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Interestingly enough the last crackdown by the Mods didn't stop, or even slow the flaming on the forum except for the first few days. Increased moderation won't actually help solve the problem. There isn't really anything we can do that will solve the problem except hope that those people who feel the need to flame every other post go away and the rest of the people stay.

I might actually argue that there was less flaming overall before the deletions of Marathon and Philandrea than there is now, though that may be in part because there are more people on NS now.

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heh... funny.

BTW, I'm pretty sure the word "modalert" doesn't work anymore, since they eliminated the keyword search function...

But maybe it works for the mods...

test:

MODALERT :arrow: MODERATION ;)

heh... funny.

BTW, I'm pretty sure the word "modalert" doesn't work anymore, since they eliminated the keyword search function...

But maybe it works for the mods...

test:

MODALERT :arrow: MODERATION ;)

Woah, I didn't notice they'd done that. That sucks, it was really useful.

where is the less option...


BTW n00b if you don't like it... vote with your feet...

TG (i think) said ages ago that none of the Mods really looked for Modalerts anyway.

heh... funny.

BTW, I'm pretty sure the word "modalert" doesn't work anymore, since they eliminated the keyword search function...

But maybe it works for the mods...

test:

MODALERT :arrow: MODERATION ;)

Woah, I didn't notice they'd done that. That sucks, it was really useful.Yes, it was useful, but it was a big factor in screwing the servers up... all those searches... it can't be healthy. Ever try to search for 50 different things at once on "find file" on your computer? heh... that's what its like for the server ;)

Yes, it was useful, but it was a big factor in screwing the servers up... all those searches... it can't be healthy. Ever try to search for 50 different things at once on "find file" on your computer? heh... that's what its like for the server ;)

That makes sense. I guess I'm going to have to start keeping track of threads by address now.

speaking of mods, look whos come back for another go at spamming.



Kids, don't feed the troll.

Yes, it was useful, but it was a big factor in screwing the servers up... all those searches... it can't be healthy. Ever try to search for 50 different things at once on "find file" on your computer? heh... that's what its like for the server ;)

That makes sense. I guess I'm going to have to start keeping track of threads by address now....or just tag them, like everyone else ;)

speaking of mods, look whos come back for another go at spamming.



Kids, don't feed the troll.? All i see is a guy who keeps getting flamebaiters flocking to him lol

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I prefer no rules and imo some are pathetic but that option isn't there.

heh... funny.

BTW, I'm pretty sure the word "modalert" doesn't work anymore, since they eliminated the keyword search function...

But maybe it works for the mods...

test:

MODALERT :arrow: MODERATION ;)

Woah, I didn't notice they'd done that. That sucks, it was really useful.

I just did. Though this doesn't mean moderators cannot do this nor they used the search to go to modalert's.

There's no rule needed for trollers and flamers. They only need to be ignored, that's all. This be based on my experience as (now ex-)moderator on a huge forum (http://forum.scholieren.com) it is in fact spammers, trollers and flamers who want a reaction. When they don't get one, they're soon gone or change behaviour.

speaking of mods, look whos come back for another go at spamming.



Kids, don't feed the troll.

Yeah, people like that make me think we need more moderation sometimes, but then I think about it and remember that they disappear pretty quickly.

Just imagine if rule breakers disappeared off the street in your home town. It's a scary thought but no one worries about it around here.

Yes, it was useful, but it was a big factor in screwing the servers up... all those searches... it can't be healthy. Ever try to search for 50 different things at once on "find file" on your computer? heh... that's what its like for the server ;)

That makes sense. I guess I'm going to have to start keeping track of threads by address now....or just tag them, like everyone else ;)

except searching for <tag> is no longer possible

Yes, it was useful, but it was a big factor in screwing the servers up... all those searches... it can't be healthy. Ever try to search for 50 different things at once on "find file" on your computer? heh... that's what its like for the server ;)

That makes sense. I guess I'm going to have to start keeping track of threads by address now....or just tag them, like everyone else ;)

except searching for <tag> is no longer possiblerofl you don't search for tags, you search for your name, or you go to the index page and click "view my posts." everything you have ever posted on, or even tagged, will be there.

You guys didn't know that? lol

EDIT: Link: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/search.php?search_id=egosearch

Yes, it was useful, but it was a big factor in screwing the servers up... all those searches... it can't be healthy. Ever try to search for 50 different things at once on "find file" on your computer? heh... that's what its like for the server ;)

That makes sense. I guess I'm going to have to start keeping track of threads by address now....or just tag them, like everyone else ;)

except searching for <tag> is no longer possiblerofl you don't search for tags, you search for your name, or you go to the index page and click "view my posts." everything you have ever posted on, or even tagged, will be there.

You guys didn't know that? lol

EDIT: Link: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/search.php?search_id=egosearch

Sigh, read up. S/he never claimed s/he did not know that. S/he was talking about the option which was taken away recently: searching for a/multiple keyboard(s) instead of author.

Well heres the problem.

Several flamers are pets of certain moderators. These pets include, most famously, Labrador. If moderation deleted these individuals, the mods to whom these flamers owe fealty to would be upset, and there would be division among the mods, moreso than there already is.

Also, some flamers are agreed with by the mods, so their flames go unpunished, Labrador again comes to mind, as well as some of her Liberal Flamer counterparts. Do take notice, Conservative flamers are deleted in at least a 3/1 ratio to Liberal ones.

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Red Arrow definitely deserves a bit fat deletion. Labrador has been quiet lately, probably still spitting up foam from the last Liberal rant.

Well heres the problem.

Several flamers are pets of certain moderators. These pets include, most famously, Labrador. If moderation deleted these individuals, the mods to whom these flamers owe fealty to would be upset, and there would be division among the mods, moreso than there already is.

Also, some flamers are agreed with by the mods, so their flames go unpunished, Labrador again comes to mind, as well as some of her Liberal Flamer counterparts. Do take notice, Conservative flamers are deleted in at least a 3/1 ratio to Liberal ones.

*Gasp* Another Liberal conspiracy to quelch the voice of the noble Conservative! Something must be done!

Well heres the problem.

Several flamers are pets of certain moderators. These pets include, most famously, Labrador. If moderation deleted these individuals, the mods to whom these flamers owe fealty to would be upset, and there would be division among the mods, moreso than there already is.

Also, some flamers are agreed with by the mods, so their flames go unpunished, Labrador again comes to mind, as well as some of her Liberal Flamer counterparts. Do take notice, Conservative flamers are deleted in at least a 3/1 ratio to Liberal ones.

I say we need a moderate in power so he/she would be able to deal with these problems.

One person I am thinking that should go is not Labrador, but Red Arrow.yeah... Red Arrow is askin for a beatdown ;)

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Red Arrow definitely deserves a bit fat deletion. Labrador has been quiet lately, probably still spitting up foam from the last Liberal rant.

Even the communists here are pissed off at him. That tells you something. ;)

Yes, because the Communists reckognize an asshole even when he shares their political philosohpy.

Red Arrow definitely deserves a bit fat deletion. Labrador has been quiet lately, probably still spitting up foam from the last Liberal rant.

Even the communists here are pissed off at him. That tells you something. ;)

Yes, because the Communists reckognize an asshole even when he shares their political philosohpy.
Why don't they recognize Labrador?

Red Arrow definitely deserves a bit fat deletion. Labrador has been quiet lately, probably still spitting up foam from the last Liberal rant.

Even the communists here are pissed off at him. That tells you something. ;)

Yes, because the Communists reckognize an asshole even when he shares their political philosohpy.
Why don't they recognize Labrador?

Because for the most part Labrador isn't an asshole, but responds in kind to messages with ad hominem attacks. Red Arrow goes out of his/her way to bother people and be obnoxious.

Er, Labrador does the same thing. Before Arrow was making the "Let's all Hate Bush Together!" topics, Labrador was.

