Hirgizstan
19-03-2004, 22:31
I am writing here as a last straw. Recently a bunch of nations from the region of 'Ireland' invaded Northern Ireland after a delegate of theirs took power, since i was not in the UN i could not do anything. Since that day the Irish nations have tried to 're-unify' Northern Ireland and Ireland, in real life this is a breach of several political acts and a breach of the Belfast Agreement. Though i am aware that does not apply to NS.
Since they arrived they have seen fit to kick out numerous NATIVE nations in NI, including myself on several occasions. In the actual NS game we signed a treaty, the ACPAT protecting Northern Ireland from such invasion and this has been duly ignored. Certain Irish nations that did invade NI are now calling for their freinds to pull out and leave us alone but the current delegate wants to make reunification a UN proposal and the point is that ALL OF THE NATIVE NATIONS IN NORTHERN IRELAND ARE FIRMLY AGAINST REUNIFICATION IN THE GAME. It is not fair on the native nations as we are helpless to do anything to get our homeland back and as a final request after being ejected once again i came here to try and seek a moderators support.
Please help us, it is not fair in the least.
Goobergunchia
19-03-2004, 23:17
This is a case for the Getting Help (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) page.
Observed:
Northern Ireland
World Factbook Entry: Welcome to an Irish Northern Ireland, a land of blue mountains & forest parks, mazy lakes & windswept moors, white Atlantic sands & an inland sea. The weather can be fickle but the rain keeps the land a magical emerald green. One people, One land. Erin go braugh! Rogue nations, invaders have been pouring in, so we've had to lock down, telegram the delegate for PW, if you feel you were unfairly booted please TG the delegate, state your case, and it will be reviewed. Our new bill, United Ireland Act, telegram all delegates you know to vote YES!
UN Delegate: The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian.
Northern Ireland contains 41 nations. [List all nations]
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Today's United Nations Report
The Largest Nations in Northern Ireland
The following nations have the greatest number of citizens.
# Nation UN Category Motto
1. The Sensible Nation of Waterford Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Socialism Kills, Capitalism Feeds!"
2. The British Crown Dependency of Southern Addiscombe Father Knows Best State "http://www.jeffmash.com/videos/BritFight.wmv"
3. The Grand Duchy of Atherton Father Knows Best State "Audentes fortuna iuvat"
4. The Shadow State of Cu Mara Left-Leaning College State "---+---"
5. The Celtic lands of MacCool Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "The Irish Rock!"
6. The Dirty Red State of Purple Things Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Get pissed"
7. The Kingdom of Azash Compulsory Consumerist State "God is the only one that truly loves this world"
8. The Communist European Union of ManUre hating people Father Knows Best State "Die red ManUtd scum (fans, players etc)! Muhahahahaha!"
9. The Imperium Hibernia of Irish-Americans Capitalist Paradise "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
10. The Kingdom of Who is da Daddy Corrupt Dictatorship "I'm a mushroom cloud laying mutha f*cka, mutha f*cka!"
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Regional Happenings
2 minutes ago: The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian removed The Borderlands of Inferiority from the regional ban list.
2 minutes ago: The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian removed The Kingdom of British Commonwealth from the regional ban list.
25 minutes ago: The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian changed the regional password.
97 minutes ago: The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian changed the regional password.
102 minutes ago: The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian updated the World Factbook entry.
106 minutes ago: The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian password-protected the region.
116 minutes ago: The British Crown Dependency of Southern Addiscombe arrived from Great Britain 3.
2 hours ago: The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian updated the World Factbook entry.
2 hours ago: The Punk-Rock Lands of Da Fightin Irish arrived from 32 County Irish Republic.
3 hours ago: The Tarot Readers of Gypsy Fortune Tellers departed this region for The Pacific
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Northern Ireland Civil Headquarters
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2 hours ago The Punk-Rock Lands of Da Fightin Irish Lads what the hell is going on here ,we cannot force another nation into reuniting with ireland when they obviosly don't want to.Look whats happened ,ever since wev'e got hear there has only been a huge uproar.If they dont want ot be ru-united then that means they don't are we so ignorant we cant take NO for an answer.Now you might be thinking that the might have "Converted" me to their side , no i havene't all im doing is playing this god damn game fairly ,we cannot and i stress this we cannot force another nation in to anything they obviosly dont want to do.All we we want is to have a god time playing this game ,we dont want fighting and roaring. All i have left to say is OPEN YOUR EYES.
DFI
2 hours ago The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian HA Good one Da fighting, you too daddy, anyhow we still have work to do clearly.
