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Hive Fleet Imodious (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=hive_fleet_imodius)

VS.

The Eizen Empire (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=Eizen)

The Pretexts for War between the two nations (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109377&highlight=&sid=fbbb7e109c2dffa24a18a248c1504e8a)

Claims Made By Hive Fleet Imodius Via Telegram:

Ok so you want to wage war on a nation that is entirly composed around war riiight
by my calculations u have about 25 - 30million troops (25% of population) i have 75 million but we can work this out.

This was his first attempt to intimidate me out of a conflict.

uuuh huh. and you are what species - human?? well good luck trying to black mroe than 25% population as full time army m8 baring in mind not all of that will be combat troops because you need hqs medics and tacktical as well as mechanics so good luck to yah.

This is, I feel, the more idiotic of the two telegrams. He is basically telling a nation that is ten times larger and decidedly more powerful (one of the top in the world in terms of Armed Forces going by the last UN Rankings) and he is basically saying that he can field more soldiers at will.

Since we are future tech nations this conflict will ultimately take place in space through our fleets.

Would someone, preferably a mod or an experienced player, please impart upon this particular player the folly of his actions? Even if he is allowed to use half of his population as soldiers (which I am tempted to allow given the disparity of the conflict) he still faces a daunting task when it comes to challenging a nation of my size.

50% of the population is impossible...
10% is pushing it.

Take into account your economies again, if he has an imploded economy he's not going to be able to afford vast numbers of high-tech weapons...
Take a look at the god-moding threads in the International Incidents thread.

He has a strong economy. But nothing he has can equal that of the Empire.

Well, war has been declared...

He also has a population of 160 million... compared to you 2 billion.
Smite him.

Er ... I'm not experienced in NS, but I do have to say, with the full weight of a postgrad degree in maths behind me, that his calculations are less impressive than his imagination. 25% of 2 billion is not 25-30 million, more like 500 million.

Looks to me like he's toast.

Eizen Usually maintains a military of 5.5% or so but in special cases we will call up our reserves to inflate this to nearly 6.5-7%*

Personally I would like him to address this thread should he come across it. I will telegram him with the link shortly so that he may fairly address his concerns. That's only fair right?


*Eizen's military however is paid handsomely. Soldiers earn proper wage that reflect their service to the Emperor and his majesty generously and ceremoniously cedes some of his own wealth each year for distribution to the enlisted men of the military for their hard and much appreciated work.

Such reflects a popular syaing in Eizen.

"I may never be Emperor, but I may always be a soldier"

The burdens of leadership are outweighed by the burdens of defending the Empire. his Majesty himself served as a solider under his father's regime and understands this.

Er ... I'm not experienced in NS, but I do have to say, with the full weight of a postgrad degree in maths behind me, that his calculations are less impressive than his imagination. 25% of 2 billion is not 25-30 million, more like 500 million.

Looks to me like he's toast.
So that's what youre learning in grad school? Arithmetic? j/k :P :wink:

50% of the population is impossible...
10% is pushing it.

Take into account your economies again, if he has an imploded economy he's not going to be able to afford vast numbers of high-tech weapons...
Take a look at the god-moding threads in the International Incidents thread.
I don't think its unreasonable for a nation to call up 15% of its population for war (not that merely 1% of Eizen's 2 billion won't suffice for smiting the godmodder)... after all, Germany mobilized around 15% of its population during World War I.

But I rarely ever RP, so what would I know.

War-time conscripts is one thing, permanent force is another.
The Chinese Red Army is the largest in the world at about 2 million men strong.
That's about 0.15% of its population.

*begins chanting in the background*

Smite! Smite! Smite!

Hive mind is doomed, but, I would have just used regular weapons. You never know what unforseen results may occur when using biological weapons on a previously untested species.

War-time conscripts is one thing, permanent force is another.
The Chinese Red Army is the largest in the world at about 2 million men strong.
That's about 0.15% of its population.

