NationStates Jolt Archive

Dear mods and game ruler peoples,

I have a couple of suggestions to make this game a little more interesting (not that it isn't interesting already of course)

1. Give people the option to delete/edit messages that they themself posted in the region forum - perhaps within 24 hours of posting it.

1b. Give powers to the delegate/founder to delete messages of ex-nations on the forum so that we can delete offensive or spam messages from nations that have already been deleted for their crimes.

2. (sit down comfortably before reading) Take away the founder feature of the game. I say this as a founder of a region (Eretz Yisrael) because it takes some of the 'risk' element out of the game. If a region has a founder it is more or less impossible to invade it and do anything to it. This means that people don't even bother now days and the game looses a bit of its interest. Also if a founder becomes bored of playing nation states and lets their nation die - their region is placed at a huge dissadvantage to other regions thus forcing some founders to stay alive against their will.

That is all for my suggestions.

-Gold Land

p.s. thanks to the people who work hard to make the game good.

The founder thing is put there for the nations which don't like invasions. If you think it makes it too dull, do what I did in my region and kill the founder. :twisted:

Killing the founder is not going to happen. Its too big and built up for me to do that.

Also it would place my region at a dissadvantage to other regions. The abolition of founder thing would put all regions on a level playing field. The delegate who is elected would have all the powers and would have to be alert and log on regularly. Every player would have to pay more attention so make sure they elect the right person for the job. Also, as only UN members can vote for delegate, UN status would be much more important to them - their vote for their leader is important if the leader has all their powers and currently people are not so affected by the UN.

-GL

The founder thing is put there for the nations which don't like invasions.

Exactly. If you don't want to be invaded, this makes it so you can't. If you don't care if you are invaded or not either kill the founder or just don't use it's powers. It's really that simple.

No, it's really not that simple. If everything were that simple, my 'Play Nice' rule would suffice. We all know, however, that it doesnt because people must be told exactly what is and isnt 'nice' in no un-certain terms.

1. Allowing players to remove/edit their posts on a regional board would allow flamers to flame, and then edit, so there's no evidence left, along with allowing spammers to spam, etc.

2. See the above.


3. Founder will not likely be removed any time soon. See, here's what most people involved in invasions have yet to fully grasp: the overwhelming majority of NationStates players dont wish to participate in invasions. They should not be forced to do so.

Even though there will be war in NS2, it will not be done in such a manner as invasions - invasions cause no negative impacts on a nation unless done in an illegal manner, invasions arent dependant on one's economy or military might, regional alliances dont threaten to incite a world war, etc. The war engine in NS2 addresses all these issues, and in fact, war in NS2 will more closely resemble the last resort it is in the real world.

Dear Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms/Dr/Prof/other*

Thanks for taking the time to read and reply to my post.

I agree its not simple, in reply to your answers

1. Most people only check their nation once every 24 hours, therefore if someone spams/flames* a number of forums and then takes the effort of going round changing their posts not many people would see it thus negating the point of the spam/flame. Also, if anything very offensive were to be posted that a person would want to complain about there is always the good ol' screen capture - paste into paint and then email to the relevent mod email address. Also if this feature were limited to say - within 20 mins of the post - that would give a person ample time to spot their silly typos/grammer mistakes/flaws/offensive thing that they might want to remove as to avoid upsetting people by accident* in arguments and adjust them accordingly, but not for a spammer to get their message accross.

1b. Spammers/stupid people/flamers* come along and post rediculously long posts. Usually these people are caught pretty quickly and their nation deleted. In the past their posts have stuck around for ages. I noticed the other day that some stupidly long post was deleted after the nation was given the big deat but I had requested this from a mod and am not sure if this is standard practise. If not then it would be useful to be able to delete messages posted by ex-nations.

3. Of course people don't like being invaded. The region I was in was invaded by nazi's who subsequenly chucked us all out and we had to start with a new region from scratch. Not pleasent - but thats the way the cookie crumbles (mmmm - cookies - anyone who keeps passover will know how much i am craving them right now). Before the founder thing we used to have a lot of nazi,pro-palastinian rights and general antisemites come to our region and mouth of a bit, our members used to then display a (sometimes) vast knowledge of judaism, nazism, middle east politics or what ever else was up for debate. Also, the prospect of getting invaded always kept us on our toes. If the delegate has powers to password protect & chuck out trouble makers then it would still be VERY difficult for a careful nation to be invaded - while still retaining an element of possiblilty that keeps the game interesting. Also in general, regions that keep themselves to themselves and dont invade other regions do not get invaded for no reason. Usually invasions is part of some ongoing handbags at dawn argument or maybe more relevent row - but I don't recall seeing a lot of 'just for the heck of it' invasions.

