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Hey I have looked into France for the last day or so and well I believe it is a Griefing going on, the Delegate is letting Naziesque nations in, to taunt and torment the natives, and he is onlly giving out the password to a few nations saying it is their job to distribute the password, I also get the feeling he is going to try to boot and refound it soon, Lastly, he is not Supported by UN locals, all fo his supporters are invaders. As he booted all the regional UN embers out when He took power.
Sorry if this is inappropriate, but well I spent time in France and Ranctness the old delegate was a prety good guy.

Also sems funny for a bunch of German and Polish themed nations to be in France.

And we're looking into it. Besides the password needing distribution, he's not really done anything illegal.

hey thanks he has yet to give my French Naitve Puppet the password and I seriouslly doubt he has given it to Ranctness or anyone he has booted,

again thanks for the assist.

hi, i'm the previous delegate of france (since may 2002), i come back to my region.
i would new, free, election.
previously i had 19 endorsement, he take the lead wiht only 5 endorsement, were are the others?

i ask to all native nation to help me.

Also sems funny for a bunch of German and Polish themed nations to be in France.They're not doing a WW2 regional RP thing are they?

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you cant take these guys seriously
THIER FREAKING FRENCH!!!! :twisted:
No politics in here.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Pardon me, but I must eject the non natives that came to the region. I have all natives listed on my notepad and will not be fooled.

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3 minutes ago: The Deep Space Colony of Cola VII departed this region for The Rejected Realms
3 minutes ago: The Jean-Marie Le Pen fans of Front National ejected The Deep Space Colony of Cola VII from the region.
3 minutes ago: The Lunatic Asylum of Eridanus departed this region for The Rejected Realms
3 minutes ago: The Jean-Marie Le Pen fans of Front National ejected The Lunatic Asylum of Eridanus from the region.
3 minutes ago: The Armed Republic of Pope Julius II departed this region for The Rejected Realms
3 minutes ago: The Jean-Marie Le Pen fans of Front National ejected The Armed Republic of Pope Julius II from the region.
4 minutes ago: The Jean-Marie Le Pen fans of Front National removed The Republic of Quietitude from the regional ban list.
4 minutes ago: The Republic of Quietitude departed this region for The Rejected Realms
4 minutes ago: The Jean-Marie Le Pen fans of Front National ejected The Republic of Quietitude from the region.
4 minutes ago: The People's Republic of China 33 departed this region for The Rejected Realms

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he kick the nations who endorse me.

quietitude was a native and in france all are wellcome exept spammers and region crasher.

also Gahariat, Chaote, MonteChristo, Przecinek, Trianon are not native.

Some natives have been kicked, and unbanned, as the rules make it clear.

The non-natives that came to my region have all been ejected and banned. They will remain on the list forever. The Front National has a zero immigration policy for his political ennemies.

This is the list of all France's natives, excluding my puppets and my friend's nations and puppets.

As I understand it, I may kick these nations but they must be unbanned. Any other nation can remain on the ban list.
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2werty
AB111
AB112
TAb121
AB129
Algerie
Antourter
Aurore
Avignon
Beanugg
Bladebo
Bourgeois-Communiste
Casse Toi
Champfleury
Chaote
Chasseurdewok
Chilia
Cransfil Gap
Egypte
Evil French Partisans
Froiselle
Gaiah
Gtioprus
Guyane
Ikalaan
Kokottsinya
Kostik
Libres
Lilben
LSFR Quebec
Many Nations
Martinique
Masahora
Mascousia
Maudits
Nilmade
Nouveau Gaul
Nydaroche
PolskiFrance Embassy
Poppets
Pr0ph3t
Quietitude
Rantchess
San-Theodoros
Southern France
Tarte aux poils
The French Empire
The Vigilantes
The Wrigleys
Trianon
Trolland
Tunesie
Venitus

As I understand from this topic (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110545), the nations that were not present in the region when my invasions occured cannot be considered as natives.

Pretty much Front National.