Yeah well Eizen said his country mobilizes up to 7% of its population for wars, and I just wanted to imagine an army of 15% of 2 billion people :shock:

And another thing I think when talking about wars, standing army figures are irrelevant because most of the time (throughout history at least) no one fights wars with just standing armies. So wouldn't it be sufficient to just talk about your maximum strength (exceeding 5%, that is)?

But then again I read in another thread that nowadays on NS there are rarely any all-out wars and that most wars can be fought with small armies far below even the standing army strength, much less the maximum strength...

as this thread is ooc i take it everything said here shall remain ooc>
The hive is genetically engenered to collect DNA from various cultures and adapt to it in order to evolve and acheive perfection.
The Hive is based around the theorem of Tyranids most of you should know about this but for those of you who dont i shall elaborate a little...
Tyranids are basically a big army moving through space. Each colony is but a single wave. No one knows where they come from all they know is that they are far from peaceful, because they come from the deepest reaches of space possibly even another universe (not alternate just interconnecting non of this wormholecrap or interdimensional travel)
thus while yes you most certanly can destroy this wave destroying the hive is infact close to impossible. The reason for the high armed forces are simply that this species are bred to fight most of the rest of my population are not workers or anything else. Most of them are just spores requiring only the correct genetic information to wake them up. As such creating a whole new species in a day is nothing new for the hive. It just happens. Feeding the hive consumes large amounts of radioactive materials predominantly radioactive waste collected from allys who are unable to produce clean reactors.
The fact that around 70 million of my armed forces are in hibernation untill called upon similar to that of Alien means that feeding them is rarly a problem as while they are sleeping consumption is at a minimum.
Other species can be "implanted" by the hive in a similar way to the borg however their children are born mutated as they are infact no longer the origional species but are infact a hybreed of the two eg: human + geneharvester.
i hope this clears some stuff up for u all any questions then please do not hesitate to ask.

(also sorry about any spelling had to rush this)

This will most likely be considered god-moding by other players.
They are unlikely to accept these terms. If you want to get some enjoyment out of RP, try and meet players on their own terms. That way you get along better.

>Edit: To Sketch<

These weapons are not ready yet, The idea was just concieved after all, but if the hives ships prove to be organic and carbon based then his Majesty will use them in a war effort. He claims that his fleet is entirely based in space on these hive Ships, therefore biological attacks could end the war as soon as they are deployed, in theory.

Would someone, preferably a mod or an experienced player, please impart upon this particular player the folly of his actions

(Bold added by myself)

Mods do not police or enforce RP, that is up to the players. Now if you wanted an experianced player to tell him, this would be fine.

~Bas

We cannot really prevent people from exaggerating their strength or prowess through what is often termed "Godmoding", because it is not our responsibility to police actual RP. If people do that sort of thing, it is best to ignore them, unless it takes on the character of spam or harassment. In which case it is of interest to us.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I notice your using Warhammer style characters. How convient for you, that WH40K does not utilize any type of support whatsoever. That is, of course, discounting usage of artillery and what not as "support" :roll: Continue to RP this style of claiming that support is not nessessary, you come to find your stya here either a) unpleasant - due to bitchin' players, b) uneventful - due to being mass-ignored, but most likely c) both - since that's what's gonna happen pretty soon.

You also forget that "genestealers", a genetic combinant between humans and Tyrnnid genes, are not self sufficient. In fact, it is clearly written in the Tyrannid codex that genestealers depend on on their parents (human ones, brainwashed by enhanced paternal instincts - courtesy of Tyrnnid genes/whatever) to raise them to full maturity. Once the Tyrnnid fleet arrives, the main "army" actually feeds off the biological materials of the world itself. Therefore, by your own system, have are at an extreme disadvantage. Any forces you field would either have to have easy access to biological resources (ie, a planet) or be extremely small. Considering that you are currently a roving fleet, I would say that you are both small and weak. 90% of your warriors would be easy targets in their incubation chambers. I hope you enjoy watching your spawn burn before your very eyes.

@Bas and TG.

I do remember Enodia saying just a couple of weeks ago that the mods will enforce RP rules. I'll try and dredge up the thread.

[EDIT]

Sorry, not Enodia, it was TJHairball.

