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A long time ago, before I moved to the Pacific, I was a resident of Monte Carlo.

Early October I became delegate by getting endorsements from other people in the region. Then, like Corinthe, I decided to protect Monte Carlo from outsiders. I was overthrown that night in a coup. After time spent in the Rejected Realms (and even the region Atlantic Alliance) I became a Senator of the NPO. Now I live in Wysteria. But Monte Carlo is my trueest home and I tried to return there after I heard the banlist was cleared but HideOut ejected me. In fact, she called Zu Darkness, who has been in that region for a very long time, an invader.

I have proof that I am a native of Monte Carlo. This NetWorkRadio article from October 10 is proof. http://networkradio.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=d&action=display&num=1065817680

Jerome Hawkins When we spoke earlier, there was another delegate here. Then Mammothistan became delegate and he sent me several telegrams to get interviewed. Unfortunately I hadn't the time until now. Now, how come Mammothistan was chosen to be selected delegate when later on it showed that he was against those values you and your people belived in?

Mendanau Mammothistan arrived in Monte Carlo and endorsed Green Wolves, which gave him a total of 2 verified endorsements. Our forces were called upon to liberate Oceania from the Empire of Power and about that time, Mammothistan had the same amount of endorsements as Green Wolves. As you know, in situations like that, a new delegate is always chosen over an existing one. He used that to eject Green Wolves, and then withdrew from the delegate seat.

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Jerome Hawkins What did Mammothistan do that broke your values and purposes in the region of Monte Carlo?

Mendanau The only thing Mammothistan had a chance to do was password protect Monte Carlo, thus blocking new and original nations from entering the region to begin the revitalization process. Since our forces are here to help, we believe the borders need to remain open at all times, even if we are being threatened by hostile forces bent on invading the region.


The other day I was going through some old files of mine and found a notepad list of all the residents of Monte Carlo from one of the invasions.

The Sultanate of -007-
The Kingdom of Cardmania
The Community of Cherub D
The Principality of Cote dAzure
The Queendom of Danish Hell
The People's Republic of Disorderandchaos
The Republic of Freke
The Armed Republic of French Disney World
The Free Land of Green Wolves
The Borderlands of Hollings
The Holy Empire of Hsimmac
The Protectorate of KGB Informant
The Republic of Long Tall Texan
The Nomadic Peoples of Mammothistan
The Empire of Mordithia "
The Free Land of Mr the Kid
The Rogue Nation of Potion Masters
The Democratic States of Smokingsquirle
The Armed Republic of Sparta-II
The Armed Republic of Super Dragon Knights
The Dictatorship of The Golden Hawks Capitalist Paradise "Til the end [NATO]"
The People's Republic of Tucacacan
The Constitutional Monarchy of Weiess
The Republic of Zu Darkness New York Times Democracy


I am on that list, but HideOut is not. That proves HideOut has not been in that region for as long as she claims, which is the time of babes for hire.

Properties of that show it was created Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 6:15:09am. Last time I touched it was Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 6:15:10am.

I know it is not a screenshot, so you'll have to take my word on it. BUT, it does corroborate with other information known from that time.

I dunno how the mods feel about outside documents being used to verify this kindof thing. Network radio is probably pretty reliable though.

As to notepad/ screenshot thing, I could fake a screenshot in paint pretty damn easily, so i wouldn't be keen on that as evidence either.

Here's the deal though. You left Monte Carlo a while ago, and didnt return for a while. As such, I'd say that you became a native of your new region, and thus Corinthe is able to keep you out.

The designations of Native and Invader are really only applied at the time of invasion.


Just out of curiosity, is HideOut still being propped up by anti-invader nations?

Here's the deal though. You left Monte Carlo a while ago, and didnt return for a while. As such, I'd say that you became a native of your new region, and thus Corinthe is able to keep you out.

The designations of Native and Invader are really only applied at the time of invasion.


Just out of curiosity, is HideOut still being propped up by anti-invader nations?

HideOut's Endorsements: Dragon tooth, Dunnotar, The Heathman

None of those names are familiar to me.

Just out of curiosity, is HideOut still being propped up by anti-invader nations?

I don't recognize any of her endorsers as ADN or RRA, and the GLA seems to be elsewhere.

Here's the deal though. You left Monte Carlo a while ago, and didnt return for a while. As such, I'd say that you became a native of your new region, and thus Corinthe is able to keep you out.

The designations of Native and Invader are really only applied at the time of invasion.


Just out of curiosity, is HideOut still being propped up by anti-invader nations?

Yep.