I will caution you, ensure that any password you impose has been supplied to every one of the natives immediately following it's introduction/change.

Password is useless and uneffective. I shall not use it.

you don't know the begenning neutrd sputnick, a was delegate of france since may 2002, the 1 january i had 19 endorsement, i come back the 2, this guy was delegate whis only 3 endorsement and NO NATIVE NATION IN IT.

this list has been take after his take over.

also this evening, he kick me and some of my endorser ( who are native) for don't lose the leadership.
because if you ask to all native nation ( his list work also) i was the real delegate.

you don't know the begenning neutrd sputnick, a was delegate of france since may 2002,

True. So what?

he 1 january i had 19 endorsement, i come back the 2, this guy was delegate whis only 3 endorsement and NO NATIVE NATION IN IT

I gained delegacy because the region had no delegate the first of january.

this list has been take after his take over.

This list has been taken at the moment I became delegate, yes.

also this evening, he kick me and some of my endorser ( who are native) for don't lose the leadership.

As long as you are unbanned everything is OK.

because if you ask to all native nation ( his list work also) i was the real delegate.

I agree, you was delegate in the past.

I gained delegacy because the region had no delegate the first of january

it's impossible, the only reason for that is :
you comme with a lot of nation ( clone or not) take the delegate and put them in an other pace, and you kick me with it.

neutred sputinck, can you talk about it to the most glorious hack
please.
edit: and again FN kick all my support (all native)

You accuse me of multying the first of January on the 5th of semptember? Please. You have absolutely no proof of such action. Western societies have the concept of "Innocent until proven guilty". Please show me who was multying so the moderators can scan my IP.

PS. Ta mère!

i don't know what 's append the 1 and the 2 january.
but the guy who have done this unban only neo nai nation in the thirt time.
you and other, it's not the thirst time you try to get this region by multi.
if the game moderator can see what is hapenned i'm interrested.

PS. Ta mère!


sweet, flamming

PS. Ta mère!

What's his mother got to do with it?

Rantchess, making claims of multying against another player is a serious charge.

We've already looked into this, and so far, nothing has been done illegaly.


Just because you dont like how the game is being played does not mean the Moderators are going to step in.



Now, everyone knock off the arrogance/flaming/flamebait/etc.

Pretty much Front National.

I will caution you, ensure that any password you impose has been supplied to every one of the natives immediately following it's introduction/change.

Just adding something, My French Nation Never Recieved the Password.
and has not so far, Also, Neut, thatnks for the assist in the recent mod activities there.

Loop

Also Ranctness, if you want a flag just let me know.

Yeah, Loop, that's because there is no password

Ok Cool thanks, sorry to be a bother.

Back to my Flag making.

lol, small purgeof the multis. :)

Mascousia
Egypte
Guyane
Tunesie
San-theodoros
Poppets
Kostik

DEATed :P

PS. Ta mère = your mother. What's wrong with that?

He ejected Rantchess just before the game update... This seems like exploiting a loophole.

Awwwwwwwwwwww... :lol:

The United States of Maxin And Relaxin spammed the region France... Please deal with it.

He ejected Rantchess just before the game update... This seems like exploiting a loophole.

Why shouldn't he be able to boot the native before the update, as long as they are IMMEDIATLY taken off of the list. Not taking a side, just asking.

If Rantchess stayed, she'd become delegate. This would be the choice of the natives, as there are no counter-invaders left there.

Yes, Dels are allowed to kick a player for politcal reeasons, but must take them off the ban list. I see how what was done was for strategic reasons, and am not sure why this should be considered abusing the rules, versus simply playing the game effectivly.

Again, not taking a side on the issue, just not sure what is wrong about this.

you don't enderstand what the REAL matter.

please listen to me, why, whit 19 endorsement versus 3 ou 5 i lose the lead??
it's unbeleivable that you are agre whit that !! now every one can kick everyone??
now nationstate is for non democratic?
he kick me and all native nation who endorse me, it's non democratic

neutred sputnick : search what's append the 1 and 2 january the real matter is here.

