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whoa, what happened to my religious little friend? is he back with a puppet?

What the heck did happen to him? Catholic Europe's going to have something to say for sure.

I noticed this also.

He pissed off a mod.

I don't know, but I just saw it myself.

:?:

Something outside the fora perhaps?

without him around, who's going to fight the good fight against women's rights and monogamous gay couples?!

without him around, who's going to fight the good fight against women's rights and monogamous gay couples?!

I do these things to you know! *goes into sulk*

Anyone have thread link to what happened to get him deated?

without him around, who's going to fight the good fight against women's rights and monogamous gay couples?!

I wouldn't worry too much about that... Oh, you said the good fight. Hmm.

without him around, who's going to fight the good fight against women's rights and monogamous gay couples?!

I do these things to you know! *goes into sulk*



whew! thanks for taking up the slack, we gotta keep them fires of oppression burning! :)

...

without him around, who's going to fight the good fight against women's rights and monogamous gay couples?!

I do these things to you know! *goes into sulk*

Anyone have thread link to what happened to get him deated?

He really meant me.

*Pulls Strings*

Dance puppet dance!

without him around, who's going to fight the good fight against women's rights and monogamous gay couples?!

I do these things to you know! *goes into sulk*

Anyone have thread link to what happened to get him deated?

He really meant me.

*Pulls Strings*

Dance puppet dance!

It was on a recent page of the "God can't be everywhere" thread.
Steph got fed up with his flaming "apologies".

It was on a recent page of the "God can't be everywhere" thread.
Steph got fed up with his flaming "apologies".

lol, yeah i took a look at that...classic Saul, so very petty and adorable. i can understand why the mods would be frustrated with a chap like him; he doesn't outright swear or aggressively flame, he just incites all sorts of nastiness through passive-aggressive displays like that. must be rough trying to mod that sort of thing.

It was on a recent page of the "God can't be everywhere" thread.
Steph got fed up with his flaming "apologies".

Yeah, I saw it. Page four on "God isn't everywhere".

It was on a recent page of the "God can't be everywhere" thread.
Steph got fed up with his flaming "apologies".

Yeah, I saw it. Page four on "God isn't everywhere".

Do you have a link?

I looked for a flame but couldn't find one, on another thread :cry:

Saul 2 Paul gone?

Aww :P :twisted:
That guy actually scared me.

It was on a recent page of the "God can't be everywhere" thread.
Steph got fed up with his flaming "apologies".

Yeah, I saw it. Page four on "God isn't everywhere".

Do you have a link?

I looked for a flame but couldn't find one, on another thread :cry:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115967&start=60

Saul 2 Paul gone?

Aww :P :twisted:
That guy actually scared me.
no no, he was a very cuddlesome fellow. he just needed hugs! don't be afraid of people like him, they're just very sad and angry and need a good snog.

Oh damn he's gone :roll:

Threads asking "So-and-so is gone?" are discussions of Moderator action. Hence, iMove :arrow: "Moderation".

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He's not gone.

Or more accurately, he's back.

Didn't seem to warrent a deletion to me, just a tiny bit of flambait, he was a good guy :cry:

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He's not gone.

My apologies, it seems he has gone. I have to say I'm not in floods of tears about it but I'd rather expected him to say 'I'm only fourteen' eventually.

I'll be sad to see him go. :(

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He's not gone.

My apologies, it seems he has gone. I have to say I'm not in floods of tears about it but I'd rather expected him to say 'I'm only fourteen' eventually.Nope I am very much back, for now. Awaiting an answer about my deletion. You will be very disappointed to find out that I am 45 years old.

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He's not gone.

My apologies, it seems he has gone. I have to say I'm not in floods of tears about it but I'd rather expected him to say 'I'm only fourteen' eventually.Nope I am very much back, for now. Awaiting an answer about my deletion. You will be very disappointed to find out that I am 45 years old.

Nope, not dissapointed. But I do advise you to act like 45 year old. You might stay around bit longer. And the 'fourteen' crack is a reference to a former player who acted rather like you.

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He's not gone.

