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i would like to suggest deletion of several nations in the region Nazi Deutschland Axis, after a look at their forum i don't think ns wants these things in there game!

Surely though, that's part of a different web site, not actually on NationStates...

The actual nation, Nazi Deutschland Axis, has (in my experience) been very careful not to break any rules. While the off-site regional board may say one thing, I don't see how it relates to the rules of NS.

The actual nation, Nazi Deutschland Axis, has (in my experience) been very careful not to break any rules. While the off-site regional board may say one thing, I don't see how it relates to the rules of NS.

Well:

Check his world fact book entry:


"We are dedicated to the survival, expansion, and advancement of the White Race through the promotion of National Socialism, White Nationalism, Pan-Aryanism, and many other worthy ideologies. We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children. If you have similar beliefs please join us."

He also uses Nationstates to promote his webpage filled with NAZI-propaganda and paraphernalia, including articles promoting hate speech and racial ideology:

"The region's website is now up and running and can be found at www.freewebs.com/nazi_deutschland_axis You can e-mail me at nazi_deutschland_axis@yahoo.co.uk"

I doubt this is within the rules and even if he´s not breaking the rules per se he´s using the letter of the rules to defeat the spirit of the rules.

I doubt the guys who wrote the rules can tolerate such abuse of their rules.

Being German myself, I am more than offended by this guy and his henchmen. I recommend the moderation teams intervenes.

Regards,

Ulrichland

I believe this has come up before, and IIRC, the ruling on this was that it is not against the rules to be racist or a Nazi. Although I may find this personally offensive, NationStates rules specify that the following is outlawed:

obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam

Although I do not condone the behavior of Nazi Deutschland Axis, it has been ruled to not violate the above.

The Terms of Service that you agreed to when joining states ...that NationStates.net is a forum, not a publisher, and is not responsible for posts by players. Therefore, NationStates is obviously not endorsing the statements made in their World Factbook Entry.

Although a moderator will have to give the final word on this, I am fairly confident that this was ruled on in the past as above.

check the region page on ns, the posts there are discriminating i think. and that's against ns rules

I think not.

See, here at NationStates.net we allow anyone with a political belief system is allowed to post their beliefs as long as they do not cross certain lines. In a nutshell, we allow, and encourage even, discussion from all different political spectrums.

In essence, you must remember that not all political ideologies will mesh with yours and regardless of your personal feelings towards certain ideologies they have as much of a right to post their political beliefs as any other person on this site.

After all, what is the point of allowing political discussion if we only allow discussions among those who hail from ideologies everyone likes to hear and/or see?

Simply put: just because you dont agree and/or dislike a political party does not mean said political party represents any less a political belief as you represent and therefore, members of said political party have just as much of a right to post their beliefs as you do.

offcourse that's also true
and i'm highly in favour of it.
and i pressume that these regions are carefully wached by mods, so it's ok with me

I think not.

See, here at NationStates.net we allow anyone with a political belief system is allowed to post their beliefs as long as they do not cross certain lines.This line, much to the chagrain of every sane person on NationStates, is drawn just after the insulting of a whole race, religion, creed or sexuality.



Come to think of it, the Neo-Cons have kinda replaced the Nazis as the far right on the general forum. Since Parratoga has left perhaps... hmm... [/offtopic]

You wish to jeopardize my rights of free speech because I am a National Socialist? Wow ..... first Abe Foxman and Sumner Redstone, and now the p.c. zombie on the internet. Try all you want, it will never happen, so keep praying to your CNN golden calf .

Wow youre gay, IT'S A GAME, their not hurting anyone, so stop being such a dick and look after your own damn land.

You wish to jeopardize my rights of free speech because I am a National Socialist? Wow ..... first Abe Foxman and Sumner Redstone, and now the p.c. zombie on the internet. Try all you want, it will never happen, so keep praying to your CNN golden calf .I find it utterly laughable that a Nazi tells a liberal that rights shouldn't be reduced on prejudice. That just... blows me away.

Look, I don't agree with the political views of this asshole but it is just a game. Lighten up. If he wants to spout that Nazi crap then let him! Freedom of speech and all that!

As a member of the Nazi Deutschland Axis and a devoted National Socialist, I am astounded by the hypocrisy of the people on here, and the unnamed moderator who changed our region factbook.

Say what you will about Nazis, but at least we do not say one thing and do the other. We do not have double standards and we do not practise doublethink. We are honest, our honor is pure and our courage true.

You people proclaim to be tolerant, and yet you are intolerant with a fervent, raging hate for those you deem "intolerant", people who simply disagree with your dogma of "tolerance".

Mein kameradin, I will tell you who the most hated, the most discriminated against, the most oppressed minority group in the entire world is. It is not the blacks, not the Jews, not the homosexuals, certainly not the communists.

