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Lots of people keep complaining that the mods are unfair or are abusding their power or whatever. Personally i think that the mods do a very good job, but i want to know what you think. Overall are the mods doing a good job or not?

Note: the poll is set to run for 7 days.

This belongs in General forum where general discussion goes. Moderation forum is for problems with the forums.

Could a mod please move this? Thanks.
(And by the way, I think the mods do a very good job)

~Bas

Moderation forum is for problems with the forums.


Says who? Moderation forum is for moderation related issues, from what i see. And i think the mods do a nice job *most of the time*, but they make mistakes *quite often* too, and their egos get in the way of admitting it afterwards.

While I certainly voiced my objections to specific rulings in the past, let's not lose sight of the overall picture here: the mods do a LOT of work, and we don't hear about most of it because they do it well and there's no reason to elaborate on most mod decisions. When decisions are "controversial" (or when I disagree: "wrong" :D ) they get all the attention for days on end. Overall, the mods do a very good job.

But that doesn't mean I won't say so when I disagree with them on something ;)

Ballotonia

I'm keeping this in Moderation.

Doing a good job in easy and obvious cases is indeed easy.

A mod should be judged on how he handles tough cases, and I haven't read many stories here in which I agree with the mods. They are tough, unreasonable and way too self-confident. The right for a player to enjoy this game should obviously be more important than the mod getting his way.

But I guess that's how it goes with such institutions... You give someone power, and it goes well for some weeks...

Doing a good job in easy and obvious cases is indeed easy.

A mod should be judged on how he handles tough cases, and I haven't read many stories here in which I agree with the mods. They are tough, unreasonable and way too self-confident. The right for a player to enjoy this game should obviously be more important than the mod getting his way.

But I guess that's how it goes with such institutions... You give someone power, and it goes well for some weeks...

So my question then would be:

How do you define a "tough" decision? Because I get the feeling you'd define "tough" decision as one that's public being as you most likely have no idea the decisions we deal with that ARENT public.

The right for a player to enjoy this game should obviously be more important than the mod getting his way.


Color me ignorant, I had no idea I had any "rights" at all in regards to this game. I was, and am, aware of some obligations I have, chief among them being to play nice, and to abide by the rulings made by those players designated by the site owner as rule makers/enforcers. I confess to being baffled as to why this seems to be so easy for so many and so problematic for a few.

(This of course, doesn't even address my obligations I took on via the TOS)

Color me ignorant, I had no idea I had any "rights" at all in regards to this game. I was, and am, aware of some obligations I have, chief among them being to play nice, and to abide by the rulings made by those players designated by the site owner as rule makers/enforcers. I confess to being baffled as to why this seems to be so easy for so many and so problematic for a few.

Let me guess: you hope to become a mod one day too? :wink:

It's true: if you don't like the game, then don't play it. Still, it can be very frustrating if suddenly you get punished for no good reason.

I think that the moderators do a great job considering the amount of stuff they have to deal with. They may not always make the best decisions, but they are only human. Everyone makes mistakes so give them a break.

Nobody blames them for making mistakes. At least i don't. I do blame them, though, for not admitting they made a mistake, afterwards.

Nobody blames them for making mistakes. At least i don't. I do blame them, though, for not admitting they made a mistake, afterwards.

Well, perhaps it's because your view of it being a mistake does not mean it was - that's just your opinion.

Well, perhaps it's because your view of it being a mistake does not mean it was - that's just your opinion.

Well, the same goes for your view, except that you have the power to delete nations.

One might also mention that "my" opinion is also the opinion of Ostendt, Ballotonia, Riemstagrad and Feisty (and others). And yours is, well, just yours... except that you have power over life and death... bummer :(

Maybe our opinions are different for information we have that we're not at liberty to discuss?

It's kinda funny. I dont give out any information and I get blasted for it, so I give out a little bit and get blasted for giving it out. One way or the other I'm getting blasted, so I prefer keeping our secrets.

Although here I'm a "n00b", as an admin on a board *elsewhere*, I just wanted to add here that the jobs of the mods is tougher than most of you can probably imagine, and their primary responsibility is to the site rules, and most of all, the host.

Stepping into their shoes for a moment, I must say on their behalf that it is most likely that in many cases they do not like the decisions that they must make, but nevertheless this is their responsibility and it's good to see that they're taking their responsibilities seriously, so that the board may continue for the enjoyment of the majority of users.

Given that many of the folks that frrequent Moderation have something to whine about or are members of one of the "*** is a Corrupt Mod" fanclub, it's instructive that the poll results currently support the idea that the mods do a pretty decent job.

There are an awful lot of players in this game, and the vast majority never see any mod activity. Mods just keep this place running smoothly, as far as they're concerned. That's what moderation is for, IMNSHO. I'm an admin/mod on a site that has perhaps a quarter of this activity, and I think these guys do just fine.

I'd say you're getting more than your money's worth out of these volunteer mods on this free game.

Let me guess: you hope to become a mod one day too? :wink:



Uh, no. I have a life that already affords me ample opportunity to work without monetary compensation, be unappreciated, and be excoriated by those who resent my work.

Maybe our opinions are different for information we have that we're not at liberty to discuss?

Allow me: :lol:

You couldn't give us a hint, could you?

Let me guess: you hope to become a mod one day too? :wink:



Uh, no. I have a life that already affords me ample opportunity to work without monetary compensation, be unappreciated, and be excoriated by those who resent my work.