My apologies, it seems he has gone. I have to say I'm not in floods of tears about it but I'd rather expected him to say 'I'm only fourteen' eventually.Nope I am very much back, for now. Awaiting an answer about my deletion. You will be very disappointed to find out that I am 45 years old.

Nope, not dissapointed. But I do advise you to act like 45 year old. You might stay around bit longer. And the 'fourteen' crack is a reference to a former player who acted rather like you.

I would have to say it is a little harsh. A player last night was using profanities and other bad things. He even said the worst word of all, and all he got was a warning.

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He's not gone.

My apologies, it seems he has gone. I have to say I'm not in floods of tears about it but I'd rather expected him to say 'I'm only fourteen' eventually.Nope I am very much back, for now. Awaiting an answer about my deletion. You will be very disappointed to find out that I am 45 years old.

:o did a mod do something she shouldn't have? :o

And the 'fourteen' crack is a reference to a former player who acted rather like you.
Phil, comparing him to JARROS seems to me like comparing a lit match to the oceans of the world.

Much smaller and a different type of thing.

Aside from his irrational, vicious, and unbased crusade against Stephistan, and his occasional flamebait and trolling threads, I found him to be a pretty nice person.

:o did a mod do something she shouldn't have? :oI didn't say it. Just to make certain that nobody claims that.

And the 'fourteen' crack is a reference to a former player who acted rather like you.
Phil, comparing him to JARROS seems to me like comparing a lit match to the oceans of the world.

Much smaller and a different type of thing.

Aside from his irrational, vicious, and unbased crusade against Stephistan, and his occasional flamebait and trolling threads, I found him to be a pretty nice person.I don't know why you think I have a crusade against her. The last time I had any dealings with her we came to an agreement and it was over. If you don't like my threads don't respond.

Saul, you earned your deletion. As I recall, I warned you about your conduct, and it would appear that you didnt take my warning seriously. I advise you to remember for the future that having a nation deleted for misconduct is considered the first warning when it comes to reincarnations.

I don't know why you think I have a crusade against her. The last time I had any dealings with her we came to an agreement and it was over. If you don't like my threads don't respond.
I asked you what the previous nation that you had was, and almost instantly, you changed the topic to "Stephistan is biased against me," and then to "Well maybe it's just her pregnency causing her this".

As for your threads, I've seen far warose, and I never do respond. I almost never even look at the General forum, and hence only see them when they are linked to in Moderation, so most of your threads are probably far more reasonable than what I see.

I don't know why you think I have a crusade against her. The last time I had any dealings with her we came to an agreement and it was over. If you don't like my threads don't respond.
I asked you what the previous nation that you had was, and almost instantly, you changed the topic to "Stephistan is biased against me," and then to "Well maybe it's just her pregnency causing her this".

As for your threads, I've seen far warose, and I never do respond. I almost never even look at the General forum, and hence only see them when they are linked to in Moderation, so most of your threads are probably far more reasonable than what I see.

I asked you what the previous nation that you had was, and almost instantly, you changed the topic to "Stephistan is biased against me," and then to "Well maybe it's just her pregnency causing her this".

As for your threads, I've seen far warose, and I never do respond. I almost never even look at the General forum, and hence only see them when they are linked to in Moderation, so most of your threads are probably far more reasonable than what I see.You asked what my previous nation was deleted for. I do not have a previously deleted nation. I have a previous nation that I let die by the name of Popsland, which I believe I told you in your telegram. I did not say she was bias towards me. I said she was bias towards my views. I may have a saved copy of your telegram, I don't know for sure. I know I have copies of hers.

You asked what my previous nation was deleted for. I do not have a previously deleted nation. I have a previous nation that I let die by the name of Popsland, which I believe I told you in your telegram. I did not say she was bias towards me. I said she was bias towards my views. I may have a saved copy of your telegram, I don't know for sure. I know I have copies of hers.
I may have misinterpreted what you had said, in which case, I apologise.

Steph was helping me with some meassage board spammers, and decided to check to see if they spammed my inbox as well (which they did do, but about a week after the board spamming, and it was minor enough to not report, only blocked tem that time, but at any rate. . ., and she seemed to interpret them thesame way that I did.