It is us, the White Nationalists, Racialists, and National Socialists.

You hate us automatically, with a kneejerk response that has been deeply conditioned into you by years and years of Jewish education, without even bothering to learn the tenets of National Socialism, or why we desire a seperate nation for Whites.

And now, a unnamed moderator has barged into the peaceful region of Nazi Deutschland Axis, which has strictly played by the rules ever since its conception, and changed the world factbook to one that matches your own ideologies.

World Factbook Entry: 'We are strong believers that all men are created equal!' 'We hate bigoted racists and wish for peace and equality amongst all mankind!'We love every one and we strongly promote diversity

Aside from the extreme hypocrisy contained in the last two sentences (loving everyone, peace and equality amongst all mankind, and yet you hate those bigoted racists), this is just a blatant example of a police state method of forcing your world-view of a diverse, equal world on those who do not want it.

These people on here represent , unfortunately a blind majority. They follow orders, listen to mass reaction, sell out both their nations and their race, and allow the Multiculturalist and Zionist to trample all over them. Its indeed a travesty, and one that will soon become irreversable . The essence of National Socialism is unifying a people under social and racial code, restoring sanity and integrity to all values and virtues of a European people, as well as all of our public administrations .

You wish to support a false ideology such as Communism, Marxism, Multiculturalism, or Zionism???? They have caused hundreds of millions of deaths, from the egalitarian and Zionist-led "freedom" from Russia, China, Africa, South America, Palestine, as well as cultural de-evolution and complete destruction among several groups of indigenous and autonomous people, and now it engulfs the rest of the Western World, like a plague of Southside Chicago orks descending on our children. I am in the National Alliance, but kameraden it matters not what racialist or nationalist organization you are in, as long as your ideology is true, and you represent a Vanguard for the future of our children. So we can continue reaching towards the stars, as Western man envisioned, and so we may be able to see White children prospering and advancing under the graze of our sires 10,000 years from now.

They can never break our dedication and steadfast resolve, NEVER. Our ideology is as true as a ray of light penetrating the darkness from the heavens, or the most amazing scientific breakthroughs due to the European mind , as strong as the most refined steel to withstand blow after blow of natural corrosion, and as pure as the European child, which is now being introduced to multicultural suicide and racial miscegenation. These lemmings do indeed represent a group of individuals without souls, without purpose, and without existence. They live off of greed, racial and cultural destruction, and are rewarded when they remain total oblivious to the truth.

They support racial and cultural miscegenation in our public administrations and social constructs, they pass and enact legislation promoting even more Zionist and Egalitarian control, and basically impose a racially Communist mentality, not letting a true national and true racial people achieve their destinies. This is what I fight for, I fight for my children, I fight for comrades who perished knowing the true meaning of ideology, and I fight for a civilization that is naked and impressionable, and on the verge of collapse, in serious need of new cultural and ideological renewal. Yes kameraden, this DOES surpass merely a videogame, this represents free speech, and the ability for a people to claim their destiny. These lemmings of society and greed, who represent red front and mass reaction, shall not break our spirits, nor dampen the heart of the European woman or man. When I look into my wifes eyes, and soon my childrens' eyes, I see the glory and the spirit of Europe, of a racial creed that has been unmatched, and one which has been abused time and time again.

Our current situation is perilous indeed, but we as a people have been through more difficult times, and will endure worse in the future. I ask for consolidation and unity of ALL European racialists and nationalists, to represent a majority of realistic opinion and true ideology, in NationStates, to show our message is a beacon of life and truth to our kindred, and not a message of death and blatant racial / cultural suicide. No kameraden, these lemmings are merely tools of the true egalitarian capitalist, and of the zionist, and they can be transfixed with an ideology of hope, and if they dont then they are truly lost. They enjoy selling their race and nation out, watching their silverbacks run up and down the field with various balls, and smile as their Civilization is gangraped by deviant Untermensch from all directions of the globe. Our fight is for solidarity of a National Socialist Vanguard, one of truth - principle - determination - glory - honor - survival - advancement. Securing and advancing Western civilization, and enhancing our racial creed to evolve into the national state itself, is the only resolve. We control the state, the state does not control us ! Our measure of dignity is only one that God or Nation itself can determine, no other. When the banners and the flags of our ideology are unfurled, the coward lemmings run. When the consumerist and the Capitalist pig hear our battle song, they hide. And when the Zionist and Multiculturalist know of our presence, their last words will be muttled from the piano wire noose around their necks ! If they wish to destroy the people of Europa, than our only choice is to react with measures of survival and ultimate resolve. We will emerge triumphant, and we will maintain the Vanguard of our kindred , as both a representation on NationStates AND in reality, regardless of what organization you are in: whether its National Alliance, Aryan Nations, WCOTC, NSM, NSA, NSF(Sweden), C18 Europe, B&H Europe, NPD (Deutschland), or a hundred other racialist and nationalist organizations I did not mention. Our ideology is true, as well as our spirit. The Nationalist Socialist ideal is the only true savior of our planet, and for this we must be victorious. One Folk, One Faith, One Destiny -- Hail Victory!

