NationStates Jolt Archive

i think there's a bit of confusion about what belongs in there..

i think these threads don't belong there:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108722
(okay, so maybe we hijacked it a little into a discussion of what belongs in there..)
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108571
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108556
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108845

also, it might be good to move the original discussion (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100826) about this forum to the forum gameplay, but i rather wait for Qaaol's thoughts on that one..

so..
ideas anyone?

Probably a summarised Origional discussion would be better. One the first one and a half pages i think (If im thinking of the right thread) Its just me and Qaal discussing names, aand a few other endorsements

What does and doesn't belong is still being sorted out. We're kinda letting it evolve on it's own.

mmm, guess we'll just have to fight it out then :twisted:

Lol :lol:

and what's so funny?

i'm talking about an all-out forum war here ;)

could get pretty messy.. :twisted:

My interpretation of "Gameplay" is to discuss the game and its happening without having to role play, which is a relief. Thats what I'm doing. Like Hack said, just let it evolve for now, see what shape it forms. :)

TROUSRS, I agree, I also don't think that OOC roleplay threads should go there either (plans for RPs, disscussion of RPs,)

in the meantime, it might be a good idea to sticky this topic?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98684

in the meantime, it might be a good idea to sticky this topic?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98684Is done.

Thanks Hack

well, that's already something ;)

*blows a kiss to hack*

Yeah, I know. I da man.

now i only have one more wish for that forum...
but guess i'll have to handle that one myself.

TROUSRS, I agree, I also don't think that OOC roleplay threads should go there either (plans for RPs, disscussion of RPs,)

ya, because I get tired of talking in characer, so we can now discuss the RPs out of character. It's a lot easier.

that's all fine and nice, but can't you do that somewhere in your own forums, instead of filling up the new one?

TROUSRS, I agree, I also don't think that OOC roleplay threads should go there either (plans for RPs, disscussion of RPs,)

ya, because I get tired of talking in characer, so we can now discuss the RPs out of character. It's a lot easier.I agree with CG, it makes sense to put those threads in the same place as the RPs themselves.

Or, they could go in General even.

TROUSRS, I agree, I also don't think that OOC roleplay threads should go there either (plans for RPs, disscussion of RPs,)

ya, because I get tired of talking in characer, so we can now discuss the RPs out of character. It's a lot easier.I agree with CG, it makes sense to put those threads in the same place as the RPs themselves.

Or, they could go in General even.

Both the forums for Role Play are In character. Last time I made an etirely OOC thread, it was moved.

Remember.. letting it form...

Threads like the first and third ones in question used to go in NationStates, but now that that is strictly In Character, this seems to be the most logical place to put it.

form into what? another forum for role-players?

form into what? another forum for role-players?

No one is role playing there.. they are discussing the playing of the game..

Look I don't plan on carrying on anymore.. it's there, it's not going to be moved because the forum is still forming, thats that.



Kuzmich Posolski
The Chronically Bored States of TROUSRS
G.D.O.D.A.D. Member
"If you don't like swimming here, try swimming to shore."

Ah, why's my signature showing up?

I know that this is not likely in the near future, but to put a bug in the the ears of Salusa and [violet]:

Would it be possible to create a forum aboout in game activities?

I mean neither another RP forum, nor a new Tech Forum, but rather, a forum for discussing puppets, parody nations, UN rankings, in game empires, the ettiquite of region crashing, region hoppers, etc. That is to say a forum for those activities which are not truly role-play, but are semi-IC, and therefore fall in a sort of no-man's land between Technical, NationStates, Moderation, and General (which despite being techincally for anything would lose these threads too quickly to be discussed, I've tried it before).

Would this be plausble sometime in the future do you think?
Or do you feel that it would do nothing but stretch the moderators even thinner and chew up bandwidth for no real benefit?

that was the original plan for this new forum.

OK, with all due respect to the mods decision to let the forum "evolve", I have to most vehemenently call for a ruling on this.
Tha fact is, the "gameplayers" (Im using this term to describe what we meant in the original discussion) are currently a minority. As with any fledgling group its going to take time to attract the other gameplayers who do not use the forums to come here, but they wont bother if they have to fight past rp threads and dig through pages. This is what happened to NS.
Also we have a case where Ns is IC but II is strictly IC, what is the distinction here? Is there leeway for posting OOC items in NS because of this disparity?
As Ive previouysly stated, I can see the gameplay going the way of NS in the near future without some kind of restrictions, simply by the fact that the gameplayers on this board are a fledgling group, think about it, how far would the rp community have advanced if it wasnt facilitated with its own forum? It probably would not be as rich and diverse as it is now Im sure, that is simply what we want for the gameplaying community.

