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due to the few circumstances i have been involved in when it comes to mod punishment, i'd like to put forwad the question that; is there a way for us nations who play NS for the invading to find out from mods if what we are planning to do could possibly be determined delete-worthy without announcing our plans ot the entire NS world by posting here (raiders must be covert)?

i mean, there are invaders who grief, break the rules, no doubt.. but then their are nations like myself and some of the groups i'm involved with who do try very hard to follow the rules that are posted, but it is difficult to do this when so much is left upto discretion, and i know that is just the way it is, and we invaders have to deal with that, but is there any way to get a mods opinion in a timely manner if we wish to do something not clearly stated anywhere without blowing our cover?

right now it doesnt seem so, which is why i think a lot of players like myself who play with no intent of breaking the rules and do research just to make sure they don't, still end up deleted. it is an incredible disadvantage for raiders to have have to clear everything with the mods before we do it, but it seems to be the only way to avoid deletion, especially when we have to continually come up with new strategies while defenders just have to move and endorse.

i'd like to hear anyones opinion on this, especially those who invade and the mods of course ;)

ill be back to reply to ya'lls replys incase i was unclear about anything or misunderstood.

Have you check out this thread?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38763

Without checking the thread I would guess telegram, but be sure not to tg a mod that's a defender.

We strongly encourage invaders who are uncertain the legality of a particular plan to telegram one of the mods to make sure what they plan on is within the rules. Such TGs are kept private, and the mods will not notify the intended target or otherwise share the information.

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Without checking the thread I would guess telegram, but be sure not to tg a mod that's a defender.

Like Tactical Grace :evil:

Like Hack and and coagitation.

Is there any invader or former invader mods :?:

I have heard there is/was one, though I know not who.

Myrth and Tactical Grace

TRICKERY! They are probably the most hardcore defenders of the bunch.

TRICKERY! They are probably the most hardcore defenders of the bunch.

I got to agree with that

I knew that Steph and TG were invaders at one time, but I had thought that they had both moved onto simply defending for a long time now.

Hack just seems like the invading type to me though. And I'm sorry Mryth, but I just recently began tracking your movements, so I don't know your past. Would like to though.

Hack is definitally against the DEN I know that, I would say hes a defender though.

TRICKERY! They are probably the most hardcore defenders of the bunch.

Myrth has done invasions before. Of course, he's been settled in Europe for months now.

While I do have a UN nation, it's been in the same region since October or so, and is only logged into about once a week. I was never interested in the invading game, I'm a role-player, and only pay attention to them when they cross the line into griefing.

And, of course, as far as I'm concerned, the deference between invaders and defenders is academic at best. The biggest difference I've ever really seen is that I don't believe I've ever gotten a griefing report from an invader. And that invaders seem to be far more hostile towards the mods.

But, still... they're both non-natives, so they're the same in my eyes.

I have found, as long as one follows the rules, the moderators are your friends! 8)

While the moderators certainly are playful as other non-Mods, what RP says is true.



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Disclosure though might make it hard for your wouldbe allies to be deviant. That's good for the whole of NS though.

Well, actually, some invaders are natives right now, I can only hope we will get to file some griefing reports.

Well, actually, some invaders are natives right now, I can only hope we will get to file some griefing reports.

Most griefing reports come from nations in the Rejected Realms who witness griefing effects from regions they aren't in. You don't have to be a native to file a report, you just need to see it happen.

err I was referencing to the event that you most likely know about.

hmm im considering bringing back my NS MODS SUCK forums....

I knew that Steph and TG were invaders at one time, but I had thought that they had both moved onto simply defending for a long time now.

Not sure what you think you know.. but I've never been an invader. I started on NS in Liberal Paradise, was voted in as delegate and went to the UN forums. I then invited Wolfish to LP.. we got to know each other and we co-founded RPU.. those are the only two regions I've ever been in. I have skipped over to other regions to post a message on a HQ board... but my beginings on NS were in the UN.. I have no idea what you're talking about. I've never even been involved in an invasion. :shock:

I knew that Steph and TG were invaders at one time, but I had thought that they had both moved onto simply defending for a long time now.

