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The Young World

World Factbook Entry: The Young World founded on 12/31/03 and liberated on 5/13/04 by Georghiou and Don Julio. I want to create a vibrant region again once we are secure from predators. Please join our new government at http://theyoungworld.proboards26.com. Everyone is welcome! Long live the New Young World!

UN Delegate: The Free Land of Georghiou.

Founder: Corinthe

The Young World contains 86 nations. [List all nations]

Like what you see? Move Goobergunchia to The Young World today!
Today's United Nations Report
The Most Corrupt Governments in The Young World

UN officials visited a range of government departments and recorded how frequently bribes were required to complete simple administrative requests.
# Nation UN Category Motto
1. The Rogue Nation of Apocalypse Dawn Compulsory Consumerist State "1 Death=Tragedy; 1 million Deaths=Statistic"
2. The Oppressed Peoples of Talibastan Corporate Police State "That's Right, We Have Our Own Country Now."
3. The Theocracy of Apathetic Pacifism Father Knows Best State "Who needs a ruler when you've got God?...Us, apparently"
4. The Free Land of Kyuushuu Father Knows Best State "You must fight for what you believe in"
5. The Dictatorship of Siobhany Corporate Police State "All Hail The Evil Satchel!!!"
6. The Grand Duchy of FunkyAssistan Compulsory Consumerist State "I funk, therefore I be."
7. The Rogue Nation of Banias Compulsory Consumerist State "It is a good day to die, but the day is not yet over."
8. The Dictatorship of Ibsterstan Father Knows Best State "You'd better be on my side. "
9. The Kingdom of Endymion Father Knows Best State "The web site you seek cant be found but more exist."
10. The Armed Republic of Rab-ba Iron Fist Consumerists "Our army uniforms are made by Dolce & Gabbana!"
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Regional Happenings

* Seconds ago: The Free Land of Georghiou removed The Republic of Tamesidia from the regional ban list.
* 1 minute ago: The Free Land of Georghiou removed The Grand Duchy of Omnivorous Ants from the regional ban list.
* 1 minute ago: The Free Land of Georghiou removed The Protectorate of Elendra from the regional ban list.
* 1 minute ago: The Free Land of Georghiou removed The Republic of Binkus Romanus from the regional ban list.
* 1 minute ago: The Republic of Tamesidia departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 1 minute ago: The Free Land of Georghiou ejected The Republic of Tamesidia from the region.
* 1 minute ago: The Grand Duchy of Omnivorous Ants departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 1 minute ago: The Free Land of Georghiou ejected The Grand Duchy of Omnivorous Ants from the region.
* 2 minutes ago: The Protectorate of Elendra departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 2 minutes ago: The Free Land of Georghiou ejected The Protectorate of Elendra from the region.

The Young World Civil Headquarters

Messages from regional members are co-ordinated here.
Lodged From Message
59 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Well the state of Elendrais is still here. So that must mean Elen has got an exemption from Georghiou. (Is Georghiou going soft?)
55 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Oh yeah my best spot yet… 50 (that beats 40 other nations)
14 minutes ago The Free Land of Georghiou I am gathering intelligence. I will act soon.
13 minutes ago The Chillin' in The Young World of Don Julio Soft...Nah...Probably hungover from being drunk with power....lol

"The Free Land of Georghiou Pwns All TYW Nation"....lol
6 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin theyoungworld.proboards26.com
5 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin theyoungworld.proboards26.com
5 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin theyoungworld.proboards26.com
5 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Do it!
4 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Do it!
4 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Do it!

I have filed a Getting Help report but am requesting confirmation because these scroll off quickly.

here's what i see:

The Young World
World Factbook Entry: The Young World founded on 12/31/03 and liberated on 5/13/04 by Georghiou and Don Julio. I want to create a vibrant region again once we are secure from predators. Please join our new government at http://theyoungworld.proboards26.com. Everyone is welcome! Long live the New Young World!

UN Delegate: The Free Land of Georghiou.

Founder: Corinthe

The Young World contains 86 nations. [List all nations]


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Today's United Nations Report
The Most Corrupt Governments in The Young World
UN officials visited a range of government departments and recorded how frequently bribes were required to complete simple administrative requests.

