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Would someone please explain to this new nation about a little thing we call "God Modding"

The following are telegrams he sent me.

Lunattiks (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/96926/page=display_nation/nation=lunattiks)

Transmition from lunattik ISL


the steller nation of the lunattiks implores you not to test the abilities of my powewrful stealth weapons

we may be small but even you could not possibly take on an entire asteroid belt we have many small and large settlments spread throught this system and our empire spans from the solar corona to the massive oort cloud

my nation holds control of many planetoids which are capable of long intersteller travel each could be set up to be a forward base in any systems oort cloud.

when set up my forces would act as guerrila force attacking your outer outposts and distrupting your economy in the meantime my force would dipurse into our oort cloud and ammass suitable weapons


in short you would lose
and i would win

the reason

intersteller warfare cannot work unless you can live off the land as my people do.


transmission from lunattik ISL

we wish to inform the evil order that we have sucessfuly tested advanced technologies we aquiered from neihgbor states during the lunattik occupation of abandoned government faccilities on the moon.

these tech technologies will allow our guerrilla forces an edge at stealth deployment.

we have begun the retrofit of a planetoid in advance incase the order deceides to launch a first strike

Compare his statistics to Eizen's and either laugh cry, or have amixture of the two. I am officially ignoring him at this time but this issue should be addressed.

Just to let you know-

Mods don't punish bad role play, only deal with people who break the rules of the site.

Just to let you know-

Mods don't punish bad role play, only deal with people who break the rules of the site.

Yes but in situations where roleplaying etiquette is enforced you can ask for advice or some form of intervention.

Right, I was just telling you that the mods aren't going to punish the person for just bad RPing.

I've made it my policey to ignore anyone who can't be bothered to exercise the most basic of grammar and spell check in their posts. This would be one such example of an ignore. I would suggest that you do the same.

It is my fervent belief that if one cannot comprehend the simple concepts of proper execution of the English language (barring those who are not native of course, although they are most typically better than so-called "natives"), then they are far from any ability of understanding the complex and intricite forms of "RP".

In short, to get acknowledged, they gotta learn themselves some English.

I've made it my policey to ignore anyone who can't be nothered to exercise the most basci of grammar and spell check in their posts. This would be one such example of an ignore. I would suggest that you do the same.
*pokes Sketch*
Your policy just ignored yourself.
You've created some sort of tear in the space time continuum, from which there is no escape. :wink:

I've made it my policey to ignore anyone who can't be bothered to exercise the most basic of grammar and spell check in their posts. This would be one such example of an ignore. I would suggest that you do the same.
*pokes Sketch*
Your policy just ignored yourself.
You've created some sort of tear in the space time continuum, from which there is no escape. :wink:

Aiya! I can't beleive I did that!
*looks at Berserker accusingly*
I know you had something to do with that.............. :evil:
*mumbles*
damn fat fingers.......

ooc: me god modd... :twisted: no, i began my nation as a group of right minded advanced peoples sort of the intersteller dutch

i moved from the starting region the pacific to a scifi like region the moon

while there my nation developed steller capabilites and took control of several abbandonded bases left by nations that departed
they had more advanced tech nology athough this was advanced it was not Uber tech just a tactical advantage (stealth) em absorbant materials passive and active

and a few weapons technologies (lasers and rail gun tech)
nothing more advanced than say 2100

after finding the moon to comedic for me i moved on to the belt a vast stretch of resource rich bodies between mars and jupiter

i decided to enter into the community and being in my nature i sent out friendly transmits to other nations some were received well others were received as a decleration of hostility

i decided to have some fun and do some RPing
i took the liberty of establishing some bases around a fictishous sytem to give myself some basic war resources against an enemy ""300 times my size" and declared that i would not be intimidated

this joker responded to me in the following ways:

The New Order of Eizen
Received: 57 minutes ago

OOC: This is ridiculous god modding and you are now officially ignored.

Please see the thread I have begun in the moderation forum.

The New Order of Eizen
Received: 61 minutes ago

Referring you to moderators on accusations of god modding, which is what you are doing.

The New Order of Eizen
Received: 5 hours ago

1 - your n00b nation can launch asteroids at will?, you can't possibly have the tech and even if you did what are those lumbering asteroids going to do to my fleet, which is capable of evading or destroying them anyway and you're so far away from my planet we wouldn't have to deal with it for many many yeas.

