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How is this possible, I have one of the fastest LAN lines available, and last 3 weeks, it was impossible to get on the forum. To log in is never a problem but getting on the forum is impossible, even with this power. Can't you start NS completely overnew on a decent server, this one can hardly take 140 persons.
Do it or we will, jesus, a decent server just costs 400$ or €, and I am aware that this one costs about 350. (Told by mods on the server topic).

You should be ashame. The real UN can handle millions of log ins, a decent ski site even can handle with 1000's of log ins. Things were better last year with my tele line, so it is the server that is culpable (infected?)

Did you have to post this over multiple pages? :roll:

Uh, well done.
You've just spammed up moderation :roll:
It has been said numerous times that a fix is in the works.
NationStates will soon be moving to a much better, and much faster server.
Appreciate that this game is run out of the pocket of Max Barry, and Max can't exactly afford a Cray Supercomputer with an OC-255 connection.

oh yea your cool :roll:

what an idiot :shock:

...because you just made the server so much better by filling up two pages with your topics.

Wow--only been playing a few months, and seen Mod spammed twice. Is this a common happening?

How is this possible, I have one of the fastest LAN lines available, and last 3 weeks, it was impossible to get on the forum. To log in is never a problem but getting on the forum is impossible, even with this power. Can't you start NS completely overnew on a decent server, this one can hardly take 140 persons.
Do it or we will, jesus, a decent server just costs 400$ or €, and I am aware that this one costs about 350. (Told by mods on the server topic).

Yeah, $400 to buy it. Now supply it with bandwidth every month. A few more hundred every month. Mr. Barry is going to switch the forums over to Jolt soon, which will improve forum performance drastically. Until then, sit tight and be patient.

I assume that the spamming was an accident.

iMassDelete many, many topics.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

FYI:

Max is currently spending $400 (USD) every month just to cover the bandwidth costs of this "free" game.

Furthermore, the problem isn't the number of users at a given time, really. The problem is the hundreds of thousands of posts and threads on this site. That is commonly refered to as a "massive resource drain".

FYI:

Max is currently spending $400 (USD) every month just to cover the bandwidth costs of this "free" game.

Furthermore, the problem isn't the number of users at a given time, really. The problem is the hundreds of thousands of posts and threads on this site. That is commonly refered to as a "massive resource drain".

How come then it seems to slow down at the same time of day, every day?

Up until about midday (UK time), the things fine, we have no problems. It slows at midday and again at 5pm (again UK time)?

I notice that the forums get nearly instantaneous late night in the US (EST). Sorry Hack, but I think the number of users accessing the forums does indeed affect it. Although, the large number of threads would also have a large affect on load time, the daily forum delays and errors follow too much of a pattern to be purely topic volume related.

I notice that the forums get nearly instantaneous late night in the US (EST). Sorry Hack, but I think the number of users accessing the forums does indeed affect it. Although, the large number of threads would also have a large affect on load time, the daily forum delays and errors follow too much of a pattern to be purely topic volume related.

What time are the game updates done? DOes anyone know?

I don't think they have been doing updates. Unless you mean the UN and issue updates, well the issues happen every 12 hours I think and the UN is 24 hours (I think). My connection to the forums is fastest in the middle of the night when the UN and one of the issue updates occurs.

I don't think they have been doing updates. Unless you mean the UN and issue updates, well the issues happen every 12 hours I think and the UN is 24 hours (I think). My connection to the forums is fastest in the middle of the night when the UN and one of the issue updates occurs.

ah.. ok.. not that then!

FYI:

Max is currently spending $400 (USD) every month just to cover the bandwidth costs of this "free" game.

Furthermore, the problem isn't the number of users at a given time, really. The problem is the hundreds of thousands of posts and threads on this site. That is commonly refered to as a "massive resource drain".

How come then it seems to slow down at the same time of day, every day?

Up until about midday (UK time), the things fine, we have no problems. It slows at midday and again at 5pm (again UK time)?

