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Won't be suprised if it is rules violations, but want to know what Wopness was deleted with 40+ endorsements in Ireland.

I didn't do it, but...

Wopness appears to have used puppets to spam and was a UN multi.

Ha that's great, he deserves it, you all do.

mods going around and ruining everyones fun like this. How WEAK!

Anyone could be deleted cus it "appears" they are cheating. If the mods weren't so pro defender they wouldn't have deleted him.

You guys are fools. What kind of game would this be if you all just sat around on your fat arses and played your issues, or roleplayed. We are playing the game too! Crashing is part of the game. and its about time you recognized it and stopped playing against it.

What kind of advertisement for NS2 is this? You know everyone who plays that game will have been a regular in this game. And you just piss them all of by deleting them cus it "appears" to be a violation. Whatever. The adn is just as bad, but you don't go checking them out.

Worthless. Someone get new mods.

Someone's panties are in a twist.

If you're thinking the mods just simply delete nations before considering it, I suggest you think again. If they did do that, which I doubt, at least it would make the game a much more secure one.

I don't think you quite appreciate what the Moderators do for NationStates. They sort out flamers and total morons, they give helpful advice, and then they have to put up with people who complain about it. If you don't like the game, then leave.

well perhaps he does have a point. whether he said it in a poor manner or not. The mods do screw with invaders. and way too much if you ask me.

the mods do a lot of good for the game, but they still do a poor job of moderating region crashes. Cus they are always for the defenders, and either delete the invaders or freeze the region from updating.

I agree that the mods are underappreciated. So why not hire more? If they have to work so hard, then why not give it out to more people. I know theres respectable people out there who could do the job. Invaders included.

I just don't see why everyone thinks invading is so bad. Its made into the game. It talks about it in the rules. I think we need more freedom to invade in this game because the mods make it impossible.

Please consider this. Notice how I talked rationally and calmly.

well perhaps he does have a point. whether he said it in a poor manner or not. The mods do screw with invaders. and way too much if you ask me.

the mods do a lot of good for the game, but they still do a poor job of moderating region crashes. Cus they are always for the defenders, and either delete the invaders or freeze the region from updating.

I agree that the mods are underappreciated. So why not hire more? If they have to work so hard, then why not give it out to more people. I know theres respectable people out there who could do the job. Invaders included.

I just don't see why everyone thinks invading is so bad. Its made into the game. It talks about it in the rules. I think we need more freedom to invade in this game because the mods make it impossible.

Please consider this. Notice how I talked rationally and calmly.

1) Mods aren't hired- they're volunteers who are appointed. At the moment we don't actually need more mods.

2) The effort is plodding along rather slowly because the boss isn't on very often, but we are working on a revision of the rules concerning invasions so that the entire invasion aspect of the game is more evenly balanced. (And it will create less work for the mods!)

3) Invading wasn't actually 'made' into the game- even Max has said that it's an accidental player-created use of the UN system that he hadn't anticipated when he and [violet] coded the game. Unfortunately, the reason we're so hard on invaders is because invasions tend to have a much higher concentration of all sorts of rules violations- UN Multies, spamming (both the regional happenings and civil HQ boards), and so on, up to and including all-out griefing (kicking everybody out, passwording the region, and possibly then re-founding the region after the update. That's just not cool to do.).

Thanks for being rational in stating your points- It's a refreshing change of pace from the usual "OMG TEH M0DZ0RZ R K0RUPTED!" that we often get when we nail a rulebreaker. (As seen in the recent Eire Shamrock saga :roll: )

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For the record, I am the Moderator who dealt with this incident.

The puppet nations "Spam A Dama" and "Gasher" were used to spam the region "10000 Islands". I traced these back to a UN multi ring. "Wopness" was a part of this ring. "Wopness" was therefore deleted for repeat offenses: First, spamming with puppets, and second, UN multi.

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mods going around and ruining everyones fun like this. How WEAK!