# Nation UN Category Motto
1. The Rogue Nation of Apocalypse Dawn Compulsory Consumerist State "1 Death=Tragedy; 1 million Deaths=Statistic"
2. The Oppressed Peoples of Talibastan Corporate Police State "That's Right, We Have Our Own Country Now."
3. The Theocracy of Apathetic Pacifism Father Knows Best State "Who needs a ruler when you've got God?...Us, apparently"
4. The Free Land of Kyuushuu Father Knows Best State "You must fight for what you believe in"
5. The Dictatorship of Siobhany Corporate Police State "All Hail The Evil Satchel!!!"
6. The Grand Duchy of FunkyAssistan Compulsory Consumerist State "I funk, therefore I be."
7. The Rogue Nation of Banias Compulsory Consumerist State "It is a good day to die, but the day is not yet over."
8. The Dictatorship of Ibsterstan Father Knows Best State "You'd better be on my side. "
9. The Kingdom of Endymion Father Knows Best State "The web site you seek cant be found but more exist."
10. The Armed Republic of Rab-ba Iron Fist Consumerists "Our army uniforms are made by Dolce & Gabbana!"

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Regional Happenings
18 minutes ago: The Free Land of Georghiou removed The Republic of Tamesidia from the regional ban list.
18 minutes ago: The Free Land of Georghiou removed The Grand Duchy of Omnivorous Ants from the regional ban list.
18 minutes ago: The Free Land of Georghiou removed The Protectorate of Elendra from the regional ban list.
18 minutes ago: The Free Land of Georghiou removed The Republic of Binkus Romanus from the regional ban list.
18 minutes ago: The Republic of Tamesidia departed this region for The Rejected Realms
18 minutes ago: The Free Land of Georghiou ejected The Republic of Tamesidia from the region.
19 minutes ago: The Grand Duchy of Omnivorous Ants departed this region for The Rejected Realms
19 minutes ago: The Free Land of Georghiou ejected The Grand Duchy of Omnivorous Ants from the region.
19 minutes ago: The Protectorate of Elendra departed this region for The Rejected Realms
19 minutes ago: The Free Land of Georghiou ejected The Protectorate of Elendra from the region.

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The Young World Civil Headquarters
Messages from regional members are co-ordinated here.

Lodged From Message
72 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Oh yeah my best spot yet… 50 (that beats 40 other nations)
31 minutes ago The Free Land of Georghiou I am gathering intelligence. I will act soon.
31 minutes ago The Chillin' in The Young World of Don Julio Soft...Nah...Probably hungover from being drunk with power....lol

"The Free Land of Georghiou Pwns All TYW Nation"....lol
23 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin theyoungworld.proboards26.com
23 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin theyoungworld.proboards26.com
22 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin theyoungworld.proboards26.com
22 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Do it!
21 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Do it!
21 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Do it!
4 minutes ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin There’s something wrong here...
The Young World contains 86 nations.
theyoungworld.proboards26.com/ contains 9 nations.
theyoungworld.proboards26.com/ has 55 total Posts.
Of the 55 posts 46 are from Georghiou and me...

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I already filed a complaint about spamming a few days ago. It is repeating. Every time when they eject a few natives, they spam the regional happenings. *sigh*

'Tis there alright.

Damn server!!! Well now that I lost my first reply let my keep it short this time. You guys just got off lucky :)

Firstly I don't usually have time to post because of the server ( which I hold responsible for me losing my original reply and Wriggles supposed spam). The only reason I am bothering with a response at all is because I am really tired of the whining.

The Young World Regional Civic HQ has not been spammed....it is obviously a problem caused by a server delay and a trigger finger.

Secondly, as neither, Goobergunchia, Crazy girl, Gothic Kitty or Myrth are members of the said region, nor to my memory have they ever been members, I find it hard to see why they have any say in anything to do with the Region at all.

Thirdly, and I may be overstepping my bounds here Myrth, but since you are a game Moderator, I would expect you to conduct yourself with the same type of unbiased impartiality that any other form of judge would be held to. You are currently a registered member of The YoungWorld offsite forum (http://mig81.com/carinthe/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=15). Being such,you are also no doubt aware of the current animosities between members of The Young World and members of The YoungWorld (note the space between Young and World). By you contributing to this thread, I believe that you may be in a conflict of interest, and further, by supporting the aforementioned accusations of spamming, you may in fact be complicit in biased judgement. I have never had a direct conflict with a Moderator of NationStates, nor do I wish to, however your actions in this matter have been duly noted.

Thank You for Your consideration,

Don Julio

Myrth
Forum Moderator


Founded: 31 Dec 2002
Posts: 3565

I was asked to verify the existance of the spam. I don't remember determining whether the spam was intentional or accidental.

I was asked to verify the existance of the spam. I don't remember determining whether the spam was intentional or accidental.

