13-02-2004, 00:07
I never thought that I would write one of these, but following the level of support I have received I believe it to be in my best interest to do this. If your not a Mod, I suggest you leave now, as this is a very long and detailed post.
My nation, Tremalkier, was deleted perhaps two weeks ago for flaming by a puppet nation. Now I quickly acknowledge that this was flaming, however, as someone who has posted in this Moderation Forum often, even in posts like this, I cannot acknowledge the corrective actions taken as being the best suited to the situation.
Now to understand this fully one must understand the background of the situation. It all began when a nation, Kevin Land, made a mistake by triple posting on my regional board. Now this may not strike anyone as an offense, yet Tremalkier IC decided to act its part by immediately jumping upon said action as something that must be warned against.
This seemingly small action, which would often be repeated to be IC, and not truly any conviction of mine seemed to infuriate the nation Kevin Land. Immediately claiming Nuclear Arms said nation, which had only 60 million people at the time, demanded an apology. Tremalkier found this to be amusing, but totally unacceptable, and proposed, again IC, that Kevin Land be forced to submit to Tremalkier and grant it a sphere of influence over KL. Tremalkier was supported in this by the vocal majority of the region, whom all announced they would march with Tremalkier should war occur.
Now this situation was diffused over time, and we were prepared to ignore Kevin Land. However, we began to have a major telegram exchange. With Tremalkier desperately attempting to explain the basic nature of Nation States to Kevin Land, we were constantly disagreed with, and our explanations ignored. And so a second issue arose. Kevin Land, now only around 100 million people large, with a powerhouse economy, declared it was starting a space programme. The old Tremalkien allies in the region, and Tremalkier itself, instantly disapproved of this. However, we were ignored, and our attempts to quell the situation were lost. In the end the Mod, Scolopendra, whom responded to my getting help request, added Kevin Land to the ban list of the region, and we were allowed back to a relative peace.
Unfortunately Kevin Land wouldn’t allow our region, Armageddon, to escape so easily. He first founded a region, Craggy Islands, in which Tremalkier and its main allies, Nak nak especially, were insulted heavily. They had already insulted both nations, however neither had felt it to be so offensive as to be brought to the Mods attention, something we deeply regret now. Following insults towards our nations, we both moved to Craggy Islands to dispel any notion that we had any intentions of having anything to do with them, and the fact we didn’t want to hear from them anymore. I have since heard that this was labeled as flaming, which is not something I agree with as it was a declaration of opinion against the charges leveled against us, but I am prepared to accept that. A warning was issued, which I was never fully aware of, and the situation again diffused.
Yet still it wouldn’t go away. Kevin Land and its followers proceeded to leave Craggy Islands and merged with the region Region Invading Army, in the new region of The Lost Continent. This caused immediate panic in Armageddon as their goals were quickly laid forth. (Quotes will come forward once I can access the Armageddon ARC Board, which I have lost the password to. Please excuse their lack for right now, I’ll get them soon)
As I can’t access the board where the quotes are stored, I must sum them up. Basically after the merger consistent threats were made to Armageddon via Invasion. Various nations, including the Delegate of the region all made threats as to when the invasion would occur, and went so far as to put “Death to Armageddon” on their regional World Factbook Entry (it has since been removed).
Tremalkier, as well as much of the region were extremely worried about this situation, and immediately began inserting puppets to survey the situation. Now here is where the going got a bit tough. The problem with The Lost Continent is that it had a high turnover rate on its regional board, and most of the nations who moved there were brand new. Thereby their hearty attacks on Kevin Land for waiting too long to attack, as well as various comments about Muslims that I did not support were made. Tremalkier, under the nation Monkeysarecool, thereupon decided that it was in our interest to try and get involved in the region, and get the support of as many nations as possible. It was our goal to try and stop any invasion by pushing them towards other targets. This was accomplished through telegrams to the most ardent dissidents, and by various comments being made on their regional board.
It must again be understood that at this time Armageddon was expressing quite ardently that it wanted nothing to do with Kevin Land, nor his region of The Lost Continent. Yet they continued to move into Armageddon, make comments, then leave. They also insinuated a spy like we did. Now at this time Monkeysarecool, Tremalkier, noticed a major pattern in the most ardent dissidents. These nations were all in favor of attacking a “towel head” region. They further insulted Kevin Land for his diplomacy with them. MSC followed suit, and proceeded to try and draw off these ardent attackers by creating a new region and making a post that to the best of my knowledge went as follows (note: this was a tenth as harsh as most of what was being said on that board at the time, and I was trying to stay in role. Grammar and spelling were purposefully wrong to continue the uber-n00b image) “Whats with the no invasion Kevin Land? Or should I says pussy land? Every1 wantz to attacz them towel heads! Why don’t we? Anyone who wants to attacks them come with me to Region Crashing Army, we’l attack them soon!”.