Allow me to clarify...

Yes, high usage slows things down, but the base problem is the amount of information in the database. If, say, 3/4ths of the threads suddenly ceased to exist, we could have more users on without lag. As the posts increase, the threshhold of users decreases.

It is called updates.

You know, the calculations for each nation growth, posting of new issues, affecting the nation's status with the previous decissions made, assemble the UN statistics, regional happenings, deletion of inactive nations and so on. Twice a day, more or less at the same time each day.

There are a lot of nations on this game, and the update must be done for each of them, be them active or about to be erased. That takes a lot of processing power.

You know, the calculations for each nation growth, posting of new issues, affecting the nation's status with the previous decissions made, assemble the UN statistics, regional happenings, deletion of inactive nations and so on. Twice a day, more or less at the same time each day.


Actually, the big UN update (new Delegates, compiling world rankings, etc) is the one that creates huge lag. The whole site slows down for that one.

Allow me to clarify...

Yes, high usage slows things down, but the base problem is the amount of information in the database. If, say, 3/4ths of the threads suddenly ceased to exist, we could have more users on without lag. As the posts increase, the threshhold of users decreases.

Thanks Hack :)


Are any of the server problems related to the 'ghost pages'?

On the coffee shop thread now:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119175&start=600

there are TWO ghost pages where it says 'No posts exist for this topic'.. what causes this?

+note+ it's back down to 'just' one again!

I think that's really just an annoyance more than anything.

I think that's really just an annoyance more than anything.

:?

So no-one knows why it happens? Spooky!

Could it be having an adverse affect on the server?

That might just be a phpBB bug that the phpBB Group needs to fix.

FYI:

Max is currently spending $400 (USD) every month just to cover the bandwidth costs of this "free" game.

Furthermore, the problem isn't the number of users at a given time, really. The problem is the hundreds of thousands of posts and threads on this site. That is commonly refered to as a "massive resource drain".

How come then it seems to slow down at the same time of day, every day?

Up until about midday (UK time), the things fine, we have no problems. It slows at midday and again at 5pm (again UK time)?

5pm is usually the prime time for people to login to any server in their free time. Most people get off work/school at around that time so it doesn't suprise me (nor should it suprise anyone else) that this server lags between the hours of 5pm-10pm. Yes, I agree that they do need to get better servers and add bandwidth. But remember, as it was said before, this does cost money; if you are going to complain about something that is free than you should just go somewhere else.

Are any of the server problems related to the 'ghost pages'?

On the coffee shop thread now:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119175&start=600

there are TWO ghost pages where it says 'No posts exist for this topic'.. what causes this?

I believe that this is caused by the forum not counting the number of posts in a topic correctly when posts are deleted from a topic.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Did you have to post this over multiple pages? :roll:

Well that is because of the server, I have the same problem and then it results in multiple posts.

I assume that the spamming was an accident.

iMassDelete many, many topics.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Guess that there were a lot of double posts?
It took me 24 minutes of clicking on the log in click to arrive till here. cliking "post" a lot of times is often the only way to have a result. You can not expect then that the person will delete his own double posts if it allready takes him 30 minutes to make 1. If there was no severe server problem, I would delete them myself, but I would take me 5 weeks tto delete 2 pages of DPs this way. Guess that some persons here, when I watch the reactions, don't have a clue of the severness of the situation with the server here in EU, every hour now.

oh yea your cool :roll:

what an idiot :shock:


First, you don't know me.
Second, I'll never discuss with you, the worlds only living braindonor. :roll:
You must have lost lot's of discussions with me to use your puppet.

...because you just made the server so much better by filling up two pages with your topics.

Like said, this is due to the server. think before posting :roll:

I notice that the forums get nearly instantaneous late night in the US (EST). Sorry Hack, but I think the number of users accessing the forums does indeed affect it. Although, the large number of threads would also have a large affect on load time, the daily forum delays and errors follow too much of a pattern to be purely topic volume related.