2 - you're a damned fool if i'd waste my time RPing with such a puny and pathetic nation anyway, in the end youd be wiped out as quickly as it began.

Id recoommend you stand down. Would you like to RP a war though? If you are so eager to have your ass handed to you by a nation over 300 times your size at the moment then by all means.
The New Order of Eizen
Received: 1 day ago Do not antagonize the Empire further.

Further actions will result in sanctions and aggressive action.

ooc:

ignored.

I've made it my policey to ignore anyone who can't be bothered to exercise the most basic of grammar and spell check in their posts. This would be one such example of an ignore. I would suggest that you do the same.
*pokes Sketch*
Your policy just ignored yourself.
You've created some sort of tear in the space time continuum, from which there is no escape. :wink:

Aiya! I can't beleive I did that!
*looks at Berserker accusingly*
I know you had something to do with that.............. :evil:
*mumbles*
damn fat fingers.......*cackles*
Mwuhahahaha :twisted:
*hands Sketch popcorn*
Might as well watch these two argue

:|

So you started as an über techy nation?

ooc: me god modd... :twisted: no, i began my nation as a group of right minded advanced peoples sort of the intersteller dutch

i moved from the starting region the pacific to a scifi like region the moon

while there my nation developed steller capabilites and took control of several abbandonded bases left by nations that departed
they had more advanced tech nology athough this was advanced it was not Uber tech just a tactical advantage (stealth) em absorbant materials passive and active

and a few weapons technologies (lasers and rail gun tech)
nothing more advanced than say 2100

after finding the moon to comedic for me i moved on to the belt a vast stretch of resource rich bodies between mars and jupiter

i decided to enter into the community and being in my nature i sent out friendly transmits to other nations some were received well others were received as a decleration of hostility

i decided to have some fun and do some RPing
i took the liberty of establishing some bases around a fictishous sytem to give myself some basic war resources against an enemy ""300 times my size" and declared that i would not be intimidated

this joker responded to me in the following ways:

Hey idiot, do you even check the profiles of ther nations? I have well over 2 billion people compared to your 7 MILLION. My damn military outnumbers your whole population. You signed up within the last few dyas and Ive been around for over a year yet Im supposed to accept that you are superior?

:|

So you started as an über techy nation?

see what I mean?

Lunatiks.....

Why did you just chose Eizen out of a hat and try to make yourself look like a moron?

ooc: me god modd... :twisted: no, i began my nation as a group of right minded advanced peoples sort of the intersteller dutch

i moved from the starting region the pacific to a scifi like region the moon

while there my nation developed steller capabilites and took control of several abbandonded bases left by nations that departed
they had more advanced tech nology athough this was advanced it was not Uber tech just a tactical advantage (stealth) em absorbant materials passive and active

and a few weapons technologies (lasers and rail gun tech)
nothing more advanced than say 2100

after finding the moon to comedic for me i moved on to the belt a vast stretch of resource rich bodies between mars and jupiter

i decided to enter into the community and being in my nature i sent out friendly transmits to other nations some were received well others were received as a decleration of hostility

i decided to have some fun and do some RPing
i took the liberty of establishing some bases around a fictishous sytem to give myself some basic war resources against an enemy ""300 times my size" and declared that i would not be intimidated

this joker responded to me in the following ways:

Hey idiot, do you even check the profiles of ther nations? I have well over 2 billion people compared to your 7 MILLION. My damn military outnumbers your whole population. You signed up within the last few dyas and Ive been around for over a year yet Im supposed to accept that you are superior?Please, don't resort to flaming. It wastes space, and will get you deleted.

a small gurrila foce can take on and oppose a much large nation
ant to point out something.... do you even know what the strategies are for steller warfare :?:


a nation as small as me could easily evade your rather large bumbling one
even if you launched 70 million people to confront me where are you going to get the resources and ships an qualified pilots in such a short time :!:

my nation is so small and so well spread around the system that your force would be hard pressed to make an impact :P

i could deliver a small force into your teritory to strategicaly destroy your holdings 8)

in short im like a whisper in the night and your a rock concert so try and find me in all your own noise :D :D

Im stating the facts albeit angrily,look at what I wrote again and try and find one insult or flame.

Im stating the facts albeit angrily,look at what I wrote again and try and find one insult or flame.

