Dear Mod-type people
Petworthia
19-12-2003, 11:45
Exuse me for asking... but did Beeker just get deleted? The only warning I've seen him get was in relation to the 'Invasion' a few weeks back... which I had hoped was still a topic for debate, given as a few people have written to the admin e-mail to request a reversal of the decision?
Neutered Sputniks
19-12-2003, 11:50
Yes, he was deleted. The Mods and Admin discussed the problems we've had with Beeker and decided that he has worn out his welcome on this site. As he has a dial-up account, we cannot impose an IP ban. Therefore, any nations he creates will be deleted on sight.
Petworthia
19-12-2003, 11:52
Yes, he was deleted. The Mods and Admin discussed the problems we've had with Beeker and decided that he has worn out his welcome on this site. As he has a dial-up account, we cannot impose an IP ban. Therefore, any nations he creates will be deleted on sight.
No dis-respect intended... but may we ask what it was that triggered this debate? (I'm not suggesting for a second he hasn't deserved it in the past, or that he's a saint!!)
Catholic Europe
19-12-2003, 11:53
Yes, he was deleted. The Mods and Admin discussed the problems we've had with Beeker and decided that he has worn out his welcome on this site. As he has a dial-up account, we cannot impose an IP ban. Therefore, any nations he creates will be deleted on sight.
Wow, it's that serious! :shock:
Reploid Productions
19-12-2003, 11:54
The decision was reached regarding past infractions. It just took the squad awhile to discuss it and come to a consensus. (Over a month, actually.)
~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
Neutered Sputniks
19-12-2003, 11:54
Beeker's last deletion is what caused the discussion. It was only just recently resolved with any finality.
Gaspode the Wonder Dog
19-12-2003, 11:55
Was he still causing problems? I thought he'd been very good recently.
(though i don't read all the threads obviously)
Petworthia
19-12-2003, 11:57
Beeker's last deletion is what caused the discussion. It was only just recently resolved with any finality.
Thanks for taking the time Neut.. Rep.
:(
Please lock to avoid a million and one people ranting!
Neon lights
19-12-2003, 11:58
can i ask has anyone contacted him through email, cause i know how hes gonna react to this if he isnt given a reason for it.
imported_Jet Li
19-12-2003, 11:58
Could you please define these "Problems"?
Ok, just my devalued 2c, but it seems that the main reason Beeks got deleted is just for pissing off the mods. Very few NSers wanted him gone. The mods usually do a wonderful job, and I am usually incredibly supportive of them, but the whole Beeks issue has really cast a dark cloud on the mods.
Catholic Europe
19-12-2003, 12:01
can i ask has anyone contacted him through email, cause i know how hes gonna react to this if he isnt given a reason for it.
That's probably the reason why they deleted him.
Neutered Sputniks
19-12-2003, 12:26
So, you dont think a forum ban for flaming spam, followed by the deletion of not one, but two nations for continued flaming, along with beginning a spam invasion of a forum means a player is really a bad guy...as Jessica Rabbit argued about herself: he's "just drawn that way"?
Petworthia
19-12-2003, 12:29
So, you dont think a forum ban for flaming spam, followed by the deletion of not one, but two nations for continued flaming, along with beginning a spam invasion of a forum means a player is really a bad guy...as Jessica Rabbit argued about herself: he's "just drawn that way"?
I'm not sure who that's aimed at, but I'll respond.
It's not my place to say whether it's right or wrong to delete him.. I'm just mourning the fact that (aside from the odd rant!!), he's a fun guy to have around and has brought a lot to General.
As for the Spam invasion.. well you already know my thoughts on that, but you've inplied that the 'invasion' didn't play any part in this decision, it was just caused by the number of deletions he's had?
Catholic Europe
19-12-2003, 12:30
So, you dont think a forum ban for flaming spam, followed by the deletion of not one, but two nations for continued flaming, along with beginning a spam invasion of a forum means a player is really a bad guy...as Jessica Rabbit argued about herself: he's "just drawn that way"?
I have to admit, he has commited a lot of offences that, if a player with a 'lesser profile', had commited just one of the offences they probably would've been deleted.
Petworthia
19-12-2003, 12:32
So, you dont think a forum ban for flaming spam, followed by the deletion of not one, but two nations for continued flaming, along with beginning a spam invasion of a forum means a player is really a bad guy...as Jessica Rabbit argued about herself: he's "just drawn that way"?