Well fortunately your tiny minority is tiny enough to be successfully ignored.
As for millions of deaths... I find it difficult to keep a straight face when being lectured about matters such as that by a Nazi.

Anyway, this forum isn't for debate. Keep that to General.

Minority? lol.... you would be suprised, the organization I am in (National Alliance) in America has grown by 50% alone in 2002, and its increasing daily. Our weekly ADV broadcast on http://www.natall.com gets more listeners than many nationwide radio broadcasts, and our news alternative website http://www.nationalvanguard.org gets more hits than several Virginia newspaper websites combined, as they are both located in W. Virginia and Virginia. Your number is actually the one that is decreasing, as men and women of European ancestry become aware of the Eternal Flame in all of our hearts, and realize our true potential. Hey, its 6pm, time for the DailyJews on one of your Boobus Americanus television channels. Then afterwards, enjoy watching silverback gorillas with enthusiasm bouncing and catching balls. A flag in one hand and a box of Dunkin' Donuts in other. Yea lets consolidate under a nationally corrupt system of global expansion, extreme zionism, and enforced multiculturalism as AMERICA'S TRUTH, but god forbid any true racial or social unity is stressed, eeeeew how racist and "white male" of you. Funny thing is I know more racially aware women than men, which means more offspring that know the truth, not some pencil-pushing monkey-loving jew-paycheck receiving consumer culture zombie like you.True patriotism? You are the true ideal of sloth and greed, and complete demise. Zionist pig , you should be sterilized. THANK ODIN for HIV , and impressionable morons like this, hopefully you will contract it someday through your multicultural obsession.

Well fortunately your tiny minority is tiny enough to be successfully ignored.
As for millions of deaths... I find it difficult to keep a straight face when being lectured about matters such as that by a Nazi.

Anyway, this forum isn't for debate. Keep that to General.
Who exactly do you think you are? You have no responsibility or 'authority' in the Moderation forum, yet you constantly pretend as though you do. Mind your own business. If the Mods. would do their jobs for everybody, regardless of who they are, nobody would even bother with these miserable forums anymore. People bring these 'debates' on themselves because they simply won't stay out of the regions that offend them so. They cause the trouble and always have.

Myrth is a time-serving trouble-maker from Europe who bosses people around there like he owns the place. He's also an avowed Communist. Just ignore him and he'll go away.
As for the NDA, I'm not a part of it but I agree with its principles. The fact that some leftist mod took it upon himself to rewrite its world factbook entry according to his own nauseating political prejudices is a travesty of the role of the moderator in Nation States. I've never heard of anything like it before, and it shows the political bias that exists. If you're a communist region they leave you alone. If you're far-right you get targetted. Hypocrisy.

Anyway, this forum isn't for debate. Keep that to General.

Speaking as a veteran player but non-moderator, I believe that Myrth is correct.

Now, could the mods please split and move to General so that we can debate the Nazis? :twisted:

Remember, Goobergunch, do not flame flamers, do not spam spammers, do not grief griefers, and do not feed trolls. As tempting as it is....

Although not a member of the NDA,I must echoe the sentiments of Europa-Weisse and The New American Reich.

It's a sad day when the mods themselves practice griefing by modifying the factbook of any region.

Remember, Goobergunch, do not flame flamers, do not spam spammers, do not grief griefers, and do not feed trolls. As tempting as it is....

Who put that there? o.O

Well fortunately your tiny minority is tiny enough to be successfully ignored.
As for millions of deaths... I find it difficult to keep a straight face when being lectured about matters such as that by a Nazi.

Anyway, this forum isn't for debate. Keep that to General.

Oh yes, the Holocaust. Don't make me laugh.

The simple fact is that the Nazis never intended the complete extermination of the Jews, because, frankly, they didn't give a rat's a** about them once they were out of Germany. Nazi Germany was not created for the benefit of the Jude and Farbiger, it was created for Germans and Germans alone. After the Jews were expulsed, but still in Nazi control due to the occupation of Poland, the Nazis simply put them to work and let them starve, and killed off the excess. The leading cause of death among concentration camp prisoners was malnutrition and starvation, not gassings.

Your beloved Communists, however, intentionally slaughtered millions upon millions of their own people, their own racial brothers and sisters. This, to me, is utterly abominable, and embodies the height of racial traitor.

Remember, Goobergunch, do not flame flamers, do not spam spammers, do not grief griefers, and do not feed trolls. As tempting as it is....