Not sure what you think you know.. but I've never been an invader. I started on NS in Liberal Paradise, was voted in as delegate and went to the UN forums. I then invited Wolfish to LP.. we got to know each other and we co-founded RPU.. those are the only two regions I've ever been in. I have skipped over to other regions to post a message on a HQ board... but my beginings on NS were in the UN.. I have no idea what you're talking about. I've never even been involved in an invasion. :shock:

whisper, whisper

TRICKERY! They are probably the most hardcore defenders of the bunch.

Myrth has done invasions before. Of course, he's been settled in Europe for months now.

While I do have a UN nation, it's been in the same region since October or so, and is only logged into about once a week. I was never interested in the invading game, I'm a role-player, and only pay attention to them when they cross the line into griefing.

And, of course, as far as I'm concerned, the deference between invaders and defenders is academic at best. The biggest difference I've ever really seen is that I don't believe I've ever gotten a griefing report from an invader. And that invaders seem to be far more hostile towards the mods.

But, still... they're both non-natives, so they're the same in my eyes.

Actually, I've never been in any other region for more than a day :wink:

Back in the day I used to launch counter-invasions against the Atlantic Alliance... that was it though.

hmm im considering bringing back my NS MODS SUCK forums....

You're a poor, laughable, little man, aren't you. Proletariat Rabble-Rouser. Back into the mines with you!

Didn't Violet set up rules for invaders yet? And weren't these forums meant to have been moved a month ago?

hiya roania, nice to see you hanging around here again ;)

the move got delayed, it's all in the news section, we'll have to wait longer till we get a forum we can actually post on without worrying about it not coming through or posting 15 times..

hiya roania, nice to see you hanging around here again ;)

the move got delayed, it's all in the news section, we'll have to wait longer till we get a forum we can actually post on without worrying about it not coming through or posting 15 times..

Right. And we all know whose fault that is... the proletariat scum! They have interfered with our server exchange, with their support of the Communist phpBB servers! Remember, phpBB stands for: Proletariat Harmful Practices against their Biggers and Betters!

We must form a counter-revolution!

Oh, and one more thing... *points to the top of the forum* In case it hasn't already been mentioned, the prototype invasion rules are up there.

Right. And we all know whose fault that is... the proletariat scum! They have interfered with our server exchange, with their support of the Communist phpBB servers! Remember, phpBB stands for: Proletariat Harmful Practices against their Biggers and Betters!

We must form a counter-revolution!

he he, not getting into that one.. ;)

Oh, and one more thing... *points to the top of the forum* In case it hasn't already been mentioned, the prototype invasion rules are up there.

yep, saw those, interesting discussion there ;)

Like Hack and and coagitation.

I've never been involved in any invasion operations, so I'd like to know how you managed to come to this conclusion.

To reiterate what Reploid said, we can advise on whether or not your plan is legal before you execute your plan. Your plan will not be divulged to anyone outside the Mod Squad.

We won't even tell anybody that you came to us asking questions. :wink:

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Like Hack and and coagitation.

I've never been involved in any invasion operations, so I'd like to know how you managed to come to this conclusion.

To reiterate what Reploid said, we can advise on whether or not your plan is legal before you execute your plan. Your plan will not be divulged to anyone outside the Mod Squad.

We won't even tell anybody that you came to us asking questions. :wink:

--The Modified Democratic States of CogitationWhat if we're trying to invade a mod's region? :P

Not to redirect the conversation, but I was sure that you had invaded at one time or another, Steph. At least, I thought it was you and TG who had at one time gone after the Pacific when FS was just getting people angry at him.

But then, that might have just been TG... Either that or I've dug a whole that I shant climb out of for a long time.