I have to admit, he has commited a lot of offences that, if a player with a 'lesser profile', had commited just one of the offences they probably would've been deleted.
Not quite true.. a player with a lesser profile (unless you're referring to our regular malicious spammer!!)... would get one warning, then deleted with the second.. the IP ban (if possible) would come after a few deletions... (which is effectivly what's happened here... given my understanding)
The first deletion was warranted. Noone debates that.
As for the 'spam invasion', you are still at odds with the players for that one. It is classified as a crime by the mods only.
The only time the mods have seriously gone against the players, is with the latest deletions of Beeks (and to a lesser extent, RS), and the 'invasion'.
Catholic Europe
19-12-2003, 12:34
Not quite true.. a player with a lesser profile (unless you're referring to our regular malicious spammer!!)... would get one warning, then deleted with the second.. the IP ban (if possible) would come after a few deletions... (which is effectivly what's happened here... given my understanding)
I was putting it from the point of view that he can't be IP banned, so he will just get deleted all the time.
Gaspode the Wonder Dog
19-12-2003, 12:35
Yes, he was deleted. The Mods and Admin discussed the problems we've had with Beeker and decided that he has worn out his welcome on this site. As he has a dial-up account, we cannot impose an IP ban. Therefore, any nations he creates will be deleted on sight.
curious question, Neut, if you can't impose an IP ban, if he made a new nation and just didn't identify himself as being Beeker, would you still know it was him? :?
Petworthia
19-12-2003, 12:36
Not quite true.. a player with a lesser profile (unless you're referring to our regular malicious spammer!!)... would get one warning, then deleted with the second.. the IP ban (if possible) would come after a few deletions... (which is effectivly what's happened here... given my understanding)
I was putting it from the point of view that he can't be IP banned, so he will just get deleted all the time.
Oh right.. sorry, I misunderstood!
Neutered Sputniks
19-12-2003, 12:37
Yep ;)
Petworthia
19-12-2003, 12:38
Yep ;)
Were you a Vorlon in a previous life!?! :?
You're getting more cryptic by the second!! :D
curious question, Neut, if you can't impose an IP ban, if he made a new nation and just didn't identify himself as being Beeker, would you still know it was him? :?
They can, and regularly do, IP scan nations. I've watched a mod delete puppets of a repeat offender as they were created in the past.
Goobergunchia
19-12-2003, 14:37
In that case:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105929
-Meep- == Beeker
Petworthia
19-12-2003, 14:48
In that case:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105929
-Meep- == Beeker
Hey.... no one likes a tell tale!! He's just sayin' goodbye... and seeing as the <insert some techy stuff about IP addresses> can't stop him.. the only way for him to go is voluntarily.. so why don't we let people say goodbye and then get on with our lives?
Celestial Paranoia
19-12-2003, 14:59
How can someone likes Blues Island do all he did, being deleted repititvely...still come back. But not Beeker?
Petworthia
19-12-2003, 15:22
How can someone likes Blues Island do all he did, being deleted repititvely...still come back. But not Beeker?
I thought Blues Island got IP banned?
Catholic Europe
19-12-2003, 15:25
Oh right.. sorry, I misunderstood!
That's okay, it happens all the time.
The Basenji
19-12-2003, 15:28
How can someone likes Blues Island do all he did, being deleted repititvely...still come back. But not Beeker?
I thought Blues Island got IP banned?
I wish. His new nation is "Cuneo (Sp?) Island". He has a house thread somewhere in general...
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Petworthia
19-12-2003, 15:39
Can I repeat my request for a Mod to lock this thread.. before it decends to the usual anarchy!!
(no offence intended to anyone who's already posted here!)
Collaboration
19-12-2003, 16:28
So, you dont think a forum ban for flaming spam, followed by the deletion of not one, but two nations for continued flaming, along with beginning a spam invasion of a forum means a player is really a bad guy...as Jessica Rabbit argued about herself: he's "just drawn that way"?
Not if these were all either ovvereactions on your part or in the later instances trivial ittitations unworthy of response, no.
Collaboration
19-12-2003, 16:30
How can someone likes Blues Island do all he did, being deleted repititvely...still come back. But not Beeker?
I thought Blues Island got IP banned?
I wish. His new nation is "Cuneo (Sp?) Island". He has a house thread somewhere in general...
He's just a kid who can't get the idea that we're not all video game characters here to get splattered, that's all.
Maybe if he gets some poaitive attention he'll settle down.