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:18 am Post subject: Re: humm god modding

Hey idiot, do you even check the profiles of ther nations? I have well over 2 billion people compared to your 7 MILLION. My damn military outnumbers your whole population. You signed up within the last few dyas and Ive been around for over a year yet Im supposed to accept that you are superior? [/i]
Not the worst flame, but a flame none the less.

Ok, well even if he is GodModding, yelling at him and calling him names isn't going to help. Why not teach some basic rules of role-play and make him a better role player?

Lunattiks-

You may want to read the stickies (The topics with a blob in front of their titles) in NationStates and International Incidents before you start claiming you have such tech. It's cool if you want to start as a future tech nation, but you can't have uber weapons when you're so young. People don't like it, as you can see. :wink:

If you look in Tech under "Scolos big Tech Sticky List", you'll find a GDP calculator. Use that to find out your GDP, so you won't be accused of GodModding again.

Good luck, and have fun! :D

~Bas

Im stating the facts albeit angrily,look at what I wrote again and try and find one insult or flame.


:?:


2 - you're a damned fool if i'd waste my time RPing with such a puny and pathetic nation anyway, in the end youd be wiped out as quickly as it began.

Id recoommend you stand down. Would you like to RP a war though? If you are so eager to have your ass handed to you by a nation over 300 times your size at the moment then by all means.


hmm insult? YES

didnt even bother asking me OOC what exactly i had

and BTW mass drivers are no more advanced than any other weapon just fantastic inpower and as a propulsion system

Im stating the facts albeit angrily,look at what I wrote again and try and find one insult or flame.

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:18 am Post subject: Re: humm god modding

Hey idiot, do you even check the profiles of ther nations? I have well over 2 billion people compared to your 7 MILLION. My damn military outnumbers your whole population. You signed up within the last few dyas and Ive been around for over a year yet Im supposed to accept that you are superior? [/i]
Not the worst flame, but a flame none the less.

OOC:

Come on, Berserker. This Lunnatik send him the telegram first. Stop looking for niggly little "well, uh, could be a flame" when Lunnatik should be chastised for sending unwanted telegrams.

Best thing you can do Eizen is to add Lunnatik to the ignore telegram list. Best thing the mods could do is to lock this thread.

*hands Sketch popcorn*
Might as well watch these two argue

*Takes the popcorn and watches on*
Hey hey! Play nice kiddies!

mass drivers are not uber tech any well funded nation could make a killer just no one on earth has made anything massive yet just checkout what MIT did with a few thosand and some elctronics parts

then scale that up, add power a nice position outside a deep gravity well aim and fire

those guys on the moon could take out anycity on earth with a large version

Can everyone calm down, take a few deep breaths and maybe even leave the area for a while before returning your everyday businesses on this site?
Just sit down, all of you and I'll try to come up with some solution which will make everyone reasonably happy.

Lunattiks, I can see your argument that a small but highly-trained force is capable of overwhelming a larger and more cumbersome one. History shows that it can and does happen every now and then.
However, history also tends to show that the larger forces are larger because of inherent advantages in raising men and materiel to fight back against the smaller forces. A line I particularly like is "America will win her future engagements not on the battlefield but in the bedchamber" - spoken in relation to a newly-independent nation rather than the superpower of today's world.
In other words, while your forces may theoretically be able to inflict a defeat or two (maybe even a spectacular defeat or two) on those of a nation of more than 2 billion people, there is no way in the world that you would be able to defeat them unless they were led by the single most incompetent series of leaders in history.

Further, if we discard history as a valid source of argument, the accepted rules in this neck of the woods are that the big guys beat the small guys unless there are very good reasons why not.

Therefore, can you try not to launch planetoids at people and play in a manner slightly more commensurate with your population please?

the rules of war on a galactic scale a different

widely separate teritories,
innabilty to bring large sums of men and materials with you
lack of immediate backup
these are all my advantages

he is at a terrible disadvantage
even if he launched ten times my population to attack me where does he get materials and resources in his own system and in mine
how can he deal with a force that moves on the fly and is familiar with the land

communication and planning are also dig problems

how to advise a force several lightyears away?
how to retain ground when you are surrounded
how not to harm civilians or to keep the locals happy

he would not even know where i was unless i exposed myself

the buety of space is in the details: no lines can be held
no defenses for major targets

inshort he may be occupide by trying to hold planets while i will make the land his enemy

I'm tempted to ask how you know so much about galactic warfare, but I won't.

