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I noticed that:
96 minutes ago: The United States of Grub ceased to exist. He is the leader of one of the largest defender alliances in the game, and was active yesterday. Was he deleted?

what the? why did grub get deleted?

It must be a glitch

Some glitch! He's the founder of a region that contains around 600 nations.

He is not just our leader. He is also a FRIEND! He was active 15 hours before his deletion and Grub never broke the rules. We want him back!

He's was made founder after an invasion back in the days when Mods still made founders. But the above is right he's not the kind of player who flames, spams, or that sort of thing. I think it must be a glitch.

and flamers already take advantage of the situation:

3 minutes ago The Kingdom of The southpole nudists you fags
grub is gone and now you are all on your own what ya gona do the same thing happened to my friends Biaches

and flamers already take advantage of the situation:

3 minutes ago The Kingdom of The southpole nudists you fags
grub is gone and now you are all on your own what ya gona do the same thing happened to my friends Biaches

I went to check for you.. he had two warnings for regional spamming.. and was deleted by Neut. I suspect (but don't know) that he must of spammed again.

Hope this helps.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

the guys gone. i checked his region and asked virtually everyone there.

what happened?

spamming? Grub has a strict rule against regional spamming -- something's wrong here.

There must be some mistake, Grub is well known and very liked and respected. He is also well known for following the rules and would never break them in the way suggested. I await his return and a clear and just resolution to this matter.

Hi,

This is Grub (Titanica is my UN nation). I have never spammed anybody and do not know why I would have been ejected. The only thing that could possibly be considered spamming is when I, as Founder, clear the message board of the 10000 Islands, which is allowed using the power of the Founder.

Not only have I not spammed or broken the rules in any way, but recently the 10000 Islands has been attacked by spammers and nations who posted really bad messages. You can see some evidence of this on this very Moderation board from about a week ago.

With the exception of one nation yesterday (who didn't even really do anything that bad,) none of those rule breaking nations were deleted, yet I have been deleted? This is something I don't understand.

I request that this error be corrected as soon as possible.

Thank you,
Grub (Titanica)

spamming? Grub has a strict rule against regional spamming -- something's wrong here.

I don't know really any thing about the situation.. His nation had spam tags by two different mods between a few months. Then a third action was a deletion by Neut. Which if he did some thing, any thing else would fall under our thrid strike rule.

Feel free to ask Neut why he deleted him, I'm just telling you what I was able to find out via the mod center. I personally have no personal knowledge of the actual situation.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

On behalf of the Senate of the region 10000 Islands and our more than 575 nations, we respectfully request an immediate review of the moderator decision to terminate our founder, Grub.

Knowing his character and careful adherence to all NS rules, we find the charge of spamming dubious in the extreme. His removal exposes our large and eminent region to unnecessary harassment and harm.

Please restore Grub posthaste.

I dont understand. We cant live without our founder region. I've been with 10k islands for a monyh and grub has protected us from spamming the whole way. It just doesn't add up.

Again, I have *never* spammed.

Thanks,
Grub

I am bemused that a nation such as Grub could be deleted for "Spamming" - Yet a nation such as Bhagavan (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/48827/page=display_nation/nation=bhagavan) can go around, post on over 50 regional message centers recruiting for his region, then go around and post up to 4 more messages on the same 50 centers explaining why he posted those message, and he is still ticking, despite being reported by more than one regional leader. Reinstate Grub, I'm sure you will find whoever reported them was an enemy of the great TITO alliance.

I have seen Grub "spam" the regional board of his own region, but that was always to cover up the flaming spam of others that spoiled the board with their harassment. As Founder of 10K, that should be legal, right?

If there was any spam elsewhere, I would wonder about a cracking incident. A friend of mine was deleted in this same fashion, and I later found out his nation was cracked.

Had you been warned before for spamming, Grub?

Here's where one of the fake spam reports came from. For background, Rarely Steamboats is an enemy to the 10000 Islands. This is from the 10000 Islands regional message board.

Nation: Martian City-States

"lol

I know who filed at least one of those spam complaints.

somebody who knows what it means to be deleted, let's have a hand for my dear friend an subordinate, Lieutenant Rarely Steamboats!

seriously, my condolences, friend. if you don't get your grubbery back into business, and you don't get your region back, then fair winds to you, warrior poet. I am truly sorry, yet happy at the same time."