Again, just to re-iterate, Ive every respect for the mods secision to stasnd back on this one, I can even perceive the logic to it, but I do feel that without some boundaries we (gameplayers) wont have much of a chance.
This isnt about spitefulness or covetousness, I just think that given a little time, we can develop the gameplaying community here, we just need the room to do it.

Sorry for repeating it all over and over btw!

We're keeping our hands off for now.

Orders from the top. We'll get back to you as the situation develops.

--Scolo

Thats just my problem. I suspect that [violet] plans to leave things a while to see who wins control of the forum . . . . .

*shrugs*

Sorry to put it this way, but... too bad. We've got our orders, and they are to stand by. If they change, we will act accordingly; until then, we are to let it evolve naturally.

I don't suppose anyone has considered sharing gameplay between OOC threads and regional stuff, eh?

--Scolo

I don't suppose anyone has considered sharing gameplay between OOC threads and regional stuff, eh?

--Scolo
Much like the original NationStates forum? The one thats now wholly RP?

Scolo, we fought for a while on this to get a forum that was for the people who don't want to rp. It just sucks that we do that and then seem to conceed it straight away.

Oh ive thought of it, in fact Id be quite happy to if the two groups are on an equal footing, but theyre not there are a lot more rpers, and consequently there will be a lot more threads. We wont be able to develop the gameplaying community, , encourage others to use the forums if we have to compete. Thats why so few gameplayers use the forums as it is, originally we werew to be able to use Nationstates, but most people got frustrated about searching for posts amid the the mountains of rp.

Ohwell, well just have to fight it out I guess.

Ohwell, well just have to fight it out I guess.
Evidently, we've tried to fight it, but CG was told to stop hijaking the thread.

If this is going to be allowed to evolve into an OOC forum for RP, then, well, obviously the RP'rs have a majority, and they will take over this forum, as well as their other two. The idea was to give us non-RP'rs a home on the forums.

*shrugs* I think it's wrong of CG to give it up as useless, but if we can't fight it, then she's right.

It just sucks that we do that and then seem to conceed it straight away.

I aint conceeding. Unfree is right aswell, we cant give up the ghost. I know I only joined Quaal's thread halfway through, but I want to see this happen aswell.
Hmm, Im a really bad rp'er, maybe I should start again and screw the threads with my ineptitude! :twisted:

form into what? another forum for role-players?
THere are only about half a dozen RP threads.

Nag the Mods, and drown out the RP sez I!

Nag the Mods, and drown out the RP sez I!
I do understand your motivation, and so really don't mind... but I tell you it won't do a bit of good to nag us. We have orders from the top. Pinnacle, apex, bridge, peak, summit, point of maximum elevation; what I say to you is that our lassiez-faire attitude is most assuredly not a moderator-generated protocol formed by debate or precedent.

We're ordered to stand by. Your disagreement shall be noted and passed along but I reiterate that we can not do anything about it for the time being.

--Scolo

Nag the Mods, and drown out the RP sez I!
I do understand your motivation, and so really don't mind... but I tell you it won't do a bit of good to nag us. We have orders from the top. Pinnacle, apex, bridge, peak, summit, point of maximum elevation; what I say to you is that our lassiez-faire attitude is most assuredly not a moderator-generated protocol formed by debate or precedent.

We're ordered to stand by. Your disagreement shall be noted and passed along but I reiterate that we can not do anything about it for the time being.

--Scolo
Drat! :evil:

Well thank you for passing it along, Scolo, and I'll mention it to admin myself.

I don't suppose anyone has considered sharing gameplay between OOC They have two forums and can use one for recruitment and OOC discussion. I considered it, and no, I, for one shall fight it out.

Nag the Mods, and drown out the RP sez I!
We can still show the RP'rs that this will NOT be a third RP forum by doing our best to post as much as we can about in-game stuff, and bringing in other people as well.

Scolo, appreciated. Out of curiousity did [violet] order this because she's temporarily gone or something?

Scolo, appreciated. Out of curiousity did [violet] order this because she's temporarily gone or something?
I seem to recall that soembody said that [violet] wanted to keep an eye on it and was unable to.

That might be why.

And, yes, let us fight tooth and nail against the RPers (and by petioning admin).