Actually, we do pop over to II every now and then to make sure everybody is sticking to proper RP ettiquette. Not as often as we should, but it does say right there on the label: RP ettiquette is enforced.

If you have a problem, whether it's in II or any other forum section, please link all the relevant threads in your post to this forum complaining about it.

I notice your using Warhammer style characters. How convient for you, that WH40K does not utilize any type of support whatsoever. That is, of course, discounting usage of artillery and what not as "support" :roll: Continue to RP this style of claiming that support is not nessessary, you come to find your stya here either a) unpleasant - due to bitchin' players, b) uneventful - due to being mass-ignored, but most likely c) both - since that's what's gonna happen pretty soon.

You also forget that "genestealers", a genetic combinant between humans and Tyrnnid genes, are not self sufficient. In fact, it is clearly written in the Tyrannid codex that genestealers depend on on their parents (human ones, brainwashed by enhanced paternal instincts - courtesy of Tyrnnid genes/whatever) to raise them to full maturity. Once the Tyrnnid fleet arrives, the main "army" actually feeds off the biological materials of the world itself. Therefore, by your own system, have are at an extreme disadvantage. Any forces you field would either have to have easy access to biological resources (ie, a planet) or be extremely small. Considering that you are currently a roving fleet, I would say that you are both small and weak. 90% of your warriors would be easy targets in their incubation chambers. I hope you enjoy watching your spawn burn before your very eyes.

As a once avid 40k player...I'd have to agree with this.

food is not a problem i have an ally who is providing the hive with everything it needs for ooc reference>Torontonias
for further proof of this i can provide forum reference.

Sketch you will also notice that i am not exactly like the hive and they are not genestealers they are geneharvesters. And btw genestealers are capable of total independance away from the hive. Genestealers are not just human to xeno they are a combination but work best with humans. They are also NOT derived from humans they were created around the human genome as a counter to them the off spring from genestealer cultists are hybrids a croos between the two species. In warhammer the patriach is the origional genestealer that first started the cult on the plannet.
When we come down to it as the is a future sci fi rp BASE does not come into it - ever the fact that most that occurs within these forums rp wise is (admitedly as far as we know) impossible thus basing myself around somthing is of no consequence.

Hey guys, if you're going to debate 40k, don't do it in the Mod forum. We have General and NationStates for that purpose. Since the issue has been resolved, I'm asking for a lock.

~Bas

Would someone, preferably a mod or an experienced player, please impart upon this particular player the folly of his actions

(Bold added by myself)

Mods do not police or enforce RP, that is up to the players. Now if you wanted an experianced player to tell him, this would be fine.

~Bas

I meant more along the lines of a gaming mod who is familiar with the RP'ing protocols used here on NS, my bad.

I am not actually sure whether it has been resolved. Perhaps one of the RP experienced Mods will be better qualified to come to a judgement.

But I can see that there is some controversy over the exaggeration of forces in an RP. If it is a problem, and you are unable to come to an agreement amongst yourselves, you might consider ignoring it.

There is also the beginning of a long and involved argument over the Warhammer 40000 Codex. Considering the size of that document, I suggest you take that to NationStates, should you wish to continue it.

I ask you to stick strictly to the topic, and am reserving judgement until someone else takes a look.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I am just going to ignore all of this crap anyway. Hive Fleet no longer has enough credibility to be worth RP ing with.

Mods dont deal with RP problems. Your best bet is to simply ignore players you feel are RPing poorly.

Mods dont deal with RP problems. Your best bet is to simply ignore players you feel are RPing poorly.

I've seen TJ post somewhere that Mods do go into II and NS to make sure everyone is following the basic RP rules. If I see it again, I'll link you.

~Bas

As you asked for an experienced person to talk to him, I'm just gonna give him a telegram, as I expect thats what you were looking for. I do have a background in Warhammer, and, at least I hope, that I'm a realistic RPer, so a little advice never hurt eh? 8)

Mods dont deal with RP problems. Your best bet is to simply ignore players you feel are RPing poorly.

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