NationStates Jolt Archive

There's a bit of a movement in Canada to have a founder installed, and I was wondering if one of you moderators would be so kind as to pound out a bit of an explanation as to the opinion of the game administrators on this particular issue.

They mean well, but I'm afraid that they're unwittingly trying to pry open pandoras box. In any case, any evidence of the actual founder of Canada has long since been erased from the annals of NS.

If you could help me put an end to this debate, I'd certainly appreciate it.

Mod will not appoint founders unless it falls under 'special situations'.

Do you know where I can find a post from a moderator on this subject?

Bas is completely correct. By and large, we won't appoint a new founder - even where the old one is long dead.

Thank you.

Well if all the nations agrre to leave for a while until the region dies then some one can re-found it but the nations all have to agrre i think

*waiting for mod ruling*

Quite true, Attitude. Infuriating as it may seem, that's pretty much the only way to be guaranteed of having a founder for a user-created region these days.

The nations of Canada have been notified on the regional board.
Beauty, eh?

Quite true, Attitude. Infuriating as it may seem, that's pretty much the only way to be guaranteed of having a founder for a user-created region these days.


But it wouldn't work for Canada as it has so many members,

Also true.

For us to simply move everyone out to a temporary region and then back in again would be problematic at best and a nightmare at worst.

Does the size of the region count in our favour? If there is a way of coding a founder into the region then how do we go about it?

At the moment I am just asking for info so that we can put it to the member nations of my region.

To elaborate on what Enodia and Attitude 910 touched upon....

Do not use ejection powers to empty the region. This is griefing and anyone who does it will be deleted. Those endorsing the griefer also risk being deleted.

The current Delegate (if NOT an invader) may impose a password so that nations cannot emter the region. Then, all one needs to do is wait for resident nations to die of inactivity or leave.

Be sure to agree upon who is going to be the new Founder. Preferably someone who is going to be available just after update time to refound the region. As a single person may have their schedule interrupeted by real life, you should agree on a list of people who everyone feels can be trusted with Founder powers. That way, that increases the chances of the region being refounded by one of the intended nations.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Do not use ejection powers to empty the region. This is griefing and anyone who does it will be deleted. Those endorsing the griefer also risk being deleted.
Point of order, and in purely academic interest:

If Canada (for instance) decided to refound, could they not plan a date and time, set up a temp region, etc. Then before they left, the Delegate could eject a given percentage of long-term inactives and vacationers, accompanied with friendly telegrams of explanation, of course.

That way, they wouldn't have to wait a full 60 days for the last vacationer to expire ... or worse, one to come back, not notice he was alone, and go back into vacation mode for another 60 days?

Just idle curiousity and mechanical interest. I thought I read that the Delegate has some latitude in these matters.

Thanks Cogitation, but we aren't about to go ejecting anyone at the moment for any reason.

Emptying the region is not something we want to do. The upheaval would just complicate everything we have just been through an election to clarify. Its NOT something we are considering as a viable option.

Point of order, and in purely academic interest:

If Canada (for instance) decided to refound, could they not plan a date and time, set up a temp region, etc. Then before they left, the Delegate could eject a given percentage of long-term inactives and vacationers, accompanied with friendly telegrams of explanation, of course.

That way, they wouldn't have to wait a full 60 days for the last vacationer to expire ... or worse, one to come back, not notice he was alone, and go back into vacation mode for another 60 days?

Just idle curiousity and mechanical interest. I thought I read that the Delegate has some latitude in these matters.

Hmmm....

I'll go double-check this.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

Thanks for doing the research for us. We appreciate it.

I have one other question. Does anyone have any examples of where this has been successfully performed in the past?

"Mod will not appoint founders unless it falls under 'special situations'."

Can we also ask what these special situations are?

"Mod will not appoint founders unless it falls under 'special situations'."

Can we also ask what these special situations are?
It's a case-by-case thing. We don't say "these are special situations" as a hard and fast rule because what suits one region may be completely inadequate for another.
Suffice it to say that if yours were a special case, a founder would have been installed by now.
(Apologies if that sounded a bit harsh in the last sentence. It conveyed the meaning, but I can't get it to sound more pleasant)

s'alright Enodia, I don't take offence by it.

So just for the record, the size of the region doesn't mark use out for special consideration in this? (275 at the moment)

Does anyone remember when the upheaval of creating a new region worked for a region of a similar size?

There is a wealth of feeling on this at the moment, and I am not even sure that the region would go for it as a region if it were even offered. I just want an answer to these two things and then I will consider the matter ruled upon, and report back to my region.

The size of the region doesn't sway my definition of special circumstances. I can't vouch for everyone (or anyone) else's.

Thats cool. I am still waiting for Cogitation to get back about the leeway afforded to the UN delegate during a region move. I can wait.

I'd just like as much info on this as possible. i think we feel a little in the dark on the matter and we'd just like a definitive answer on the subject.

The only "special circumstance" that I've ever seen was Europe (864 nations).

Goobergunchia
Non-Moderator

Okay, I've discussed this with the other Moderators. Ejecting some inactive nations prior to the voluntary evacuation is acceptable as long as the number of inactives to be kicked is a small number compared to the total population. However, under no circumstances is it acceptable to kick out an inactive (but alive) Founder.

Get an estimate of how many nations are willing to voluntarily evacuate and how many nations are not responding to replies.

If no invasion has taken place, then the Delegate may impose a password on the region.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Get an estimate of how many nations are willing to voluntarily evacuate and how many nations are not responding to replies.
Loophole: do the mods need to know this in advance to avoid accusations of griefing? A couple of thoughts occur...

1. Publicly announce to the NS world (in Moderation or Gameplay, for instance), "Canada is going to be emptied tonight. 1st lucky SOB to refound it post-update wins." Ummm...

2. File a Getting Help request under Other: Response to moderator - "Canada is refounding Thursday, Feb 19. 124 nations have agreed with the timing, 62 nations have not been online or not responded to telegrams. Those 62 will be ejected, and Bweezystan will refound on Friday if all goes as planned."

Of course it's all moot if lurkers in the region or RR decide to break ranks.