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this is what i think it is:

The admin
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game mods
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tech modling
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forum mods
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delegates
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normal nations

feel free to post your versions or at least tell me this isi right or your opinions ect.

Tech modling is just above forum mods...

Actually, we do have a map somewheres of this, I'll try to dig it up.

Actually the structure (not counting me) is very easy.

Max
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Admin
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Game Mods
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Forum Mods
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Modlings (if there were any besides me)
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Players (We don't differentiate)

Where do I fit it? Well, I used to fit in very clearly between forum mods and players (and for most things I still do), but I'm really more parallel to the entire command structure. I deal with very different things, and so can't be really compared.

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/salusasecondus/salusasecondus2.jpg
SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

thanks

I guess Sal has more say in certain matters than even the game mods.

thats what i thought

And I guess that I should really clarify something. As far as the player is concerned, even Forum Mod can overrule me. I carry the least weight as far as gameplay rulings or judgements are concerned.

But what about tech matters? :wink:

yeah cant you kind of change the game

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102087

Read that. You'll learn what mods can and can't do, and will also help clear up any other questions.

Doesn't say much about Sal...

Sal has never really said just how much he can do.
We know he can recommend changes to the game to [violet], but we don't know if he has shell access to the server or anything like that...

I wrote what Sal wanted me to write about him. :?

im just trying to find out as much as i can about the game and the different posistions inside the game;

i want to know more about the modling...

Doesn't say much about Sal...

Sal has never really said just how much he can do.
We know he can recommend changes to the game to [violet], but we don't know if he has shell access to the server or anything like that...

Every time somebody asks Sal exactly what he can do, he tends to go fairly quiet and changes the subject :P

However, he has said that he can't of himself change game code, so we assume he doesn't have shell access. Presumably [violet] provides him with the code, or (quite likely) he has a version of NS running on a personal computer so he can test coding changes.

maybe that means he can do more than we think

I thought I already settled this with my easy-to-read, perfectly detailed hierarchy chart.

http://home.earthlink.net/~tyrasis/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/commandtree.jpg

:o
It's so clear to me now! Thanks Hack, ol' buddy :D

thanks alot!!!:)

Doesn't say much about Sal...

Sal has never really said just how much he can do.
We know he can recommend changes to the game to [violet], but we don't know if he has shell access to the server or anything like that...

Sal is the Secret Service. Don't make him mad. :twisted:

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

Aww...wittle Sal wouldn't hurt a fly. :P Just a bug! XD

Thanks for the chart, Hack. :lol:

Thanks for the chart, Hack. :lol:

I would actually say that some non-mod players can be 'higher' up than other average players. Things like the general forum royalty, repsected RPers etc.

I would actually say that some non-mod players can be 'higher' up than other average players. Things like the general forum royalty, repsected RPers etc.

Not as far as Moderators are concerned. We don't want to encourage the notion that anyone is above the law.

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

I would actually say that some non-mod players can be 'higher' up than other average players. Things like the general forum royalty, repsected RPers etc.

Nah, I don't agree! The ONLY difference between players as far as I can see, is there are some who are DEAT on sight and some who aren't. Do try and draw distinction between my second subset would just likely lead to mass arguments and flaming!!

I thought I already settled this with my easy-to-read, perfectly detailed hierarchy chart.

http://home.earthlink.net/~tyrasis/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/commandtree.jpg

Oh god. That just made me laugh for about 5 minutes.

Any Australian political junkies should be able to see a parallel between Hack's chart and the famous "Knowledge Nation Spaghetti Dinner" of the 2001 election.

I thought I already settled this with my easy-to-read, perfectly detailed hierarchy chart.

http://home.earthlink.net/~tyrasis/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/commandtree.jpg

Its good but im confused are the purple one high up or... can you explain it

Purple is above the below, but slightly below the above.

Purple is above the below, but slightly below the above.

What?

I would actually say that some non-mod players can be 'higher' up than other average players. Things like the general forum royalty, repsected RPers etc.

Not as far as Moderators are concerned. We don't want to encourage the notion that anyone is above the law.

You may not want to encourage it, but it does happen unintentionally (sp?), or at least it does IMO. You may believe otherwise.

Hack...did you ever figure out where that purple one leading off of [dredd] goes?

It's running in circles searching for logic.

I thought I already settled this with my easy-to-read, perfectly detailed hierarchy chart.

http://home.earthlink.net/~tyrasis/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/commandtree.jpg
And thus we have the answer to three of the eternal questions of NS:

IVMB = no
IMBD = no
ISSMB = no

Thanks Hack. :lol:

I would actually say that some non-mod players can be 'higher' up than other average players. Things like the general forum royalty, repsected RPers etc.