I've gone ahead and stepped in. There are already two forums devoted to RP - II is IC, and NS is OOC. Gameplay will be for those who wish to discuss the playing of NationStates, but is NOT for RP.

dp

I've gone ahead and stepped in. There are already two forums devoted to RP - II is IC, and NS is OOC. Gameplay will be for those who wish to discuss the playing of NationStates, but is NOT for RP.{edit to express thanks in a more appropriate way}

*Gives hearty slap on the back*

Thanks Neut

*blinks*

wow, thank you Neutered Sputniks!

Will you be pulling the little IC tag off of NS?

I cant, I dont have Admin powers, but I will be talking to [violet] and/or [reploidproductions] and having one of them do so.

from all the mods...
neut cleans up the gameplay forum..

thanks, you're a darling ;)

*blows a kiss to neut*

Oh sorry, I thought you had. My bad!

Céad Míle Fáilte!

As I mentioned on the other thread:

<---- Builds Neut Temple complex between [violet] and Sal complexes, the largest one devoted to a normal mod, even larger than the ones for Cog and Hack. :wink:

Aye Neut, 'tis grand of you to have done this for us. I will certainly be among the regulars of your new temple.

As I mentioned on the other thread:

<---- Builds Neut Temple complex between [violet] and Sal complexes, the largest one devoted to a normal mod, even larger than the ones for Cog and Hack. :wink:

:roll:

While I have no problem with the clean-up of the forum - my thread was moved, I believe, by mistake...

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108980

While this thread is for Role Play University (and thereby relates to RPing) it is also part of regional politics recruitment and faces its own out of character challenges. I'd ask the mods to reconsider this movement.

Thanks.

Wolfish.

Um, yes, I am not sure how your regional recruitment thread ended up in II. I think I will move it to NS for the time being. You are correct, I do not think it should be there.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

If it's Wolfish's thread to which you're referring Tac, I moved it to NationStates as it's more closely related to forum RP than in-game actions. After that, I didnt touch it...

If it's Wolfish's thread to which you're referring Tac, I moved it to NationStates as it's more closely related to forum RP than in-game actions. After that, I didnt touch it...

Let me make one final arguement that my thread should remain in Gameplay, and then I'll leave it alone.

According to the Announcement of the new forum, it is for...(edited down by Wolfish)

Regional publicity and PR, in the form of, but not necessarily limited to:

Region Directories / Recruitment.
Regional Forum / Website Directory.


Discussions about semi-IC themed regions.

The above noted thread falls into these areas.

It is a regional recruitment ad. And it is a semi-IC or non-IC themed region.

The region is NOT part of any RP - but rather provides a service to nations. And while that service relates to RPing - it is in-fact non-IC.

Therefore the thread promoting this service should be in Gameplay.

Thanks.
Wolfish.

But the region is devoted to the instruction of RP ettiquete, is it not? Therefore, it is more fitting of the NationStates forum.

But the region is devoted to the instruction of RP ettiquete, is it not? Therefore, it is more fitting of the NationStates forum.

Instruction is the key word - not RP. If it were a region devoted to map making (which is just as ooc as my region) - where would it reside?

The region itself is ooc. National Leaders don't come to RPU to learn - individuals behind the leaders - those playing the game come.

Several times nations have come to use looking for an ic alliance - we always refuse because we operate in the ooc world of gameplay.

It stays.

It stays.

Fair enough. At least I had my say. Thanks.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109277

can you move it out? pretty please? ;)

Done

okay, thanks http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/kao/chika/chirolp_nikori.gif

Done

http://www.everyonelovesbuttons.com/samples/images/happy_face.jpg

Thank you

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109316

and another one: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109322

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109335

another one

I guess we now have another General forum.. General forum part II

Or so it would appear! :roll:

I guess we now have another General forum.. General forum part II

Or so it would appear! :roll:

Nooo! One is too many :cry:

If it's Wolfish's thread to which you're referring Tac, I moved it to NationStates as it's more closely related to forum RP than in-game actions. After that, I didnt touch it...

Let me make one final arguement that my thread should remain in Gameplay, and then I'll leave it alone.

According to the Announcement of the new forum, it is for...(edited down by Wolfish)

Regional publicity and PR, in the form of, but not necessarily limited to:

Region Directories / Recruitment.
Regional Forum / Website Directory.


Discussions about semi-IC themed regions.

The above noted thread falls into these areas.

It is a regional recruitment ad. And it is a semi-IC or non-IC themed region.

The region is NOT part of any RP - but rather provides a service to nations. And while that service relates to RPing - it is in-fact non-IC.

Therefore the thread promoting this service should be in Gameplay.

