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Yes indeed, the very day that a certain Pearly Gates became Delegate of Heaven, he did indeed have my vote as he was a Nice individual at the time, he ejected quite a large number of people from Heaven on the basis that somehow I was in command of either them or Heaven.

However, all can attest that Nicetopia individually put any person in any "position" he chose, without any input from myself, and indeed the place in the Factbook that once read "Created by, and lorder over by, God Himself" was put up by the predecessor of even Nicetopia. Nicetopia decided, again without my input, to leave that there, and create "offices" to which he appointed various people who joined the region.

Pearly Gates was one of these people. I endorsed him, indeed I endorsed both him and Nicetopia, as I especially liked Nicetopia for his Niceness, and Pearly Gates, simply because he seemed Nice. And then I logged on earlier today to notice that Pearly Gates was the Delegate, and I said, that's all fine and good. I did not remove my endorsement, nor did I even say ANYTHING at ALL regarding his appointment. When I log in 2 to 5 horus later, about 20 minutes ago, I find that I and many others have been ejected from Heaven.

And so I call to the moderators to either find a reason that this is ok, that I or those people may have done something wrong, or please enforce justice upon a very conflicted individual who ejects even people who endorsed and supported him.

Heaven AND Hell invaded and under ejections..

What are the odds??

wow both heaven and hell got griefed

"The liberation of heaven has become a reality; no longer does their citizen have to fear the oppressive dictator who banishes the free to Hell. All of Gods regime has also been banished from this free land. For now on we are all equal in heaven, except for some of us who are more equal than others, and together we can prosper, to join our ranks, telegram Pearly Gates, Atheists, or Nicetopia to gain entrance to heaven, all are welcome."

Above is the current factbook entry.

Notice the line "no longer does their citizen have to fear the oppressive dictator who banishes the free to Hell."

Also notice that Nicetopia is obviously one of the "higher ups" so to speak.

And remember that Nicetopia was the former delegate before Pearly Gates replaced him by one vote, and that Nicetopia was RPing and being a very Nice person, ejecting nobody, and generally causing the region to be more active than it has ever been in the many weeks and few months I have resided in Heaven (much longer than either of them).

Clearly he is unstable and being a jerk, ejecting all the people that Nicetopia "appointed" to an "office" of Heaven from Heaven, without ejecting Nicetopia, and ejecting myself for having somehow controlled the region in a dictatorial way.

Further evidence that uncalled-for griefing has occured.

wow both heaven and hell got griefed

LOLLER SKATES

Thats so great. They both deserved it though, because both of them thought they were better then each other, when truely the griefers got them. Well next time they should P-word protect the Heaven and Hell. :lol:

i had plans for my region to legally take both over but they beat me too it

It would be more philosophically better for your arguing if you actually resided in either of these regions. I myself have resided in both. If there was any real rivalry, it was all done IC. OOC the region of hell affects us none, so it isn't necessary to like or dislike the region. I am sorry for its griefing as well. I quite respected One Bad Asp very much, both for her jokes and because she rarely if ever ejected anyone.

I have no qualms with people trying to become delegate of a region for personal or other gain, but ejecting members without just cause is griefing. Are you saying you would have done the same thing? Or just that you wanted to become delegate? I mean hell, *I* want to become delegate too, but I was also perfectly content with Nicetopia being delegate, mostly because of the amazing amount of activity he brought with him. Before he came, and during/after Deputy Barney Fife's being there, activity was very low in Heaven. So I enjoyed Nicetopia's reign for that reason, and also because he was an enjoyable RPer, RPing with Niceness and such. It was fun.

Atleast I am back in Hell.. don't know what happened. Mayby a hellspawn grabbed our invader by the neck and talked dirty with him.

I hope you can get back God Himself to Heaven, if nothing else, to whack your delegate.

Send us your fallen angels!

Pearly Gates appears to be a native Delegate; no invasion seems to be involved, here. Is that correct?

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Pearly Gates appears to be a native Delegate; no invasion seems to be involved, here. Is that correct?

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

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hell was never grieved, heaven was though, I would like the rules about region crashing placed some where or if they are could someone give me the link so I can post them in my region for all to see.

hell was never grieved, heaven was though, I would like the rules about region crashing placed some where or if they are could someone give me the link so I can post them in my region for all to see.

How to avoid Region Griefing (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38763)

Big Invasion/delegate FAQ! (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109397)

hell was never grieved, heaven was though, I would like the rules about region crashing placed some where or if they are could someone give me the link so I can post them in my region for all to see.

Big Invasion/Delegate FAQ (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109397)

That basically applies if an invasion took place, which doesn't seem to be the case here. This is a more Francos-Spain-like case where an internally-elected Delegate seized power and ejected political opponents; legal for native Delegates with a sufficient native endorsement support base, but illegal for invader Delegates.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Wait, Invaders can't eject political opponents?

Wait, Invaders can't eject political opponents?

eject, sure, keep them on the banlist, or not giving them the pass to the region, nope..

Wait, Invaders can't eject political opponents?

I wasn't clear. Mea Culpa.

Internally-elected and internally-supported Delegates may eject political opponents without unbanning. Such Delegates may also impose passwords without distributing the password (in user-created regions; admin-created regions may not have a password).

Invader Delegates may eject a native, but must iommediately unban said native. Invaders may eject other invaders without unbanning.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Wait, Invaders can't eject political opponents?

I wasn't clear. Mea Culpa.

Internally-elected and internally-supported Delegates may eject political opponents without unbanning. Such Delegates may also impose passwords without distributing the password (in user-created regions; admin-created regions may not have a password).

Invader Delegates may eject a native, but must iommediately unban said native. Invaders may eject other invaders without unbanning.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Ok, Gogi, please answer this. How to protect Delegacy from a native with more endorsements? Eject and unban!? He'll come back in and still have said endorsements.

