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Question about invasion.

TROUSRS
01-03-2004, 01:29
I saw a moderator post that you can boot a native as long as you immediatly remove them from the ban list. So lets say a region has.. 15 natives, the invader could boot all 15 as long as they are removed from the banned list, right?
01-03-2004, 01:40
You also have to give them all the password if you change it and allow the natives to get back in.
TROUSRS
01-03-2004, 02:16
Mkay, I don't care for passwords.

But I can eject everyone as long as i remove them from the banned list, correct?
Tuesday Heights
01-03-2004, 02:44
Yes, so long as you unban them immediately after ejecting them.
TROUSRS
01-03-2004, 02:53
Yes, so long as you unban them immediately after ejecting them.

Alright thanks.



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Goobergunchia
01-03-2004, 03:02
Seems rather dodgy to me....I've always sworn by the 30%/40% rule.

Personally, I wouldn't do it unless the mods specifically ruled it legal - especially if it caused the region to be emptied and then recreated by an invader.
Tuesday Heights
01-03-2004, 03:22
Seems rather dodgy to me....I've always sworn by the 30%/40% rule.

Personally, I wouldn't do it unless the mods specifically ruled it legal - especially if it caused the region to be emptied and then recreated by an invader.

Agreed. I am by no means an authority.
Neutered Sputniks
01-03-2004, 03:24
Um...that would constitute griefing (mass-ejection)
Ballotonia
01-03-2004, 10:26
Seems rather dodgy to me....I've always sworn by the 30%/40% rule.

Personally, I wouldn't do it unless the mods specifically ruled it legal - especially if it caused the region to be emptied and then recreated by an invader.

To the best of my knowledge as just a player:

The unofficial 40% rule of thumb is for bannings by a resident delegates, not for invaders. Invaders are limited to 'a few tactical ejections', where I personally interpret 'a few' to be substantially less than 40%.

Ballotonia
Desudoragon
01-03-2004, 15:42
40% is indeed the percentage of a region banned that constitutes griefing. If the region has only 15 people then you can ban less than 6 people.
Crazy girl
01-03-2004, 15:57
40% is indeed the percentage of a region banned that constitutes griefing. If the region has only 15 people then you can ban less than 6 people.

now where was that little post of grumpy old neut saying there's not set number...

yep, found it (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2789468&highlight=#2789468)
Siswai Aman
01-03-2004, 17:12
Tactical is pretty shady aswell.

A typical 15 nation region will have a delegate with a maximum of 6 endorsements. (this is typical remember)

Ejecting 3-4 is really all you have justification for.
Cogitation
01-03-2004, 18:17
My apologies for stepping on Neut's toes, here, but I feel that this point is important enough to deserve clarification and reiteration:

Mkay, I don't care for passwords.

But I can eject everyone as long as i remove them from the banned list, correct?

Yes, so long as you unban them immediately after ejecting them.

This is not correct!

I dont care what other circumstances you have, if you eject that many natives, then you die.

40% is indeed the percentage of a region banned that constitutes griefing. If the region has only 15 people then you can ban less than 6 people.

now where was that little post of grumpy old neut saying there's not set number...

yep, found it (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2789468&highlight=#2789468)

Correct. There is no set number. I will discuss possible changes to the Big Invasion/Delegate FAQ sticky topic with the other Moderators.

Go with what Ballotonia and Siswai Aman have said: You are limited to a few tactical ejections. Chose very carefully who you're going to eject.

Spelling error corrected.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator
Siswai Aman
01-03-2004, 20:32
There is no set number. I will discuss possible changes to the Big Invasion/Delegate FAQ sticky topic with the mother Moderators.
Mother moderators, well yes, I can see Steph here but . . . . . . :lol:

Chose very carefully who you're going to eject.

In this situation TROUSRS, go for the previous delegate and half his endorsers. 1 delegate + 1/2 of six endorsers = 4 ejectees.

You should besafe in that case, multiply out the numbers for a larger region etcetc.
TROUSRS
02-03-2004, 00:15
Alright, assumed that was griefing but I saw another moderator post that you could eject everyone as long as they were removed from the banned list. I was just making sure..

It might have been GMC, but I'm not sure. It was just yesterday I saw it.
Cogitation
02-03-2004, 03:09
There is no set number. I will discuss possible changes to the Big Invasion/Delegate FAQ sticky topic with the mother Moderators.
Mother moderators, well yes, I can see Steph here but . . . . . . :lol:

Right. Spelling error corrected. :P

Chose very carefully who you're going to eject.

In this situation TROUSRS, go for the previous delegate and half his endorsers. 1 delegate + 1/2 of six endorsers = 4 ejectees.

You should besafe in that case, multiply out the numbers for a larger region etcetc.

For a region of 15 natives, I would suggest limiting it to 2 ejections (or three, if you really had to). I might not delete for ejecting 4 out of 15, but 4 out of 15 is starting to get risky.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator