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The player who controls Crazygirl has been puppeteering in the Pacific for some months now. Scarcely a day goes by where she doesn't move at least one of her (self stated) hundred+ nations into the Pacific, posts an irritating message on the regional board, then sits back and waits to be booted (even sending me a mocking telegram every once in a while.) Now, granted her spamming has been done in moderation, but she, I would surmise, is the biggest single annoyance to all residents of the Pacific (and by that, I do mean all residents; not just myself and those supporting our government.) Today I see that she's decided to move all her puppets into the region en masse. From what various sources I could track down, I've compiled an incomplete list of at least 51 of these, as follows:

Aideen
Big bad rat
Cama
Cardea
Cholena
Crazy Ant
Crazy dog
Crazy girl2
Crazy hamsters
Crazy me
Crazy Soul
Crazygirl4
Crazygirls
Cute Puppy
Dark Princess
Donoma
Dream weaver
Dsk
Duketown
Evadne
Hamsterilla
Interface
Jemma
Jocasta
Lady chelsea
Lady daisy
Latanya
Little cat
Little crazy girl
Little goblins
Mjnw, Myeisha
Orenda
Padma
Palila
Queen of the nile
Salali
Sanura
Scylla and Charybdis
Sir Mikey
Sokanon
Takoda
Tanginika
Tarika
Teigra
The MDDP
Throwrugs
Triple M
Wolfrider
Ziazan
Zoete Lieve Gerritje
Zonta.

Throughout the afternoon, she used many of these puppets to make several different comments on the regional board, making no secret of her identity and practically taunting me to boot her because she knew that I knew that another puppet would be just around the corner. The Pacific Army's latest plan (which can be read quite openly on the public boards of their forum) is to send non-UN puppets into the Pacific and have me boot them so that (supposedly) this will remove a UN nation from the regional ban list, which has a 200 nation capacity. I don't want to give her the satisfaction of booting all these nations to accomplish her likely goal.

Now, I'm not sure if what she's doing constitutes a rules violation, but at the very least it's taking advantage of and exploiting the ability to create as many non-UN puppets as a player likes. Could a moderator at least informally ask this player to stop harassing our region with her puppets?

Don't kick her out, if she spams the board sh gets taken out (deleated) by a MOD.

There is nothing wrong or illegal with moving puppets into a region, it's what she does with them that matters.

Of course you could set up your own region & password it if you don't like it. I mean its only a newbie region your in & not a proper one, I can't understand why the spawn regions are allowed to have delegates in the first place.

If nations couldn't become delegates in the spawn regions they would move out.

While moving 51 nations into a region is to my knowledge not illegal, harrassment is. I'm also interested in seeing a Mod ruling on whether or not the above qualifies as such.

What is the nature of these comments?

Also, the delegate of a feeder region cannot, by the very function of the region, declare an individual not allowed into the region. There is no password setting ability, and new nations come into existance there all the time.

Ballotonia

mmm, as far as i know, i'm not spamming, and lately, i've only used my puppets for some nice conversations, and sometimes, if someone starts it, a good discussion..

and neut did say i could move as many puppets in the pacific as i want..

but if i'm not, well, then i'll just move a bunch out..

(btw, you forgot a bunch..)

and no one tells you you HAVE to kick me out..

The only thing I've ever seen Crazy girl do is hold polite conversations with the nations of the Pacific. I don't thinks she's annoying anyone other than yourself and perhaps only a few of your followers.

If you don't like her posting in the Pacific, just eject her like you have done hundreds upon hundreds of others.

well, if they do decide i have to move them all out, i have to go to work in about half an hour, so after that, gimme some time to respond, k? ;)

but so far, i've been behaving as a good little girl in the pacific with my puppets, i like them, and don't want them deleted..

CG, I noticed that one nation, Wolfrider, are you by chance a fan of the artwork of one Wendy Pini?

CG, I noticed that one nation, Wolfrider, are you by chance a fan of the artwork of one Wendy Pini?

