NationStates Jolt Archive

If it's not too forward of me to create a new thread, b/c it seems as if the old one is dying, despite bumpings.

I would greatly appreciate mod response on this thread: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124282

and I also believe (although I do not speak for them) that the Alliance of Soicalist States wishes an answer to a similar question here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=123656

Perhaps this merged thread could answer some questions on the feasibility of getting founders.

Bump.

Mods won't appoint founders except in extreme circumstances.

Yes, yes, I've bene told this.

However, one of the threads (the AoSS one) asks the Mods to appoint of a founder, and the Mods have not even given them the courtesy of a negative response.

Furthermore, my thread simply wishes to inquire as to what an extreme circumstance is.

I would really truly appreciate a mod answer to these two threads.

We're reviewing the Founder appointing process.

No promises, but...

Be careful what you wish for, there was this region once where one of the inhabitants asked the mods for a founder. So the region ended up with a mod as the founder! I kid you not, true story. :wink:

Hack:

Thank you for the response. I really do appreciate it.

Now I'll stop bugging you guys, and wait until you've come to a decision or finished your reviewing.

*chuckles*

That means I'll just bring this up again in a month, lol.

Be careful what you wish for, there was this region once where one of the inhabitants asked the mods for a founder. So the region ended up with a mod as the founder! I kid you not, true story. :wink:
From memory that was just an interim procedure to prevent any more griefings while the locals worked out who the real founder was. Either that or it's an urban myth.

Be careful what you wish for, there was this region once where one of the inhabitants asked the mods for a founder. So the region ended up with a mod as the founder! I kid you not, true story. :wink:
From memory that was just an interim procedure to prevent any more griefings while the locals worked out who the real founder was. Either that or it's an urban myth.

Nope, it's a true story. I heard it from this guy who knows this other guys sister whose cousin knows the guy involved. I swear it!

Or it happened about an hour ago in Hell :?
Those who yabs after little may choke on the cookie. But Neut looks pretty cute up there as Satan.

Bumpity Bump Bump.

I know I said a month...

I also know you guys are backlogged (saw it someone in here this morning), and I in no way shape or form want to rush you, but well, you know, you just gotta bump.

The mods statistically do not appoint founders, except in extreme circumstances. If your case was extreme, I think more action would be taken to explain this to you and the others seeking founders.

Bump.

The mods statistically do not appoint founders, except in extreme circumstances. If your case was extreme, I think more action would be taken to explain this to you and the others seeking founders.

This is correct, last I checked

LE - NON MOD

However, Hack said they were reveiwing the Founder process.

I shall await their answers.

I think, that with this game of Nationstates, there are simply some regions who wish to play the game of invasions and war, while others simply want to have their regions live in peace without the threat of being summarily ejected or removed. My region is a peaceful one, dedicated to peaceful socialist ideals, and we wish to be able to live without the fear of an invasion. Thus, we wish for a founder, to disable delagate controls and allow the nations of our region to live in peace.

I eagerly await the answers from the Mods.

Well, even for Europe, it took a long time before they (or some time ago: we) got a new founder. And Europe has nearly 800 nations.
So I'm afraid a negative response is definitely the major option :?

As Blackbird says there are some NS players out there who deliberately go around trying to destroy other people's regions. Because our region (The Proletariat Coalition) is a steadfastly socialist one and we do not have a Founder, we feel vulnerable to griefing groups with political agendas. It would be greatly appreciated if the Mods could find the time just to let us have a Founder so that we can feel more secure about our region's security... :) They would have our eternal gratitude

IIRC, in the summer of 2003 the mods appointed Founders more readily. However, in the fall of 2003, there was a ruling that the time for appointing Founders had come and gone and that Founders would be appointed only in exceptional circumstances.

*bump*

*bump*

The mods don't usually reach decisions like this quickly...

Ah well, I apologize then. I admit I am unfamiliar with the speed the Mods take.

This is currently very much on the back burner. Between goatse spammers, nation thieves, and various other obligations, we've been kinda busy.

But, don't worry, I haven't forgotten about it.

Thank you very much for your time.

I should say, that even though you haven't made a decision, it's very reassuring to know that you're still working on it. Thank you for your respsonse.

So, ah, how are things going?

I was wondering what the extreme circumstances are?

I heard that if all the nations in the region agree to making a nation a founder that the MODS would do it....is this true....how would a nation go about doing this...We wouldn't want to mass TM or mass requests to the MODS!!

I was wondering what the extreme circumstances are?

I heard that if all the nations in the region agree to making a nation a founder that the MODS would do it....is this true....how would a nation go about doing this...We wouldn't want to mass TM or mass requests to the MODS!!

This is most decidedly NOT true. We are not here to allow popular elections of founders. That's what the UN Delegate is for. The founder is the nation that created the region. Only in EXTREME (and I do mean EXTREME) circumstances will the Mods appoint a new founder.