Not as far as Moderators are concerned. We don't want to encourage the notion that anyone is above the law.

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game ModeratorThank you Cog. Andmay I point out that not even other players do that.

Even though I listen to say Myrth or Peng-Pau on certain things, I do not hesitate to argue with them if I feel that they are wrong (although I try to go about it politely regardless of whom it is, unless they are incredibly annoying, or amazingly thick, or both in which case I am rather sarcastic) and I have been in arguements with some General Forum Royalty and Respected RPers, whom by CE's chart I would be lower than.

When I concede, I usually do so not because I respect them, but because either they have a good arguement. Or more often, I pretend to concede or call it a draw if it is clear that they are not going to respond to me, so I might as well say, "fine, I'm sorry you are right" and move on myself rather than trying to get them to respond (this only happens by TM, and only once or twice), or because the converse is true, and they won't shut up.

I've noticed plenty of other players who do this, although most are not interested in peacemaking enough to pretend to concede. I will point out ight here that it never hurts to admit when you are wrong, and it hurts very little to pretend to. We are, after all mere mortals

What annoys me are those whom I "concede" for the later reasons who act like it is their due, and of course the politicians that they elect don't lie, for the reasons that you mentioned CE.

Post count, RPing ability, sucessful crashings/anti crashing >< actual power. Influence, prestige, and power are three rather distinct areas, best not confused.

Purple is above the below, but slightly below the above.

What?
Decide whether the fact that this sentence seems to missing a word is important. :wink:

Purple is above the below, but slightly below the above.

What?
Decide whether the fact that this sentence seems to missing a word is important. :wink:

Shhh... don't give away the secret.

Decide whether the fact that this sentence seems to be missing a word is important. :wink:

Aww.... really? Just one eensty word? Of course it's important!

Hack...did you ever figure out where that purple one leading off of [dredd] goes?

Down the rabbit hole... <cue mysterious music here>

I thought I already settled this with my easy-to-read, perfectly detailed hierarchy chart.

http://home.earthlink.net/~tyrasis/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/commandtree.jpg

How to read the above chart:

- Contrary to what it may look like at first sight, it's not flat. It's an image of a 3D space. All the frames with names you see are actually the same size (width*height), but appear larger or smaller depending on how far 'back' the frame is.

- Each line between two frames is actually a 3D tube, defining the hierarchical relation between the names/titles in the two frames. The tube has a rotation such that going from the 'higher' to the 'lower' individual/group is a clockwise motion. Sadly, this doesn't translate well in a flat display, but if you squint real hard you can tell anyway.

- When a tube connects more than one frame together, these individuals/groups are considered to be on equal footing. Keep in mind however that because of perspective issues in the 2D representation, some same-colored tubes may appear to be one collection of tubes while they are really seperate.

- The purple squirl is a link. I suspect that with one more relationship to add to the chart, the maker realized that if that last item were to have been added it would've caused the chart to be difficult to read. To avoid this, a jump in 4D was made to connect the two frames. From this perspective though, the frame where the other side of the purple tube emerges is blocking your view of the tube itself, so you can't tell which other frame that tube connects to. Bummer, surely, but at least you now can still easily read the chart and that's worth something too.

- The grey bunny with the red arrow indicates who holds all the secrets of NationStates, and even tells you where you can find those secrets yourself. A clear view of the grey bunny is blocked by two tubes crossing paths in front of it, but it should be obvious where it is anyway by looking at the chart.

Ballotonia

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Your not serious are you?

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Your not serious are you?

He's deadly serious. He's an axe murderer, you know.

this is what i think it is:

The admin
|
game mods
|
tech modling
|
forum mods
|
delegates
|
normal nations

feel free to post your versions or at least tell me this isi right or your opinions ect.

I believe Invaders are directly below "normal nations." :wink:

this is what i think it is:

The admin
|
game mods
|
tech modling
|
forum mods
|
delegates
|
normal nations

feel free to post your versions or at least tell me this isi right or your opinions ect.

I believe Invaders are directly below "normal nations." :wink:

yeah maybe

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Max Barry
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a Game admin
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u Forum Admin([reploidproductions])
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a Senior GMs(Neut at any rate, never hear much about Melkor)
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e Other GMs
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o Forum Mods(seems TJ isn't much more respected than others)
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d Normal Modlings(if there were any)
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s Players
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These players(like JARROS, Marathon, Klamath, Sheol, America inc, Beeker, Eirean Shamrolck, etc) that the mods just have it in for Some Reason. Can't be that fact that they break the rules, must be seomething else entirely like a left wing-right wing, authoritarian-libertarian, centrist-extremist, nazi-grammer nazi, capitalist-communist, meglomanic, RPer-Invader-Generalite, mod conspiracy.[/code:1:74e09ad31d]