I am :) I have almost all issues of ElfQuest 8)

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Maybe it's time for The Pacific to stop being a feeder region, to abolish the great number of puppets. Seems logical to me :D
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Hahaha

Maybe we should prohibit puppets from talking. That will teach em! :twisted:
Anyway, I considder the use of puppets, to bounce other nations off a banlist, as sound strategy, as long as puppets don't flame, spam or grief. What reason can a delegate have to eject those puppets, if they don't brake game rules?! I know Francos made some rules of his own, but he can't expect any help from mods to enforce them! I have some "puppets" of my own in The Pacific, at this right moment. I am sure that no moderator will tell me to move them out. That would be a new game rule. Something like: Players are not allowed to move puppets into a feeder region! Like if moderators don't have enough work yet, we issue a few more rules, for other players to complain about. :P
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Hey. here's an idea Francos: Stop banning people.

It's annoying but goes with the territory, neither the practice of moving hundreds of puppets into a region or the practice of indisciminate banning in a feeder region are in the spirit of the game but both seem to be allowed.

It's annoying but goes with the territory, neither the practice of moving hundreds of puppets into a region or the practice of indisciminate banning in a feeder region are in the spirit of the game but both seem to be allowed.

No, it's perfectly within the spirit of a game based on politics and political mechanations.

CG, I noticed that one nation, Wolfrider, are you by chance a fan of the artwork of one Wendy Pini?
i sure am loop, i love her drawings ;)

so i don't have to move my puppets out, as long as i behave as a good little girl?

CG, I noticed that one nation, Wolfrider, are you by chance a fan of the artwork of one Wendy Pini?
i sure am loop, i love her drawings ;)

so i don't have to move my puppets out, as long as i behave as a good little girl?

It's perfectly within the spirit of a game based on politics and political mechanations :wink:
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I'm surprised he had not included me in that list. How are we doing anyway? Nice to be doing something at least.

The only rules that we are breaking are not NationStates rules. In the rest of the game, endorsing other nations is not against the rules, nor is getting endorsements. Regional rules that are imposed by one or a small group of players within a region cannot be accepted by the game, nor enforced.

You see, this is what I mean: I come online and I see Crazy girl2 posting on the message board with nations actually asking her to stop and go away. I boot the nation, and not thirty seconds later, Crazygirl4 makes a post, derisively referring to me as "frankie," and continues irritating us. I boot that one, and again she comes back with Tiponya and doing likewise. I boot that, and now she's using the nation Aideen. She's holding the region hostage because we don't like her, she knows it, there's nothing we can do about it, and she knows that too.

And Dog Lake, for someone who was IP banned and is now accessing this site illegally, you sure do like flaunt it.

yeah, there's one nation who doesn't like it (and i have an idea on who that is..) and then of course you.
calling you franky isn't meant in a mean way, just a bad habit of me, i like making names shorter, just too lazy to type francos spain all the time ;)

there are nations who do like talking to me, and i like talking to them.
also, i'm not spamming, and not flaming, if you don't like me, fine, just ignore me, i'm not asking you to talk to me, am i?

Annoying people with a goal besides merely annoying them is probably not illegal. After all, think of the number of people you're annoying with your actions.

lol, kandarin ;)

didn't know you were on, next time a puppet comes flying by, i'll make sure to say hi (to kandarin)

Crazy is a very popular player, it's surprising that the one region she can't stay in is her own.

Annoying people with a goal besides merely annoying them is probably not illegal. After all, think of the number of people you're annoying with your actions.

You're the leader of a large region, how would you like it if it was done to you?

Annoying people with a goal besides merely annoying them is probably not illegal. After all, think of the number of people you're annoying with your actions.

You're the leader of a large region, how would you like it if it was done to you?
kandarin can't ban anyone ;)

Annoying people with a goal besides merely annoying them is probably not illegal. After all, think of the number of people you're annoying with your actions.

You're the leader of a large region, how would you like it if it was done to you?

It has been. I learn to ignore it, and eventually they go away.

I think franky should go to Hollywood...........all the dreams are there and if he thinks that a feeder region should have rules other than the NS ones hes dreaming.