I don't think that the number of users accessing the forums is the problem, since the biggest problem is getting just on the forum. After that, goigto "General" is dificult but can work sometimes if you try 2/3 minutes continuously.
The large number of threads is the problem. Posters with 16.000 post still on NS are the problem, a solution could be that NS only collects last 500 posts and erases the others. A pitty for those "powerbrokers" but their mass posting is the problem. Or erase every message older then 2 months. I never saw this problem on any other site then NS. After all, only 200-300 people frequent NS regularly, so we can not speak of a massive frequented site with 1000 of posters like on the real UN fora and some history sites.

I suppose posting nine times in a row is an improvement on two pages of topics...but not by much.

Did you not just learn your lesson? Your post goes through the FIRST time you click the 'post' button. It is only necessary to click this button ONCE..

Like said, this is due to the server. think before posting :roll:
The server is bad for everyone; you were the only one who managed to 'accidentally' post two pages of topics. And post the same thing nine times. Somehow, I find it difficult to believe it when you blame this entirely on the server.

I suppose posting nine times in a row is an improvement on two pages of topics...but not by much.

Did you not just learn your lesson? Your post goes through the FIRST time you click the 'post' button. It is only necessary to click this button ONCE..
Not always. I've had posts just not go through at all. What I do is if a post doesn't appear to go through is attempt to load the page the post should have shown up in a different tab. If it didn't show up I'll try again. And if I did post twice because I was impatient while waiting for the server to do anything, I'm usually quick enough to delete the duplicate post. But it is a major pain. It may take half an hour to manage to post something, but I'm generally doing something else while waiting.

BTW, when I can't delete duplicate posts, I will edit them to say dp.

P.S. This post didn't go through the first time. This server has been particularly unresponsive the past few days.

I suppose posting nine times in a row is an improvement on two pages of topics...but not by much.

Did you not just learn your lesson? Your post goes through the FIRST time you click the 'post' button. It is only necessary to click this button ONCE..

Like said, this is due to the server. think before posting :roll:
The server is bad for everyone; you were the only one who managed to 'accidentally' post two pages of topics. And post the same thing nine times. Somehow, I find it difficult to believe it when you blame this entirely on the server.

Sadly it happens. I've made 5 or 6 double posts before and I don't use the post button multiple times! This HAS happened to me when making a new thread too.. causing a couple of duplicate threads to sppear.

I don't know whether this is a puppet of someone, but if not, I note you've only got 422 posts to your name, so is it possible you've just never experienced this problem?

I suppose posting nine times in a row is an improvement on two pages of topics...but not by much.

Did you not just learn your lesson? Your post goes through the FIRST time you click the 'post' button. It is only necessary to click this button ONCE..

Like said, this is due to the server. think before posting :roll:
The server is bad for everyone; you were the only one who managed to 'accidentally' post two pages of topics. And post the same thing nine times. Somehow, I find it difficult to believe it when you blame this entirely on the server.

You really don't get it, don't ya?
Tought you can read, but I am wrong.
Poor thing.

Like said, I will not lose my time by editing this when the problem lies with the server. A post almost NEVER goes trough when you click the "submit" button, chances are much higher when you try a double post. Sometimes, you can try an hour to get trough, you have that time, I don't. A better server and the problems are solved.

An improvement is when you stay of the board, you just aren't valuable.."Quantité négligable", I checked some of your posts and only see a waist of space on NS...

Sadly it happens. I've made 5 or 6 double posts before and I don't use the post button multiple times! This HAS happened to me when making a new thread too.. causing a couple of duplicate threads to sppear.

I don't know whether this is a puppet of someone, but if not, I note you've only got 422 posts to your name, so is it possible you've just never experienced this problem?
No, of course I'm not a puppet. Look at my founding date. But let's not judge someone else by the amount of spam they have on a particular forum, ok? And yes, I have experienced this problem - somehow, though, I have managed to only double post once or twice, and I've always caught it and deleted it.

