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I wish to report a griefing. The nation of HideOut ejected but did not unban the nation of Drockistan. Both are natives, however HideOut's endorsements come primarily from a group of invaders who installed HideOut as the delegate.

# 110 minutes ago: The Dictatorship of Drockistan departed this region for The Rejected Realms
# 110 minutes ago: The Big and mean ACC executioner of HideOut ejected The Dictatorship of Drockistan from the region.

Drockistan was aiding Fisz - the invader.

No, he wasn't. That was speculation by Corinthe. The truth is Drockistan had nothing to do with us.

Well, technically, HideOut is a native.

*continues to eat popcorn*

I said that. I also said that HideOut is only in power because of a bunch of invaders which put the nation there which HideOut commands.

Read the factbook and note the large number of nations departing...

Doesn't matter. My point still stands.

Myrth,

Are you a moderator? Why do you continue to act like one?

NonChalant asked a question of a mod. Instead of pretending, why not go assist those who have legitimate non-moderation questions that you could aid with?

Your constant unhelpful help is...unhelpful.

Myrth,

Are you a moderator? Why do you continue to act like one?

NonChalant asked a question of a mod. Instead of pretending, why not go assist those who have legitimate non-moderation questions that you could aid with?

Your constant unhelpful help is...unhelpful.

Are you a moderator, either?
MrNonChalant did not ask a question of a mod. The lack of a question mark demonstrates this rather well I think. So perhaps instead of passing unhelpful judgements, you should stay out.

Myrth,

I am not a moderator, nor do I claim to be, nor do I wish to be. I have a real job.

What I am is someone who is concerned with the fact that you cannot stay out of threads that have nothing to do with you. You couldn't when I posted a request for help - in which not only were you unhelpful, you were WRONG - and you can't now.

I'm just calling you on it.

well, myrth was in monte carlo, to wish us all luck with kicking the ACC ;)

didn't see you there, though..

(and don't you dare say this has nothing to do with me, i was there, and hideout is my friend, she's forum banned, so she can't defend herself..)

mmm, and drockistan isn't on the Monte Carlo banlist (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/page=region_control/region=monte%20carlo)

The two of you: Cut it out.

This incident will be discussed amongst the Moderators. When we have reached a decision, we will let you know.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

I am not a moderator, nor do I claim to be, nor do I wish to be. I have a real job.

added

You want to keep playing this game? :wink:

The dig wasn't at the mods. It was at Myrth.

:)

Anyway, I'm off to go corrupt the American political process some more.

Toodles.

Observed:

1 minute ago: The Big and mean ACC executioner of HideOut changed the regional password.
2 minutes ago: The Fiefdom of Gotrix Slayers arrived from New Destryer.
30 minutes ago: The Fiefdom of Gotrix Slayers tried to enter the region but did not know the password.
32 minutes ago: The Nomadic Peoples of Nowhere Particular departed this region for The East Pacific
33 minutes ago: The Rejected Brothers of Gettersburg arrived from New Destryer.
83 minutes ago: The Big and mean ACC executioner of HideOut removed The Dictatorship of Drockistan from the regional ban list.
84 minutes ago: The Big and mean ACC executioner of HideOut changed the regional password.
4 hours ago: The Dictatorship of Drockistan departed this region for The Rejected Realms
4 hours ago: The Big and mean ACC executioner of HideOut ejected The Dictatorship of Drockistan from the region.
7 hours ago: The Dark and Very Empty Void of HC Eredivisie departed this region for Holland

Hoping it may help in the evaluation of the situation, here's the list of
nations residing within Monte Carlo on December 5th (line breaks added) :

<NATIONS>mordithia:-007-:long_tall_texan:zu_darkness:babes_for_hire_admirer:
setite:klocki_lego:hideout:drockistan:rhomin:postal_dude:towarzysz_gomulka:
the_rpgamers:wes_tak_niut:qwerty_yuiop:mao_worshipers</NATIONS>

When I was delegate of Monte Carlo, I was requested to boot Drockistan. I denied doing so, as I was unable to determine conclusively whether Drockistan belonged with the invaders (I cannot blindly trust any claim from the 'other side' of the battle. I'm convinced they'll lie about this when they perceive a benefit in doing so). However, I did determine to the best of my ability that if Drockistan is a native, HideOut has IMHO an equal claim to nativity. Therefore I decided that I would regard either both natives, or both non-natives and act accordingly.

