06-2004, 14:43
Spoffin is now the longest serving delegate of any of the Warzones, and the taking of Warzone Sandbox by my ally Litenburg means that the goal of uniting all warzones under one strong leadership is well on its way.
Crazy girl
02-06-2004, 14:57
bad spoffy, taking my sandbox while i'm on vacation..


but i'm back now :twisted:
Spoffin
02-06-2004, 16:31
bad spoffy, taking my sandbox while i'm on vacation..


but i'm back now :twisted:Aw, I'm sorry about that, that was very rude of me. Sandbox is ours now, but if you want to take another warzone and ally yourself with us, that'd be fine.
Crazy girl
02-06-2004, 17:50
no deal, spoffo, i want my sandbox but no worries, it'll be mine again, as soon as i'm bored one morning and want it back ;) :twisted:
Defaultia
05-06-2004, 15:36
no deal, spoffo, i want my sandbox but no worries, it'll be mine again, as soon as i'm bored one morning and want it back ;) :twisted:

I once had Warzone Airspace... good times... ne1 wanna help me relive it? :P
UNIverseVERSE
05-06-2004, 20:49
ok i will :D
Nothingg
07-06-2004, 05:49
Nothing to see here. Please move along.