And...I thought you guys in Hell liked having a Mod for founder :P It'll be addressed shortly ;)

Blackbird: what are the EXTREME circumstances surrounding your request for foundership?

My region is a relatively large one, we have over 150 members. However, what puts us in a particularly threatening position is our politics. The Proletariat Coalition is an explicitly left-wing region, and in the past, we've seen our allies with similar politics be griefed (and I mean griefed, everyone ejected, namely the regions Alliance of Socialist States and Marxism). We've even had invaders pretend to invade our region to get our allied regions to protect us while they griefed the AoSS. There are many right-wing regions who bear us ill will for purely political regions (we've never invaded another region or anything of the sort, we are philosophically against that). We don't want to play the game of invasion and counter-invasion. The people I represent (as Delegate) are tried of having to pw-protect our region on weekends and such because of threats against our region, we're tired of living in fear of the horrendous griefings that have happened to our allies; we just want to play the game, live in our politics in our region and with our allies.

Also, I should note, we aren't asking for a "new founder". We never had one in the first place. Our region was created before founders were. Going back to the lore, as it were, of our region, we were created by Haderan, but he has long disappeared. A nation who has been in this region over a year; however, Jako, has served as Delegate for months and is dedicated to our region, and it is he who we petition to be made founder.


I thank you very much for your time Nuetered Sputniks, and all others Mods who have answered this and who may answer this. I hope it has not been too forward in petitioning for this.

*bump*

geez you still trying to get a founder appointed

Good Luck!

Your circumstances are not extreme. Rather, they are political in nature and thus, you request a founder to protect yourself from what you have opened yourselves up to through your alliances. If your region is truly concerned about an invasion, I suggest you recreate it, or simply move everyone to a new region.

There was plenty of opportunity for a founder request to have been made when appointing founders of the original regions was proffered (which was, by the way, for quite a long while). The bit about never having a founder comes a day late, and a dollar short.

However, with all due respeect Nuetered Sputniks, do you really think I could refound the region? There are about 150 nations. If every nation that endorsed me left (we'll be generous and say 45), I would have to ban over 100 nations, which would be griefing, as that would be way higher than the informal 20% line.

Our region has not "opened ourselves up through our alliances", we've always been a target as a large, left-wing region. We entered our alliances as a means of protection. Our alliances were always, and have always been defensive in nature. We have only done operations in an allied state when they have been invaded.

I don't know why our region did not request a founder when the original offer was made Nuetered Sputniks; I was not Delegate then, nor do I even remember when the offer was made, so I couldn't tell you who was Delegate then. We would be willing to refound the region, but with 150+ nations that idea is entirely impractical. All I know, is that my region is tired of being threatened, is unwilling to give up the region where many of us (myself included) have resided for over a year, and it seems like a founder will solve our problems.

Thank you again, for taking the time to consider our request.

However, with all due respeect Nuetered Sputniks, do you really think I could refound the region? There are about 150 nations. If every nation that endorsed me left (we'll be generous and say 45), I would have to ban over 100 nations, which would be griefing, as that would be way higher than the informal 20% line.

Get everyone to agree to leave to a temp region then the inactive guys can be kicked out slowly then re-found it

It's not practical.

Unless my understanding of the rules of griefing are incorrect (and well they may be), a Delegate cannot eject more than approximately 20% of the nations in a region. At best, I could expect 50 of the 150+ nations to leave. That would leave well over 66% that I would need to eject, and that would be illegal.

Once again, I simply pose the question: where was this concern for a founder 6 months ago when we were more freely appointing founders?

Either your region has not always been a target, or perhaps not as much of one. Ultimately, by making your pacts with invader groups, you are putting your region out on the market for invaders. That simple. To argue that it was only done for protection does not lessen the fact that you have allied with invader groups and thus named your region as a 'player' in invasions.

We have not allied ourselves with invader groups!

The alliances we are involved in have ONLY been used when one of the members was attacked. In fact, of the times it was used, the regions involved had been griefed (the AoSS, & Marxism).

Where was the concern 6 months ago? I don't know. I wasn't Delegate then, nor was I in a position to petition the Mods on behalf of my region.

You seem to imply that we could have gotten a founder then. If then, why not now?

I'm not even asking for myself to be appointed founder. This isn't some crazy nation on a power trip if that's a concern you might have. I'm asking for a nation (Jako) who has been in the region longer than I, well over a year, to be appointed founder.


Our region is not a "player" in invasions, and we never have been. We are not members of any alliance that has EVER engaged in any sort of offensive actions. Once again, I'll reiterate that the only times my region has ever, to my knowledge, done anything of the sort was when the Alliance of Socialist States was griefed, and when Marxism was griefed.

*bump*

Please, quit bumping. Your request has been responded to.

I apologize. I didn't know if the last msg had been read.

Well, I thank the Mods for their time.