It should be made where he can sit a day out of the region. I understand you have to unban the unfortunate guy, but with these rules, Invaders can easily and effortlessly be toppled.

You still miss the point.

There is ways to keep the endorsments even though you arent in the region for a full day. Give me 16 endorsments in hell, eject me before update, and hellspawn will be over you the next update when you have to let me in.

well you keep the verified endorsements until you the next update so if you had the endorsements thne were kicked out and went back in before the update then you could be the delegate

[i am not a mod]

For completeness:

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holy_incarcerate:holy_cannoli:the_cult_of_slaanesh:nicetopia:selfish_pricks:
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Looking at the banlist and the Regional Happenings, it seems at least six residents were recently banned: God Himself, Lystre, Manerdom, The Destiny, Weastacton, and Cherubland.

If you have any information that would seem to be to support the claim that Heaven was griefed, I suggest you share it with the mods (use Getting Help page, or if you feel you must you can also post it here). As it is, I don't see a griefing (I'm not a mod so it isn't my call to make).

Ballotonia

This is NOT a case of internal politics Cogitation, I was not his political opponent. I had endorsed both him AND Nicetopia for weeks bfore. Nicetopia was really his only political opponnent, and he kept him in Heaven! This is just a case of stupidity on Pearl's part! Booting a bunch of people for literally no reason, leaving his only political rival in the region. It's not right to boot people for no reason. At least Franco Spain had some reason. I support Franco Spain in fact. you can ask him yourselves if a certain The Dragon Alliance messaged him about supporting him against all the myriad people against him.

I have messaged him asking to make all this moot by unbanning all the people he banned and take off the regional password. I will have no quarrel with him if he does this.

God does not hold grudges. But sometimes He misplaces His trust. Human weakness you know. I believe there is a wonderful book called The Problem of Pain by C.S. Lewis which documents some Human weaknesses as well as many other insights on religion/philosophy.

so that's it, no help for nations whose crime apparently was supporting the very person who kicked them from a reason.

dude, that's freaking messed up and you all know it.

so that's it, no help for nations whose crime apparently was supporting the very person who kicked them from a reason.

dude, that's freaking messed up and you all know it.

Silence. I support Percy.

Ok, fine, I'll be nice.

God dude, it isn't griefing. Why? Because he was an internally selected delegate, meaning, he can eject you if he wants. Now, if only invader Delegates had rights like that, it would be fun...

so that's it, no help for nations whose crime apparently was supporting the very person who kicked them from a reason.

dude, that's freaking messed up and you all know it.

Besides, your god himself, right? Use your holy magic...

Taunting, especially in a moderation thread, is BAD FORM.

dude, without my vote he wouldn't have BECOME delegate.

Is it permissable for Pearly Gates to insist that all UN members endorse him or be thrown out?
Generally the entire nature of the Heaven region has now profoundly changed - Pearly Gates had all the appearance of a native "type" until he gained and consolidated power, after which he adopted a Spanish flag, Spanish motto and transformed the region into a wierd dictatorship. Everybody has been told to endorse him or be banned and ejected.
That isn't fair play surely?

Is it permissable for Pearly Gates to insist that all UN members endorse him or be thrown out?
Generally the entire nature of the Heaven region has now profoundly changed - Pearly Gates had all the appearance of a native "type" until he gained and consolidated power, after which he adopted a Spanish flag, Spanish motto and transformed the region into a wierd dictatorship. Everybody has been told to endorse him or be banned and ejected.
That isn't fair play surely?
Ahh right.

Sythia explained that they take over regions through a process which I'll call "infiltration" in which they create UN nations, levae them in their Pacifics, and slowly move them in.

Yet I'm under the impression that this is not Sythia's army, but rather a loose cannon which joined forces with him.

To be honest, I rather like the idea Heaven being ruled by an atheist oligarchy.

Invading Heaven and Hell? How original. :roll:

Been there done that.

Pearly is OBVIOUSLY not a native, being only 79 million in size. I've been there for a few months. I think... since before the new year. not sure. Hung around the rejected realms a long time until Deputy Barney Fife finally took down his password and people started drifting in.

Anyway it's all moot. I'm back in heaven, the password and the ban's are all lifted. I have no quarrel with Pearly anymore.

Forgive and Forget, as always. Honor in all things.

Moderators please delete the thread in the UN forum that is titled to ask you to do so, i would like nations to give their input on the subject the thread is about on a different thread.

thanks for the lock

Pearly is OBVIOUSLY not a native, being only 79 million in size.
Actually when I had been playing NS for about three weeks I was only about 50 million in size.

Is it permissable for Pearly Gates to insist that all UN members endorse him or be thrown out?
Generally the entire nature of the Heaven region has now profoundly changed - Pearly Gates had all the appearance of a native "type" until he gained and consolidated power, after which he adopted a Spanish flag, Spanish motto and transformed the region into a wierd dictatorship. Everybody has been told to endorse him or be banned and ejected.
That isn't fair play surely?
Ahh right.

Sythia explained that they take over regions through a process which I'll call "infiltration" in which they create UN nations, levae them in their Pacifics, and slowly move them in.

Yet I'm under the impression that this is not Sythia's army, but rather a loose cannon which joined forces with him.

To be honest, I rather like the idea Heaven being ruled by an atheist oligarchy.


I take offense that my forces are loose cannons, I casted the deciding vote in hell, my forces were there to defend hell but then it seemed better to imperial spain. then came heaven, not my idea but whatever, we took it and but I had no idea sythia was going to grief the place! if I would of known that i would of ran away as fast as i could.

honestly, my forces were going to take middle earth, you know hell, heaven and middle earth. makes sence.