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I can't even count the number of times I've posted a topic that either stated a problem or asked a question to the mods and had some "mod wanna-be" throw their $.2 in. I find it extremely annoying when a player posts either a technical question or a question that only the mods can answer only to have several people try to answer it for them. Look people, the reason certain topics are posted is because we want a response from the mods or Salusa. I also think it's annoying when a mod and a player are discussing something, and somebody jumps in like they know everything.

I think there needs to be something done about all these mod wanna-be's we've got.

EDIT: And yes, I want this addressed by mods only. :x

Cannot, , resist, , urge , , to post.

actually, the folks who post here are jsut tryi8ng ot be helpful or supportive, dont mind them it will give you a coronary, or something, like cirossis of the liver,

Automag. how do you think new mods are found?

Automag, we've been trying to get that across for a long time. Unfortunately, those mod-wannabes, as you refer to them, fail to realize how annoying it can be for those looking for a Mod response. Nor do they realize the confusion they cause by posting erroneous information.

Automag, there aren't enough mods for only them to answer questions and a lot of mods don't post on the forums a lot of the time anyway, and how are mods picked out, because they are helpful in the forums, that is obvious isn't it?

Emperor Matthuis

looks at the stats.. laughs and adds her 2% of a dollar.

every time i've asked a question, i have never expected it to be answered by a mod. the only time i actually expect a mod answer is when i end up tging them. generally i've found the answers to be really really helpful and for the most part accurate.

*runs before neut can hit the deet button* :lol:

Automag, we've been trying to get that across for a long time. Unfortunately, those mod-wannabes, as you refer to them, fail to realize how annoying it can be for those looking for a Mod response. Nor do they realize the confusion they cause by posting erroneous information.

Exactly, thank you Neut. I'm not going to name names, but there are alot of people who post in various topics (especially technical questions) trying to solve the problem themselves. I do agreee that it causes confusion.

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actually, the folks who post here are jsut tryi8ng ot be helpful or supportive, dont mind them it will give you a coronary, or something, like cirossis of the liver,

There is a difference between an occassional helpful post (IE: Newb asking how to post pics) and trying to do a mods's job (IE: major game glitch, etc.).


Automag. how do you think new mods are found?

I personally believe that frequent "mod wanna-be-ing" will only hurt your chances. I do believe that Melkor said that asking to be a mod will only hurt your chances, so why shouldn't acting like a mod do the same?

Just to clarify why peeps are being mod-wannabes:

How do I become a Moderator?

If you make helpful posts in Moderation, Technical, and anywhere else help is needed, the Mods will notice you. If you're kind, helpful, and level-headed, you may have what it takes to be a mod. When new mods are needed, you may be asked to become a Forum Mod.

The mods have already warned people for posting in threads that only mods can answer...
(Why was ___ deleted? etc.)

Automag. how do you think new mods are found?

I personally believe that frequent "mod wanna-be-ing" will only hurt your chances. I do believe that Melkor said that asking to be a mod will only hurt your chances, so why shouldn't acting like a mod do the same?Its not really acting like a mod, its trying to help people. If you don't want a non-mod to reply, just post something to that extent at the start of the thread.

Its not really acting like a mod, its trying to help people. If you don't want a non-mod to reply, just post something to that extent at the start of the thread.

But there is a difference between trying to help somebody and trying to do a mods job. And BTW, I have seen/posted threads that specifically ask for a mods only response, and seen about a page worth of posts by non-mods.


Just to clarify why peeps are being mod-wannabes:




If you make helpful posts in Moderation, Technical, and anywhere else help is needed, the Mods will notice you. If you're kind, helpful, and level-headed, you may have what it takes to be a mod. When new mods are needed, you may be asked to become a Forum Mod.

Again, there is a difference between being helpful and posting your $.2 in almost every thread that surfaces in Moderation/Technical. I've seen it happen, and regardless of the fact that "helping" out often will get you noticed, I highly doubt it will better your chances of being a mod.

If that was the case, I'd post only in Moderation/Technical. Then I'd have to be a mod, right? :roll:

ok, your point now makes sense Auto-mag. Appologies for defying your note at the top of the page.

ok, your point now makes sense Auto-mag. Appologies for defying your note at the top of the page.

No harm, no foul. BTW, I edited that in seconds after posting this thread. Call it...an experiment.

*thinks further about re-working Basenji's post about mods*

*thinks further about re-working Basenji's post about mods*

Hmmm...Basenji...the "Non-moderator" as he calls himself :roll:

I believe someone started an IRC channel dedicated to this subject earlier today...which is why it is extremely ironic AMF brought it up this evening.

#NS_Mod_Wannabes

:wink:

The mods have already warned people for posting in threads that only mods can answer...
(Why was ___ deleted? etc.)

Well, that's certainly a relief.

I believe someone started an IRC channel dedicated to this subject earlier today...which is why it is extremely ironic AMF brought it up this evening.

#NS_Mod_Wannabes

:wink:

I haven't been on IRC in months.

You should log on some time and we'll have a chat! It's actually quite entertaining these days. :)

#NationStates_General is the best channel. We have lots of fun there. :D

I’ve never been accused of being one of these, so I seriously doubt that this is anyway an indictment against me-- don't think I really even could be called this earnestly, but then again I know very little. That said, I do post on a lot of Tech and Mod threads. And I try to be selective about threads 1) I know something about and 2) I can be helpful on. The accusation against the mod-wanna-bes is understand, and I agree it can be obnoxious. That said, debate has really progressed this game to a large degree.