And invading a mods region was never a good idea. Am I the only one who remembers, even though it wasn't that long ago, when a couple of people, Crazy Girl was one of them I think, were trying to get Cog to surrender?

All I'm saying is, Cog drops modbombs a lot, but I was waiting for his nukes to start falling from the sky.

Like they did that one night when someone created 24 nations before they got an IP ban.

Those were some good times. Back in the day when violence was not frowned upon. And the mods didn't get 50 telegrams a day asking if Griefing is ok.

mods can't delete you for invading their regions, as long as you play it by the rules ;)

they might get annoyed though..

What if we're trying to invade a mod's region? :P

See, thing is, the mods know how to protect their own regions from invasions. Even a region as seemingly wide-open and vulnerable to invasion as mine is essentially invasion-proof. S'one of those few things I rather like to gloat about =p

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mmm...
no delegate access there..
still a raid would be fun..

reppy, is that a challenge? :twisted:

mmm...
no delegate access there..
still a raid would be fun..

reppy, is that a challenge? :twisted:

*shrugs* I run the Sector like I run my chat room- loose, but much stricter than I mod Nationstates in many regards ^_~ Sector's not a terribly active region so far as the UN goes anyhow =p

well, if i can get 5 others who aren't too afraid to invade a mod's region, and a quiet morning...

i'll show it is possible to raid a mod's region :twisted:

Space Sector RPRA:

Somewhere I haven't been delegate of… interesting.

well, if i can get 5 others who aren't too afraid to invade a mod's region, and a quiet morning...

i'll show it is possible to raid a mod's region :twisted:

Like you spam mine?

just your puppet region, and i'm not as bad as qafi

and you would be able to follow it all if you weren't so lazy and only log in there once a week or less :P

just your puppet region, and i'm not as bad as qafi

and you would be able to follow it all if you weren't so lazy and only log in there once a week or less :P

Um... I'm busy modding?

yeah right :roll:

that's why you spam this forum so much? :P

yeah right :roll:

that's why you spam this forum so much? :P

No, not "spamming". "Modding". *nods sagely*

so bumping up an old topic by posting through a lock is modding?

then i wanna be a mod too :twisted:

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And invading a mods region was never a good idea. Am I the only one who remembers, even though it wasn't that long ago, when a couple of people, Crazy Girl was one of them I think, were trying to get Cog to surrender?

All I'm saying is, Cog drops modbombs a lot, but I was waiting for his nukes to start falling from the sky.

Yes, Crazy Girl and 3 am Eternal. That was just a joke. :wink: Additionally, even if they were really invading, I would not have modbombed them for performing a legal invasion. Ejected them from the region, maybe, but not modbombing them.

Like they did that one night when someone created 24 nations before they got an IP ban.

I don't remember that incident. Did I delete those nations? Because it sounds like you're mentioning this in reference to me. :?

<snip>What if we're trying to invade a mod's region? :P
I'm going to speak unofficially, here, and only theoretically.

Theoretically, if you asked the target Moderator, he or she would have to honestly give you their opinion about the legality of your plan. Of course, you then have the problem that you just informed your target about your plans.

Again, theoretically, such a Moderator could ignore such information when considering political plans and pretend that they don't know about it. However, if the Moderator also has an intelligence/counterintelligence network that would get him or her the same information, then matters would be greatly confused, as the Moderator would have to try to figure out whether or not they could have found out about the invasion without being told about it by invaders asking if it's legal or not.

Of course, this could all be avoided by noting the fact that there's no shortage of Moderators you could ask about the legality of the invasion, so you don't have to ask the target Mod.

Finally, this is all rendered moot if the target Mod happens to be the Founder of his or her region.

Just my thoughts on the matter. "Think about it for a moment."

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

yeah, but regions with founders are still fun to raid, just take over delegacy for a day, just for kicks and fun ;)