NationStates Jolt Archive

After witnessing the horrific griefing of the Alliance of Socialist States, I reread the "How to avoid a griefing" sticky, and saw the bit about foundership. It seemed to imply that a region in danger of being griefed could possibly get a founder appointed.

I'd like to ask a purely hypothetical question (I would not presume to ask on behalf of my region), that being: how can one get a founder appointed to a region where the original nation who created the region is long gone? Are there set criteria? Is it up to Mod discretion on a case-by-case basis with no specific criteria?

I ask, with concern for my region The Proletariat Coalition, because we were involved in the griefing of the AoSS, in that the griefers warned of attacks against us to distract members of the AoSS to come to the "protection" of TPC (we were not attacked). This leads me to believe that we could be targeted in the future by this group (if they should resurrect themselves) or another group, as we are allied with AoSS and have similar political beliefs.

I apologize if this question has been asked already, but it didn't seem to be stickied, and you can't search the forum by keyword anymore :( .

The mods will only appoint a founder in special cases.
The mods determine which regions count as 'special' on a case-by-case basis.

Well, I mean no disrespect, as I'm only questioning so that I can learn better, but what constitutes a 'special' case?

I don't mean to be trying to define a rule that was left purposfully vague. Not in any sense. I truly appreciate the advantages to the Mods that they have because a rule is vague and not rigidly defined, so as no loopholes can be exploited, there being no definite loopholes to exploit.

However, before I would pursue putting a region on the table for possible foundership, I would merely like an idea of what constitutes a 'special' case. If you can't tell me specifically, could I know what has qualified in the past?

Europe was designated a special case due to it's unusual size - being the largest non-game created region.

That's pretty much the only special case we've seen so far, at least, as far as I can remember. Granted, I am a little scatter-brained these days...

Thank you very much for your time, Neutered Sputniks.

If it's not too presumptuous to ask: does anyone else know of any times when a region has been granted a foundership? Or of a time when a region has been denied such foundership?

I'm sorry for being such trouble, but I'd really like to better understand how to get a foundership. Who knows, if this gets to be a particularly informative thread, you can sticky it ;-)

Well you could have everyone agree to leave for just a little bit and when the region has zero nations in it the region will be deleted at the next game update then you could re-found the region BUT EVERYONE HAS TO AGRRE TO LEAVE

Canada was recently turned down after making a request.

If it's not too presumptuous to ask: does anyone else know of any times when a region has been granted a foundership?

Pope Hope was granted Foundership of Nasicournia, after the original Founder had "ceased to exist" quite some time before. She was Delegate for quite awhile, and basically brought that region back from the dead, though, through a lot of hard work and effort. It took a couple of months, a lot of hard work, and the agreement of everyone in the region to get Pope Hope named Founder, though.

Hmm...We have a pretty large region, about 140 members. I don't think it's too practical to have everyone leave and return.

Enodia, if's it not too forward of me to ask: why was Canada turned down?

*bumpity bump, bu-bu-bump bump bump*

Alrighty, let's try this again.

I'm really trying to get a statement from the Mods on a couple things about getting a founder appointed.

Why was Canada turned down?

And do the Mods have any other suggestions other than to refound a large region?

Sparrow was denied a request for foundership.

We had 241 nations and our founder decided to eject most of the UN nations supporting the current Delegate (myself) and spam the board. He was deleted and Sparrow became a founderless region.

I requested, as I was one of the first nations in the region and had contributed greatly to it's growth, along with several other nations in the region to be named as founder and was told that since our founder was deleted due to game rule violations that we would not be allowed to have a new founder.

We have since split into 4 separate regions - New Sparrow, NATO, Tropico and Sparrow Elite Covert Ops - all with different agendas. New Sparrow now has 62 nations, NATO has 17, Tropico sits at 26 and SECO has 12.

Sparrow still has 17 nations in it and is now used as a base of operations for New Sparrow regional governmental agencies (Radio, news, etc).

While I fully support most Mod actions in this game I feel that punishing our region due to the ineffectiveness and stupidity of our "founder" was a mistake and I will always feel that way. Perhaps I will be able to rectify the situation in NS2 :o

There are more details but they are not relavent. I would suggest you give up your current course of action simply because if we were not a "special case" I fail to see how anyone else could possibly be one.

Central Asia was appointed a founder. If a region has to go what that region went through, its not worth it!

I'm sorry but are you saying that Central Asia, a region of 5 nations, was declared a "special case" and appointed a founder?

Could you elaborate on why this was decided?

Wouldn't it have been easier to ask the 5 nations to leave and then refound the region instead of requesting it from the Mods?

Central Asia - what happened? (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118900)

Have fun reading it. As you will see, its a muddy issue, hence the "special case foundership".

Well I just read the entire thread and still fail to see how Central Asia was deemed a "special case" by the Mods.

It was stated that a "roll-back" occured but that does not appear to be the case...a true "roll-back" like the one that just occured in Cuba would have left the region founderless and the responsibility to refound would have been placed on the native nation Rafta. I failed to see anywhere in the thread where there was discussion prior to the griefing that Rafta or anyone else had plans to refound the region. It is not known whether that would have occured or not...

Of course the only information I have regarding the situation in Central Asia is what is in that thread and I do see where Hack placed Temporary Founders in the region for a day or two before deciding to place Rafta as founder.

I haven't seen any arguement that Rafta was one of the founding members of the region or that he had been there for any lenght of time. It seems like coincidence that he was one of two natives in the region at the time of the griefing and nothing more...

He could have joined the region a week prior to the invasion and was lucky enough to survive it...I fail to see why this was granted a "special case."

But I am not a Mod.

The question re AoSS is still outstanding in another thread:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=123656&start=20

It would be very helpful to get a ruling on it, when the mods have a moment.