Rembrandt

HideOut does not have an equal claim as her delegate position is only there through invading endorsements. You'll note that that unban was just about the point she'd have seen or heard about this thread. Her previous communications by means of the Civil HQ were that Drockistan wasn't welcome, permanently. Furthermore there is a password on the region and I doubt very much whether Drockistan has been given it.

HideOut is attempting to solidify her position using tactics that can only be described as totalitarian. She has also affirmed clearly that she is only there due to armed intervention from forces outside the region.

[sic] added where spelling was an issue.
Bolded text added to emphasize certain points.

Okay people of Monte Carlo, here is an update.

The place is under Matial [sic] law, thus endorsements swapping is not allowed. You are only allowed to endorse me. Actually I have the region firm [sic] under control, so soldiers who have duties elswhere are free to leave. Spider is celebrating the liberation of Monte Carlo in Island Nations of Aramir, so you might stop there and drink some of their homebrew, visit their forum. I heard the waitresses there are very beautiful, and you don't have to register to see them.
All soldiers direct under control [sic] of Spider will stay here until Spider Calls [sic] them back. Every soldier that decides to stay longer, [sic] will fall under resposability of Matopis, Chief Comander of Aramir's forces. He will check if soldiers obey the rules of Matial [sic] law, and will report to me. No matter what you do wrong, the punishment is always being bannished [sic] from Monte Carlo, so if you don't wanna [sic] listen to me and you still want to return to Monte Carlo one day, this is the time to leave with your honor still intact.

I thank you all for helping me with the recapture of griefed Monte Carlo. We owe you thanks forever.

-=Hideout=-

Note she says banished, not ejected.

Not attempting to confuse the issue, just to mention though-->

The questions/comments here are:

1) Was Drockistan a native before Hideout came in? If so, what was Drockistan at the time, an invader or native? I ask this because if both were natives then she likely can kick them out with no problem. If Drockistan was in there first, and Hideout came in as an invader at that time then she cannot do so. If both were natives of equal status, natives are allowed to kick a few natives.

2) I also said that HideOut is only in power because of a bunch of invaders which put the nation there which HideOut commands. It doesn’t matter who supports her. If she is a native equal to or greater then Drock, she can likely kick him out legally. This of course is just an opinion, and is null until (and likely after) mod comment.

3) HideOut does not have an equal claim as her delegate position is only there through invading endorsements. Supporters have never been a basis for legitimacy so far, and simply as far as I am considered—it should not be considered. This would mean that any time a Defender army enters a region and props someone who was a native before the invaders, that the Del the defenders prop up would be illegitimate. This would make no sense for the game. It makes sense that an invader should be more limited in kicking folks, but not that invader or defender votes should count against the current Delegates legitmacy.


Just some comments, hoping not to stop on toes.

Truthfully, however, it would make sense that liberators not decide who a region's delegate is, but the people of the region. To this end, I'm inclined to state that supporters do indeed matter. As of right now, Hideout's supporters are not natives, and even though she may be a native, her delegacy is more likely to be considered an invader delegacy.

Before you start bashing this decision, think about it for a moment, extrapolate what this will mean for the game overall:

Nations will not be able to have their friends move to a region right after an invasion to stage a coup. Or, have their friends invade a region, and then another group of friends help them repel it, in an attempt to stage an invasion.

Moreso it means a native cannot just stage an invasion with himself as delegacy candidate and then grief the region. I mean, tomorrow if the AA got a native of, say, China in their ranks and put that native in as delegate that delegate would actually be an invasionist delegate restricted as an invader, instead of a native free to do whatever. It makes sense.