Help spread the word about our bill:
IMPORTANT !
United Ireland Act
The newest UN proposal, send this to as many regional delegates as you can, and please post this in your forum so this grassroots campaign may succeed. Every vote counts, we need yours, so please pass this around to as many regional delegates as you can from around the world, everyone has a part to play in the cause of freedom, so please vote in the UN immediately!
Cheers
2 hours ago The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian We have till monday to get 145 more delegates on board for our bill, get cracking!! We need to get the word out..
110 minutes ago The British Crown Dependency of Southern Addiscombe Prodigal Genian, this little United Ireland act will not go through. And I can tell you why, the game mods will NEVER allow this to go though. Because it will p!ss off an awful lot of people. And what you are proposing, is to make a RP game, real world. And this simply will not be done. Why dont I go and create Loyalist Northern Ireland act, and see how you like that one.
You cannot force people to like Ireland Joe, Da fightin Irish is right. You cannot force your will on people Joe, and you are forcing us to act. Very soon there will be an Army on the way. And it will be a big one. You are taking the peverbial p!ss Joe. These people chose to live in Norhtern Ireland on purpose. And you are attempting to dictate to them their prefrances. And I, and many others will not tolertate it.
SA
103 minutes ago The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian Due to the threat of invaders, who are clearly attempting to ruin the peaceful re-unification of the isle, we must lock down. Please telegram me for PW.
SA, although I appreciate your words we both know what is really going on here. The will of the majority of the 32 counties on NI are for the peaceful re-unification, and the will of an agressive and power hungry minority cannot stand in the way of the peaceful people of this region, part of the 32 counties of Ireland.
Please vote yes for the United Ireland Act, spread the word!
75 minutes ago The Confederacy of Flaniren To England: stay on your portion of your island (that means stay out of Wales and Scotland), and stay out of other people's countries!
75 minutes ago The Republic of Patriots of Erin Ireland is an ancient nation which from earliest times had a distinct civilization. What made Ireland what she was was her people living within the whole island as a separate and distinct community, or nation, by virtue of a common system of law and culture and traditions and ways of life and not depending upon any particular political constitutions. While this lasted strangers who came were absorbed, and the national ways were not interfered with, and were such, by their attractiveness, as to enable strangers to become Irish easily and thoroughly.
Then came English interference, and her policy of robbery and exploitation, and when she had conquered us sufficiently she began to carry out her policy---to use us to feed and enrich herself. But having a complete nationhood of our own, which Britain had to acknowledge or to trample out of existence, and having a social system which suited us, and which gave our people security in all their rights and privileges, England found the execution of her policy, though helped by our geographical propinquity, a less easy task in Ireland than in her colonies, where there was no separate nationhood and no difference of social polity. England's idea was to make Ireland an English province. For her purposes Irish civilization was to be completely blotted out. The Gael was to go. Our lands were to be confiscated and given to aliens. Our industries were to be effectively destroyed. Everything that tended to remind us of the past, everything that tended to retain our Irish outlook, everything that helped to keep us a distinct people, everything that tended to keep alive in us our memories of our Gaelic civilization and of our Irish nationality, freedom, and prosperity, was to be obliterated. Her method even then was to divide and rule, setting chief against chief, as later she set religion against religion.
This policy could not succeed while we had a land system by which men's rights in the land were secure and impregnable. By means of wholesale commandeering the land was taken from the people, and the feudal system of tenure, a system admirably suited for the purpose of enslavement, was imposed. The free men of Ireland, whose rights had been rooted in the soil, became the tenants, the serfs, of the usurpers, and were completely at the mercy of their new masters, the landlords, who joined with the enemy in the policy of robbing, exploiting, and exterminating the Irish people. When England had succeeded in uprooting the old Irish system of land tenure under which everyone securely enjoyed land to cultivate and common rights of grazing, she had taken the biggest step in our subjection. It was only in so far as it attempted to reverse that subjection that the land campaign of the Davitt period was justified. In furtherance of the same policy the suppression of our industries was also necessary if Britain's desire was to be realised. It was doubly necessary. Our manufacturers competed too successfully with hers, and it was to be our privilege to exist, not as an industrial people, but for the purpose of providing England with an abundance of food. The destruction of our democratic Gaelic social system, the discouragement, the prohibition of all enterprise, leaving us only a slave life on the land, and the imposition upon us of an alien language, alien laws, alien ideas, made our subjugation complete. Our economic subjection was necessary that we might serve Britain's purposes. Our spiritual subjection was no less necessary that we might learn to forget our former national and economic freedom and acquiesce and grow passive in our servitude.
