NationStates Jolt Archive

Okay, so say i were to invade a region, and successfully hold it, after a few days, if there were not many natives left, and no founder, and none of them objected to it, can i eject everyone, and let the region die, and recreate it after it dies so i can be founder? i would have telegrammed all natives the information in advance. well, is it legal?

This is all hypothetical of course.

NO, absolutely not, you will be deleted if you do this!

You cannot eject anyone from the region. If the other nations all agree to it, they must leave the region voluntarily for you to re-create it.

Unfree is correct. You would be deleted with great prejudice.

Actually, I can eject people, just not all of them and they have to be removed from the regional ban list immediately. I will wait for an educated mod to post on this.

From my understanding of the rules, everyone would have to voluntarily vacate the region.

There may be natives who don't sign on daily and who might be opposed to having an invader become a founder. While you would be giving them the password in advance and telling them in advance what your plan is, if they don't sign in and read the telegram they have no method to return to a region that's the same as they left it and no chance to return region back to the same.

<=== NOT A MOD!!

Actually, I can eject people, just not all of them and they have to be removed from the regional ban list immediately. I will wait for an educated mod to post on this.

Are you calling Hack an uneducated Mod? not a nice thing to do!

umm no, i was just refering to you people.. ok i withdraw that statement then, could be considered flame or whatever.


There would be no pw on the region after it was recreated.

Look, it's really simple:

If you eject everyone from a region to recreate it, you will be deleted.

damn, thought so.... Can I apply for "founder status"?????

No.

Ok then, thanks. btw i know the mods know who i am, but non-mods dont which is what i was going for

Did you look at the region griefing sticky and the proposed Invader Rules in this forum? They should help answer your question on region crashing and what is and isn't permitted.

(Not a Mod).

Oh yeah, you're Fooled ya!

Oh yeah, you're Fooled ya!

funny, hack, real funny.....

You know something Hack? Made ya look! Haha.

Take that!

Oh yeah, you're Fooled ya!

Aww, don't leave us Non-Mods in suspense, spill the beans please!

*grumbles and walks away* Bah! I can't win this, U... U have da m0dz p0wrz!1!!!!!11111!!!

LOL, that was funny Hack.

mwahahaha, by now he has looked up my ip, linked it to every one of my nations, and has put a warrant ouyt for my death or something like that.

spamming regional happenings, how ever, is NOT allowed...

Libertarian Paradise

Seconds ago: The Oppressed Peoples of Still Alive departed this region for PANTHER
Seconds ago: The Oppressed Peoples of Still Alive arrived from PANTHER.
Seconds ago: The Oppressed Peoples of Still Alive departed this region for PANTHER
Seconds ago: The Oppressed Peoples of Still Alive arrived from PANTHER.
1 minute ago: The Oppressed Peoples of Still Alive departed this region for PANTHER
1 minute ago: The Rouge Nation of Electrocution arrived from PANTHER.
1 minute ago: The Oppressed Peoples of Still Alive arrived from PANTHER.
1 minute ago: The Oppressed Peoples of Still Alive departed this region for PANTHER
1 minute ago: The Oppressed Peoples of Still Alive arrived from PANTHER.
2 minutes ago: The Oppressed Peoples of Still Alive departed this region for PANTHER

ahaha... ha... ha... where did you get that....?


that was requested for by the founder...

i posted the region's name, also, the region doesn't have a founder.

err the founder of panther, and i had 2 go somewhere didn't i? i picked a random region...

a region in which we found gen collin powell, the founder of the invader region DEN?

with a bunch of friends?

who happilly endorse one of their own?

huh? i have no idea who that is

suuuuuuuuuuuure :roll:

anyway, modreport was filed, we'll see what they got to say bout it..

This is not for you to complain about, this is for the natives to complain about, and I don't think they minded much.

you just spammed up the regional happenings to cover up an invasion, that's against the rules.
and i can complain about that.

First of all, clearing a region and recreating it is NOT against the NS rules. The mods seem to want to interpret these rules situationally rather than consistently. So long as you afford all natives the opportunity to return following the recreation, it violates NO specific NS rule. If you believe that it does, cite the rule and its application (with consistent examples of its application.) The rule against griefing only prohibits ejection of all nations following a raid. It says nothing about recreating the region and requesting them to return. If you have natives which are inactive and cannot state agreement (or disagreement,) they are not factors which should be considered in the assessment. They will return to the newly re-created region; send them a telegram before you eject them explaining what is occurring.