Going to post the original, then post parts of it:

Truthfully, however, it would make sense that liberators not decide who a region's delegate is, but the people of the region. To this end, I'm inclined to state that supporters do indeed matter. As of right now, Hideout's supporters are not natives, and even though she may be a native, her delegacy is more likely to be considered an invader delegacy.

Before you start bashing this decision, think about it for a moment, extrapolate what this will mean for the game overall:

Nations will not be able to have their friends move to a region right after an invasion to stage a coup. Or, have their friends invade a region, and then another group of friends help them repel it, in an attempt to stage an invasion.


Thanks for the post, you make some good points. I have no idea about nothing, but just to place some thoughts on this:


Truthfully, however, it would make sense that liberators not decide who a region's delegate is, but the people of the region.

I agree this would be nice, but I don’t see why Invader/Defender’s votes should hold special precedence in Del elections. If the majority choose communism, if the majority choose democracy, if the majority choose a republic, I feel that the power should lie in the hands of the majority, regardless of what shade they are.

Don’t get me wrong, if it is a griefer they should be taken from power. But otherwise the UN nations with the most endorsements should be in charge of the region. I agree invaders should have to hold to special rules, but I can’t see a RL argument why a native should face special scrutiny just because an invader backs them… same is true for defenders. I simply can’t see why they should hold special sway this way. Just my opinion, though.


To this end, I'm inclined to state that supporters do indeed matter. As of right now, Hideout's supporters are not natives, and even though she may be a native, her delegacy is more likely to be considered an invader delegacy. [/quote]


This seems accurate. Your ruling on this would be a precedence, though. And, just so it is out thereà this would be a negative to defenders far more then to invaders.

Oh boy...

Currently, it is normal for defenders (just invaders witha different agenda, ofcourse) to prop up a sitting delegate to prevent that delegate from being overtaken by invaders. Considering the nature of endorsements in determining the nativity of the nation receiving those endorsements has as side-effect that a native delegate would become an invading delegate when outside help is used to defend against an outside invasion. I don't know about you, but I see this as a problem.

I'd also like to object to the manner in which this issue is being raised here: MrNonchalants objections are focussed on the form of government chosen being totalitarian. As we all know, Francos Spain did the same thing earlier and was backed in having the freedom to make that choice by the mods. Now Corinthe makes the same choice and all of a sudden it's a problem for gameplay that needs addressing, even to the point of making yet another major overhaul of the rules on native status and powers (three in a row now, all going against Corinthe... I detect a theme here).

Rembrandt

I think you're missing the point.


Ackbar: Yes, it matters a lot. What you're arguing is that it's ok for invaders to take a region, as long as the nation who they decide to have as delegate is a native of that region. In other words, invaders arent invaders if they can get a puppet to sit in a region long enough to be considered native and then have their friends come to the region and prop them up. See a problem here? I do.


Rembrandt: Woah, there's a difference between Francos and Corinthe. Francos was not propped up by outsiders, his endorsements come from true Pacific dwellers. The people of the region should deteremine who leads the region after an invasion has been thwarted. Not the group of outsiders who helped thwart the invasion. Essentially, you're asking that it be alright for (just an example here) the U.S. to wait for another nation to invade Cuba, after which, the US could step in to aid in the defense of Cuba, and then when the invasion is thwarted, the US could appoint whomever they decide as the new leader of Cuba - but because the new leader they chose was some guy off the street in Cuba, it's ok. As for the argument that the people of the Pacific dont choose Francos, well, there's what, 6000+ nations in The Pacific. If they dont like the ruler, why is he still ruling? Remeber, only 200 can be on the banlist, so that leaves, what, 5800+ nations that could assist in the overthrow. But we're not talking about The Pacific here.


Edited to remove a redundant pair of lines.

maybe it's my fever, maybe it's the headache, maybe i'll hate myself for saying this later on...

but neut is actually making sense here..

I always make sense...you just dont always agree with it ;)

lol, nope, but it's okay to disagree with each other, as long as it's kept civil, right? ;)

In other words, invaders arent invaders if they can get a puppet to sit in a region long enough to be considered native and then have their friends come to the region and prop them up. See a problem here? I do.