Who put that there? o.O

That would be me.

Fellow fascists, I wouldn't bother wasting your breath on these people. They're just blinded by unreasoning hate. There's no appealing to bigots and the closed-minded.

Fellow fascists, I wouldn't bother wasting your breath on these people. They're just blinded by unreasoning hate. There's no appealing to bigots and the closed-minded.
LolL that's funny :D

Neut is the only moderator to have posted on this thread so far:

I think not.

See, here at NationStates.net we allow anyone with a political belief system is allowed to post their beliefs as long as they do not cross certain lines. In a nutshell, we allow, and encourage even, discussion from all different political spectrums.

In essence, you must remember that not all political ideologies will mesh with yours and regardless of your personal feelings towards certain ideologies they have as much of a right to post their political beliefs as any other person on this site.

After all, what is the point of allowing political discussion if we only allow discussions among those who hail from ideologies everyone likes to hear and/or see?

Simply put: just because you dont agree and/or dislike a political party does not mean said political party represents any less a political belief as you represent and therefore, members of said political party have just as much of a right to post their beliefs as you do.

If that is the case then why was the World Factbook Entry for the region changed. The moderators keep telling us it is impossible to hack into regioal control, therefore I can only conclude that it was the work of a moderator. If this is the case then I believe that an explanation of their actions is required.

WTF? I thought that you guys went out with the occupation of Germany at the end of the Second World War. Where, I remind you, Germany was defeated not just by the incompetence of its leadership, but also by the alliance of the so-called "inferior races". And to the dumb fuck who mentioned Poland was occupied and that Jews were only killed there because it was basically an extension of Germany. What about France? Belgium? Austria? Checklosovakia? The Netherlands? Russia? And many other nations that were invaded and occupied by the Nazi's where Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and many other people were killed just because they opposed the dictatorship were killed. Concentration Camps were not only limited to Germany and Poland. Dozens were located in France and thought the rest of Europe. You insult us for being hypocritical. The Nazi’s killed well over six million people, and how about how you conveniently forgot to mention how Nazi thugs pillaged and raped their way through Europe. Taking what they wanted when they wanted. And if some town resisted the pillaging, they were killed, sent off to the camps, and the town, if small enough, was razed. People like you abuse the game and ruin it for the rest of us. I am all for free speech and different political systems, but not the Nazi’s, or Communists (they were on par with the Nazi’s with the atrocities that they committed). The system of government that the Nazi’s represent has been proven to be both obscene and threatening, and thus violating NationStates policy. So I am begging the people of NationStates to ban these violators before they cause any more grief. The Nazi’s are obscene to all that oppose them as proven by earlier posts in this thread. The Nazi’s have threatened and killed non-whites and opposes over 60 years ago, and these people want to bring it back. Do not let the sacrifices of a generation of our grandparents mean nothing.

Let us not forget that day by day, Israel kills numerous Palestinians. The United States backs Israel, and helps the Zionists by attacking other Middle Eastern countries, such as Iraq. This is present day.

Israel was formed about sixty years ago as a country for Zionist Jews, who, up until then, had no real 'homeland'. They blatantly invaded Palestinian land, and the conflict heightens every day.

The United States' own present government seems to condone the Zionist ideals, judging by the corporations, media, and multiracialism. What has thid gotten us? Poverty, brainwashed teenagers on skateboards, and a huge economic deficit. The education system suffers under-funding, so our children may never be educated, an expensive health-care system, and a huge army meant for doing the Jews' dirty work.

Even it is not the Jews that are behind this, you cannot deny that these problems exist. And don't give me any shit about our presidents being White. Where do you think they get the money to fund their campaigns? How do they broadcast their public addresses and speeches? The answer is the corporations and the media. If you take any three large media corporations, and take a look at the CEOs' backgrounds, you will most likely turn up with Jews. I believe that the reason why so many are so unaware of this is because of the stealth being used to destroy our country from the inside, out. This would also explain why we have so many White presidents. It also explains why so many Republican presidents are absolute idiots. Decisions are channeled, and if the president is truely that idiotic, then he will execute the decision, dealing a major blow to the nation in a White man's name. Whenever a decision is made, the top ranking official's name pops up. Hitler was up-front with his plans, and he was rightfully creditted, though I have some skepticism as to what his plans were.

Oh dear, it seems I have been ranting. I have to stop doing that. One last thing: You call us politically incorrect? 'Nazi' is not PC the last time I checked; The party's name is the NSDAP, or Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeitpartie, or National Socialist German Workers' Party. I don't know where the term 'Nazi' showed up, but I do know that it is a shortened version of 'National Sozialismus', or National Socialism. It doesn't make much sense to call someone a National Socialism, so be a little more PC next time. And please also keep in mind that not all of us who believe in White pride are necessarily Socialists.