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Geez--some of you people have the thinnest skins around. And trust me, you don't want another crackdown. If anything, it made the spamming and flaming worse than normal--the board is positively tame compared to even a couple of months ago.

And for the record, I've never seen Red Arrow flame--he's (she's?) posted some dumb things, and made some statements that can't be or won't be backed up, but he (she?) doesn't generally make personal attacks, at least not egregious ones.

Geez--some of you people have the thinnest skins around. And trust me, you don't want another crackdown. If anything, it made the spamming and flaming worse than normal--the board is positively tame compared to even a couple of months ago.

And for the record, I've never seen Red Arrow flame--he's (she's?) posted some dumb things, and made some statements that can't be or won't be backed up, but he (she?) doesn't generally make personal attacks, at least not egregious ones.

The problem with crackdowns is that you can't count on them to be fair. More likely there would be random lockdowns of mindless superficial chat, quizzes, and other amusements while the flaming continues.

I will also take thos moment to reiterate what others have said before: This is one of the most civilized forums on the net. The odds of finding another site where interaction is less offensive than NS would be slim. So buck up, it's not so durned bad.

Do take notice, Conservative flamers are deleted in at least a 3/1 ratio to Liberal ones.

3/1? Please do state thorought proof of this statement. I bett you're just making up a number. If you can't back it up; don't call numbers, instead state that you think/feel it is like that. You bring it as fact. Where's your analysis?

Make a list of people deleted for flaming, you'll see the pattern. Or not, just sit there and think you're right.

Make a list of people deleted for flaming, you'll see the pattern. Or not, just sit there and think you're right.

Funny! No, the burden of proof lies at you. You state 3/1, without a source, so you make that list to backup your statement. In fact, you can't even post that conclusion without first basing yourself on such list or some other source, so you do still have that list or something alike; correct?

Whatever makes you feel better man =).

So, you admit you made up that 3/1 number or will you post the analysis to make me feel better? :D

Ok.. I'm a little amused, given as the person who created this topic flamed me the other day and is currently about to start flaming on anotehr thread. Admittedly, I sort of got a half apology and the flaming WAS pretty mild (certainly not serious enough for a complaint), but it's a tad hypocritical!! :roll:

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Ok.. I'm a little amused, given as the person who created this topic flamed me the other day and is currently about to start flaming on anotehr thread. Admittedly, I sort of got a half apology and the flaming WAS pretty mild (certainly not serious enough for a complaint), but it's a tad hypocritical!! :roll:

Was it? I apologized.. and I wouldn't call it a half apology either. I also cooled down and am not flaming another thread. Don't go throwing accusations where they don't fit.

Sorry for the delay... I was just checking to see if soemthing had been said in the thread after I'd left... Nope!

Personally, I don't consider 'I don't mean to. I am sorry if it appeared I did being on the right wing myself believe it or not.' In response to a different nation commenting that you were 'alientating commpassionate conservatives' a full apology! [quote take from page 29 of 'should gays be allowed to marry...]

As for your other flames, you have been calling someone a 'fool' for their different opinion to your on the 'straight white conservatives...[page 2]' thread, which, whilst admittedly exceedingly mild... is still flaming and would put you at risk from your own proposed tighter rules!

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I changed my tone in that thread.

I'm not denying that. I'm just pointing out that under your proposals for tighter controls... you WOULD have been found guilty of flaming (changing the tone later, doesn't amend that fact.)

:idea: Left, Right and the Middle... stop being such wussies and demanding that your ideologic rivals be deleated... it's sad and pathetec... like watching a fat man cry

:idea: Left, Right and the Middle... stop being such wussies and demanding that your ideologic rivals be deleated... it's sad and pathetec... like watching a fat man cry

I don't normally like to use too many smileys, but your post earned 'em: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good job as usual (but emphatically not always), Tex.

heh... funny.

BTW, I'm pretty sure the word "modalert" doesn't work anymore, since they eliminated the keyword search function...

But maybe it works for the mods...

test:

MODALERT :arrow: MODERATION ;)

You called?

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Guys, if you see flaming, baiting or trolling that you wish to report, please make a thread in the Moderation Forum with a reasonably descriptive title, giving a link, the nature of the offence and the name of the offender in the body of the post. I am not sure about the other Mods, but I always check the Moderation Forum before browsing the 17th page of some thread in General.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I changed my tone in that thread.
I'm not denying that. I'm just pointing out that under your proposals for tighter controls... you WOULD have been found guilty of flaming (changing the tone later, doesn't amend that fact.)
I respectfully disagree with you.
Don't throw accusations.

:idea: He said "you WOULD have been found guilty" had "your proposals for tighter controls" been in effect: hypothetical situations are not accusations... and no one buys into that "I respectully disagree with you" crap...

heh... funny.

BTW, I'm pretty sure the word "modalert" doesn't work anymore, since they eliminated the keyword search function...

But maybe it works for the mods...

test:

MODALERT :arrow: MODERATION ;)

You called?

:idea: 3 hours ago... I think this proves that the "m0dalert" function is dead (but not the mods!)

Texastambul, I can name, off the top of my head, three nations you have had deleted for various flaming/baiting offences. You regularly walk a very fine line regarding flame-baiting. An improvement in the way you deal with people is advisable.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Texastambul, I can name, off the top of my head, three nations you have had deleted for various flaming/baiting offences. You regularly walk a very fine line regarding flame-baiting. An improvement in the way you deal with people is advisable.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

In fairness, I'd have to agree with Texas' post (on this occasion).. I was just pointing out that tighter controls with regard to flaming, could lead to a LOT of people getting warnings who weren't expecting one!!

I changed my tone in that thread.

I'm not denying that. I'm just pointing out that under your proposals for tighter controls... you WOULD have been found guilty of flaming (changing the tone later, doesn't amend that fact.)

I respectfully disagree with you.

Don't throw accusations.

As Texas has pointed out. It's not an accusation, or a complaint against you. I was just pointing out (using evidence to support my comments), that you could well fall foul of your own hypothetical new rules.

I myself am getting very fed up and tired of how much unmoderated flaming is going on here. I say it is time to pressure the moderators into taking action so this forum can be civilized.

The problem is that the moderators should not be forced to be mom or dad -- people should be more civil. People who are consistently uncivil are a detriment to forums as snide comments and insults breed flamewars.

It would be ideal if everyone would think before they post, but I do not have much faith in trusting to that.

In fairness, I'd have to agree with Texas' post (on this occasion).. I was just pointing out that tighter controls with regard to flaming, could lead to a LOT of people getting warnings who weren't expecting one!!
:idea: First of all, thank you... and second, the future is now!

Heh, although at present, there are some people who know damn well what they're doing, and get a kick out of it, and then feign astonishment when someone does make a note of it.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

There do not need to be tighter rules, the comunity is working fine. At times I feel less moderation is in order, but these few times are outweighed by the feeling that most things are good.

i cant believe i saw a less than one week old nation complaining about this site... and then being backed up by a less than one month old nation....

it is far better now - i remember when there were no mods, of any kind (other than [violet]), it was a madhouse then, and it made many nations quit the forums... some still havent come back...

i say its far better than it was and anymore would destroy the game - the original agreement was anything goes and if it offends you then discuss or leave... the current situation is probably better than that, but more would be bad....

i cant believe i saw a less than one week old nation complaining about this site... and then being backed up by a less than one month old nation....

it is far better now - i remember when there were no mods, of any kind (other than [violet]), it was a madhouse then, and it made many nations quit the forums... some still havent come back...

i say its far better than it was and anymore would destroy the game - the original agreement was anything goes and if it offends you then discuss or leave... the current situation is probably better than that, but more would be bad....
That's so true. There used to be no mods whatsoever, and it was HELL!
(note, I'm not posting this with my main nation, so don't get confused ;))

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I don't think the strictness of moderation is the the problem, I expect it is simply that there are not enough moderators to sort out all the abusive players.