I am in the Pacific also and I don't mind CG posting this stuff. I kinda like it and I think, other than what Francos is saying, that by far the most people in the Pacific couldn't give a peeeeep if CG does it like this or not. Do you have proof of your so called "fact" that everybody in the Pacific hates CG? I for one was never surveyed. Francos likes to stretch to rules as long as it is an advantage to him, now it is only fair to let CG do the same.

As long as it is within the rules of the game, anything goes. There is still a WAR going on in the Pacific, so hell yeah, they are gonna use anything they got against you. Francos running to the mods in response is kinda cowardly I think. We are playing a game here right, don't try to change or bend the rules halfway through...

Besides that, CG is one of the nicest NSplayers I know, she would never flame or spam someone, she's is the one who tells people to calm down if they are doing it. And about the terrible "Frankie-calling", she calls me stupid names all the time. Now I am not running to the Mods all crying, maybe our brave, big Pacific Leader should do the same.

I wonder if this post is going to get me banned from The Pacific...

Hmmm...
Not to mention, ever think what a few copy-and-paste puppets do to the server space on this site? For system stability, it is simply an unacceptable form of "expression." Eventually, Francos will throw out everyone who doesn't support him. Eventually, enough people will get cheesed off enough that they will get together and overthrow him. It's what happens to dictators. Scan the regional happenings for kicks and contact whoever he kicked by TG, if you feel so strongly about it. Organize a rebellion... but don't waste our server space or our time by trying to circumvent bans with cut-and-paste puppets.

We've done the same for other, less controversial delegates who had problems with people circumventing bans, and so, in all fairness, we had to do it with Francos too.

If you don't like that, I'm sorry, but tough. That's the established rules of engagement and I'm going to follow them. If you believe in your cause, then this won't stop you. (from this (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2162287#2162287) thread, emphasis added).

Granted that was a slightly different situation, but come on. Talk about wasting server space! And while CG is polite most of the time, this is a huge example of trying to circumvent a ban.

Hey. here's an idea Francos: Stop banning people.
He's not quite as bad as he is mad out to be (though I would still like to see him go, and I find his titles rather ironic). He knows that Honest Politicians is my puppet, and knows that I am (although pretty much passively, just a comment now and then he still knows it {or at least, I've twice posted it where I knew that he was watching as he replied to other posts before and after mine}) opposed to him, yet it still remains in the Pacific.

Here's the problem, as I see it. With all of these puppets essentially taking hostage of the civil HQ in the Pacific, the indigenous nations of the Pacific cannot effectively communicate on the board. Most do not even bother to communicate on the civil hq anymore because CrazyGirl or Corinthe or some other entity has decided to post their own conversations on it. Not a problem if they were in fact denizens. They and the other puppets of the "resistance" seem to flaunt the fact that they are highjacking the civil hq. Perhaps it's permitted legally in the game rules, but you should see why Francos has to keep ejecting these puppets. These actions by these puppets do not reflect the spirit of good game-playing; they are quite hostile in intent.

Here's the problem, as I see it. With all of these puppets essentially taking hostage of the civil HQ in the Pacific, the indigenous nations of the Pacific cannot effectively communicate on the board. Most do not even bother to communicate on the civil hq anymore because CrazyGirl or Corinthe or some other entity has decided to post their own conversations on it.

It's quite a stretch to imagine there being the problem of not enough communication between region members, and then proceed to blame the side you don't like for this. One could also claim there isn't enough communication because almost the entire active portion of the region was kicked out of the region by Francos Spain.

Ballotonia

Here's the problem, as I see it. With all of these puppets essentially taking hostage of the civil HQ in the Pacific, the indigenous nations of the Pacific cannot effectively communicate on the board. Most do not even bother to communicate on the civil hq anymore because CrazyGirl or Corinthe or some other entity has decided to post their own conversations on it.

It's quite a stretch to imagine there being the problem of not enough communication between region members, and then proceed to blame the side you don't like for this. One could also claim there isn't enough communication because almost the entire active portion of the region was kicked out of the region by Francos Spain.

