NationStates Jolt Archive

Say I was to try to take over over a region thats big, 110+, I move my U.N nation in and then I move say 10 puppets in to mask the movements at diffrent times like 10 minutes apart, would that be considered spamming the regional happenings? I was told on MiRc it was legal by MU but I want confirmation.

This is a Moderation issue not a Tech issue ;)

Although the intents of you moving your puppets in would be to hide the actions of your UN nation, and not malicious, the important information of what's happening with the region would be lost.

But then again, if you wanted to move all your puppets into a single region at once this would not be illegal. Ooh...tough call here. :o

I think that your intent is the important fact here. If you have the intent of clearing the regional happenings, then I would think it to be Spam. But if you’re just moving your puppets into a region to live there, it's not Spam.

And yes, ModAlert- Technical ---(Move to)---> Moderation

*Summons a mod to answer the question...* :P

Although the intents of you moving your puppets in would be to hide the actions of your UN nation, and not malicious, the important information of what's happening with the region would be lost.

But then again, if you wanted to move all your puppets into a single region at once this would not be illegal. Ooh...tough call here. :o

I think that your intent is the important fact here. If you have the intent of clearing the regional happenings, then I would think it to be Spam. But if you’re just moving your puppets into a region to live there, it's not Spam.

And yes, ModAlert- Technical ---(Move to)---> Moderation

*Summons a mod to answer the question...* :P

not like you did or anything :roll:

Hey SB, get off my back. I'm tired of you calling me a mod wannabe and making side comments about what I say. I'm trying to help out, and I was sharing my opinion on the matter.

I didn't ask for or want your opinion. Don't give it.

Preliminary opinion by a mod who doesn't deal with griefing/regional politics very much (so don't take this as gospel truth):

Moving puppets into and out of regions in order to disguise what's going on is a form of spam. It's a tactic many griefers have used (either alliances or single-player-multis), so if you do this then be prepared to be called a griefer based solely on that evidence.
As far as "intent" goes, I'm sure there would be circumstances in which (for regional-political reasons) you'd want to disguise your entry to a particular region. I won't go as far as to say "this looks suspicious that you need to do all this", since every time I say as much in relation to regional politics I'm always told that "there are more things in Heaven and earth, Enodia". From my own point of view, the question is whether or not it's actually necessary to do all of this subterfuge. That said, I wouldn't be the mod actually dealing with this if people cry griefer, so don't take what I've posted as the truth or the law.

A couple of asides, just opinions and feelings first:

Although the intents of you moving your puppets in would be to hide the actions of your UN nation, and not malicious, the important information of what's happening with the region would be lost.

But then again, if you wanted to move all your puppets into a single region at once this would not be illegal. Ooh...tough call here. :o

I think that your intent is the important fact here. If you have the intent of clearing the regional happenings, then I would think it to be Spam. But if you’re just moving your puppets into a region to live there, it's not Spam.

And yes, ModAlert- Technical ---(Move to)---> Moderation

*Summons a mod to answer the question...* :P

not like you did or anything :roll:

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Hey SB, get off my back. I'm tired of you calling me a mod wannabe and making side comments about what I say. I'm trying to help out, and I was sharing my opinion on the matter.

I didn't ask for or want your opinion. Don't give it.

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While I understand why you feel this way Bas, if you feel that SB is flaming you or anything else just report it to a mod. I understand the frustration of having someone often pick on you (if that is the case, not taking a side, just responding to what is written), just don’t want this to come to an issue of you having to be moderated over someone else. I don’t think you responded bad, B, just making an observation to be sure that it never escalates to you reacting in a way you don’t want. Just be cool, and if another player does something to anger them, place it on them- don’t take any flack or potential flack onto yourself.

Preliminary opinion by a mod who doesn't deal with griefing/regional politics very much (so don't take this as gospel truth):

Moving puppets into and out of regions in order to disguise what's going on is a form of spam. It's a tactic many griefers have used (either alliances or single-player-multis), so if you do this then be prepared to be called a griefer based solely on that evidence.
As far as "intent" goes, I'm sure there would be circumstances in which (for regional-political reasons) you'd want to disguise your entry to a particular region. I won't go as far as to say "this looks suspicious that you need to do all this", since every time I say as much in relation to regional politics I'm always told that "there are more things in Heaven and earth, Enodia". From my own point of view, the question is whether or not it's actually necessary to do all of this subterfuge. That said, I wouldn't be the mod actually dealing with this if people cry griefer, so don't take what I've posted as the truth or the law.

This looks consistent with what has been posted by those mods who would deal with such situations.

But would it be illegal just to move all of your puppets into a region but not moving out to hide the movements of your U.N puppet? Melkor on MIrc I think said that it was low but it wasn't griefing?? But I can't be sure.

But would it be illegal just to move all of your puppets into a region but not moving out to hide the movements of your U.N puppet? Melkor on MIrc I think said that it was low but it wasn't griefing?? But I can't be sure.

It is a against the rules to move all of your puppets just to spam the regional happenings board. Simple enough. As to the nuances of what is allowed or not, stick with the knowledge that if you are doing this to cover your tracks, or that the mods determine this is why you are doing it, you will be in trouble. Unless you plan on using all of your puppets (and maybe even if you do) you likely shoudl stick to just moving your main nation in.

Or, if you want puppets in there as well, maybe a coupel of puppets won't get you in trouble,

The thing isif you move 15 nations into a region , be rpepared to look suspicious, and likely they will investigate to guess your intent if it is not obvious.

And if I only move 1 puppet in?

You should be fine. If you have 5 people moving UN + puppet, it might be suspicious, but just your one puppet nation there should be no problem.

Sure. One puppet moving in plus you moving in just makes two events, and it's fine, as long as both aren't in the UN.

*does the "I know who your UN puppet is" dance*

--Scolo