It looks as though you'll be debating only 1 or 2 nazis....I smell puppets.

Political differeneces aside, I still refuse to accept that people like "Nazi Deutschland Axis" use the name of my holy father-land to promote their (using a carefully selected formulation) questionable and highly controversial ideologies. That´s why I´d ask again for the intervention of a moderator.

I hope everyone involved can understand and accept this.

Regards

Political differeneces aside, I still refuse to accept that people like "Nazi Deutschland Axis" use the name of my holy father-land to promote their (using a carefully selected formulation) questionable and highly controversial ideologies. That´s why I´d ask again for the intervention of a moderator.

I hope everyone involved can understand and accept this.

Regards

Sir/Ma'am,

I am also of German descent. My Paternal Grandparents were both born and raised in Germany. I take offence at Germans being labeled as Nazis without a second thought. However, that does not give me the right to deny the Nazis their right to post their beliefs. That does not mean there arent any lines, just that they have a right to post their political viewpoints in a non-flaming/flame-bait manner.

If that is the case then why was the World Factbook Entry for the region changed. The moderators keep telling us it is impossible to hack into regioal control, therefore I can only conclude that it was the work of a moderator. If this is the case then I believe that an explanation of their actions is required.

We give you the right to post YOUR opinions in a non-inflammatory manner. We do not give you the right to post links to other hate group sites, nor do we give you the right to simply cut/paste articles, posts, etc. by other people in an attempt to incite trouble.

Just because you can post here as a National Socialist does NOT mean you can post with impunity.

To everybody else posting here:


The political discussions do not belong here. Nor does flamebait have a place in our forums. Posting your beliefs - whether they be controversial or not - does not mean you can do so in an inciteful manner.

Sir/Ma'am,

I am also of German descent. My Paternal Grandparents were both born and raised in Germany. I take offence at Germans being labeled as Nazis without a second thought. However, that does not give me the right to deny the Nazis their right to post their beliefs. That does not mean there arent any lines, just that they have a right to post their political viewpoints in a non-flaming/flame-bait manner.

Freedom of speecha and thought ends where the individual or communal rights of others are violated. Which is the case.

Freedom of speecha and thought ends where the individual or communal rights of others are violated. Which is the case.

The question here is not one of rights, but of the terms and conditions which govern this site, and to which all who use it have consented.

So promoting hatred and nazism is okay and within the rules? Hmmm. I could have sworn such things could be called "offensive"/ "abusive". Using the 88-tag (8th letter of the ABC = H. HH = Heil Hitler), SS-runes/ similar nazi paraphernalia/ symbolica as national flags, using concentration camp credos as national motto AND linking to the webpage of a hate-group is within the rules? Now if that´s not offensive then what is "offensive". Waving my naked butt in public?

Wow.

Some strange rules I must say...

Especially when the chpas involved are serious about it and don´t parodize AND admit it.

You might want to take a closer look at their in-game regional message board, their flags and their credos sometime.

.....................is within the rules? Now if that´s not offensive then what is "offensive". Waving my naked butt in public?............

Well I don't know how you butt looks but it could get nasty. :wink:

Your remark is exactly on target. The standard (at least the standard as used by the Mods in their rulings) here is the American view on "offensive". Here in NS as well as in the United States a naked butt or breast is considered more offensive then racist and discriminating remarks. This is fortunately here in Europe the other way round. Most European countries all Fascist literature, flags and other paraphernalia are forbidden by law. And a naked breast on TV on prime-time is no exception. In my opinion a much healthier climate but here in NS I have to respect the double standard or just quit. And if they stay in their own region just talking to themselves it is okay by me.

It is different when fascist nations go outside their region and go to, for example some Jewish region and hang their SS-flags under the noses of the players there. Then in my opinion it MUST be considered offensive.

Just for the record, we do have a lot of mods that are not from the United States. I'm not from the USA and either is a few others. It's about even.

Most European countries all Fascist literature, flags and other paraphernalia are forbidden by law. And a naked breast on TV on prime-time is no exception. In my opinion a much healthier climate but here in NS I have to respect the double standard or just quit. And if they stay in their own region just talking to themselves it is okay by me.

It's not so much a double standard as a different standard. The standard enforced here comes from current American cultural standards (well... as they are enforced by the majority white middleclass in the USA. One look at Jerry Springer will tell you there's a lot of people who don't quite walk within the stated bounds ;) ). While American culture has found its way to almost all corners of the world, its standards as to what constitutes 'obscene' has not. As such, I do not regard the rules as stated in the FAQ to be obvious, and I wish they were not enforced as if the American definition of 'obscene' is obvious to anyone on the entire planet.

No matter how hard I may try, I just cannot get myself to be offended by the view of a nipple.