Thank you for the clarification. :) I am sure you will be a Game Moderator, and not just a moderator for the game soon enough :wink:

Don Julio

and i simply don't have a life, so i just copy paste stuff to here..

The Young World Civil Headquarters
Messages from regional members are co-ordinated here.

Lodged From Message
10 hours ago The Chillin' in The Young World of Don Julio BTW Wriggles, what Province did you move to?
9 hours ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Move to Alberta I think not. As long as Philadelphia doesn’t win I’m happy.
9 hours ago The Chillin' in The Young World of Don Julio I was talking bout your flag...lol BTW did you get one of these TG's:

The Queendom of Corinthes Phoenix
Received: 3 days ago
Please withdraw your endorsement from Georghiou. He is planning to take over the region. We held elections, and he has lost. Please give your endorsement to Cassandrah. She has won the election. Please do the honorable thing.

~Corinthe's Phoenix

Because I was thinking that maybe that's why Georghiou's being so agressive with protecting the region. Who is this Queendom of Corinthes Phoenix? Does anyone know? Is she some sort of trouble maker planning an invasion or something?
8 hours ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Hahaha my minds always-on hockey. My flag is actually Canada’s Red Ensign (unofficial I think) from 1907.

No I never got one of those. Last time I looked I recall her being the founder or UN Delegate of The YoungWorld
8 hours ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Its really strange though because sometimes my screen shows the new flag or my old one.
(Right now it’s my old BC flag)
8 hours ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin I just did some snooping and I found this...
http://theyoungworld.dumbdonkey.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4
8 hours ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin and I also found this...
http://theyoungworld.dumbdonkey.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=5
8 hours ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin and...
http://theyoungworld.dumbdonkey.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7
8 hours ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Boredom sure dose make trivial things exciting.
7 hours ago The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin Hey I didn’t know you were from Vancouver Julio.

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Secondly, as neither, Goobergunchia, Crazy girl, Gothic Kitty or Myrth are members of the said region, nor to my memory have they ever been members, I find it hard to see why they have any say in anything to do with the Region at all.


Did you know I have a seven inch scar running down the middle of my chest?

Um, Hack, what does that have to do with this complaint?

It's equally irrelevant. The membership or nonmembership of the above nations in The Young World has no bearing on the filing of a spamming complaint. If I witness a bank being robbed and call the police, will they tell me to mind my own business as my money is stored in a different bank? No.

Now, I'm willing to give you the benifit of the doubt that said spam was unitentional, given the temporal proximity of the posts, and the timestamp on the original post. However, don't even think for a second that you gain some brand of immunity because the complaintants don't reside in the region in question.

Secondly, as neither, Goobergunchia, Crazy girl, Gothic Kitty or Myrth are members of the said region, nor to my memory have they ever been members, I find it hard to see why they have any say in anything to do with the Region at all.



Just call me paranoid, but seen Georghiou's previous ejections, and the fact that you are obviously the one pulling the strings, do you think that it is smart for any native to protest here in the open? I am sure that you'll ask Georghiou to eject any native that complains here. Just like hostages are in no position to complain openly about their positions either. This is not my first day in the game. :wink:

Thank you for the clarification of the spamming rules as they relate to the game Hack. No wonder you have a heart condition...lol. All these Nations minding everybody's business :).

As for your bait Eternity-X, it's not even worth the response I'm giving it now.

Thank You for Your consideration,

Don Julio

Hmmm...Not meaning to add ulcers to your bypass operation Hack, but I am totally confused regarding this issue. Let me start by saying that I understand your analogy regarding reports of spam by non-regional members:

If I witness a bank being robbed and call the police, will they tell me to mind my own business as my money is stored in a different bank? No.

I do not agree with the analogy, but that's fine, I get the picture. When I have time I'll go a' roaming through other Regional HQ's with the hopes of catching a Nation violating the rules so I can do my duty as a watchful Nation and report such heinous infractions with the intention of having said Nations deleted. After all I guess we all have a job to do. ;)

I would like to present a different analogy:

I witness a man running away from a bank with what appears to be a bag of money, I call th police who stop the man for questioning. The Bank Manager intervenes and says the man made a withdrawal, and had to run to catch a flight. At that point everything is understood, no harm no foul. Do you get my drift?

Now the way it appears to me is this: Certain Nations are upset with the happenings in The Young World, and appear to be stopping at nothing to try and get certain Nations within The Young World deleted. This topic has been touched on to a small degree by Reploid Productions (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145172&highlight=).

The problem that I am having with the spamming issue is that you said :

Now, I'm willing to give you the benifit of the doubt that said spam was unitentional, given the temporal proximity of the posts, and the timestamp on the original post.