As do I. But I ALSO see a problem with your swing to the total opposite of ruling a native to be regarded an invader if endorsed by (a majority of) outsiders. That makes defensive interventions as good as impossible, as the side effect would be that whatever native is supported suddenly becomes an invader in its own region.

Please note that while you're very up on 'intent', you've abandoned that entirely this time as it wouldn't allow a ruling against Corinthe. It should be obvious that Corinthe didn't have the intention of becoming delegate when moving to Monte Carlo. This intention wasn't expressed to me until after I became delegate there and she regarded it as an option. It wasn't my initial intention either, as I had no idea in what state the region would be in by the time I would become delegate (not even sure whether I'd become the delegate, as battles can be lost too). Normal practice for me is to kick out invaders, paslock the region, hand out the password to the natives, and leave to let them figure out leadership in peace and quiet amongst themselves. Since an active native volunteered, I instead left the region. Corinthe did have (and has) some friends from outside the region to help her in gaining/maintaining the delegacy. That *IS* a possibility even in normal politicking without a prior invasion, you know.

For the record: Corinthe does not belong to any organization I am a part of. She is not a region member of my home region, though she does reside there as a guest. There was no advance plan, not for the ousting of the ACC I lead, nor for carrying the delegacy over to HideOut. I am not aware of any plan which involved HideOut moving to Monte Carlo in order to gain delegacy (or for any other purpose for that matter). I was not aware HideOut was Corinthe's puppet nation until the issue of repeated ejections by Fisz came up in this forum.

As far as your lecture on The Pacific in response to me, I'll refrain from responding to it as it has nothing to do with this case, other than noting that when I mentioned The Pacific it was solely in reference to MrNonchalants comments implying totalitarian rule would not be an acceptable form of Government.

Last item I should mention: I'd like to be able to just play the game in a competitive fashion. As such I've spent a lot of effort following the various rulings to ensure that I'm not only following the rules to the letter, but also play within the spirit of the game.
I find it very disheartening to see a mod bend the technical rules of the game in such a fashion that it violates the spirit of the game. Specifically the ruling that a native who repeatedly return to its home region (when being repeatedly kicked out by an invader) is in fact guilty of spamming, thus totally undermining the general concepts that a region belongs to the natives and that a native is free to return to its home region, was a major jawdropper to me. That in the past week alone three such rulings were made, and all three were made against Corinthe, by the same Mod, is something that goes IMHO well beyond a casual erronous ruling or mere coincidence.

Rembrandt

To answer your false accusations that I'm showing bias against Corinthe, let me put it this way:

Corinthe was spamming the regional happenings. Plain and simple. She repeatedly, and with very little time between, attempted to enter the region - admittedly only to irritate Fisz. Sounds like griefing/spamming to me.

Lessee. Corinthe is being endorsed by non-natives. That means that she's not truly a native delegate - if she was, the natives would have been supporting her, not the non-natives. Am I the only one to whom this makes sense?

And the 3rd ruling? Oh, that Fisz was not griefing Corinthe? Well, in all honesty, she didnt exactly bring both sides of the story up front. It seems that Corinthe was creating a disturbance, at which point Fisz, as is his right, ejected Corinthe, who immediately claimed to have been griefed, and, well, it just went downhill from there.

To respond to your cop-outs, let me put it this way (copying your own wording on purpose, so you're being addressed in the same manner you address others) :

Fisz was spamming the regional happenings. Plain and simple. He repeatedly, and with very little time between, attempted to eject - admittedly only to irritate Corinthe. Sounds like griefing/spamming to me.
(additional note: Corinthe never admitted to having the goal of irritating Fisz by returning to the region. You just made that up right now. However, as pointed out to you numerous times, Fisz DID admit to repeatedly eject Corinthe not out of a tactical purpose but just to humiliate her. You conveniently keep overlooking this as it doesn't fit your purposes.)