LOL! You have no idea how true that is about modding this place! =p

.... On the other hand, the mods know the answer to the ever popular question, "Is [violet] actually Max Barry or not?", so maybe it's worth all the BS we put up with! :lol:

THeyve een doing a great job.

It used to be impossible for me to get a getting help request resovled, now it will often be solved in less than 12 hours, and except when sorting out potentially illlegal invasions, things seem at most to take them a couple of days.

And then of course the forums.

How they manage to do anything thing on the forums I have no clue.

I have my own phpBB forum, and I keep editing posts instead of quoting people, and then I have to go back and fix it. And I only have about 50 posts there . . .

But I digress.

The only thing that I'd like to see increase is new issues.

And since we only have four mods working on them that I know of, I suppose that we'll have to wait until they finish this current batch. (You do do them in batches right?)

THeyve een doing a great job.


Don't drink and post.

Hehe. That does get dangerous. :shock:

We've seen a lot of these threads in the duration of our NS times, haven't we? All I can contribute is what has been said by others a million times before.

Mods are human beings that dedicate their time to making NS as enjoyable, fair, and safe as they possibly can for all of us. In my experience, they're as normal as the next person and quite fun to talk to OOC.

Having been an Admin of several forums, and currently an Admin of a couple...I understand why the NS staff may often have the urge to rip their hair out and scream "We have real lives, too!" But that rarely happens, so we should continue to respect them as fellow NSers and abstain from the unnecessary bashing parties.

I suggest that those who need an outlet for their hostilities find the goatze spammers and initiate voodoo hexes upon them.

jk :P

I suggest that those who need an outlet for their hostilities find the goatze spammers and initiate voodoo hexes upon them.

Way ahead of you! :twisted: Just one more spell of evil and...

jk :P

I mean...yeah...me too! :wink:

This belongs in General forum where general discussion goes. Moderation forum is for problems with the forums.

Looks like you got it wrong! :lol:

(And by the way, I think the mods do a very good job)

~Bas

Why am I not surprised you said that?

Personally, I think that there are some very good mods on NS....but then there are some who are not good but they think they are.

I am glad to say that the truly good mods are more numerous than the bad ones.

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THeyve een doing a great job.


Don't drink and post.
:lol:

Or better yet, don't multitask late at night in an attempt to finish a social studies assignement and not miss any last minute comments in Central Asia at the same time while posting.

the mods kicked me for something i didnt do, so for now my faith in them is non-existant

can i get some help please?

im not supposed to post about it in the forums, im not supposed to telelgram them, i had to google to find tyhe help page, and when i got there it didnt work, i just got "not found" so i my message isnt getting submitted.

this is ridiculous

the mods kicked me for something i didnt do, so for now my faith in them is non-existant
Meh, whatever.

can i get some help please?
Sure

im not supposed to post about it in the forums,
If you wish to appeal a mod desicion to the mods themselves it is fine to post in the forums, I see mods ask people to do it at times.
im not supposed to telelgram them,
Again, to appeal a decision, if ou know which mod was responsible, go ahead (when I wish to discuss something with the mods, I do it via tm).
If you do not know which mod did it, do not telegram a random mod. (Slaggy had a good story about that, IIRC)
i had to google to find tyhe help page, and when i got there it didnt work, That may be a problem. May I see the URL?

You find the Getting Help page by clicking the "FAQ" link in the left hand frame and then the Getting Help Page link.

The Getting Help Page is here. http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help
i just got "not found" so i my message isnt getting submitted.
Alternatively, you can email admin@nationstates.net to go over the moderators' heads.

this is ridiculous
I recall having exactly that sentiment for quite a while before the number of GMs doubled.

Although now GHP requests take a few hours to a few days, when I joined they took quite a while to sort out, and none of mine ever got resolved that I am aware.

At least you'll have your question answered quickly once you submit it.

Peace, Truth, and Justice,
Luke

Actually, Qaaol, most of those are indeed resolved, many times we dont have time to inform individuals that action has been taken.

Actually, Qaaol, most of those are indeed resolved, many times we dont have time to inform individuals that action has been taken.
No, they were things like nation ressurections which never got ressurected (I checked Lazarus only weekly back then) until Hack was made a GM and potential UN multis which when I reported later proved (by watching the regions) to be multis, but were not zapped in the first report.

The only one which may have been resolved (as wrong or inconclusive I assume) was my report of a certian region potentially grifing Turkey (ironically, they have now turned form their old strategy of lock, boot and occupy{careful not to refound} to simple Hawking, which I feel {I know your views on this, and respectfully disgree} is more ethical than crashing, locking, and evicting the last native or two from a region)

The mods are doing a good job. True, they make plenty of small mistakes, and even a few truly massive mistakes, but overall they are serving the game well.

I think the mods are generally fine, and they resurrect my nations so fast and delete any dodgy nations i may see when i recruit.

The mods do a great job and even if they make a mistake what you need to think about is that everyone makes mistakes but everyone of your little mistakes might not be announced to everyone and make you feel like more of an idiot for making the mistake

Not like the mods are idiots though :D


Please dont hurt me :!:

The mods do a great job and even if they make a mistake what you need to think about is that everyone makes mistakes but everyone of your little mistakes might not be announced to everyone and make you feel like more of an idiot for making the mistake

Not like the mods are idiots though :D


Please dont hurt me :!:


*Ducks as modbombs rain down upon Attitude*

THeyve een doing a great job.


Don't drink and post.

lol SHAZAM!