My understanding of the phrase "benifit of the doubt" is that considering the evidence which you described yourself, this "spam" would not be considered an offence as it was unintentional. With that being said, I am puzzled as to why Uncle Wriggles Cabin received this TG.

From Message
The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin
Received: 107 minutes ago

NationStates Moderators
Received: 1 day ago
"You have been reported for spamming the Regional Boards of The Young World. Continuing to do this will result in deletion."

Now if it was indeed an accidental spam, to which you are giving it the benifit of the doubt, then why was the warning issued? Let me ask the question in another way. If the spam was unintentional and due primarily to a slow server, and if the server continues to be a problem, and if a Nation is given a warning for unintentional spamming due to a slow server, and if a Nation after receiving a warning of this type is in danger of being deleted, then isn't that the same thing as saying the spam was intentional? To my eyes the penalty seems the same whether intentional or unintentional. This is the cause of my confusion.

Now I am going to present what I would consider to be spam (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103924&start=100). This is undoubtedly spam. This is intentional. This resulted in an NS Forum ban, and deletion of some puppets although the identity of the culprit was and still is known. Now I suppose that it would be easy enough to circumvent the ban by using another computer, but the fact of the matter is that the person who was forum banned is still making posts in the forum, and I believe in this thread. I will not pursue the issue here however because I do not want to be accused of highjacking.

I am not trying to make your job difficult Hack, nor as I explained in a TG to Myrth, are my comments made as attack towards either of you, however I cannot help but feel that there may be some motive behind this warning that was issued. Now I do not want to suggest that there may be collusion involved here, but it does seem rather odd to be issuing a warning after your above comments were made. I would prefer to look at this as perhaps some sort of mistake. I realize that as Mods, you sometimes have a thankless jobs however I would greatly appreciate further clarification of this issue.

Thank You for Your consideration,

Don Julio

On an accusation of spam, is intent considered? What the Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin did might technically be spam, but I don't think it had a malicious intent. Does it matter?

Spam/SPAM: Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that clog the server. This includes posting lots of smilies which is known as Smilie Spam. Also akin to spamming is Post-whoring which is when a player posts anything just to increase the postcount.

I said "benifit of the doubt" because there was ample evidence of spam (several messages in a row). Now, I had no way of telling if the messages were done of purpose, or if they were because of server nastiness.

In regards to the telegram, I didn't send it. Likely, another mod missed this thread. I'll make sure there's no warning tags on Uncle Wiggles.

Is there anything other than a Getting Help form and informing your delegate that you can do to stop spam when you're not a delegate?

WOW!
*Ogles in wonder* :shock: :shock: :shock:

All this for little ol me. I’m not sure if I should be humbled, frightened, or exasperated.
If you look around on this forum you will see examples of duplicate posts. Which have been excused by the mods as unintentional. (I quick thanks to Myrth whom did not delete me) I however am not surprised that I have been targeted. For with the political turmoil that happened in TYW it is certain that enemies have been made. And thus when somebody makes a mistake these people send out all their “dogs that shoot bees when they bark” and of course their “sharks with lasers” at him. Luckily I had the power of bulging innocent eyes :shock: to defend this attack.

Well, it happens more frequently in the forums than on the game itself.

What happens more frequently on the forum than the game itself?
Spam? Double posting by accident?

From Message
The Disputed Rube Territory of Uncle Wriggles Cabin
Received: 107 minutes ago

NationStates Moderators
Received: 1 day ago
"You have been reported for spamming the Regional Boards of The Young World. Continuing to do this will result in deletion."


In regards to the telegram, I didn't send it. Likely, another mod missed this thread. I'll make sure there's no warning tags on Uncle Wiggles.

Thank you for your patience and understanding regarding this issue. I hope my arguments and support did not cause any offence to Myrth or Yourself Hack.

Thank You for Your consideration,

Don Julio

Regarding :


If you look around on this forum you will see examples of duplicate posts.

and

Well, it happens more frequently in the forums than on the game itself.

I have found that three of my posting in this thread alone have resulted in duplications, and a fourth I lost entirely :(. The main difference between the forum and Civic HQ is that in the forum one has the advantage of reviewing the post and then deleting the duplicate. This is not an option in the Civic HQ.

I have noticed that there is a safeguard against spamming that comes up if too many messages are posted too close in time, however I believe that it is ineffective in cases where a Nation may be logged on multiple times. I myself do this sometimes when I want to look at my Nation and maybe another region without having the loading delays inherent to the server.

D.J.