Lessee. Corinthe's nation HideOut is a native. She called in outside help in response to having her home region invaded. This doesn't make her an invader of her own home region, just a native taking control of her home region. Am I the only one to whom this makes sense?
(additional note: while in a recent previous ruling you declared that the intent of a person joining a region was all that mattered (in case: if Nothingg had moved a puppet into Monte Carlo during the invasion with the later declared intent of it staying there it would've retro-actively been declared a native, and any action taken against it declared illegal) you conveniently abandon that principle here and declare any intent Corinthe had is null and void, and you look purely at whom is endorsing her UN nation. This really gives me the impression you're just picking a reasoning to support whatever conclusion needed to support your own agenda)

And the 3rd ruling? Oh, that Fisz was not griefing Corinthe? Well, in all honesty, Fisz didn't exactly bring both sides of the story up front. It seems Fisz was creating a disturbance by banning Corinthe, which is NOT his right, and not unbanning her until she complained about it. Corinthe reported to have been griefed by Fisz which was ignored. Well, it just went downhill from there.
(additional note: sending a user a note saying "well, you're not banned anymore now" and not addressing the griefing behaviour is ignoring the actual complaint. Corinthe went back and forth with Fisz several times before there was actual mod attention to see what Fisz was doing. Corinthe's complaint was being dismissed from the start. Fisz eventually admitted to griefing ALL the natives by not handing out the password, and got deleted by a different mod who apparently WAS paying attention to stuff like that.)

Rembrandt

Fisz was spamming the regional happenings. Plain and simple. He repeatedly, and with very little time between, attempted to eject - admittedly only to irritate Corinthe. Sounds like griefing/spamming to me.
(additional note: Corinthe never admitted to having the goal of irritating Fisz by returning to the region. You just made that up right now. However, as pointed out to you numerous times, Fisz DID admit to repeatedly eject Corinthe not out of a tactical purpose but just to humiliate her. You conveniently keep overlooking this as it doesn't fit your purposes.)
If she knew she'd just be kicked why did she keep trying to come back? The answer is because she wanted to annoy Fisz. Fisz had a legitamite reason for ejecting Corinthe, so his actions weren't spam.
Lessee. Corinthe's nation HideOut is a native. She called in outside help in response to having her home region invaded. This doesn't make her an invader of her own home region, just a native taking control of her home region. Am I the only one to whom this makes sense?
Yes to the question, no to your point. She's not in power over the will of her home region. She's in power because a bunch of out-region people she knows put her there. That's invasion, plain and simple.
And the 3rd ruling? Oh, that Fisz was not griefing Corinthe? Well, in all honesty, Fisz didn't exactly bring both sides of the story up front. It seems Fisz was creating a disturbance by banning Corinthe, which is NOT his right, and not unbanning her until she complained about it. Corinthe reported to have been griefed by Fisz which was ignored. Well, it just went downhill from there.
As far as I know Fisz unbanned her promptly. Otherwise how could have she re-entered the region so quickly?

Furthermore your mocking use of style is right next to flamebait.

There's another demention to this. HideOut had clear motives for banishing Drockistan as Drockistan would be UN delegate right now instead of HideOut. His endorsements were all native and above three. Hers are currently foreign and below 3.

Also it's very annoying when you make posts as a puppet so people won't know who you really are.

Also it's very annoying when you make posts as a puppet so people won't know who you really are.

I agree. And, although it would appear there are a good number of people upset with my actions, there's really quite a few less...

Use of puppets in this forum to push a point is not wise.

Also it's very annoying when you make posts as a puppet so people won't know who you really are.
I agree. And, although it would appear there are a good number of people upset with my actions, there's really quite a few less...
Use of puppets in this forum to push a point is not wise.

I got involved in the Monte Carlo issue under this nations' name, and as such am presenting my case here under this name. For the rest I regard the above comments as a diversion to have an excuse to not counter my arguments with actual arguments of your own. You are not responding to the content of this case, but instead have chosen to complain about form. Compare this to someone who reaches for comments on spelling to pretend to be 'right'.