BTW, I'm wondering now, mods, since he had a nation that died of inactivity and was never resurected, and then had another nation deleted, but is not IP banned, are you willing to resurrect the non-rulebreaking incarnation if he asks? I've been wondering that hypothetically for a while, and never had an actual example to cause me to ask it.

I may have misinterpreted what you had said, in which case, I apologise.

Steph was helping me with some meassage board spammers, and decided to check to see if they spammed my inbox as well (which they did do, but about a week after the board spamming, and it was minor enough to not report, only blocked tem that time, but at any rate. . ., and she seemed to interpret them thesame way that I did.

BTW, I'm wondering now, mods, since he had a nation that died of inactivity and was never resurected, and then had another nation deleted, but is not IP banned, are you willing to resurrect the non-rulebreaking incarnation if he asks? I've been wondering that hypothetically for a while, and never had an actual example to cause me to ask it.Interesting question, but I do not want my original nation to be resurrected. It was accused of being a multi and banned from the UN. That is why I let it die. I will not play with a nation that has been accused of rule breaking. An integrity issue for me.

And the 'fourteen' crack is a reference to a former player who acted rather like you.
Phil, comparing him to JARROS seems to me like comparing a lit match to the oceans of the world.

Much smaller and a different type of thing.

Aside from his irrational, vicious, and unbased crusade against Stephistan, and his occasional flamebait and trolling threads, I found him to be a pretty nice person.

No, I was reffering to Marathon. Attacking one moment and crying foul the next.

And the 'fourteen' crack is a reference to a former player who acted rather like you.
Phil, comparing him to JARROS seems to me like comparing a lit match to the oceans of the world.

Much smaller and a different type of thing.

Aside from his irrational, vicious, and unbased crusade against Stephistan, and his occasional flamebait and trolling threads, I found him to be a pretty nice person.

No, I was refering to Marathon. Attacking one moment and crying foul the next.

I say we hold a funeral for the poor guy.
He's with the leader of all nations now :wink:

Interesting question, but I do not want my original nation to be resurrected. It was accused of being a multi and banned from the UN. That is why I let it die. I will not play with a nation that has been accused of rule breaking. An integrity issue for me.
Ahh . . .

Could I still hear the answer to the question hypothetically though?

No, I was refering to Marathon. Attacking one moment and crying foul the next.
Marathon was 14? :shock:

That means that he was about my age, slightly younger. I was 14 when I joined NS, and for a mere dozen days afterwards.

Saul, you earned your deletion. As I recall, I warned you about your conduct, and it would appear that you didnt take my warning seriously. I advise you to remember for the future that having a nation deleted for misconduct is considered the first warning when it comes to reincarnations.Sorry I missed your reply when I looked through earlier. I have made my own thread concerning this and would ask you to take a look at it. It provides the threads involved and I do wish that you would take a look at them. I don't know why this was done, it just doesn't make sense.

The thread is here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116575), Neut.

The thread is here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116575), Neut.there is more than one involved

If anyone is interested in checking the entire situation out here are some links and what they contain:


Thread that shows Dakini "implying" that I taught my child her viewpoint through pyshical abuse:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115967&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
You will find this on the second page I believe. You will also find that she reitterates herself a couple of post later. I gave her warning that she was in danger of being reported to the mods if she continued. This warning can be found here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115967&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40

Report to Mods:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116041
This is the first time I have reported anything to the mods in a very long time. (Other than confirming offensive postings)


The thread that shows the apology is:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115967&start=60
You may read what you want into this, but I was not implying that any mod coerced me into anything.


The thread that shows the comments that brought about the apology is:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116232&start=0
This topic was started after the ruling of the mod. The people posting there were some of the people who's opinion I highly reguard.

The first link points to the fourth page instead of the second.

If you're trying to get your nation revived, it's not going to happen. Nations that are Mod Bombed are almost never revived, sorry.

The first link points to the fourth page instead of the second.I guess I messed that up but it still gets them to the thread and they can back up two pages from there. I will try to edit it to show the right page.