After this, a flood of posts occurred, and my comment was left isolated with a large number of those by Kevin Land and a couple of other nations, on unrelated topics. A little while thereafter, Monkeysarecool, Tremalkier, and its puppet Tremalkien UN were all deleted.
To say the least I was stunned. No warning, no chance, and for something that was a common occurrence on that board. But it was even more stunning to me seeing as there was already a history with that nation, and it was later revealed that the Mod who did the deletion was Cogitation, not Scolopendra whom had monitered the situation initially. Thereupon we realized (thought) that the deletion was a mistake due to lack of knowledge, and filed a getting help request, as well as telegramming Cogitation. However, the request was ignored, and Cogitation no longer remembered why the deletion had occurred.
Now I was absolutely stunned. I had never expected that I, Tremalkier, a nation that had recently spent so much of its board time in the Mod Forum, as well as the Tech Forum, were we made the “Get Rid of the Post Count” post, which ended up by having [violet] herself post to say that the idea would be considered. Now I had never considered myself a flamer, nor a griefer. The one occasion where I did flame, or at least a Mod said I did, on the boards (it was actually a picture involving the Pope saying STFU) I quickly acknowledged the ruling, and edited the post.
After being deleted, I immediately decided to find out what the general public of Nation States, so to speak, thought about this. They were as stunned as myself. The reactions were as I expected. The nation of Sketch, a perennial top 10 nation, quickly admitted they had never seen me do anything that they considered “edgy”. The nation of Severance, another top 10 nation, quickly agreed with that, and issued its support. Both the Brotherhood of Nod, and the nation Nak nak, both 10 ten nations themselves, also quickly agreed. Further investigation yielded that the nation of Vrak, and my perennial enemy of Pantera both established their support, and largely disbelief that I had been deleted.
That was the most common reaction, disbelief. For I believe that any nation that has ever really interacted with me realizes that I follow the rules. And I do my best to get others to do it as well. Following the support that was given me, I still didn’t want to disturb the Mods by making this type of post, so instead I searched for a replacement, which was issued in the form of the nation the Knight who says NI, from the nation Nak nak. Unfortunately this nation has been given to the brother of Nak nak, thereby leaving me to either search again, or finally use all the support given to me, and ask to have Tremalkier resurrected.
It is my belief that the reasons for deletion were correct in their original intent, but unfortunately incorrect because of a lack of background knowledge. With the following evidence I provide, as well as my statements above, I hope that this situation can be resolved. Should further evidence be necessary I will do my best to provide it as is requested. And should any support be needed by other nations, I can easily ask any of the nations that have supported me to post their reasons, or anything else that is needed.
“the behavior of KL was the main instigation for the troubles and travails the region faced. KL's oversensitivity was its downfall.”
The Nation of Oakeshottland, following its watching the events from the outside
The following post is a full discussion of one of the original situations
http://invisionfree.com/forums/Armageddon_HQ/index.php?showtopic=83
“I would also like to state that I don't know this Max guy. He is not an ally of mine. Don't associate me with he/she/it”
This is an old quote of Kevin Land’s. In the context it was referring to the actions of one Max and Jess Land, which was later proved to owned by either KL himself, or a co-worker. This is purely character evidence, and shouldn’t be stocked as anything more.
http://invisionfree.com/forums/Armageddon_HQ/index.php?showtopic=77
Another Post that has great quotes about the situations, and our attempts to diffuse them rationally
Unfortunately, I never recorded any telegrams nor did I record any other statements made by Kevin Land on regional boards, as I never foresaw this happening.
Finally, I must ask that only Mods respond to this. As a frequent contributer in this forum myself I know some people will ignore this plea, but I ask the rest of you to please refrain from replying! Basenji and Quaal, as well as other nations along those lines, I especially ask you to refrain from posting. What we don’t need here is the classic super-resurrection post, usually by a major flamer or other malcontent.
Thank you for your time Mods, and I would be happy to help any request for info.