Rembrandt

More like:

Your arguments have already been countered. You began this issue using your other, more popular nomiker, not this one.

You, sir, are beginning to push a little too much. I've already explained my reasoning - whether you agree or not, you refuse to allow that I have responded to your "points." Remember kids, "no" is still an answer.

Your arguments have already been countered. You began this issue using your other, more popular nomiker, not this one.

If you regard your repeating your previous rulings against Corinthe as 'countering arguments', sure. But actually you haven't even started to address my objections. Please read my comments in this thread, and read your response. My arguments are being ignored, not countered.

Please read this thread. Or the other one. I've begun arguing this under this name, and have not posted in these threads under my 'more popular moniker' at all. For reasons stated above.

You, sir, are beginning to push a little too much. I've already explained my reasoning - whether you agree or not, you refuse to allow that I have responded to your "points." Remember kids, "no" is still an answer.

Agreed, no is a very valid answer. Your refusal to consider my objections is an answer too. I would prefer however that you would simply be honest and admit that you're not considering anything instead of you pretending that you're addressing the issue when you're not. I have no problem with a mod who simply says "to hell with all you feeble mortals, I AM the law". I do have a problem with a mod who has that attitude yet attempts to mask it by pretending to engage in discussion. The latter gives a false impression, and may lead to erronous user behaviour (like: arguing a case when there's really no point in even raising an issue to begin with).

Rembrandt

I see you've locked the other thread because it became 'circular'.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105150

Flaw in that statement is that you've barely addressed the topic of that thread. It can't be circular if you don't present the other half of the circle.

But, I see where this is going. I made the mistake thinking logical reasoning would lead to a reconsideration of the game-subversing anti-Corinthe rulings. Since you're not willing to even listen, and no other mod seems inclined to ponder over this issue either, any attempt to reason seems flawed in its very concept.

I suggest you just lock this thread as well.

Rembrandt

Please note that the population of Monte Carlo has gone down from 32 nations to 11. That means 65.6% of the region has either been ejected or left. If even half of those were ejected I think we have a clear case of massive griefing.

I should mention that the amount of natives slipped from eight to one during Corinthe's reign... :roll:

I know the MODs would know these figures better than anyone else, but before the so called invasion in Monte Carlo, how many nations were there on the average? What was the peak population during the invasion and the current one. Using the peak population during an invasion is not fair compared to the ending population. Should be using the before and after, but when is before and when is after. In these judgement calls, I'd hate to be a MOD.

If a native delegate with one native endorsement is supported by any number of defenders against a hostile delegate hopeful, an invader, would both groups be considered invaders, including the former delegate? Or the newly installed delegate (a native for argument) if the old delegate was inactive, be considered as an invader? Or one of the defenders who becomes delegate to repell the invasion forces?

When is any defender action not considered an invasion?

Ackbar: Yes, it matters a lot. What you're arguing is that it's ok for invaders to take a region, as long as the nation who they decide to have as delegate is a native of that region. In other words, invaders arent invaders if they can get a puppet to sit in a region long enough to be considered native and then have their friends come to the region and prop them up. See a problem here? I do.



Totaly cool, I would have been fine either way this one went. But, since i was trying to add a level of defence to the anti-invaders, I am more then fine with this ruling (not that it matters to you how I feel, I am sure, just wanted to thank you for the response)

Please note that the population of Monte Carlo has gone down from 32 nations to 11. That means 65.6% of the region has either been ejected or left. If even half of those were ejected I think we have a clear case of massive griefing.

Oh please. Corinthe had 20+ puppets in there, and they all moved back to where they originally came from.

Rembrandt

Please note that the population of Monte Carlo has gone down from 32 nations to 11. That means 65.6% of the region has either been ejected or left. If even half of those were ejected I think we have a clear case of massive griefing.

Oh please. Corinthe had 20+ puppets in there, and they all moved back to where they originally came from.

Rembrandt

In addition, the native population has been leaving steadily ever since the Founder got deleted, well before either invasion.

Humph.