Ballotonia

Just for the record, we do have a lot of mods that are not from the United States. I'm not from the USA and either is a few others. It's about even.

Could be, but I heard the story "the server is located in the US so...etc." once to often. And even if there are multiple non-US Mods you all have to draw the line somewhere otherwise there would be difference in rulings. The sad thing the line that is drawn most times is an American one. Pity. It could be more fun if the influence of the non-Americans was increased some more. Another possibility is that the European Mods are hand-picked for their compliance to the US-standards.

Edit: BTW, I am sure most US-Mods don't reside in a Liberal city like San Francisco. Correct me if I am wrong but they are more of the conservative kind.

Just for the record, we do have a lot of mods that are not from the United States. I'm not from the USA and either is a few others. It's about even.

Could be, but I heard the story "the server is located in the US so...etc." once to often. And even if there are multiple non-US Mods you all have to draw the line somewhere otherwise there would be difference in rulings. The sad thing the line that is drawn most times is an American one. Pity. It could be more fun if the influence of the non-Americans was increased some more. Another possibility is that the European Mods are hand-picked for their compliance to the US-standards.

Edit: BTW, I am sure most US-Mods don't reside in a Liberal city like San Francisco. Correct me if I am wrong but they are more of the conservative kind.

Well, I'm personally in Canada.. However, where the mods are from is some what irrelevant. Moderators don't make the rules, we simply enforce them. Some times we do have to make judgement calls based on those rules and it's some time left up to the mod to interpret those rules. However, the rules are actually made by Max Barry as this is his site and he is an Australian.. so.. I'm not sure the rules are per se conceived with American values in mind. However, I suppose each person will view it as they feel it seems to fit. I think most of the rules just make common sense more then any thing else.

We have both liberal & conservative moderators. I don't think it's a big secret for example that I am a liberal.. where as Neut is a conservative.. but it doesn't affect how we moderate because we don't make the rules.

Just for the record, we do have a lot of mods that are not from the United States. I'm not from the USA and either is a few others. It's about even.

Could be, but I heard the story "the server is located in the US so...etc." once to often. And even if there are multiple non-US Mods you all have to draw the line somewhere otherwise there would be difference in rulings. The sad thing the line that is drawn most times is an American one. Pity. It could be more fun if the influence of the non-Americans was increased some more. Another possibility is that the European Mods are hand-picked for their compliance to the US-standards.

Edit: BTW, I am sure most US-Mods don't reside in a Liberal city like San Francisco. Correct me if I am wrong but they are more of the conservative kind.

Well, I'm personally in Canada.. However, where the mods are from is some what irrelevant. Moderators don't make the rules, we simply enforce them. Some times we do have to make judgement calls based on those rules and it's some time left up to the mod to interpret those rules. However, the rules are actually made by Max Barry as this is his site and he is an Australian.. so.. I'm not sure the rules are per se conceived with American values in mind. However, I suppose each person will view it as they feel it seems to fit. I think most of the rules just make common sense more then any thing else.

We have both liberal & conservative moderators. I don't think it's a big secret for example that I am a liberal.. where as Neut is a conservative.. but it doesn't affect how we moderate because we don't make the rules.



Some times we do have to make judgement calls based on those rules and it's some time left up to the mod to interpret those rules.

Just as Nietzsche once said; there are no facts, only interpretations. Determining a term as “offensive” is mostly interpretation. Jurisprudence often has more impact then the law. Same here in NS.

. However, the rules are actually made by Max Barry as this is his site and he is an Australian.. so.. I'm not sure the rules are per se conceived with American values in mind.

Perhaps Max did have a good lawyer. Again, the server is in the US so you have to abide US-laws and keep in mind you can earn millions in a lawsuit about coffee spilled in you groin.


I think most of the rules just make common sense more then any thing else.

In some cultures it is common sense to cut ones hand of when caught stealing. “Common sense” is formed by culture, religion, social environment.


We have both liberal & conservative moderators. I don't think it's a big secret for example that I am a liberal.. where as Neut is a conservative.. but it doesn't affect how we moderate because we don't make the rules.

Nope but my position is that although you don’t make the rules your influence within the game is more substantial then the rules itself and therefor the way you look at the world is also of influence. Because being a Mod does not exclude you from being human. Thank god for that although with some Mods I sometimes doubt. :?

:arrow: General??


Nazis are hardly victimised. When did you last see a Klan member strung up on a lonely road in Wyoming? And to the one who posted the paradox of tolerance, wow, you've discovered an A-level grade philosophical arguement. Kudos. :roll:

Can none of you even be remotely individual? Some kind of arguement I haven't heard before? Anyway, I'm going to deny the Stalinist genocide, the Israeli/Palestianian apatheid, the Mugabe genocides, and just about any other historical event or events that prove your point, until you admit that the Nazi Holocaust has forever lain a taint upon National Socialism.

