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Another Swastika flag bearing country:

The Dominion of The Pan-Aryan Reich

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EDIT: Flag seems to have been changed.

Is it an offence to dispolay the sastika ina flag, because in that case the christian cross should be banned also, alongside the communist hammer and sickle and the signs of easter religion.

Makes no sense.

there has already been a ruling on this, and although it makes no sense, we must obey it

COMEON! you can't seriously compare a christian cross with a swastika? no insuniations but the only guys i have heard say that are, exactly, nazis.

i think hat even nazis have the freedom of speech in a democracy but this site isn't more politics than tropico

The swastika was originally a holy symbol used in various Eastern religions, and is still used (I believe) by Buddhists. For this reason I do not believe the sawstika should be banned unless the nation in question has made it clear that they follow the Nazi philosophy of racial purity.
However, as the FAQ says, the rules are concrete. If swastikas are banned, then we have to cope with that.

This isn't a democracy.

It is rather unfortunate that a game that proposes to allow nations to be developed in their own way then insists on banning certain symbols because they may cause offence. Whilst I can understand and sympathise with people's objections to what the swastika portayed in the 1930-1945 period, it must be understood that this symbol is representative of many things and was merely borrowed by Nazi troops as a symbol.

Accordingly, if we are to accept a ban on the swastika, then I would propose we also accept bans on the Star of David and the christian cross, both symbols which can easily be found offensive by those who have suffered at the hands of those bearing these symbols.

If we are to be truly bipartisan here we should either ban all religious and military symbols, or we ban none of them. Otherwise such a ban becomes little more than a reflection of the bias of one person or the minority, rather than a balanced decision in the interests of fairness and equality.

christian cross, spanish inquisition
hammer&sickle, mass deportation
jewish star, bomb civilians
the list of course goes on...

well we better get rid off al symbols then

comeon, the dominion of the pan aryan reich, how does that sound? and whit th flag too! of course i would object if someone with a david star wrote a bpout slaying oalsetinians, or if someone with a cross wrote a bout sinning homosexuals, but as i told you, this isn't politics, it's a game

there has already been a ruling on this, and although it makes no sense, we must obey it


I know, but I do think it's dumb. Hey ho, what the mods hold true in mods forum, we shalt hold true on NS...

comeon, the dominion of the pan aryan reich, how does that sound? and whit th flag too! of course i would object if someone with a david star wrote a bpout slaying oalsetinians, or if someone with a cross wrote a bout sinning homosexuals, but as i told you, this isn't politics, it's a game

So whats the non-political reaspon not to allow swastika flags then? If this is not political whats your reason?

No symbol has a perfect history, the Swastika's (an object can be possesive can't it) history was marred by the Nazi use of it, but the object itself is not a sign of evil or hatred.

of course there isnt any nonpolitical reasons to not allow them, but as this game is for fun you probably should consider how fun some people might think it is with national mottos like WHITEPOWER!!!!

I would like to point out that it is considered perfectly acceptable to roleplay a nation that believes in naziism. As well is should be - after all, what point is there in a game without any bad guys? Given this, allowing neonazi nations but strictly forbidding their flag makes no sense. At all.

Besides, regardless of whoever used it in the past, it cannot be denied that the swastika is a pretty geometric pattern.

of course there isnt any nonpolitical reasons to not allow them, but as this game is for fun you probably should consider how fun some people might think it is with national mottos like WHITEPOWER!!!!


One quote, by Max Barry Himself:

Jennifer Government: NationStates is a nation simulation game. You create your own country, fashioned after your own political ideals, and care for its people. Either that or you deliberately torture them. It's really up to you.

So Max doesnt care what we dow with our nations, and hell its his game. Or should I not say hell because that may spur an international war of religion?
You say it is a game, treat it as a game with a pinch of salt.

well, comment them in a political way then. go in debate with those nazi's, but don't ban them. i even can't play a nazi for RP purposes...

btw, the symbol of peace, used by greenpeace was 2000 years ago the symbol of the violent oppression of the christians in the roman empire.... something like the swastika 60 years ago for the jews...

It's banned. That's all anyone really needs to know. If Max wanted, he could ban the use of the letter 'G' on this site and there isn't a damn thing any of us could do about it. Face it, until we start having to pay for NationStates, we have absolutely no say in how the game is run. If someone doesn't like it, they can leave. Simple as that.

of course there isnt any nonpolitical reasons to not allow them, but as this game is for fun you probably should consider how fun some people might think it is with national mottos like WHITEPOWER!!!!


One quote, by Max Barry Himself:

Jennifer Government: NationStates is a nation simulation game. You create your own country, fashioned after your own political ideals, and care for its people. Either that or you deliberately torture them. It's really up to you.

So Max doesnt care what we dow with our nations, and hell its his game. Or should I not say hell because that may spur an international war of religion?
You say it is a game, treat it as a game with a pinch of salt.

ok, if it is like that then it should be allowed with swastika flags, my view of ns sofar has been a bit of a restricted tropico, if these nations are allowed i don't care anymore about the same with nazi europe and flags thead

It's banned. That's all anyone really needs to know. If Max wanted, he could ban the use of the letter 'G' on this site and there isn't a damn thing any of us could do about it. Face it, until we start having to pay for NationStates, we have absolutely no say in how the game is run. If someone doesn't like it, they can leave. Simple as that.

a debate does not harm anyone.

It's banned. That's all anyone really needs to know. If Max wanted, he could ban the use of the letter 'G' on this site and there isn't a damn thing any of us could do about it. Face it, until we start having to pay for NationStates, we have absolutely no say in how the game is run. If someone doesn't like it, they can leave. Simple as that.
a debate does not harm anyone.
It sure gives us a headache when it is repeated every month, though. Yes, the swastika is a historic symbol of peace, love and compassion or whatever, used by countless civilisations predating the Nazi era. But we don't care. The boss says it's banned, it means it's banned. If you wish to discuss the history of the swastika, please do so in the General Forum.

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