Look it differently Rantchess: why didn't you file a report with the Getting help page when you were suspicious of cheating? I do not know if cheating occured. I do not know if you had 19 endorsements.

All I know is that I entered the region legally with some friends, I never spammed the regional happennings, I did not multi. It's not my type of actions. Neutred Sputniks and other moderators know about me and my past, which makes such accusations plain grotesque.

And please, do not speak about democracy when you were practicing demoliberal totalitarism with nations in your region sharing capitalist and/or national values, simply ejecting them. By my patriotism towards France I will not let this happen again. I am the one and only leader, and I care about my citizens, but priority in administration belongs to me.

And all is legal. What makes me really suspicious of you telling the truth is that you are telling that I cheated, when the action was done almost one week ago... :roll:

Front National, we were all very amused when you kicked some of your own support that had come to help you from Blue Moon.

Front National, we were all very amused when you kicked some of your own support that had come to help you from Blue Moon.

Feel amused. Support is invitation only. It's not my first invasion, so it's the last time I am fooled by nations that unendorse me at the last minute. Hah.

Immigration under invitation, that's my policy. And it occurs to be very succesful.

He ejected Rantchess just before the game update... This seems like exploiting a Loop hole.

First off why is everyone so obsessed with Loop holes?

Second, it is perfectly legal so long as he Immeadiatly unbans them.

En français :

Il s'avère qu'il est maintenant Spamming les happenings régionaux, comme le conseil régional de message.



In English :
It appears that he is now spamming the regional Happenings, as well as the Regional Message Board.

In English :
It appears that he is now spamming the regional Happenings, as well as the Regional Message Board.

I filed a Getting Help report hours ago.

Knock it off. Everyone.


Natives and Co., quit trying to get the Mods to solve your problems without trying to do something about it yourselves. Front National is legal. As has been stated many times.


Front National, quit taunting the natives and pushing the boundaries of the rules - you keep playing with fire, and you'll get burned.

Knock it off. Everyone.


Natives and Co., quit trying to get the Mods to solve your problems without trying to do something about it yourselves. Front National is legal. As has been stated many times.


Front National, quit taunting the natives and pushing the boundaries of the rules - you keep playing with fire, and you'll get burned.

Actually that is something that has been bugging me for a day or so, a big Name region like france and the France to RR traffic, you would think that at least ONE of the so called "Defender" Groups would be all over a protection rackett like this, Especially the RRA, , ,
, , Unless of course, they are part of it.

getting their Jollies by beating up on the Poor French.

PS. Ta mère!

:roll:

Tais toi.

PS. Ta mère!

:roll:

Tais toi.

Quit. Now.

PS. Ta mère!

:roll:

Tais toi.

Quit. Now.

That's basically what that means.

Front National, quit taunting the natives and pushing the boundaries of the rules - you keep playing with fire, and you'll get burned.

Sir, if I don't eject the 7 usual natives each night I lose my delegacy. But they keep comming back each day! :x

Such is the consequences of your actions. Should you choose to invade regions, you must also choose to abide by our rules.

Such is the consequences of your actions. Should you choose to invade regions, you must also choose to abide by our rules.

Hi !

I'm a french who want to live in the region FRANCE.

I'm quite tired to be permanently kicked out of the region.
I did not spam, flamme, or post any message. Quite boring.
I think that our current delegate quick some nation in order to stay delegate.

I would like to ask to the moderator : Is it correct to do such thing ?

Also Ranctness, if you want a flag just let me know.

my flag is fine..............no??? :lol:

Such is the consequences of your actions. Should you choose to invade regions, you must also choose to abide by our rules.

Hi !

I'm a french who want to live in the region FRANCE.

I'm quite tired to be permanently kicked out of the region.
I did not spam, flamme, or post any message. Quite boring.
I think that our current delegate quick some nation in order to stay delegate.

I would like to ask to the moderator : Is it correct to do such thing ?

Unfortunately, yes, it's legal.