Anyone could be deleted cus it "appears" they are cheating.
I think you'll find that the statement "Wopness appears to have [broken rules]" meant "I didn't delete Wopness, but these are the reasons listed for it", rather than "It looked as though Wopness was breaking these rules".
Kind of the same effect as saying, "It appears that people are fighting each other in Haiti right now". I'm not there, but that's what the news is saying.

1 Invading may not of been part of the initial plan however it adds to the game. Just like dinamite was created to help mine and end war and it did the oppositie so has the setup of deleagcy allowed crashing inadvertantly.

2. By adding more moderators what the users point is that the balance of power lies in favor of defenders. Hence by adding more mods it would even the balance of power more. Sure a ten person jury can do the same amount of work as a twelve person jury but does that display everyones opinion.

Questions

1 Why on earth was wopness having account spam during the invasion that makes no sense. This question is not to moderators neccesarily but to everyone.

2. Is there anyway that we can alleviate this situation and ones in the future ? Could we add some moderators that are part of both sides of many of these conflicts to even the balance like if this happens again add 2 moderators one from each side of the conflict so that way it ould remove peoples room to complain? Or could we add a function where when you want to remove somone there is a 24 hour delay before it happens and by thier name for the 24 hours pending ban so that we could be well aware of the fact. before it happens.

I have nothing against moderators and have recieved help from several from time to time. I respect all of you deeply especially the one who is standing by his ban even though it could put him under fire. I would like to thank all moderators for what you have done for the game and hope it will grow and improve in the future.
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1 Why on earth was wopness having account spam during the invasion that makes no sense. This question is not to moderators neccesarily but to everyone.

You'd probably have to ask Wopness. He was the one who decided to spam and be a UN Multi. This has no connection to any "defender bias", real or imagine, on the part of the Moderators.

2. Is there anyway that we can alleviate this situation and ones in the future ?

Sure. Don't spam, and don't cheat.

Could we add some moderators that are part of both sides of many of these conflicts to even the balance like if this happens again add 2 moderators one from each side of the conflict so that way it ould remove peoples room to complain?

Most Moderators are on neither side of "defender" or "invader". I don't care what side a person's on, all I care about is if someone breaks the rules.

Furthermore, making actions require a Moderator Tribunal, nothing would even get done. It's hard enough for Mods to find free time to look into problems (especially complicated ones), let alone having 4 schedules all line up so that we can talk about it. Moderators are selected for their ability to solve problems without needing every action second guessed. Requiring 4 mods (2 "pro-defender" and 2 "pro-invader") to adjucate every invasion is nothing more than pointless bureaucracy.

Finally, adding a layer like this would make it literally impossible to stop an in process griefing invasion/counter-invasion.

Or could we add a function where when you want to remove somone there is a 24 hour delay before it happens and by thier name for the 24 hours pending ban so that we could be well aware of the fact. before it happens.

So they can continue to abuse the game or Delegate Problems for 24 hours? No, I don't like that idea.

ok thanks for reading it I can see your points to a degree

When I first saw this thread, had no idea why I had started a thread called "Ireland." The forums have been so willy-nilly for me lately, I never know if I am going to get on, and when I do I am typically kicked off after a few minutes/posts.

Thanks for the response, much appreciated-- was just curious. To the pro-invaders in here, interesting points, would be most appropriate in a threead about invasion rules and possible mod preference maybe. I have no doubt that if a mod says he was a multi, he was a multi. Thanks again for the response.

When I first saw this thread, had no idea why I had started a thread called "Ireland." The forums have been so willy-nilly for me lately, I never know if I am going to get on, and when I do I am typically kicked off after a few minutes/posts.

Thanks for the response, much appreciated-- was just curious. To the pro-invaders in here, interesting points, would be most appropriate in a threead about invasion rules and possible mod preference maybe. I have no doubt that if a mod says he was a multi, he was a multi. Thanks again for the response.

Awww, c'mon now Ackbar. You know how often we get people wishing to add pointless beauracracy because "the Mods are all biased against invaders"... Meaning, of course, you also know how often we respond in the same manner as which Hack did: It's simply not practical/mods are not biased/etc.