EDIT: I will be gone following this Sunday for a week, so if info is needed, please ask sooner rather than later. Thanks.
My nation, Tremalkier, was deleted perhaps two weeks ago for flaming by a puppet nation. Now I quickly acknowledge that this was flaming, however, as someone who has posted in this Moderation Forum often, even in posts like this, I cannot acknowledge the corrective actions taken as being the best suited to the situation.
Now to understand this fully one must understand the background of the situation. It all began when a nation, Kevin Land, made a mistake by triple posting on my regional board. Now this may not strike anyone as an offense, yet Tremalkier IC decided to act its part by immediately jumping upon said action as something that must be warned against.
This seemingly small action, which would often be repeated to be IC, and not truly any conviction of mine seemed to infuriate the nation Kevin Land. Immediately claiming Nuclear Arms said nation, which had only 60 million people at the time, demanded an apology. Tremalkier found this to be amusing, but totally unacceptable, and proposed, again IC, that Kevin Land be forced to submit to Tremalkier and grant it a sphere of influence over KL. Tremalkier was supported in this by the vocal majority of the region, whom all announced they would march with Tremalkier should war occur.
Now this situation was diffused over time, and we were prepared to ignore Kevin Land. However, we began to have a major telegram exchange. With Tremalkier desperately attempting to explain the basic nature of Nation States to Kevin Land, we were constantly disagreed with, and our explanations ignored. And so a second issue arose. Kevin Land, now only around 100 million people large, with a powerhouse economy, declared it was starting a space programme. The old Tremalkien allies in the region, and Tremalkier itself, instantly disapproved of this. However, we were ignored, and our attempts to quell the situation were lost. In the end the Mod, Scolopendra, whom responded to my getting help request, added Kevin Land to the ban list of the region, and we were allowed back to a relative peace.
Unfortunately Kevin Land wouldn’t allow our region, Armageddon, to escape so easily. He first founded a region, Craggy Islands, in which Tremalkier and its main allies, Nak nak especially, were insulted heavily. They had already insulted both nations, however neither had felt it to be so offensive as to be brought to the Mods attention, something we deeply regret now. Following insults towards our nations, we both moved to Craggy Islands to dispel any notion that we had any intentions of having anything to do with them, and the fact we didn’t want to hear from them anymore. I have since heard that this was labeled as flaming, which is not something I agree with as it was a declaration of opinion against the charges leveled against us, but I am prepared to accept that. A warning was issued, which I was never fully aware of, and the situation again diffused.
Yet still it wouldn’t go away. Kevin Land and its followers proceeded to leave Craggy Islands and merged with the region Region Invading Army, in the new region of The Lost Continent. This caused immediate panic in Armageddon as their goals were quickly laid forth. (Quotes will come forward once I can access the Armageddon ARC Board, which I have lost the password to. Please excuse their lack for right now, I’ll get them soon)
As I can’t access the board where the quotes are stored, I must sum them up. Basically after the merger consistent threats were made to Armageddon via Invasion. Various nations, including the Delegate of the region all made threats as to when the invasion would occur, and went so far as to put “Death to Armageddon” on their regional World Factbook Entry (it has since been removed).
Tremalkier, as well as much of the region were extremely worried about this situation, and immediately began inserting puppets to survey the situation. Now here is where the going got a bit tough. The problem with The Lost Continent is that it had a high turnover rate on its regional board, and most of the nations who moved there were brand new. Thereby their hearty attacks on Kevin Land for waiting too long to attack, as well as various comments about Muslims that I did not support were made. Tremalkier, under the nation Monkeysarecool, thereupon decided that it was in our interest to try and get involved in the region, and get the support of as many nations as possible. It was our goal to try and stop any invasion by pushing them towards other targets. This was accomplished through telegrams to the most ardent dissidents, and by various comments being made on their regional board.
It must again be understood that at this time Armageddon was expressing quite ardently that it wanted nothing to do with Kevin Land, nor his region of The Lost Continent. Yet they continued to move into Armageddon, make comments, then leave. They also insinuated a spy like we did. Now at this time Monkeysarecool, Tremalkier, noticed a major pattern in the most ardent dissidents. These nations were all in favor of attacking a “towel head” region. They further insulted Kevin Land for his diplomacy with them. MSC followed suit, and proceeded to try and draw off these ardent attackers by creating a new region and making a post that to the best of my knowledge went as follows (note: this was a tenth as harsh as most of what was being said on that board at the time, and I was trying to stay in role. Grammar and spelling were purposefully wrong to continue the uber-n00b image) “Whats with the no invasion Kevin Land? Or should I says pussy land? Every1 wantz to attacz them towel heads! Why don’t we? Anyone who wants to attacks them come with me to Region Crashing Army, we’l attack them soon!”.