There I think I have the links right now. I am trying to get revived and I know it has happened in the past. I feel as if it is warranted on this one.

The thread that shows the apology is:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115967&start=60
You may read what you want into this, but I was not implying that any mod coerced me into anything.

Not that I necessarily believe that this by itself warrants deletion, but it's hard to interpret your "apology" as anything besides a sarcastic little "f--- you" to the mods.

Not that I necessarily believe that this by itself warrants deletion, but it's hard to interpret your "apology" as anything besides a sarcastic little "f--- you" to the mods.Did you happen to check the site where the apology originated?

Not that I necessarily believe that this by itself warrants deletion, but it's hard to interpret your "apology" as anything besides a sarcastic little "f--- you" to the mods.Did you happen to check the site where the apology originated?Yes, and my comment still stands.

Since Neutered Sputniks has not responded, and I am tired, I guess I will just go to bed and check in tomorrow to see if anything can be done. Until then I guess I am still here.

His apology was interpreted by me to be an intelligent one, not a stealth insult. I guess you people just interpret things differently. I see where it could be interpreted as a snide comment but honestly, the emotion I received from it was sincere.

Libertine Empire of Desudoragon

His apology was interpreted by me to be an intelligent one, not a stealth insult. I guess you people just interpret things differently. I see where it could be interpreted as a snide comment but honestly, the emotion I received from it was sincere.

Libertine Empire of DesudoragonThank you.

His apology was interpreted by me to be an intelligent one, not a stealth insult. I guess you people just interpret things differently. I see where it could be interpreted as a snide comment but honestly, the emotion I received from it was sincere.

Libertine Empire of Desudoragon

Ahhh, but do you know of his past snide comments made in a similar manner?

His apology was interpreted by me to be an intelligent one, not a stealth insult. I guess you people just interpret things differently. I see where it could be interpreted as a snide comment but honestly, the emotion I received from it was sincere.

Libertine Empire of Desudoragon

Here is the text of the apology:

Let this serve as my personal apology to the nation known as "Dakini". I obviously, must have done something, in order to cause her to make the accusations of child abuse against me. The Game Moderator, Stephistan, has ruled that my complaint was without merit. Dakini was acting in a most appropriate way.

So Dakini, I am sorry for causing you any problems and it will not happen again.

To believe that this is sincere, you have to believe:

1.) That Saul would genuinely apologize to someone who apparently accused him of child abuse.

2.) That Saul would genuinely change his opinion on an issue like this just because a mod said his complaint was without merit.

This is implausible, and it's all the more implausible when you consider the amount of passive-aggressive mod-baiting that Saul has done in the past few weeks. Saul, if you want to argue that this was a real apology, go ahead and do it yourself. But I'm not inclined to believe you, given what I've said above.

Neutered Sputniks and SuperHappyFun, I have not had too many run-ins with Paul's posts so I am not sure about how he is. I just look for the good in people. You can call that a flaw if you like, but my outlook allows me to have better interaction with other people. Anyway, Paul has done nothing to merit my disapproval but I know not of his past. The ultimate judgement goes to the moderators and admin.

Libertine Empire of Desudoragon

I have been away for most of the week end from the computer. Thus, I have not replied to this thread till now. As I am seeing it for the first time.

My decision to finally delete Saul 2 Paul was made after numerous flamebait actions on his part over a period of time. Some weeks back Saul had been warned by Neut in a thread for flamebait. That very same night I warned him not once, but twice in a thread for flamebait as well. That was three warnings in one night alone! Then came the thread in moderation where Saul accused me of being biased against him etc...etc..you know the drill. As an act of goodwill I extended an olive branch to Saul and took it upon myself to telegram him and let him know that if he wished to discuss with me in private (telegram) his issue with me that I was willing to and that I had nothing against him on any personal level (I don't) and that I was simply trying to enforce the rules of the game as is my job. At that time he agreed to tone it down and said sorry for any misunderstandings we might of had in the past. I did the same in return. It was my hope at that time that would be the end of it.