IF we shut down people ability to post in these forums, I don’t know if the benefit of not having posts by a few you don’t like (oversimplifying, I know) well outweigh of cutting off the community voice to official issues.

I agree this is an issue, tho likely one best dealt with from time to time as they occur.

Personally, I find a much greater issue (or at least as important of one) is Wana-be veterans, i.e. New players fresh from being a Noob, who chooses to give inaccurate advice or opinions on the forums.

Ackbar,

It's not that we (those who don't like the mod-wannabees) don't want anyone to post their opinions. But when those people continue to pop into threads where they continue to post unwanted, unnecessary, and often wrong advice, we get angry.

During the recent unpleasantness surrounding one of my states, we had two constant mod-wannabees in our thread, arguing and clouding the issue. Oddly enough, I've not received a single apology, or even acknowledgement that I was in the right from either of them.

Anyway, I think it best that if a player requests help from the mods, the mods be the ones who respond. Not the wannabees. There are other places where mod attention is not needed but help can be given where these players can "make their mark".

Frankly, if either of the two mod-wannabees from our former thread get promoted, I'm going to be very upset.

I don't give advice on things i don't know about so i've never been called stupid or whatever i just have a look for things about the game itself and i understand your point that when people come in telling you stuff that is wrong it does get on your nerves but how could you stop it?

*applause*

(for AMF)

The mods have already warned people for posting in threads that only mods can answer...
(Why was ___ deleted? etc.)they posted the reason in my region for a fellow nation's (the new russian Czar) deletion. i was able to answer that one...

Lets put it this way:

AMF asked in his first post that no one but Mods reply to this thread. So far, there have been a grand total of 2-3 Mod responses in 1 1/2 pages of posts. Get the point?


I'd also like to point out that making helpful posts and attempting to make rulings are two entirely different things. I can make thousands of helpful posts and never once take the place of a Mod on a ruling. It's quite easy, someone asks what griefing is, you respond with a short little post describing griefing. That's helpful, and the question does not require a Mod response. However, giving out information as if it's the biblical truth becomes a problem.

Take our example of the question: what is griefing?

A good, non-Mod response would be: Any action that is taken expressly to upset/irritate another player.
Citing examples might indeed be worthy, but only if done with a slight disclaimer such as: These are only examples, and are not all inclusive. Each case is different, and is viewed as such by the Mods when responding to accusations of griefing.




btw, just a side note: The mods do recognize when players are doing this "mod wanna-be" thing as it's being referred to. It's generally not a good thing for Mod hopefulls to do. We prefer candidates that are helpful in a manner similar to that which I posted, not those players that assume authority on the matter in their posts.

/me remembers from way-back-when... say, about August:

DISCLAIMER: I am only an ordinary player and the above information may be inaccurate. Any contradictory information posted by a NationStates Moderator or Administrator, or by SalusaSecondus, the Tech Modling, supercedes this post.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

/Me has been called a mod-wanna-be many times. :(

<---- pulls out his old Moderation forum sig and wipes the dust off it

~Goobergunchia
Non-Moderator

I did have something like this, but someone ( :evil: ) decided to taunt me unmercifully about being a "Non-Mod", so I just avoid the whole thing.

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actually, the folks who post here are jsut tryi8ng ot be helpful or supportive, dont mind them it will give you a coronary, or something, like cirossis of the liver,

Why cirosis? That's caused by scaring.......could it be because he suppreses the pain of the wanna-be's with some hard liquor?

And even after my post, people other than Mods continue to post in a thread where the author specifically asked for only Mod responses...

And even after my post, people other than Mods continue to post in a thread where the author specifically asked for only Mod responses...

Which further proves my/your/our point.

as cog pointed out to me in one thread i made...

asking for a limitation on responses of any kind is only asking for it.
:lol: which is why i posted what i did the first time.


*is a teacher so has had extensive practice with those kinds of kids... don't ask for it guys*

*not a moderator; just someone who reads this forum way way too much*

as cog pointed out to me in one thread i made...

asking for a limitation on responses of any kind is only asking for it.
:lol: which is why i posted what i did the first time.

I guess you could say the same thing for threads that list explicit material in the title. The warning has been put there, but there will still be people who look, even if they are disgusted by adult material. Same thing goes for this thread I guess. I asked for a mods only response, and so far a mod accounts for like 2 or 3 posts.

Well, I'd rather have hordes 'mod wannabes' then hordes of jackasses posting goatse and such. This just shows that there are many people who want to help.


PS. Silly Gaijin, two cents is $.02, not $.2

PS. Silly Gaijin, two cents is $.02, not $.2

Whatever. That's not the point of this thread. I guess I have to make my point more apparent:

I WANT THIS ADDRESSED BY MODS ONLY.

No offense, it's just that my wishes are not being respected.

And, as you can tell, here's where we run into problems. The person who created this thread asking for Mod assistance has become frustrated because no one is respecting their wishes in attempts to "help."

It's not helpful for players to post where they're asked not to post, nor is it helpful for those players to speculate (as they often do), and most definately it is not helpful for players to "hijack" a thread such as this with their banter and conversations.

If you want to converse, visit General. If you're not a Mod, dont respond to a thread wherein a Mod's action/response is necessary.

Is this really so difficult to grasp?

Is this really so difficult to grasp?

Was that a rhetorical question?







:P