Instead I'll say that that hardly matters. What matters is the fact that 2+ billion is massively more than 7 million. I don't care if every single one of your population is a trained killing machine, there is no way in the world (or off it) that you will be able to defeat your chosen enemy unless you have assistance from many other nations.

how many ships could he seriously launch and how many people on them?

even my Basic sensors could detect his forces launch and warn my people to go into hiding and to begin a war industry

in my info it says feircly patriotic and that is an understament we have the will to fight and the means to do it and what does it sovle for him to inveade my empty system where hill find only losses

how can he fight forces spread across the entire system
how can he hope to conqure a nation spread so thin that we disappear

its not possible


from what i know supperior forces do not allways mean supperior power
an enemy that blends into the surroundings can pop up behind you and take you out quickly and quietly

i know that most people dont even begin to imagin the vast reaches of space



shall i go on?

Not to interrupt such rousing debate, I'd like to point out that roleplay issues are technically out of mod territory.

Lunattiks, before you get so gung-ho about roleplaying wars and such, I would highly recommend you browse the Nationstates and International Incidents forums to get a better idea of how war is played out here- there is a lot of stuff in the roleplaying aspect besides war, and claiming spacecraft or ubertech (especially against a 2 billion pop nation) will more likely than not get you Ignored by people.

im trying to role play a more or less real nation of the 22nd century
i have moddified my stats in fairness to a battle with Mr. @ billion pop
to point out something its not as if he will transport 70 million soildiers to the belt, a few million maybe but not 700 or 70 million

he will not be able to sustain his forces if he takes more than a few million

his funding will only help him to build his innitial ships but when he arrives he is on his own no billions to supply the war when he arrives

and if he thinks it will be easy he must think again
an entire nation against a portion of his army

he may land on the planets for supplies but he will get smeared by my froces because he will be sitting at the bottom of a deep gravity well

he may suceed at taking out some of my habitats but he will be hard pressed to destroy 10,000 people at a time and having over 500 of them he will have trouble just locating them

Oh, can I note, Lunattiks, perservering on your lost cause is not going to win this case for you. Like our two kind mods and Bas have said, read up on how we RP here at NS before trying anything.

he challenged me to a fight on my own Turf and i told him it wouldnt be fair
he would be at a disadvantage since the time he launches
i would have years to build forces to meet him and as anyone knows people know when war is coming and breed like crazy to fill the gap
his huge population would be left behind b/c he cant make ships for 500 million or even 100 just to many constraints

i am rping by more or less real rules and from the knowledge of what is possible in the 22 century

Role Play on NationStates (Fukzors!)
The great thing about NationStates' forums is that they are "free form". Free form means there are no rules regarding Role Play. There are rules governing behaviour in the forums, but not how you role play. That means, you can decided to pick 20 random nations and invade them, yes, this is frowned upon by many, but it is just an example of what free form means.
On NationStates, a main part of role play is war. There are many happening everyday, yet, none seem to work out well. When roleplaying a war, remember one thing. That is not to try to win. Far to many times, one nation will be losing a battle, when the owner gets mad out of character and goes ballistic and starts to flame. Flamming is arguing beyond the point of a valid debate, and more along the lines of "You f--- ing noob! Your mom!".. Which really scares me when I think that this game gets to users that much.



a stellar war is good for the defenders and bad for attackers when the defenders can be on the move and are widely dipersed

i gave him a friendly transmition and he smacked me in the face saying "what u got puny?" i replied by telling him "bring it on"

If you've modified your stats to compensate for the size disparity, wouldn't that indicate you've got some problems here?

Just for future reference, I'm not posting as a Mod here so much as I am a senior player who is hoping to see a spot of sanity here from all parties.

Hmmm, I don't object to the concept of future-tech nation. I think that small nations should not let them selves be bullied by large ones...

but as a amateur tactician, I would have to point out that his disadvantages are yours also. How are you going to tell your widely disperate people to all simultaneously go into hiding? If your sensors can find him to let you run, his can find you to pursue... and the bigger the GDP, the more they can afford to spend on ships that can catch yours (and the quicker he can produce them).

Where were you planning to hide? There really aren't many objects to hide behind in deep space. As for the disparity of size... he could deploy many fleets, each independently capable of destroying your main force. He has enough disparity to do so... so wherever you decide to strike him from, he will have the advantage.