Then the other day Hack had to caution him about grave digging a thread that would likely incite flamebait. Hack cautioned him to just let the thread die. I at that point told Hack about the previous warnings that Saul had been given. We decided at that time that the action didn't warrant any thing more then the warning Hack had given him, yet still adding up to warning in total that I'm aware of number 4!

Then came this thread that Saul is talking about now. Perhaps Dakini could of put forth their comments to Saul a little more sensitive although if you're aware of Saul's posting history he does set himself up for people to believe such things about him. I seen his complaint to have Dakini deleted without merit because while Dakini might of put the point across in a bit nicer of a manner it was not unfounded given some of the assertions in past posts that Saul has made. I seen it as more Dakini calling Saul on past assertions and not as flaming nor flamebait. Then the post by Saul that asserted as a "so called" apology.. you don't have to be a rocket scientist that this again amounted to flamebait. If any one really believes that was intended to be a real apology and not just brute sarcasm in it's very nature.. well let's just say I have some prime swamp land in Florida for sale!

This would of been his 5th warning.. how many of you who have seen nations deleted or have had one deleted yourself have seen a person get 5 warnings? I think that over all the mod-squad has been more then fair to Saul. He was rightfully deleted. There is nothing personal here. Had it only been that one incident that he is bringing up now, then no, I would of course not deleted him. I would have simply warned him. However, that was the 5th time, that I am aware of.

So, there you have it. This is what happened and this is why the decision was made to delete him.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

I have been away for most of the week end from the computer. Thus, I have not replied to this thread till now. As I am seeing it for the first time.

My decision to finally delete Saul 2 Paul was made after numerous flamebait actions on his part over a period of time. Some weeks back Saul had been warned by Neut in a thread for flamebait. That very same night I warned him not once, but twice in a thread for flamebait as well. That was three warnings in one night alone!Nice way to put this, but you would think that you would tell them that all three warnings were in the same thread and all three of us were there.

Then came the thread in moderation where Saul accused me of being biased against him etc...etc..you know the drill.I only accused you of being bias towards my viewpoints. You are the one who claims that I said it was personal.

As an act of goodwill I extended an olive branch to Saul and took it upon myself to telegram him and let him know that if he wished to discuss with me in private (telegram) his issue with me that I was willing to and that I had nothing against him on any personal level (I don't) and that I was simply trying to enforce the rules of the game as is my job.The supposed "olive branch" was clear from the beginning to be no more than a chance for you to say that you were right and I was wrong and that I just needed to get over it.


At that time he agreed to tone it down and said sorry for any misunderstandings we might of had in the past. I did the same in return. It was my hope at that time that would be the end of it.And as far as I was concerned it was the end of it. Until I suddenly, out of the blue, end up deleted.


Then the other day Hack had to caution him about grave digging a thread that would likely incite flamebait. Hack cautioned him to just let the thread die. I at that point told Hack about the previous warnings that Saul had been given. We decided at that time that the action didn't warrant any thing more then the warning Hack had given him, yet still adding up to warning in total that I'm aware of number 4! Pardon my ignorance on this but I don't remember seeing any warning being given. Hack did mention the thread and after that I did not revive it until someone else posted. I did exactly what Hack said.

Then came this thread that Saul is talking about now. Perhaps Dakini could of put forth their comments to Saul a little more sensitive although if you're aware of Saul's posting history he does set himself up for people to believe such things about him.My posting history had not been brought up during this thread nor do I have any reason to believe that you could come up with even one example of my post that would allow for anyone to believe such a thing.


I seen his complaint to have Dakini deleted without merit because while Dakini might of put the point across in a bit nicer of a manner it was not unfounded given some of the assertions in past posts that Saul has made. I seen it as more Dakini calling Saul on past assertions and not as flaming nor flamebait.A personal attack is not flaming/flamebaiting?