For those natives who do complain, they may voluntarily find a new region. Remember---and this goes out to the moderators as well---that NS AUTHORIZES RAIDERPLAY. Stop interpreting the rule authorizing raiderplay so narrowly that it essentially prohibits the practice. You are removing the very point of the rule from the game simply because you do not like the results. If you are going to be partisan about it, don't be a moderator---be honest and be a defender. Otherwise, allow the players to play the game please.

Just so there is no confusion, yes I am a member of DEN, and this is Gen Collin Powell (in alternate form.)

excuse me?

each time i see a region getting cleared out by a delegate, i've seen the delegate getting deleted, or at least punished.
and i've seen plenty of griefings..

First of all, clearing a region and recreating it is NOT against the NS rules. The mods seem to want to interpret these rules situationally rather than consistently. So long as you afford all natives the opportunity to return following the recreation, it violates NO specific NS rule. If you believe that it does, cite the rule and its application (with consistent examples of its application.) The rule against griefing only prohibits ejection of all nations following a raid. It says nothing about recreating the region and requesting them to return. If you have natives which are inactive and cannot state agreement (or disagreement,) they are not factors which should be considered in the assessment. They will return to the newly re-created region; send them a telegram before you eject them explaining what is occurring.

No, you're wrong. Perhaps you should do a touch of research first. Clearing out a region to recreate is against the rules. The people must leave of their own accord.

For those natives who do complain, they may voluntarily find a new region. Remember---and this goes out to the moderators as well---that NS AUTHORIZES RAIDERPLAY. Stop interpreting the rule authorizing raiderplay so narrowly that it essentially prohibits the practice. You are removing the very point of the rule from the game simply because you do not like the results. If you are going to be partisan about it, don't be a moderator---be honest and be a defender. Otherwise, allow the players to play the game please.

We do allow invasions, provided the invaders follow the rules.

We do allow invasions, provided the invaders follow the rules.One of which is: only the founder is allowed to clear their region.

Technically, since you clear out the region, afterwards you become the founder, so that makes it legal because you are the founder when the mods see it.


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I have done the research, Hack, and there is no rule specifically prohibiting this practice. I have asked for the rule to be cited and examples given, and of course none are forthcoming. If RR Girl can cite them, please do. Otherwise, this confirms what I am saying about the rules being applied situationally.

Finally, I offer those commenting on this the opportunity to propose a specific rule disallowing regional recreation following raids. This will resolve the matter once and for all. All that I ask, however, is that you put this question up for debate globally; that is, put it in the form of a UN resolution or a question for all players. This is a far better approach to the issue of raiderplay in this game than the ever-changing interpretation by the moderators.

what? about clearing out a region?

easy, look at this thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109397) in the gameplay froum, and also, in the FAQ:

Once I've taken over a region, can I eject everyone else?
No. Region crashing by itself is a legitimate tactic to seize power, but ejecting large numbers of nations is griefing. It can be a fine line between region crashing and griefing. Players who enjoy launching invasions should take care to stay on the right side.




yep, RR girl is one of my puppies

I have done the research, Hack, and there is no rule specifically prohibiting this practice. I have asked for the rule to be cited and examples given, and of course none are forthcoming. If RR Girl can cite them, please do. Otherwise, this confirms what I am saying about the rules being applied situationally.

That rule is definitely not enforced "situationally". In every case the mods catch, the person who clears a region in order to refound it is deleted. That's griefing and always has been as long as the practice has existed.

I have done the research, Hack, and there is no rule specifically prohibiting this practice. I have asked for the rule to be cited and examples given, and of course none are forthcoming. If RR Girl can cite them, please do.

See above, where she sites them. Or, you know, read the FAQ. That's usually a good place to start. From your nation page, click the link that says "FAQ" over to the left.

All that I ask, however, is that you put this question up for debate globally; that is, put it in the form of a UN resolution or a question for all players. This is a far better approach to the issue of raiderplay in this game than the ever-changing interpretation by the moderators.

Your research is clearly very poor. From the FAQ (see above on how to locate it):

Can I make a UN resolution to add war to the game?
No. Well, you can, but I'm still not going to add war. The UN is not there to request new game features. I admit this would be nice: propose a change, vote it through, and BAM! The game gets better. But then, I would have to make the BAM! part happen, so this won't fly. It would require me to spend so much time rewriting game code that I wouldn't be able to pursue my real passion, which is earning enough money to buy food, and staying sane.Underlined emphasis mine

The UN is not the place for proposals of that sort. Also, this is not a democracy (that's in the FAQ too), the players do not create the rules.