Like said, I will not lose my time by editing this when the problem lies with the server. A post almost NEVER goes trough when you click the "submit" button, chances are much higher when you try a double post. Sometimes, you can try an hour to get trough, you have that time, I don't. A better server and the problems are solved. If you consider trying to make constructive posts on here, and keeping them constructive, a waste of time, don't post at all. And you're actually wrong about it almost never going through... as evidenced by your mass over posting. Of course, I agree that we need a better server, but there have been several people repeating that we know there's a problem, we will get one, and something is being done about the problem.

And as much as I'd like to respond to the flamebait about the quality of my posts, I'm going to do my part to let this thread, whose question could have been answered in the first place by reading the stickies (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112556), die.

Sadly it happens. I've made 5 or 6 double posts before and I don't use the post button multiple times! This HAS happened to me when making a new thread too.. causing a couple of duplicate threads to sppear.

I don't know whether this is a puppet of someone, but if not, I note you've only got 422 posts to your name, so is it possible you've just never experienced this problem?
No, of course I'm not a puppet. Look at my founding date. But let's not judge someone else by the amount of spam they have on a particular forum, ok? And yes, I have experienced this problem - somehow, though, I have managed to only double post once or twice, and I've always caught it and deleted it.


Not ALL puppets are brand new.... My point is, as you've not made a huge amount of posts, the probability of you experiencing this kind of problem are significantly lower. My point has nothing to do with amounts of spam.
Whilst I agree it's generally possible to delete the double posts, it's harder if it's the first post of a thread. It's harder still if the server is STILL playing up which casued the problem in the first place. So try not to be so critical of other peoples problems.

Hmm....I've actually had not that many problems with the server. I've been able to get on at the normal times and have actually been accesing the site at times where I would not have been able to get on a few months ago. Strange! :? :D

Sadly it happens. I've made 5 or 6 double posts before and I don't use the post button multiple times!
Yeah, I had this happen to me too. Upgrading mozilla fixed it for me. The BB code really should check for and reject duplicate posts.

FYI:

Max is currently spending $400 (USD) every month just to cover the bandwidth costs of this "free" game.

Furthermore, the problem isn't the number of users at a given time, really. The problem is the hundreds of thousands of posts and threads on this site. That is commonly refered to as a "massive resource drain".

How come then it seems to slow down at the same time of day, every day?

Up until about midday (UK time), the things fine, we have no problems. It slows at midday and again at 5pm (again UK time)?

Allow me to clarify...

Yes, high usage slows things down, but the base problem is the amount of information in the database. If, say, 3/4ths of the threads suddenly ceased to exist, we could have more users on without lag. As the posts increase, the threshhold of users decreases.

Apologies if this has already been answered, but why not just do another massive purge of the forums? I was under the impression that regular purges were happening every so often anyway, so is there a problem with making them larger or more frequent? I hate to see old threads go (well, some of them), but I'd rather have a server I can use at reasonable hours.

Apologies if this has already been answered, but why not just do another massive purge of the forums? I was under the impression that regular purges were happening every so often anyway, so is there a problem with making them larger or more frequent? I hate to see old threads go (well, some of them), but I'd rather have a server I can use at reasonable hours.

Well, largely because everyone bitches when we do.


No, of course I'm not a puppet. Look at my founding date.

March 26th? I've got puppets older than that, heh.

puppets? :D

(btw, beat you by two days there, unfree ;) )

Apologies if this has already been answered, but why not just do another massive purge of the forums? I was under the impression that regular purges were happening every so often anyway, so is there a problem with making them larger or more frequent? I hate to see old threads go (well, some of them), but I'd rather have a server I can use at reasonable hours.

Well, largely because everyone bitches when we do.

Maybe a very public announcement about the upcoming deletion, and an offer to archive threads deemed worth keeping, would cut down on the complaining?

There is an Archive forum.

March 26th? I've got puppets older than that, heh.

I was 4 months old when you created Hack! :D