[Moderator Edit - Cogitation] 2 duplicate posts deleted. [/modedit]

Here's the deal though. You left Monte Carlo a while ago, and didnt return for a while. As such, I'd say that you became a native of your new region, and thus Corinthe is able to keep you out.

But I was on the region's ban list for a long time and could not return. As I understand it, it was either during or after the AA's occupation of it that I was finally cleared off it.

Here's the deal though. You left Monte Carlo a while ago, and didnt return for a while. As such, I'd say that you became a native of your new region, and thus Corinthe is able to keep you out.

But I was on the region's ban list for a long time and could not return. As I understand it, it was either during or after the AA's occupation of it that I was finally cleared off it.

Seems to me you should have complained about this at the time.

Here's the deal though. You left Monte Carlo a while ago, and didnt return for a while. As such, I'd say that you became a native of your new region, and thus Corinthe is able to keep you out.

But I was on the region's ban list for a long time and could not return. As I understand it, it was either during or after the AA's occupation of it that I was finally cleared off it.

Seems to me you should have complained about this at the time.

With all due respect I don't see a statute of limitations and despite his involvement with the Pacific ban list policy is confusing at best. I can see why the reluctance to complain and opt to just move on.

[Moderator Edit - Cogitation] 2 duplicate posts deleted. [/modedit]

Thank you.

I don't recognize any of her endorsers as ADN or RRA, and the GLA seems to be elsewhere.

The ADN is not in Monte Carlo.

Just out of curiosity, is HideOut still being propped up by anti-invader nations?

The 'regular' anti-invaders/defenders have left Monte Carlo quite some time ago. Bascially, handing the region over to native control (HideOut) was the last defender action. After that they left at their own convenience. The nations currently supporting HideOut ar not known to me as belonging to any defender group / alliance. They may have the intent to stay there long-term. Whether you rule them natives, invaders, or simply non-native will be interesting, especially the reasoning you will use for this (and which previous rulings this will be inconsistent with).

Ballotonia

IF they are only there due to an invasion, then they would most certainly not be natives. How frikin hard is it to understand that?

........... How frikin hard is it to.........


I love it when you’re angry. Your whole face lights up. But please watch your language.

Another job well done by:


Dutch Dork-Patrol.


So many Dorks, so little time. Vigilantes we are.

IF they are only there due to an invasion, then they would most certainly not be natives. How frikin hard is it to understand that?

As far as I know, they arrived after the invasion occured and didn't participate in it themselves. Does that qualify for your rather vague "only there due to" qualifier? Keep in mind that qualifier risks being a rather broad brush: former natives returning to a region after an invasion 'opens' it back up again could also be covered by it, for example.

But it is rather interesting you're backpeddling on your previous 'intent' ruling. I'm happy with that, as that one was even more flawed.

Ballotonia

Because saying that a nation is there due to an invasion is not at all related to intent?

Because saying that a nation is there due to an invasion is not at all related to intent?

Related, but not even remotely the same thing. 'due to' is about cause and effect. Intent is what a person plans to do/see happen.

A very simple example: you walk into Nederland with the intent to stay there. As Founder, I boot you to the RR. You are now in the RR due to me booting you, but without the intent to be there at all.

From Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: due to
Function: preposition
Date: 1897
: as a result of : BECAUSE OF <due to the complaints of uptight parents ... he lost his job -- Herbert Gold>
usage The objection to due to as a preposition is only a continuation of disagreements that began in the 18th century over the proper uses of owing and due. Due to is as grammatically sound as owing to, which is frequently recommended in its place. It has been and is used by reputable writers and has been recognized as standard for decades. There is no solid reason to avoid due to.

Main Entry: 1in·tent
Pronunciation: in-'tent
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English entent, from Old French, from Late Latin intentus, from Latin, act of stretching out, from intendere
Date: 13th century
1 a : the act or fact of intending : PURPOSE; especially : the design or purpose to commit a wrongful or criminal act <admitted wounding him with intent> b : the state of mind with which an act is done : VOLITION
2 : a usually clearly formulated or planned intention : AIM
3 a : MEANING, SIGNIFICANCE b : CONNOTATION 3
synonym see INTENTION

Ballotonia

Ah, damn, was I using logic again?

Ballotonia. Quit. Now.

Ah, damn, was I using logic again?

Ballotonia. Quit. Now.

We must have different definitions of logic. I can only hope you understand that above I was trying to clarify my point, in an attempt to at least understand one another. Since you respond with nothing more than sarcasm and a request to terminate this exchange, there is no point in continuing this.

Request lock.

Ballotonia

Perhaps because I have nothing new to add, and you continue to be obtuse...whatever.