Lack of hipocracy? You protest against how you suffer intolerance, and practice it twice as hard.

Anyway, my 14 words.

"We must promote the survival of all races and a future free of hatred"

We have both liberal & conservative moderators. I don't think it's a big secret for example that I am a liberal.. where as Neut is a conservative.. but it doesn't affect how we moderate because we don't make the rules.Exactly. If Nazis get deleted in disproportionate amounts, its because they disproportionatly get caught breaking the rules.

Your beloved Communists, however, intentionally slaughtered millions upon millions of their own people, their own racial brothers and sisters. This, to me, is utterly abominable, and embodies the height of racial traitor.I deny it. Communists never killed a soul. Not a single one of them. And you can't find any non-capitalist source that says they do.

I only have to look at the deeds of the Nazis to see in detail all the imperfections of the white race. Ironic how you people are proof positive against your own theories.

Your beloved Communists, however, intentionally slaughtered millions upon millions of their own people, their own racial brothers and sisters. This, to me, is utterly abominable, and embodies the height of racial traitor.I deny it. Communists never killed a soul. Not a single one of them. And you can't find any non-capitalist source that says they do.

I only have to look at the deeds of the Nazis to see in detail all the imperfections of the white race. Ironic how you people are proof positive against your own theories.

Indeed. Stalin != communist.

@ Mods, can we not have all the off-topic stuff split off to General?

Let me, once again, explain our position.

This is a POLITICALLY natured site. Therefore, ALL political beliefs are allowed to be defended/discussed here.

Just because we allow it does not mean we agree with it. I personally dont agree with the National Socialist beliefs, but I will defend their ability to defend their beliefs in a non-inflammatory manner.

The honest truth has been that I have observed just as many anti-Nazis breaking the rules concerning flaming/offensive posts as I have Nazis.

Accusations of using an Americanized definition of offensive is only 'accurate' because we have a very widespread user base, and as such, must tend to rule in a more conservative manner - not because a number of Mods are American, but rather, because members of this site include children and more conservative persons than yourselves. Not to mention, the baring of a breast is defined as pornography...but I guess that would just be splitting hairs, right?

And, to all those who claim that freedom of speech ends where the individual or communal rights of others are violated, I ask you what rights were violated? Also, before you respond, I remind you that I was not basing my post on the US Constitution, but on the rules Max has set forth.

To those that complain that Nazis are allowed to insult Jews by joining a Jewish region and rubbing their flag/motto/etc in the Jews' faces, I concur that such actions are deplorable and constitute a different form of griefing/flaming/what have you. Remember, vice versa applies as well. Such actions, however, can only be dealt with by Moderators if they are reported to Moderators.

Much the same as the flamebait posted in General can only be dealt with if brought to the Moderators attention. Many can assure you that I have cleaned General many a time concerning this issue, and if necessary, I will do so again. But I will NOT deny National Socialists the ability to present or defend their beliefs if done in the proper manner.

Once again, I ask those of you who wish to discuss the validity of the National Socialist belief system to take it to the General forum. Moderation is not the place to discuss this, and I only allow this thread to continue because it is discussing Mod actions concerning National Socialists/Nazis.

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Need I say more there?

Neut, I agree with your entire post, with the exception of this one item:

Not to mention, the baring of a breast is defined as pornography...

Not where I live.

From the "Van Dale", which is the premier dictionary for Dutch language:
1 literatuur, film enz. met een sterke nadruk op seksualiteit, bedoeld om iem. erotisch te prikkelen => pornografie, vuilschrijverij

Translated: literature, movies, etc... with a strong emphasis on sexuality, intended to stimulate erotically => pornography

Note the inclusion of 'strong emphasis' and 'intended to'. Within the culture I was raised, merely the display of a breast does NOT constitute pornography in and of itself. It could be used in that manner, but it highly depends on context.

And that's the point I was trying to make. I do not in any way object to the rules as they are. A line has to be drawn, and the current one is it. So be it. What I DO regret and object to is the tendency to regard this line to be obvious to everybody when keywords such as 'obscene', and in this case 'pornography' are being dropped.

Words have meaning, and their meaning will vary from one place to the other. Another good example of this effect in the context of this game is the word 'liberal'. Liberals are considered right-wing where I live, as they are in favor of free market, etc... The average 'tree hugging hippie' doesn't even remotely qualify for the label 'liberal' around here. ;)

Ballotonia

Let me, once again, explain our position.

This is a POLITICALLY natured site. Therefore, ALL political beliefs are allowed to be defended/discussed here.

Just because we allow it does not mean we agree with it. I personally dont agree with the National Socialist beliefs, but I will defend their ability to defend their beliefs in a non-inflammatory manner.