74 minutes ago The Republic of Patriots of Erin And we learned our lesson. We forgot our freedom. We forgot our language. We forgot our own native Irish ways. We forgot our Irish love and veneration for things of the mind and character, our pride in learning, in the arts for which we had been famous, in military skill, in athletic prowess, in all which had been our glory from the days of Cormac MacArt and St. Patrick and before them. We became the degraded and feeble imitators of our tyrants. English fashions, English material tastes and customs were introduced by the landlord class or adopted by them, and by a natural process they came to be associated in the minds of our people with gentility. The outward sign of a rise in the social scale became the extent to which we cast off everything which distinguished us as Irish and the success with which we imitated the enemy who despised us. And slavery still exists.
To-day in Ireland, although through improved economic conditions, which have been world-wide and in which it was not possible altogether to prevent us sharing, helped by a better living on the land, bought very dearly by the purchase back again of a great part of our country from those who had never any right to it, we have been lifted out of the worst slough of destitution; although we have been turning our eyes towards the light of liberty and learning to lift our heads again as Irish men and Irish women with a land of our own, and with traditions and hopes of which no nation need feel ashamed, yet still from east to west, from north to south, we are soaked, saturated, and stupefied with the English outlook. Only slowly, laboriously, do we turn in our chains and struggle to free ourselves from the degrading lie that what is English is necessarily respectable, and what is Irish, low and mean. Even at this moment when our daily papers and our weekly papers are writing of our newly-won freedom and rejoicing over our national hopes, they continue to announce in their leading columns the movements of English society and the births and marriages of upper-class English nonentities. But by the completeness with which England converted us into hewers of wood and drawers of water, she in the end defeated her own purpose. Feebly resisting at the moments when we were less completely crushed, when a brief interval came between the long periods of starvation, when we had a moment in which we could reflect upon our condition, we gradually awoke to the cause of our miseries, and we grew to learn if we would be economically free we must be nationally free, and if we would be spiritually free we must be nationally free. The coming and the presence of the English had deprived us of life and liberty. Their ways were not our ways. Their interests and their purposes meant our destruction. We must turn back again the wheels of that infamous machine which was destroying us. We must get the English out of Ireland. Repeal of the Union was little more than a cry gaining what real strength it had from the more vigorous hostility of the Young Ireland movement, which revived our old literature, which recovered Irish history, and spread a new spirit. That spirit was not wholly martial, The collapse came when in the hands of weaker men the national effort became concentrated at the foreign parliament on English political lines. The methods adopted by the parliamentarians, the forum they had chosen, made their crumbling an easy matter, and from the English point of view it greatly helped division in their ranks, and with division came the inevitable dissipation of energy. . The Gaelic revival and the learning of our national tongue were teaching a new national self-respect. We recalled the immortal tales of our ancient heroes, and we began to look to a future in which we could have a proud, free, distinct nation worthy of the past.
We learned that what we wanted was not a political form of Home Rule or any other kind or form of Home Rule, but a revival of Gaelic life and ways. Economic thought and study showed us that the poverty which afflicted us came from the presence of the English and their control over us; had come from landlordism and the drain of English taxation, the neglect of Irish resources, and the obstruction to Irish industries by the domination of the English Parliament. And we saw that we must manage these things for ourselves. And, besides the hope of material emancipation, we grew to think of love of our land, and all that it had given us and had still to give us, and what we could make of it when it was our own once more. And we became filled with a patriotic fervour before which, when the time came, force would prove impotent. The expression of this new hope and new courage manifested itself in the Easter Week Rising. Unless we were willing to fight for our Nation, even without any certainty of success, we acquiesced in the doctrine of our national identity with England. It embodied, too, for us the spirit of sacrifice, the maintenance of the ideal, the courage to die for it, so that military efforts were made in nearly every generation. It was a protest, too, against our anglicisation and demoralisation, a challenge of spirit against material power, and as such bore fruit.
74 minutes ago The Republic of Patriots of Erin The Rising of 1916 was the fruit.
It appeared at the time of the surrender to have failed, but that valiant effort and the martyrdoms which followed it finally awoke the sleeping spirit of Ireland.
It carried into the hearts of the people the flame which had been burning in those who had the vision to see the pit into which we were sinking deeper and deeper and who believed that a conflagration was necessary to reveal to their countrymen the road to national death upon which we were blindly treading.