I am interested to hear if you think these are ok suggestions and if they are workable or not.

Thanks again for the effort you invest in NS.

-GL

*delete as appropriate

Number 1, you'll have problems with people in heated debate in a region flaming and then editing when a player cries "Mod" so as to avoid being deleted - doesnt make them any less guilty, just erases the evidence.

Number 2, generally speaking, we dont have the time to track down every region a spammer spammed in, however, if it's requested, we can clear spam off regional boards.

Number 3, the number of people who dont want to participate in invasions far outweighs the number of those who do. Foundership is supposed to somewhat provide better defenses against attack, but as we've seen in the past, sometimes that's just not enough even.

Furthermore, a Founder allows a region with no UN members to change their factbook, ejected spammers, and the like. A good number of the one or two nation UN Multi rings back before Founders were simply people who wanted to be able to change the Factbook in their region.

If you don't want to die off as Founder, but want invasions to happen in your region, it's really simple. Turn on Regional Controls, and never eject anybody. Simple, no?

I am going to post again, though really its only going to say the same thing as before as I believe i didn't really put the argument forward well enough already.

1. The feature would be time limited to about 20 minutes so that it would be highly impracticle for spammers to use it to their advantage. What would be the point (for a spammer) to have to change EVERY message they put up within 20 minutes. Noone would see the original message. It would only be useful for people to correct their mistakes.

1b. This would take work AWAY from the highly overworked mods. WE, the founders/delegates, would be deleting spam messages from ex-nations if given the authority to.

2. I wasn't saying I wanted to be invaded/invade other people. Just that since that feature of the game was made impossible things have become much more boring. Also it makes more sense for the delegate - one who is elected - to have all the power. So, if founder only had powers on the delegates say so and delegate had the power to password protect. chuck people out, and possibly ban nations who aren't in their region - by typing in their name into some box and adding it to the regional ban list - countries who don't want to be invaded can protect themselves very well against it.
I think Hack (did you get that name from the book, or was it something you created because you blatently wanted to become a mod?) makes the best point in that regions with no UN members would have a bit of a problem - which is why founder should still exist but be secondry to the delegate (if there is one).
Also, I don't want to turn the feature off in my region as then EY would be at a dissadvantage, and I would like it to be a level playing field.

Thank you for your time once again. Please do not take my sarcastic sense of humor as an insult because I am genuinely grateful for all the work that goes into NS.

-GL

I am going to post again, though really its only going to say the same thing as before as I believe i didn't really put the argument forward well enough already.
No, we understand what you're trying to say. We're simply telling you why it wont happen.

1. The feature would be time limited to about 20 minutes so that it would be highly impracticle for spammers to use it to their advantage. What would be the point (for a spammer) to have to change EVERY message they put up within 20 minutes. Noone would see the original message. It would only be useful for people to correct their mistakes.
Ok, many people debate/discuss/talk on their regional boards. Now, allowing them to flame and then change it up to 20 mins afterwards means they can flame someone, and then change it 20 mins later so there's no evidence. Doesnt mean they didn't flame, just means it cant be proved.


1b. This would take work AWAY from the highly overworked mods. WE, the founders/delegates, would be deleting spam messages from ex-nations if given the authority to.
See above. It would allow delegates to abuse the regional boards, and allow cronies of the delegates to abuse the regional boards.


2. I wasn't saying I wanted to be invaded/invade other people. Just that since that feature of the game was made impossible things have become much more boring. Also it makes more sense for the delegate - one who is elected - to have all the power. So, if founder only had powers on the delegates say so and delegate had the power to password protect. chuck people out, and possibly ban nations who aren't in their region - by typing in their name into some box and adding it to the regional ban list - countries who don't want to be invaded can protect themselves very well against it.
I think Hack (did you get that name from the book, or was it something you created because you blatently wanted to become a mod?) makes the best point in that regions with no UN members would have a bit of a problem - which is why founder should still exist but be secondry to the delegate (if there is one).
Also, I don't want to turn the feature off in my region as then EY would be at a dissadvantage, and I would like it to be a level playing field.

Founders didnt kill invasions. There are invasions that happen quite frequently. What hurts invaders the most is when troublemakers grief a region. Foundership will not be removed from the game. The game might be boring for you, but there are literally tens of thousands of people out there who are enjoying the game just fine because they do not worry about being invaded due to their region having an active founder.


Thank you for your time once again. Please do not take my sarcastic sense of humor as an insult because I am genuinely grateful for all the work that goes into NS.

-GLNo problem. I've got a similar sense of humor. ;)