Then the post by Saul that asserted as a "so called" apology.. you don't have to be a rocket scientist that this again amounted to flamebait. If any one really believes that was intended to be a real apology and not just brute sarcasm in it's very nature.. well let's just say I have some prime swamp land in Florida for sale! My sincere apology, that was given to Dakini, mentioned three things and mentioned them in order of importance to me.
1. The feeling I got after talking to the people on the other thread.
2. The fact that a Game Moderator ruled that my claim against her was without merit.
3. A statement varifying the proper view as I then saw it.

This would of been his 5th warning.. how many of you who have seen nations deleted or have had one deleted yourself have seen a person get 5 warnings? I think that over all the mod-squad has been more then fair to Saul. He was rightfully deleted. There is nothing personal here. Had it only been that one incident that he is bringing up now, then no, I would of course not deleted him. I would have simply warned him. However, that was the 5th time, that I am aware of. As far as I know this would have been the 4th warning and 3 of them were on the same thread. Why was not one word said to me before this deletion. As I can see you take it as flamebaiting towards you, but it was not intended to be such. The consensous among other players as far as I can tell is that this is not the case. Yes there are those who agree with you, but they are also the ones who never did like my nation to begin with and have stated so.

So, there you have it. This is what happened and this is why the decision was made to delete him.

Stephanie
Game ModeratorI ask to have this reviewed, this is not a fair action.

Saul to Paul, you know you can send an email to admin@nationstates.net if you want to appeal. You've already stated your case here, and Stephistan has too. You probably will just antagonize more people by continually fighting for your deleted (color it GONE) nation in this forum. I'd advise you to let it go... just continue whatever points you want to make with your new nation. Otherwise you're just waving a big DEAT ME flag...

Stanistani
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"Never wants to be a Mod - Too much Crap!"

Saul to Paul, you know you can send an email to admin@nationstates.net if you want to appeal. You've already stated your case here, and Stephistan has too. You probably will just antagonize more people by continually fighting for your deleted (color it GONE) nation in this forum. I'd advise you to let it go... just continue whatever points you want to make with your new nation. Otherwise you're just waving a big DEAT ME flag...

Stanistani
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"Never wants to be a Mod - Too much Crap!"Trying to deal with this, reasonably, without involving the admin. They have enough to do as it is.

I don't even know you, S2P, and I can tell that it's time. Drop a dime to the admins. You're done here.

I don't even know you, S2P, and I can tell that it's time. Drop a dime to the admins. You're done here.You don't know how right you are. I am done here. This will be my last time on this game by all probabilities. If you think that the admin would overturn the ruling, that is even being backed up by the Senior Game Mod then you are saddly mistaken.

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Trying to deal with this, reasonably, without involving the admin. They have enough to do as it is.

What is your problem with taking things to the proper authorities? When you wanted a thread locked about a week ago, you decided to keep bumping it for days instead of going to the Moderation forum with your complaint? Now, you won't appeal this to the admin, even though it's becoming increasingly obvious that this is your only recourse. Putting on a show here is unlikely to help. It's true that the admin probably won't overturn the decision, but it's worth a shot unless you have really given up on the site this time. Of course, you could also just continue posting under your new name, and move past this incident. Or you could quit, which is what you say you're doing (although you've changed your mind on such things in the past).

What others need to learn from Saul, yet people never seem to learn:

If mods tell you that you (not Saul, anyone) are flaming someone or that you two flambait each other, or any sort of having to have a mod step in to say-- "wow, you two really don't get along."

As a suggestion, after the mods tell you to go to your seperate corners, really best not even to offer an apology, real or otherwise-- simply because silence can sometimes be the best policy.

What others need to learn from Saul, yet people never seem to learn:

If mods tell you that you (not Saul, anyone) are flaming someone or that you two flambait each other, or any sort of having to have a mod step in to say-- "wow, you two really don't get along."

As a suggestion, after the mods tell you to go to your seperate corners, really best not even to offer an apology, real or otherwise-- simply because silence can sometimes be the best policy.If this had truely been the situation, that would have been exactly what happened.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you had another nation deleted for the exact same thing?

Saul, I reviewed the involved threads - all of them. The deletion stands.

And why dont you mention that it took all 3 warnings in that one thread before you finally quit posting flamebait in it? Or...wait...nevermind, I think we all understand...