I have seen Grub "spam" the regional board of his own region, but that was always to cover up the flaming spam of others that spoiled the board with their harassment. As Founder of 10K, that should be legal, right?

If there was any spam elsewhere, I would wonder about a cracking incident. A friend of mine was deleted in this same fashion, and I later found out his nation was cracked.

Had you been warned before for spamming, Grub?

:: ponders the thought ::


Is a septuple posting really the best way to defend yourself against spamming, Grub?



:P

ah, that's what I figured. I knew a couple nations were PO'd about you reporting their bad behavior and booting them out of our Region but making false reports to the Moderators is really underhanded. Not only does it waste their time (and it's not like they have NOTHING to do) but it hurts a region that has worked very hard to help other regions and new players ...

Grub doesn't deserve this.

Yeah, I don't think that helps my case very much. The extra posts were accidental. I kept getting "The Page cannot be displayed" and resubmitted.

Sorry about that.

Here's a telegram Martian City-States sent to Titanica.

"hey, grubbery, erm, I mean

tity, a dance is a dance. 5 minutes or 5 years, I helped bring you down and I'll never forget it."

This is outrageous i think that the mods have got it wrong because grub has never spammed or any of that and most sirtenly will not he is strict about that sort of thing

the only time he has ever posted the same thing more than once was when he was clearing spam of our regional message board and porbably pressed the send message button more than once and that is easly done

hes also a respectable player and is a good leader of our region and without him we are getting spam message upon spam message

i think that it doesn't sum up because a) he has a strict rule about spamming b) he has never spammed c) hes a respectable player and would not do that sort of thing

i hope this gets sorted out soon and we get him back

regards,
Future England
resident of 10000 islands

I do not post often, but now I'll do that.

This is a big mistake, not only are the accusations completely false (and I am pretty sure, I've been in the 10000 islands for quite some time now), but it also hurts the entire nationstates world.
Ask yourself: Who is telling the truth? The population of the 10000 Islands and of other regions helped by TITO, who can all guarantee that Grub is a great nation, or certain nations that has thrown these false accusations at him, and then enters our region filling our message board with inappropriate messages?
Let's just solve this as quickly as possible, please.

sorry double post

Also check the region "Im off to spread the news", started by one of the nations I mentioned above...

Had you been warned before for spamming, Grub?

I got a message from a mod, that I couldn't reply to, a few weeks ago that said to stop spamming the 10000 Islands after I had reported a spammer that was posting vulgar messages. I eventually cleared those messages but didn't think twice about the message because, as Founder, I had the power to clear messages, especially dirty ones from outsiders. I also thought the mod sent me a copy by accident.

If clearing posts from the 10000 Islands regional message board is not allowed by founders, then I am definitely guilty of that, but nothing else.

This is my opinion.

The mods, Neut in particular if he was the one that handled this, have just dug themselves a very deep hole.

If Grub was truly doing what he says he was doing, and the fact that many are supporting his claim makes it seem very realistic, then no infraction of the rules has occured and the mods were wrong.

If Grub truly was warned and commited numerous spams, then was deleted only after a few instances of this, especially only two tags, then the mods now have a duty and precedent to uphold. I've seen spammers survive for months, years even, some of them are still going, spamming away, and nothing has happened to them. But now we have this, swift action against one of the most well known nations in the game that everyone says has done nothing wrong, except a few whose obvious intent was to get rid of his nation.

So you've got the 10000 islands behind him, a few haters against him. I'm not really questioning Neut, because I've seen him be very fair, and almost never do his actions have a bad explination behind them.

But this is truly sad. I'll agree with everything else that has been said.

Gurb does not deserve this. And the mods are going to have a tougher time maintaining the old way of things after this. My condolences to all, as well as hope for a good resolution to this issue.

This is sounding more and more like a mistake made by a Mod, my hope is that it is reversed ASAP so that 10k Islands can get back to being one of the finest regions in the world.

UNOFFICIAL NOTE:

This note is not being made in an official capacity, instead it is simply an observation of the player who happens to control this account.

Due to various circumstances (such as finals across US universities) and a certain other unforseen RL circumstances, please understand if this takes a few days to get a final official moderator ruling. It may take less, I'm just asking some patience.

Thanks.

(returns to the RL work that he's currently drowning under)

From my experience, Grub would never violate any rule on purpose. He was one of the most upstanding, honorable players out there. There must be some mistake.

ah, that's what I figured. I knew a couple nations were PO'd about you reporting their bad behavior and booting them out of our Region but making false reports to the Moderators is really underhanded. Not only does it waste their time (and it's not like they have NOTHING to do) but it hurts a region that has worked very hard to help other regions and new players ...