Now, I know a lot about asymetric warfare... but the fact is that supposing any form of sensors in space... there really isn't anywhere to hide. Especially when you realise that asteroid belts are not like they are in Star Wars... there is plenty of distance between them to watch where the people go.
Of course, if there are no sensors and we're relying on close range stuff they you probably wont see him comming until he's close enough to overhaul you with his vee no matter where you move from there. And by back-tracking your signal from the telegram, someone could find the location of at least one of your bases in space.

In addition, you have to consider all the other space-nations out there... the moon is full, there are at least three Mars regions and you can't sneeze in Jupiter orbit without hitting a Yut spacecraft. These resources may once have been free, but others have been raiding them for much longer.

Hmmm, I don't object to the concept of future-tech nation. I think that small nations should not let them selves be bullied by large ones...

but as a amateur tactician, I would have to point out that his disadvantages are yours also. How are you going to tell your widely disperate people to all simultaneously go into hiding? If your sensors can find him to let you run, his can find you to pursue... and the bigger the GDP, the more they can afford to spend on ships that can catch yours (and the quicker he can produce them).

Where were you planning to hide? There really aren't many objects to hide behind in deep space. As for the disparity of size... he could deploy many fleets, each independently capable of destroying your main force. He has enough disparity to do so... so wherever you decide to strike him from, he will have the advantage.


Now, I know a lot about asymetric warfare... but the fact is that supposing any form of sensors in space... there really isn't anywhere to hide. Especially when you realise that asteroid belts are not like they are in Star Wars... there is plenty of distance between them to watch where the people go.
Of course, if there are no sensors and we're relying on close range stuff they you probably wont see him comming until he's close enough to overhaul you with his vee no matter where you move from there. And by back-tracking your signal from the telegram, someone could find the location of at least one of your bases in space.

In addition, you have to consider all the other space-nations out there... the moon is full, there are at least three Mars regions and you can't sneeze in Jupiter orbit without hitting a Yut spacecraft. These resources may once have been free, but others have been raiding them for much longer.Saturn orbit. Titan orbits Saturn. Unless you're counting the fleet build up around Io.

Lunattiks, having 7 million people "widely" dispersed over a hundred planetoids is military blunder. Each planetoid now only has 7000 people defending it. 7000 will lose to a larger force due to simple attrition.

And while he can't build ships for half his pop, neither can you. The same size and logistics restrictions apply to both sides of the battle.

Also, while free-form means you can declare war at random if you so choose, it also means that people don't have to RP with you. And they don't even have to have a reason. (And frankly if you're going to declare war at random, you don't have the right to complain when people ignore you.)

And war is far, far from the only RP available. Often the best RP's are character RPs.

[....]and from the knowledge of what is possible in the 22 century

tell me, how do you know that?

how can he hope to conqure a nation spread so thin that we disappear
by invading, perhaps? he won't have many enemies to combat that way.

widely separate teritories,
innabilty to bring large sums of men and materials with you
lack of immediate backup
these are all my advantages

and they're also your disadvantages

*Suddenly stands up*

Whoa :shock: ! In a single moment of sudden comprehensible text emmenating from Lunattiks, I have reached a revelation. Whoever this guy is, he's trolling. Please continue reading form my explanation.

If you will notice, this person has been posting up until this point without any regard for punctuation, capitalization, or gramartization (made that one up myself). But suddenly.....a nice clear post which one could read without causing a pounding headache. This person even presents a valid argument....sorta, when compared to the drivel from before.

Role Play on NationStates (Fukzors!)
The great thing about NationStates' forums is that they are "free form". Free form means there are no rules regarding Role Play. There are rules governing behaviour in the forums, but not how you role play. That means, you can decided to pick 20 random nations and invade them, yes, this is frowned upon by many, but it is just an example of what free form means.
On NationStates, a main part of role play is war. There are many happening everyday, yet, none seem to work out well. When roleplaying a war, remember one thing. That is not to try to win. Far to many times, one nation will be losing a battle, when the owner gets mad out of character and goes ballistic and starts to flame. Flamming is arguing beyond the point of a valid debate, and more along the lines of "You f--- ing noob! Your mom!".. Which really scares me when I think that this game gets to users that much.