Ballotonia

My thoughts exactly. Merely an attempt by a Franco fan to disparage the reputation of a two highly popular players who happen to be on the opposite side of himself in the epic Battle of The Pacific.

Hey. here's an idea Francos: Stop banning people.
He's not quite as bad as he is mad out to be (though I would still like to see him go, and I find his titles rather ironic). He knows that Honest Politicians is my puppet, and knows that I am (although pretty much passively, just a comment now and then he still knows it {or at least, I've twice posted it where I knew that he was watching as he replied to other posts before and after mine}) opposed to him, yet it still remains in the Pacific.

I don't have as many puppets in The Pacific, and they never troll on the civil hq. For some reason, I don't have to post at all. Eventually my puppets get spotted by them and is ejected. Francos should adopt another strategy, but for some reason he likes to eject non-UN nation just as much as endorsement swapping invaders. I wonder when he will find out what he's doing wrong. He got his strategy completely screwed up :twisted:
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Here's the problem, as I see it. With all of these puppets essentially taking hostage of the civil HQ in the Pacific, the indigenous nations of the Pacific cannot effectively communicate on the board. Most do not even bother to communicate on the civil hq anymore because CrazyGirl or Corinthe or some other entity has decided to post their own conversations on it. Not a problem if they were in fact denizens. They and the other puppets of the "resistance" seem to flaunt the fact that they are highjacking the civil hq. Perhaps it's permitted legally in the game rules, but you should see why Francos has to keep ejecting these puppets. These actions by these puppets do not reflect the spirit of good game-playing; they are quite hostile in intent.

In my experience the only time the boards become active are when people like cg and i have a convo on them. admittedly i haven't checked in a while, but they are a dead dead region so far as communication goes. (see francos rules of posting for part of that.)

FS, do you have proofs from every player in the region that they hate cg? a good percentage? I wouldn't complain about her moving in, as has been discussed elsewhere the pacific is becoming a region of ghosts of other active players. she at least keeps your population to respectable numbers.

yeah, be grateful, thanks to me the pacific just gained over 100 nations :D

Having puppets is not against the rules.

nope, you can have as many puppets as you want ;)

and look, they do love having me around ;)

2 hours ago The Republic of M15 Informant good god Corinthe is a such scum worse than crazy girl

Hey, that is not very nice!! I supposed to be the nicest one!! He probably called me scum in the nicest possible way :wink:
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what, the nicest one of us 2?

mocht je willen! ;)

(for the non-dutch people: you wish!)

cg, in dutch, what does je mean?

depends on the sentence, bisty..

like:

je eet = you eat (also: often jij eet)

then there's : geef je hamster eten = give your hamster food (also: geef jouw hamster eten)

and also: hij gaf het aan je = he gave it to you (also: hij gaf het aan jou)

hope it will explain it a bit, i've never been really good with grammar ;)

cg, in dutch, what does je mean?

http://dictionary.reference.com/translate/text.html

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mmm, according to that one, mocht je willen = could you want

lol ;)

it works, but it translates pretty literally..

hey francos remeber nutters and co he's a freind of mine anyway if you tryed a different tack like unbanning everyone then people might like the pacific...just my view

It's rather interesting (sarcasm) that this thread has changed its topic from the original posting because of some of the same individuals who are the culprits in the Pacific. I suggest that this thread become closed if it is no longer to address the puppet infestation problem in the Pacific.

you're right... francos posted there are too many puppets in the pacific! and then that died....

and then cg and i started talking and kept the thing going...

that is exactly what happens in the Pacific! :lol:

how ironic.

so je, in dutch tends to mean a direct signgle individual object to whom you are speaking?

okay, so it doesn't seem to be a problem that we have multiple puppets in the pacific... we all seem to be behaving.

I would say that Francos Spain is one of the best dictaors that NS has seen. So many people oppose him yet he has stuck in there for ages and never come really close to being ejected. Even when there was a glitch in the game and he lost his endorsements he still managed to come out on top.
I cant help but admire him.