Grub doesn't deserve this.

Hear, hear! This is a travesty. And, while we understand that there things take time, and the moderators are just people who have a lot on their plate, we are still anxious to see Grub's good name restored. Our region has done nothing but try to help good nations, and defend other new regions who need help. Grub is an exemplary leader, who is very serious about the rules of the game, and takes the time and effort to see that the citizens of his region are, also.

I am only passingly familar with Grub but in the exercises we have had with him and TITO he has proven himself to be honorable. I watch our HQ boards like a hawk in an effort to curtail the rampant spamming that occurs there and I have not seen one instance of spem from Grub or a member of his region.

Even though this appears to be a mistake at the very least or an act of fraud at the very worst the situation should be dealt with as quickly as possible. I will paitently await the moderators decision on this matter.

Nem
NPA

Guys, for gods sake, just wait. No-one knows what happens yet, but baying for blood and demanding a reversal isn't going to help at the moment.

As 10000 Islands is one of our allies, I frequently check their messageboards. I have seen some puerile posts by trolls but nothing by the founder that I would remotely interpret as "spamming".

I second those who say that Grub is a courteous and honourable player, and would request the moderators to review this case as a matter of urgency.

White Lotus Eaters
UN Delegate, Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=urbanites)

Soffin is right. Based on past experience of Grub I think this is probably an error. One that will be corrected. It's Neut and the other Mods who have all the evidence and are best placed to talk directly to Grub about what happened.

Neut once deleted me (which is why my nation looks so good for it's age) he could have let me stay deleted, but he listened to what me and the other player in question had to say and he Resurrected us.

Shouting at the Mods (not saying anyone has yet) doesn't make them more or less fair. It just gives them more to read (and I have spam I need checked in my inbox people).

OK...

For starters - Bhagavone was warned this morning by myself to quit spamming. Should he/she not quit, further actions will be taken.


Grub's nation was reported by multiple nations for having spammed his region with 'bump'. Now, as has been clearly stated many a time before in the forums - when clearing spam, founders need to indicate that such actions are being taken.

In other words: 'bump' is spam, 'founder clearing spam/flame' is not spam.

Now, I've taken everyone's posts into account, and also the age of Grub's nation. As a result, I'm going to change this to a final warning and resurrect your nation.

Just remember, 'bump' is spam; 'founder clearing spam/flame' is not (this only applies to the Founder capacity)

Wow, that was quick ... thanks Neutered Sputniks! 8)

Grub's one of our greats, I'm so glad we haven't lost him!

Thank-you for a quick resolution to this matter and for the clarification of the rules.

I am hardly ever in these forums and have never heard of that rule before, but in the future I will be sure to post "Founder Clearing" or "Founder Bump" when I need to clear the board.

On behalf of myself and the 10000 Islands, I thank you for restoring Grub.

Grub

Thanks so much for taking the time to review this situation and helping with it. You guys have a lot on your plates, but it seems like you've always been incredibly fair in listening and replying pretty quickly!

Figured it be nice to say we appreciate what you do, and how hard it is to do it.

Trish aka LoreSong.

*Whew*

Hopefully with this clarification, Grub will never have troubles with this again.

As previous United Nations Delegate of 10000 Islands, I thank thee, nation and Moderator, Neutered Sputniks.

As Leader of the Grand Princedom of Parthini (not representing 10000 Islands or TITO) I inquire where the so called "rule" about the "founder clearing" is. I have never heard of it.

I would also inquire why several spam attacks on the 10000 Islands Civil HQ were not dealt with. We supplied sufficient evidence of Spamming and Flaming but have so far not seen any retalitory efforts being put forth.

Sincerely,
GPP

Well that all went rather well didn't it. If anyone ever joins my region, and that person ever spams its boards. I would now know the correct way to clear it, if that is I ever noticed it.

But I assume that's useful for Kandarin and other potentates.

Glad to see this got solved so quick.

I'm very glad to see such a rapid resolution to this injustice.

I also believe the moderators need a little bit of a broader mind. "bump" as opposed to "founder clearing spam" is the most petty and ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Given who Grub is and the fact that he and his region have so many enemies, I would expect the moderators to be just a little more realistic!

Everyone in the region knew what "bump" was all about.