2 hours ago: The Immigrant Scur of Mammothistan departed this region for The Rejected Realms
2 hours ago: The ACC members are afraid of HideOut ejected The Immigrant Scur of Mammothistan from the region.
2 hours ago: The Immigrant Scur of Mammothistan arrived from The Pacific.

I was a native of the region a couple months ago, and in fact I was delegate, but a coup happened and I was booted to the Rejected Realms. This is documented to be true. After that I took up residency in the Pacific.

When I had heard about all the debate over who or what is still on the banlist, I ckecked it to see if I was still on it. I was not. I wanted to return to my region. So I did.

I posted on the region forum that I am a native of the region who'd like to return him. Then shortly enough after that to be considered part of the same "hour", she bans me and has not unbanned me despite what the rules say.

phew This looked like some disscustion..

It was. If you're interested, you could check out the other 5 threads on this subject.

Now if I could only get back to my region.... :sigh:

funny..

i wonder if it's coincidence..

What do you mean, crazy girl?

That Corinthe was running Monte Carlo just like Francos was running The Pacific? Or some other coincidence?

That Corinthe was running Monte Carlo just like Francos was running The Pacific? Or some other coincidence?

It's funny cuz it's true.

/Homer

That Corinthe was running Monte Carlo just like Francos was running The Pacific? Or some other coincidence?
"When you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back,
She who spends too much time fighting monsters will become a monster herself."
--Friedrich Nietzsche

Man makes a beast of himself to avoid the pain of being a man.

Next

Man...I wish I had somethin cool to say like you guys...

Or you could just pick a quote from the attic of your head and vomit it onto the boards like we do. Why tax those grey cells.

I am amazed at all the attention Monte Carlo has recieved lately. Pretty special place huh. :twisted:

Nah. Just a pretty bitter place. It's famous for this kind of stuff. Oh, and what's the ruling with Mammothistan?

I'd say he was gone too long to be a native. He'd established himself in another region after the initial invasion.




I'd like to point out the irony of how Corinthe runs the region in much the same way as her self-proclaimed enemy Francos runs The Pacific...

I'd like to point out the irony of how Corinthe runs the region in much the same way as her self-proclaimed enemy Francos runs The Pacific...

/me checks "The Pacific".

Hmmm.... He's turned over the Delegacy to his ally, "Poskrebyshev".

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

Hmmm.... He's turned over the Delegacy to his ally, "Poskrebyshev".

Posk is a weirder, scarier version of Francos.

yep, his banning habits are even worse..

almost makes you wish franky came back.....almost ;)

Franky just wants to be loved.

Sounds like Mr Nonchalant is a little envious of Monte Carlo seeing that it was never a bitter place until Babes was unjustly deleted

Posk is a weirder, scarier version of Francos. Nah, Posk is a great guy, really ;) Just like the rest of the pacific government :lol:


*wonders how Monte Carlo turned into the Pacific... they're not at all the same... Posk has more than 3 endorsements 8)*

Posk is a weirder, scarier version of Francos. Nah, Posk is a great guy, really ;) Just like the rest of the pacific government :lol:


*wonders how Monte Carlo turned into the Pacific... they're not at all the same... Posk has more than 3 endorsements 8)*


goes looking back, finds this :



I'd like to point out the irony of how Corinthe runs the region in much the same way as her self-proclaimed enemy Francos runs The Pacific...

blame the mod ;)

Heh- it's not original with him - everyone who doesn't like Cor is looking for any and every excuse to critisise her (only this time, it's kinda justified).

Still, it is a bit off topic. Monte Carlo is not being griefed, so, shouldn't this thread be over with by now? Just a thought ;)

Are you accusing me of being biased against Corinthe?

No need to assume the sole purpose of everybody and their mother is to make accusations of you.

I don't talk with you at all, so by "everyone who doesn't like Cor" I was referring to the people I do know and talk to - there's a lot of them.

And how did you know I am a "she"? I'm not such a troublemaker that you know me well, am I? :(

huh?

where did he say you're a she?