However, once the point is made, this person suddenly lapses back into "n00b mode". Indicating that they are only seeking to get a rise out of the players here. Observe:

a stellar war is good for the defenders and bad for attackers when the defenders can be on the move and are widely dipersed

i gave him a friendly transmition and he smacked me in the face saying "what u got puny?" i replied by telling him "bring it on"

A sudden lack of capitalization, a halfhearted attempt at punctuation, run on sentences, etc etc. How does one go from having a grasp of the English language to not getting it at all? Simple........this person is trying to cause trouble. My best guess is that this person is either a DEAT "victim", someone who has it out for Eizen, a bitter ex-RP'r who was laughed out by the NS community, or............a Mod loooking for a good time (gotta cater to the conspiracy theories out there).

I would stronly suggest completely ignoring this person altogther. Eventually they will resort to committing a DEATable offense, and the mods will take care of it from there.

*sits back down*
*continues eating popcorn*

wow Sketch, that almost made sense, the only problem is the 'post part 1' followed by the 'post part 1'.

j/k sketchie

Wow Sketch.
*grabs a handful of popcorn*

The great thing about NationStates' forums is that they are "free form". Free form means there are no rules regarding Role Play.

That is true, however, there is a community dynamic that I'm sure somebody could write a very fascinating term paper on. Players who tend to buck 'accepted' roleplay etiquette are generally ignored, ridiculed, and generally not well-received, especially on things such as war. (And I would have to disagree that 'most' or even 'lots' of NS roleplays are wars. There are diplomatic affairs, special operations, research, trade pacts, character RPs, sports RPs, etc etc. If you want a war, go play Earth 2025 or Narmir or something)

One of the accepted bits of freeform etiquette is that a smaller nation simply does not have the same production or research capacity (based on population, income tax, and economy rating), and simply has not existed long enough to develop certain things, while older nations have had the time, manpower, and funding to go into space or develop nuclear weapons and high-end sensor equipment and the like. I think that somewhat helps keep the older nations busy with eachother, and leaves the younger nations to develop.

And if a bigger nation says they're invading you? Well, either talk to the player and work out some ideas (a fight for independance from an oppressor is always a good start), or simply ignore that player. You don't have to play with somebody, and people don't have to play with you.

~Reppy

i think he copied the first part from some sticky...

I agree with this:

Best thing you can do Eizen is to add Lunnatik to the ignore telegram list. Best thing the mods could do is to lock this thread.

Now, since no mod action seems to be required here, :arrow: NationStates?

first of all i'm not a modd second i didnt have it out for ezien till he insulted me i just made a friendly transmition to him and he insulted me
third this range of grammer id the best i can manage on a keyboard while thinking ahead.

i just whanted a people that represented me

i do not allow people in RL to boss me just because they are larger or wealthier and i am not about to start

i dont think NS system is the best jumping off point for my kind of nation but i will try
notice that not once in anything have i said anything remotely as insulting as ezein has said to me

The New Order of Eizen
Received: 12 hours ago whatever n00b
The New Order of Eizen
Received: 13 hours ago Cry me a River


even more pitiful than my typing skills and an insult to his nation to boot

Both of you should just block the other nation's telegrams IMHO.

i'd like that but will wait this out :D

The New Order of Eizen
Received: 12 hours ago whatever n00b
The New Order of Eizen
Received: 13 hours ago Cry me a River


even more pitiful than my typing skills and an insult to his nation to boot

Even now the world's smallest violin is playing just for you, Ive already blocked you and told you as much. maybe looking back on this thread one day will help you to be able to actually participate as opposed to your galactic spanning empire with a mere 7 million people.

In addition, you have to consider all the other space-nations out there... the moon is full, there are at least three Mars regions and you can't sneeze in Jupiter orbit without hitting a Yut spacecraft. These resources may once have been free, but others have been raiding them for much longer.Saturn orbit. Titan orbits Saturn. Unless you're counting the fleet build up around Io.


Oops. Oh drat.
There goes that invasion plan.

:wink:

As a nation of close to 2 billion space faring Giant Evil Spiders, I feel it my duty to eat these puny Lunatikksens.

-- Empress Petra, Psychotic Dictator of the Arachnarchy of Espario

This thread is coming very close to being Painfully Silly.

I think it's passed that point now. In fact, it's heading wildly off-topic and should by rights move somewhere else.
Instead, since it would continue off-topic anywhere it went, I'm locking 'er down.