The banner of Ireland's freedom had been raised and was carried forward. During the Rising the leaders of Easter Week `declared a Republic'. But not as a fact. We knew it was not a fact. It was a wonderful gesture---throwing down the gauntlet of defiance to the enemy, expressing to ourselves the complete freedom we aimed at, and for that reason was an inspiration to us.
The form of our government is our domestic Irish concern. It does not affect the fact of our national freedom. Our national freedom depends upon the extent to which we reverse the history of the last 800 years, the extent to which we get rid of the enemy and get rid of his control over our material and spiritual life.
73 minutes ago The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian Help spread the word about our bill:
IMPORTANT !
United Ireland Act
The newest UN proposal, send this to as many regional delegates as you can, and please post this in your forum so this grassroots campaign may succeed. Every vote counts, we need yours, so please pass this around to as many regional delegates as you can from around the world, everyone has a part to play in the cause of freedom, so please vote in the UN immediately!
Cheers
Celtayoshi
20-03-2004, 17:02
Liverpool England, the whole point is they brought RL politics into the region, and we don't want that, we don't want our region run by people from ireland, if we wanted that we would have gone to Ireland, but we chose to go to Northern Ireland, and we don't want RL poltics to be drawn into this
Hirgizstan
20-03-2004, 18:02
Today it seems to NI delegate just kicked out a bunch of other Native NI nations, as i understand this is against NS rules.
And as Celtayoshi says it was RL politics that brought Ireland to invade, they constantly talk about re-unification and past Irish history. They made RL into NS, we would like to get NI back to normal, it isn't fair, how would you feel if the same happend to your native region?
Tuesday Heights
20-03-2004, 18:32
Liverpool England, the whole point is they brought RL politics into the region, and we don't want that, we don't want our region run by people from ireland, if we wanted that we would have gone to Ireland, but we chose to go to Northern Ireland, and we don't want RL poltics to be drawn into this
This is a question for the mods: As long as the invasion is legal, does it matter if it is under the guise of RL politics?
The Most Glorious Hack
21-03-2004, 08:36
Since they arrived they have seen fit to kick out numerous NATIVE nations in NI, including myself on several occasions.
They appear to be unbanning the natives they eject. I can't currently do a full investigation right now, but I, or another Game Mod, will look into it.
In the actual NS game we signed a treaty, the ACPAT protecting Northern Ireland from such invasion and this has been duly ignored.
Irrelevant.
Certain Irish nations that did invade NI are now calling for their freinds to pull out and leave us alone but the current delegate wants to make reunification a UN proposal and the point is that ALL OF THE NATIVE NATIONS IN NORTHERN IRELAND ARE FIRMLY AGAINST REUNIFICATION IN THE GAME.
Such a proposal would not be an acceptable proposal, and would be deleted. You dislike of said proposed proposal is, again, irrelevent.
It is not fair on the native nations as we are helpless to do anything to get our homeland back and as a final request after being ejected once again i came here to try and seek a moderators support.
Please help us, it is not fair in the least.
If they invasion is legal and legit, there is nothing that we will (or can) do. Again, as long as an excessive number of nations aren't ejected, as long as those ejected are removed from that ban list, and as long as the password is distributed, the invasion is legal.
I would really appreciate mod input on how this is resolved. It is a murky blend of RP, RL and the game of NS. This would be a valuable learning experience for those that do not know all the fine points.
The reasons for an invasion don't matter in the slightest, only the method used. Why would we stop an invasion because it used the guise of real world politics? We don't stop (legal) invasions based on real world religion.
I got ejected again by The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian. This piece of trash lets me back in and then ejects me again for no reason with no warning whatsoever. This piece of trash can really kiss mine, I really think that actions like this really make this game very unpleasant.
Mm, that's called flaming, son. Like I said, if you don't like invasions, do something about it. They've been deemed legal, and even a part of the game play. You can stop them if you don't want them. It's your fault for not taking the steps necessary to prevent an invasion in the first place.
I got ejected again by The Holy Empire of Prodigal Fenian. This piece of trash lets me back in and then ejects me again for no reason with no warning whatsoever. This piece of trash can really kiss mine, I really think that actions like this really make this game very unpleasant.
Mm, that's called flaming, son. Like I said, if you don't like invasions, do something about it. They've been deemed legal, and even a part of the game play. You can stop them if you don't want them. It's your fault for not taking the steps necessary to prevent an invasion in the first place.
I have. I had my UN vote for someone that was against these guys who, if he won, would be able to control the regional bannings and ejections so don't tell me I haven't done anything to prevent them alright. Legal invasion is about worth as much as nothing. Well it's a shame that whole region went to crap.