Thanks.
Wolfish.

Well, what would you call this move? This is my region.. a region dedicated to Game Play.. it couldn't be more obvious.. yet apparently it doesn't fall under Game play rather RP.. when we don't even RP..lol

Sounds like another General Forum to me. That or a completely pointless forum.. exactly what's it going to be used for if not Game play?

*confused*

Well, (stepping in Neut's shoes for a minute) I think what Neut was saying was that the Gameplay forum is for discussions like 'What is your motto about' and 'Hey come to <region> we're so cool!!1'
RP-related stuff (i.e. planning of RPs, RP advice/questions etc.) go in NationStates.
I guess RPU is difficult to place... it's kinda like conspiring to commit RP, but I think an exception should be made for RPU seeing as it is all OOC.


Still, RPU is in the Yellow Pages and my list of offsite forums :)

Well, what would you call this move? This is my region.. a region dedicated to Game Play.. it couldn't be more obvious.. yet apparently it doesn't fall under Game play rather RP.. when we don't even RP..lol

Sounds like another General Forum to me. That or a completely pointless forum.. exactly what's it going to be used for if not Game play?

*confused*
I personally agree with Wolfish, I just didn't jump to his defense because I wasn't sure if jumping to the defense of this thread when I had accidently requested a move, further than admitting that it was an accident would encourage actual RP threads.

I see your point though on that it does belong in here.

What I don't agree with is that this is a new General forum.

If you actually read the threads in here, it is far from it.

I think that there is a case for RPU being in the gameplay forum... but the people who go to that forum aren't likely to be those interested in rping.

So maybe NS is the more pragmatic place to put it... I dunno

The other difficult thing is we don't recruit people pe say to our region. You need not reside in our region to take our courses. Also, not all of our courses are RP related, while admittedly most of them are. However, we don't RP, we teach newbies and any one who wants to improve their game play skills. This actually saves time for the mods having to clear up problems that otherwise would end up in tech or mod for clarification otherwise.

Perhaps calling it General forum II was a little over the top.. I just don't agree with the decision to exclude RPU from being part of the Game Play forum given RPU has every thing to do with game play.

I have never RP'd on this site.. nor will I probably ever. I personally teach effective UN proposal writing at RPU and am the co-founder and tech for the off-site education center.

Maybe it's our name? LOL

Maybe it's our name? LOL
More than likely methinks.

Perhaps you should enrol Neut into one of your classes :wink:

Hmm.... seeing as RPU is the headquarters for the UN... and Steph is the UN delegate... I guess she's the UN Secretary-General. Steffi Annan :wink:

I think that there is a case for RPU being in the gameplay forum... but the people who go to that forum aren't likely to be those interested in rping.

So maybe NS is the more pragmatic place to put it... I dunno

Actually - by my rough count - in 2 days that ad in Gameplay brought 5 students to RPU. That's higher in a shorter amount of time than posts in NS or II. (We're now over 155).

Cheers,
W.

I think that there is a case for RPU being in the gameplay forum... but the people who go to that forum aren't likely to be those interested in rping.

So maybe NS is the more pragmatic place to put it... I dunno

Actually - by my rough count - in 2 days that ad in Gameplay brought 5 students to RPU. That's higher in a shorter amount of time than posts in NS or II. (We're now over 155).

Cheers,
W.Ah, ok. I think it should probably be in Gameplay then, as its basicly an ad for a region and thats seems to be a good working place for it.

My nation is a new nation, relatively speaking. I was fortunate enough to stumble across RPU at a point when I was about to quit NS, several days after I had initially signed up. I've been an enthusiastic member ever since. My perspective is admitedly biased, and I have neither the experience nore the qualifications that the rest of you have regarding this topic. Wolfish and Stephanie are more eloquent than I, and they hardly need me to vouch for the validity of their position, their reputations speak for themselves.Nevertheless, here goes....

It seems to me that part of the problem is nomenclature. The name "Role Play University" suggests that the region and board are dedicated to RP, and at least in part, that's true. However, I have learned as much - or more - about the non-RP aspects of the game while resident as I have the RP aspects. Arguably, the name NS University would better describe the breadth of support and education offered. Furthermore, I have on several occasions seen our Founder and Delegate explicitly discourage IC material on our message board. I've looked at hundreds of regions, regional message boards, and offsite boards in the last month. I've seen nothing that comes close to RPU in terms of game play education and support. I hope the RPU thread can be returned to GamePlay.

Another one.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109633

Blatantly concept of RP.