Also Ranctness, if you want a flag just let me know.

my flag is fine..............no??? :lol:
what I mean is if you ever want a new one, just let me know.

Such is the consequences of your actions. Should you choose to invade regions, you must also choose to abide by our rules.

Hi !

I'm a french who want to live in the region FRANCE.

I'm quite tired to be permanently kicked out of the region.
I did not spam, flamme, or post any message. Quite boring.
I think that our current delegate quick some nation in order to stay delegate.

I would like to ask to the moderator : Is it correct to do such thing ?

Unfortunately, yes, it's legal.

Even if i'm a native ?

I'm a native of France but I'm not in your list FN !
Your list seems to be shorter than it should... :x

well, what do ya know...

france has a new delegate.. :twisted: :wink:

vive la france!

Please consider this :

1. "Ta mère" in french is an insult. It is the shortening of "nik ta mère", which basically mean "mother fucker".

2. the FN nation and his flag are nazi sympathisers in real life, denying the holocaust and who have commited some nasty things like the killing of immigrants. This party was on the second round of the last french election, which triggered mass protestation and it is not wise turning it into a joke since it could have serious consequences.

3. The tactic used is exploiting a flaw of this game : the update of the deleguate position is taking place everyday at 9:00 GMT, whereas the ejection of a member is immediate. All he has to do is eject all members who have more endorsments than him at 8:59 GMT everyday. They come back and still have more endorsments but are not deleguate because they missed the update. Many nations in France have more endorsments than the FN but they will never be deleguate due to a game flaw. He will remain deleguate forever with 3 or so endorsments whereas others may never be deleguate with something like 20 endorsments.

4. It looks like there has been a bug around the first of january for that to happen in the first place but I'm not sure about that.

What I ask is that the rules are updated so that this can not happen because this flaw basically makes the UN deleguate position irrelevant and this position was never intended to work like that or there would simply be an option for the UN deleguate to tell that he just remain deleguate forever and cancel the update.
And in the short term I think the right deleguate should be forced because there is no other option to reverse the effect of this bug.

Do the mods agree with me that this a bug in the game?

Very good points...

Vive la France indeed...

Very good points...

Vive la France indeed...

3. The tactic used is exploiting a flaw of this game : the update of the deleguate position is taking place everyday at 9:00 GMT, whereas the ejection of a member is immediate. All he has to do is eject all members who have more endorsments than him at 8:59 GMT everyday. They come back and still have more endorsments but are not deleguate because they missed the update.

I'm not a mod, but like to chip in here anyway:

- Front National has already been removed from power, by players taking over the region. Seems FN wasn't paying as good attention as he (or you) thought.

- Given enough time and effort, no errors made, and a high enough number of endorsements, a region can be held against invasions. Doing so is a lot easier for natives than non-natives. This helps natives to hold on to their region in the first place, but also helps invaders once they have the delegacy. While Front National wasn't making life easy for the natives, I've seen invaders who made things much more difficult for natives (and some of them STILL lost against a well-organized defensive operation). At some point taking back a region (or invading one to begin with) requires a prohibitive amount of effort or number of participants. The France situation wasn't even close to being that difficult.

- In the course of the events in France, I've seen invaders, natives, and defenders all make errors. Each side could've made life a lot more difficult for the opposing team had they been better organized or more fervent in their operations. In some way each side tries to get things done with the least amount of effort, and FN discovered that the effort the other side was willing to make trumped his own ;)

- The 'flaw' you point at in some way does exist, but doesn't really occur until much later in strategic developments. It happens in the case of locked down User Created Regions (generally native defenses making invasions totally impossible for as long as a Founder lives) or Feeder regions where the endorsement numbers become truly huge.

Ballotonia

Actually that is something that has been bugging me for a day or so, a big Name region like france and the France to RR traffic, you would think that at least ONE of the so called "Defender" Groups would be all over a protection rackett like this, Especially the RRA, , ,
, , Unless of course, they are part of it.

getting their Jollies by beating up on the Poor French.Okay, look, give us a break. We do our best, but FN was using the prettty much trump-all tactic, checking the region before the update. There is literally no way to beat that, and I MTNG and the Incompetants did try. We failed. We took Cuba instead that night as it happens, but thats not the point.