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I myself am getting very fed up and tired of how much unmoderated flaming is going on here. I say it is time to pressure the moderators into taking action so this forum can be civilized.

Tecala...this is the strictest forum I have ever seen...In other forums you can swear and flame as much as you like...so long as it is done in an intelligent and mature manner...

Here you can hardly breathe for rules...and I have been deleted twice for offences that would have been laughed at anywhere else...

I think people would just get disinterested an dissatisfied and start looking for other forums...including more rule abiding sorts :wink:

Just because YOU dont play by the simple rules we've instituted here, and refuse to change after the first few warnings/forum ban does not mean the rules are too strict.

If you like those online forums where anyone (not just the popular kids) can post what they wish, then go post there rather than here. No one forces you to come back, you choose to do so, acknowledging your agreement to the ToS - which includes abiding by the rules set forth for the forum. Whether you believe it or not, you are NOT the king of General, nor are you any different from any other player, with the exception of how long you've been around - and there are many players who've been around longer who have managed to play by the rules.



To everyone else:

As for the "excessive" flaming, trolling, etc., there are thousands of posts made each day. If you'd like action taken, as Tactical Grace posted, make a thread in Moderation with a link to the thread needing Moderator action.

To those who think the Mods are too liberal, and thus delete mostly conservatives, I ask when I became a liberal? And there are a number of other Mods who are more conservative than I, yet we manage to remove politics from decisions made in relation to moderating the forums/game.

There do not need to be tighter rules, the comunity is working fine. At times I feel less moderation is in order, but these few times are outweighed by the feeling that most things are good.

I would tend to agree, with the exception that the times are not few but frequent.

[viliot] is hiring not more mods, that is why he/she/it took out the mod sticky....there is a new one now from a nation
Actually it kind of disappeared, maybe in a forum purge, maybe in the recent forum trouble. Since [violet] is indeed not looking into hiring more Mods, getting a new sticky has had a relatively low priority.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Tecala...this is the strictest forum I have ever seen...In other forums you can swear and flame as much as you like...so long as it is done in an intelligent and mature manner...

Not to be a stickler for the blatantly obvious but, how exactly does one swear and flame in an intelligent and mature manner?

There is nothing mature in my opinion about insulting and or calling other people names.

Can you explain exactly what you meant by that statement?

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Tecala...this is the strictest forum I have ever seen...
In other forums you can swear and flame as much as you likeAre you sure? I can give you 10 other forums where flaming and even swearing is prohibited.

and i think the results from the poll speak for themeselves here....

Tecala...this is the strictest forum I have ever seen...In other forums you can swear and flame as much as you like...so long as it is done in an intelligent and mature manner...
Not to be a stickler for the blatantly obvious but, how exactly does one swear and flame in an intelligent and mature manner?
Stephanie
Game Moderator

:idea: I think there is humor and wit in exploting sterotypes and satarizing the truth... is it not true that the most thought provoking comments are the most offensive? how far should we go in our "politeness"... how "pc" do we have to be?

and i think the results from the poll speak for themeselves here....
:idea: No it doesn't... there is a huge difference between the points "Just about right" and "no more"... I will not vote because I think it is pretty far from "Just about right" when I can get warned for making a point that a Mod disagrees with...

There's a difference between being non-PC (I'm most definately not PC), and outright flaming, trolling, etc.

again, you should have seen it before there were mods... what we have is fine and i dont want anymore... it would limit the discussions too much... and how much less can we get, before there is none?

i have never been cautioned or warned... been here are year and about 1500 posts (across 4 nations)

so... why did they get deeted? just curious...

Tecala was deleted for flaming. Irony most elegant.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Tecala was deleted for flaming. Irony most elegant.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Would the line from the Bard about protesting too much fit in here? :)

ok, when i read that i couldnt stop laughing.....

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call me crazy, but that is just some wild poetic Justice aint it?

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call me crazy, but that is just some wild poetic Justice aint it?
Yeah, busted for the exact thing he was griping about :D