Wold a mod be kind enough to move it?

Moved to NS. That one was quite clear cut. It is a new forum after all, people will get used to it eventually.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Moved to NS. That one was quite clear cut. It is a new forum after all, people will get used to it eventually.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
Thank You TG.

Whereas you don't have WMDs in NationStates and this seems to be the place to report topic-moves for the new forum ... this seems like a confused newb to me:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109672

Here is another one:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109410

While your nation's currency is indeed a gameplay aspect, the history of your nation's currency seems more RPish to me.

I think there has been a lot of confusion as to what does and doesn't belong in the new Game Play forum. I hope this little tid bit from [violet] herself should clear this up for most people.


[violet] wrote:

The forum category descriptions have been updated. The idea is that "Gameplay" is for loosely-RPed or OOC talk about how you play NationStates... but really, we'll just see how discussion evolves. The forum categories generally try to fit in with what people want to talk about; they don't prescribe it.

This thread can be found here;

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108550

I certainly hope this clears this up once and for all!

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Technically speaking... 'How you play NationStates' could include RP-advice...

I don't mean to question a mod decision, but technically if advertising a region where RP takes place/is discussed... then my list of regional websites and forums should be moved as well.

Technically speaking... 'How you play NationStates' could include RP-advice...

I don't mean to question a mod decision, but technically if advertising a region where RP takes place/is discussed... then my list of regional websites and forums should be moved as well.
I agree with you that the RPU thread belongs in the Gameplay forum, and I apologized for my initial comment in the "Invasion of the RPers" thread here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109608&highlight=).

I think that what Steph meant was that they were now going to stop moving actual RP threads out again.

Oh, I wasn't arguing with Steph, I was just saying that [violet]'s post is a little vague, and at the moment it appears as though the RPU thread belongs in Gameplay. :)

Oh, I wasn't arguing with Steph, I was just saying that [violet]'s post is a little vague, and at the moment it appears as though the RPU thread belongs in Gameplay. :)
Steph Agrees with Wolfish, Spof agrees with Wolfish, You agree with Wolfish, and I (who ignorantly suggested the move) agree with Wolfish.

I hope that Neut will move it back, although after what I put the mods through in these past couple of days, I am not going to ask for it.

Oh, I wasn't arguing with Steph, I was just saying that [violet]'s post is a little vague, and at the moment it appears as though the RPU thread belongs in Gameplay. :)
Steph Agrees with Wolfish, Spof agrees with Wolfish, You agree with Wolfish, and I (who ignorantly suggested the move) agree with Wolfish.

I hope that Neut will move it back, although after what I put the mods through in these past couple of days, I am not going to ask for it.

I won't ask for a move back - but rather will repost, and hope it will stand.

Just so you know there are no hard feelings on my part - I understand how hard you guys worked to get this forum.

Cheers,
W.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110054

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110020

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110048

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110046

Moved.
Moved.
Moved.
Moved.

thanks neut ;)

Oh, I wasn't arguing with Steph, I was just saying that [violet]'s post is a little vague, and at the moment it appears as though the RPU thread belongs in Gameplay. :)
Steph Agrees with Wolfish, Spof agrees with Wolfish, You agree with Wolfish, and I (who ignorantly suggested the move) agree with Wolfish.

And I agree with Wolfish, for what that's worth.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110029
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109410
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110007

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110223

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110229

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110285
And a lock perhaps?

It's just a redirect to a storeforn thread.

Now, how do I approach Esryia about this (second or third misplaced thread), when they are my friend, via one of my puppets. . . :?

Give them a redirected link to the sticky in gameplay? There would be a certain irony. . . .

this one?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110245

Now in Tech.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110344

I think this qualifies for a move

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110344

I think this qualifies for a move
Goober?

Edit: And yes, I would agree.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109855

Is this really a Game Forum thread? Seems like it should be moved to me, not sure...

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109855

Is this really a Game Forum thread? Seems like it should be moved to me, not sure...
It's a regional recruitment thread.

. . . I think. . . :?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2499731#2499731

It seems like the only High brow RPer who has announced his intention to respect the integrity of Gameplay is Wolfish.

I wist that some others would follow his lead.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110442

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110395

i think those 2 deserve a move too..

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110442

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110395

i think those 2 deserve a move too..

Moved.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110344

I think this qualifies for a move
Goober?

Edit: And yes, I would agree.

Wasn't me.

Wasn't me.
Hmm. . .

Possbly cg, although the sentence was capitalized, so unless she was trying to mask her identity, it is somebody else. :?