I forget what my point was. Its not our fault though, we're a volunteer force here. You can't bollock us just cos we aren't everywhere.

we did it..

but then again, he personally invited me :D

this is what he sent to my Zandra:

The Veritable Democratie of Front National
Received: 2 days ago I have invaded France. I am bored, since noone is coming to free this region from me, the fascist opressor.

Can you make my life entertaning?

hope he liked it ;)

Actually, that flaw was designed to be there. How else would an invading group hold a region? Or are they just not supposed to hold a region - I mean, being non-invaders that would most definately benefit yourselves. Course, it would also effectively end invasions...but you're non-invaders so who cares?...

LOL, natives took over the delegacy in France. I just wonder if revenge will occur. :)

Hahah the french invaded the U.S and tormented the americans too. What an Irony.

Actually, that flaw was designed to be there. How else would an invading group hold a region? Or are they just not supposed to hold a region - I mean, being non-invaders that would most definately benefit yourselves. Course, it would also effectively end invasions...but you're non-invaders so who cares?...

I believe those who argue it is a flaw are attempting to argue that invading should be illegal, without really vocalzing it.

Of course, I guess this is precisely the point you are making.... :)

well Im glad to se soem good finally,

Actually, that flaw was designed to be there. How else would an invading group hold a region? Or are they just not supposed to hold a region - I mean, being non-invaders that would most definately benefit yourselves. Course, it would also effectively end invasions...but you're non-invaders so who cares?...

I believe those who argue it is a flaw are attempting to argue that invading should be illegal, without really vocalzing it.

Of course, I guess this is precisely the point you are making.... :)

Ackbar, how did you ever see right through me? ;)

Actually, that flaw was designed to be there. How else would an invading group hold a region? Or are they just not supposed to hold a region - I mean, being non-invaders that would most definately benefit yourselves. Course, it would also effectively end invasions...but you're non-invaders so who cares?...Well then why isn't there an option to lock the deleguate?

Actually I thought an invasion involved a larger number of nations than the natives and that it was an issue of support : if the invading nations are in greater number they will hold the deleguate status until the natives gather a greater support. But apparently I was mistaken.

I think it is way too easy then for the invaders and way too complicated for natives. What can the natives do exactly to free their region? I mean in France it ended due to the Front National virtually giving up the region because he didn't logon on friday, but if he didn't give up, I don't really understand what the natives were supposed to do. They could have all the support on earth that invader would be able to stay anyway.

Try using a password.

I mean in France it ended due to the Front National virtually giving up the region because he didn't logon on friday, but if he didn't give up, I don't really understand what the natives were supposed to do. They could have all the support on earth that invader would be able to stay anyway.

Something important to realize: the means for natives to defend their region in the first place are what an invader can do to hold on to the region PLUS that they can passlock their region without letting all natives know PLUS that they can ban (not merely eject) all invaders. Natives have the upperhand to begin with. It's true that it's possible for them to end up in a bad situation when they lose control of their region. Anything you do to make it easier to counter-invade a region to liberate it will reduce the power natives have to defend their region to begin with.

Invasion is a part of the game. Those who don't want to be invaded can go to a region with a Founder and lock the delegate out of region control. That settles the issue entirely. If you're in a region without a Founder, being invaded is a risk that needs to be addressed. Think of a password system (periodically or rotating, whatever), or maybe electing a delegate who is actively present to help guard the region. Intelligence work also helps, as it may warn of an upcoming invasion.

Ballotonia

Hahah the french invaded the U.S and tormented the americans too. What an Irony.
If I Recall Correctly, it happened twice, and they were too clearly the American caricature of French People to actually be French.

Well, that and that they then went on to invade mars, themed as nothing except morons the first time.

Assuming that they *were* French however, how is if fair to claim that it was sponsered by the region France?