After this, a flood of posts occurred, and my comment was left isolated with a large number of those by Kevin Land and a couple of other nations, on unrelated topics. A little while thereafter, Monkeysarecool, Tremalkier, and its puppet Tremalkien UN were all deleted.
To say the least I was stunned. No warning, no chance, and for something that was a common occurrence on that board. But it was even more stunning to me seeing as there was already a history with that nation, and it was later revealed that the Mod who did the deletion was Cogitation, not Scolopendra whom had monitered the situation initially. Thereupon we realized (thought) that the deletion was a mistake due to lack of knowledge, and filed a getting help request, as well as telegramming Cogitation. However, the request was ignored, and Cogitation no longer remembered why the deletion had occurred.
Now I was absolutely stunned. I had never expected that I, Tremalkier, a nation that had recently spent so much of its board time in the Mod Forum, as well as the Tech Forum, were we made the “Get Rid of the Post Count” post, which ended up by having [violet] herself post to say that the idea would be considered. Now I had never considered myself a flamer, nor a griefer. The one occasion where I did flame, or at least a Mod said I did, on the boards (it was actually a picture involving the Pope saying STFU) I quickly acknowledged the ruling, and edited the post.
After being deleted, I immediately decided to find out what the general public of Nation States, so to speak, thought about this. They were as stunned as myself. The reactions were as I expected. The nation of Sketch, a perennial top 10 nation, quickly admitted they had never seen me do anything that they considered “edgy”. The nation of Severance, another top 10 nation, quickly agreed with that, and issued its support. Both the Brotherhood of Nod, and the nation Nak nak, both 10 ten nations themselves, also quickly agreed. Further investigation yielded that the nation of Vrak, and my perennial enemy of Pantera both established their support, and largely disbelief that I had been deleted.
That was the most common reaction, disbelief. For I believe that any nation that has ever really interacted with me realizes that I follow the rules. And I do my best to get others to do it as well. Following the support that was given me, I still didn’t want to disturb the Mods by making this type of post, so instead I searched for a replacement, which was issued in the form of the nation the Knight who says NI, from the nation Nak nak. Unfortunately this nation has been given to the brother of Nak nak, thereby leaving me to either search again, or finally use all the support given to me, and ask to have Tremalkier resurrected.
It is my belief that the reasons for deletion were correct in their original intent, but unfortunately incorrect because of a lack of background knowledge. With the following evidence I provide, as well as my statements above, I hope that this situation can be resolved. Should further evidence be necessary I will do my best to provide it as is requested. And should any support be needed by other nations, I can easily ask any of the nations that have supported me to post their reasons, or anything else that is needed.
“the behavior of KL was the main instigation for the troubles and travails the region faced. KL's oversensitivity was its downfall.”
The Nation of Oakeshottland, following its watching the events from the outside
The following post is a full discussion of one of the original situations
http://invisionfree.com/forums/Armageddon_HQ/index.php?showtopic=83
“I would also like to state that I don't know this Max guy. He is not an ally of mine. Don't associate me with he/she/it”
This is an old quote of Kevin Land’s. In the context it was referring to the actions of one Max and Jess Land, which was later proved to owned by either KL himself, or a co-worker. This is purely character evidence, and shouldn’t be stocked as anything more.
http://invisionfree.com/forums/Armageddon_HQ/index.php?showtopic=77
Another Post that has great quotes about the situations, and our attempts to diffuse them rationally
Unfortunately, I never recorded any telegrams nor did I record any other statements made by Kevin Land on regional boards, as I never foresaw this happening.
Finally, I must ask that only Mods respond to this. As a frequent contributer in this forum myself I know some people will ignore this plea, but I ask the rest of you to please refrain from replying! Basenji and Quaal, as well as other nations along those lines, I especially ask you to refrain from posting. What we don’t need here is the classic super-resurrection post, usually by a major flamer or other malcontent.
Thank you for your time Mods, and I would be happy to help any request for info.
EDIT: I will be gone following this Sunday for a week, so if info is needed, please ask sooner rather than later. Thanks.