NationStates Jolt Archive

I refounded the region "Mercia" and decided to let the founder nation die. This is because I didn't want to have the security of a founder, as I think it leads to stagnation. As Spoffin I am the delegate of Mercia. (although not currently as I was on an invasion last night, but I do fully intend to be the delegate again soon.) When I exercise regional control (with my delegate nation), can I do the things which a founder would be allowed to (such as kick out loads of people) or would that be ruled as griefing? Does this change when the founder nation dies?

My query is based on (what I believe I have heard ruled) that you can be re-instated as the founder if you can prove that you originally founded the region.

Did your delegate nation found the region?

If you were indeed the founder, I think it would be easy to make this new nation the founder.

Personally I don't see the difference between a founder and his/her puppets. It's only a name difference.

No, from what I can see, he used a puppet to refound it, and his main nation is usually the Delegate.

Spoffin was really the only one who needed to answer ;)

And there is a difference. Spoffin intentionally allowed his founding nation to decease to allow for invasions. Therefore, I say, you reap what you sow. Foundership is not changed between nations at their owner's whim. Nor can a delegate (regardless of his/her affiliation with the founding nation, and/or whether the founder is still around) acquire/use the rights of the founder.

Neut, that is a excellent answer, although I do like Spofins concept of keeping the possibility of invasion open.

Couldn't you just have the founding nation resurrected?

(or did you do the random-string-password-no-email death?)

Couldn't you just have the founding nation resurrected?

He doesn't want a Founder. He just wants Founder privilages for the Delegate. (Which, as Neut explained, he can't have.)

Couldn't you just have the founding nation resurrected?

He doesn't want a Founder. He just wants Founder privilages for the Delegate. (Which, as Neut explained, he can't have.)
Well, since he is in control of the founding nation, he could only use it when he is delegate of the region...

Did your delegate nation found the region?

Seems a bit hard, since Spoffin said in his post before..

I refounded the region "Mercia" and decided to let the founder nation die.

:lol:

Couldn't you just have the founding nation resurrected?

He doesn't want a Founder. He just wants Founder privilages for the Delegate. (Which, as Neut explained, he can't have.)
Well, since he is in control of the founding nation, he could only use it when he is delegate of the region...

Nope...as has been clearly stated:

Founders are the only nations allowed founder rights. No other nation may assume those rights. Period. Regardless of ownership. Only in very special/rare cases are new founders appointed to a region.

Well, since he is in control of the founding nation, he could only use it when he is delegate of the region...

Nope...as has been clearly stated:

Founders are the only nations allowed founder rights. No other nation may assume those rights. Period. Regardless of ownership. Only in very special/rare cases are new founders appointed to a region.
What I meant was that since he controlls the founder nation (I'll look up the name for clarities sake: "-mecia-"), he could only do things with "-mercia-" when "Spoffin" is the delegate. Of course this assumes that he still has the password.

I thought it was clear that since the founder nation =/= delegate nation, the delegate nation cannot exercise the founder rights.

Sorry, I realise from some responses this is a confusing issue and I probably didn't explain it this well. I don't want to have the founder abilities (permanent position, access to region control when you're out of the region etc), but I might have an interest in having the founder rights (right to clear out your region of many members/ invaders, spam messages off the regional board etc). These are things which only founders are allowed to do, not things that only the founder is able to do. Just so this is clear.

Oh, and yes, I do still have the password so it could be revived if necessary, though obviously I don't especially want to do that.

You do realise that the simplest solution to this problem is to revive the founder, and simply not use the founder abilities you don't like, right?

One more time:


Delegate =/= Founder regardless of who owns the nations.

Therefore, Delegates cannot use the abilities/rights accorded to founders.