The honest truth has been that I have observed just as many anti-Nazis breaking the rules concerning flaming/offensive posts as I have Nazis.

Accusations of using an Americanized definition of offensive is only 'accurate' because we have a very widespread user base, and as such, must tend to rule in a more conservative manner - not because a number of Mods are American, but rather, because members of this site include children and more conservative persons than yourselves. Not to mention, the baring of a breast is defined as pornography...but I guess that would just be splitting hairs, right?

And, to all those who claim that freedom of speech ends where the individual or communal rights of others are violated, I ask you what rights were violated? Also, before you respond, I remind you that I was not basing my post on the US Constitution, but on the rules Max has set forth.

To those that complain that Nazis are allowed to insult Jews by joining a Jewish region and rubbing their flag/motto/etc in the Jews' faces, I concur that such actions are deplorable and constitute a different form of griefing/flaming/what have you. Remember, vice versa applies as well. Such actions, however, can only be dealt with by Moderators if they are reported to Moderators.

Much the same as the flamebait posted in General can only be dealt with if brought to the Moderators attention. Many can assure you that I have cleaned General many a time concerning this issue, and if necessary, I will do so again. But I will NOT deny National Socialists the ability to present or defend their beliefs if done in the proper manner.

Once again, I ask those of you who wish to discuss the validity of the National Socialist belief system to take it to the General forum. Moderation is not the place to discuss this, and I only allow this thread to continue because it is discussing Mod actions concerning National Socialists/Nazis.

This is a POLITICALLY natured site. Therefore, ALL political beliefs are allowed to be defended/discussed here.
The political doctrine in Europe is in general that some political beliefs are that offensive that some ways of expressing those beliefs are forbidden by law. We, Holland, have a constitution that gives us the right to say almost anything. Almost. Up to a point where you start being racist. Right there the feelings of many prevail over the freedom of speech. And that is the right way because the majority should be protected by law from unnecessary offence by a very small minority.

Accusations of using an Americanized definition of offensive is only 'accurate' because we have a very widespread user base, and as such, must tend to rule in a more conservative manner - not because a number of Mods are American, but rather, because members of this site include children and more conservative persons than yourselves. Not to mention, the baring of a breast is defined as pornography...but I guess that would just be splitting hairs, right?
Exactly my point. The baring of a naked breast is considered in the US as pornography. We consider it, depending on the breast, as a nice view. Bare breasts here on big billboards. So the American values rule NS. (Not saying that is a bad thing. I got no appetite for bare breasts in NS)


But I will NOT deny National Socialists the ability to present or defend their beliefs if done in the proper manner.

And here the double standard kicks in. You are not willing to protect the general NS public from their offensive fascist viewpoints BUT you will protect a minority that considers a bare breast is pornography. Okay it is Max his rule and you have to protect the minors and so on but don’t deny the double standard. In my opinion it is more important that minors are protected by the message of some fascist nations. In my opinion the view on a breast is less harmful for a minor than the racial hatred as shown by some. And I feel sorry for any society, RL or virtual, that doesn’t.

And here the double standard kicks in. You are not willing to protect the general NS public from their offensive fascist viewpoints BUT you will protect a minority that considers a bare breast is pornography. Okay it is Max his rule and you have to protect the minors and so on but don’t deny the double standard. In my opinion it is more important that minors are protected by the message of some fascist nations. In my opinion the view on a breast is less harmful for a minor than the racial hatred as shown by some. And I feel sorry for any society, RL or virtual, that doesn’t.I think that this is a very good point. The double standard however is Max's, not the moderators, as he has taken the stance that political views have a place on this site whereas nudity does not.

I agree with everything you're saying God is a Concept, but the rules on the site are still going to swing the other way.

political views have a place on this site whereas nudity does not.

And here is exactly why obscene is not allowed and politics are - regardless of which is more offensive to whomever. Politics belong here, nudity does not.

political views have a place on this site whereas nudity does not.

And here is exactly why obscene is not allowed and politics are - regardless of which is more offensive to whomever. Politics belong here, nudity does not.

Well that is what I wrote. My point is that you don't talk with Fascists or accept their way of thinking. You treat them like inhabitants of a Leper colony. No political discussion or accepting any form of communication by them other than among themselves. Matter of hygiene. You don't want crawly little bacteria out of their controlled environment.

Since the actual topic of discussion has changed sufficiently not to warrant this thread to bear its original title, I'm locking it until a decision is made as to where some or all of it should move.

Regarding the location of the server - a large number of the arguments do not necessarily hold water, due to the fact that the server is private property and also the fact that Internet Law, while still an evolving area of jurisprudence, seems to be placing at least some emphasis on the place in which the site is viewed, rather than exclusively where it is hosted. Nevertheless, legal and political argument - particularly of the long-post type - belongs in General rather than Moderation.