NationStates Jolt Archive

Hi,

I am new to this game, but it's quite appealing to me as a game I can take quite seriously but in a 'light hearted funny kind of way'.

My Nation is called Legoverland and i'm proud of it.

In a recent post I made looking to recruit Nations to join my newly formed region 'The V@gin@ Islands' I can accept that is maybe pushing beyond the limits, so therefore I apologise.

This was my response from 'Tactical Grace' Forum Moderator quote:

'How interesting. Might I suggest you do not create regions with names like that? By leaving your current one and allowing it to self-destruct? And change your national animal and currency to something less suggestive? In the next few minutes? Thanks.'


I have obliged by leaving the region. I was also asked to change my National animal and name of my currency, this however I object to.

I therefore ask for an impartial hearing and challenge you to put it to a universal vote. Please don't take this the wrong way but I do feel those final requests were insulting. Our National animal is worshipped in our lands and it is a symbol to our nation.

I do wish to carry on with the game using this quirky kind of theme and hope you can allow me to do so.

I am determined to create a NEW region for my nation, so after giving the situation some more thought I would like to ask you first, for your approval if I can have the following as my newly formed region:

Eurotica :twisted:

Given that the animal and currency are only euphemisms (and I suspect you're not the only nation with them), I don't see a real problem. However, NationStates is not a democracy and what the moderators say is what goes.

5...4...3...2...

I am appealing to the kind nature of the moderators then, let us keep of national animal please! for the sake of my people :roll:

I can't see why on earth/nationstates it should be a problem. If there's a place there should be space for freedom of thought and speech, it should be the internet.

Although I have nothing to say in this matter, I am schocked that the moderators find it offensive - if one should find it offensive, so what: DON'T LOOK AT IT THEN!

LOVED your motto by the way.

Thanks for the kind words of support. I hope we can settle this situation amicably.

I can't see why on earth/nationstates it should be a problem. If there's a place there should be space for freedom of thought and speech, it should be the internet.There is no freedom of speech on NS. It is Max Barry's property and he sets the rules. One is that the Moderators can act on what they see as offensive.

There are six year olds playing NS, ya know.

In themselves, there is nothing wrong with the names of his animal or his country, it is only when you combine them with a name like v@gin@. I would willing pay 10 Screws to go and see a Beaver frolicking freely.

There is no freedom of speech on NS. It is Max Barry's property and he sets the rules. One is that the Moderators can act on what they see as offensive.

There are six year olds playing NS, ya know.

I quite understand why there should be a certain level of decency, I just feel that 6 yr old wouldn't associate my national animal as anything other than a cute 'otter like' creature.

I would willing pay 10 Screws to go and see a Beaver frolicking freely.

A glorious site indeed :lol:

As a nation we thrive on this kind of publicity, Tourism is a very important source of income.

Listen guys, I'm sorry if I caused a fuss initially with my region name, fair enough nuke it, do as you wish with it, but please let me keep my national animal and currency.

As I said before I am new to the game, so maybe if this isn't the right place to ask for your support, then maybe someone can tell me where I should take my issues.

Should I send my thesis over?

Anyway, let us first look at them in a very objective perspective.
Beaver - an animal that looks like a squirrel.
Screw - a thing used for building things.

Now, do you see anything malicious or any bad intent for that manner.
None, for there isn't any!
Ladies and Gentlemen, it is what the person interprets about a thing that makes it malicious. So, if you associate such words to such thing that you are thinking then you are the one that's at fault not the word. Why bother the word?
I agree that a 6 year old player will not bother with some of your crude definitions and will probably get the proper definitions above anyway. There fore, I think the names should stay. If we remove every word that comes here there might not be any left.

What if I say that my currency is "the" and "The" is a bad thing, will you take it against me?

Should I send my thesis over?

I think at this moment I can do with all the support I can muster.

I thank you most graciously for your well defined letter of support.

The future of our National animal and currency is hanging in the balance of time, please put my nation out of it's misery, we plead with you to have mercy on us, as a nation we will be useless without what we hold so dear to us.

This belongs in the Moderation Forum, moving.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Interesting case here.
Legoverland's national animal is the Beaver and its currency is the Screw.

On their own, neither of these are offensive IMHO (although the currency is pushing it). I believe that Oregon IRL is the "Beaver State." However, the combination of the two can be construed as offensive. Furthermore, the intent is clearly intended as a sexual reference, which would not be in order.

I'd be curious to see what a Game Mod thinks.

This belongs in the Moderation Forum, moving.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Thank you kind sir, I'd be obliged to hear any further comments from anyone whether you are for or against my plight.

It is up to a Game Moderator whether to take any further action or not. However, the national animal beaver and the currency screw, coupled with the nation's name Legoverland and names of home regions The V____a Islands and now Eurotica, are extremely suggestive of an intent to deliberately bend the rules regarding impropriety. That concludes my observations.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I can see how this large combonation of words can be taken the wrong way by more of our more preverted users. But do we really don't need more people running around making sick jokes about this stuff? The Mods have our best intrests at heart, and they are looking out for our well being. The whole combonation of words is breaking the rules anyway. Let's look at how one may take it-

"Leg over land screwing the beaver in Erotica"

That's not cool.

Don't fight the mods to keep your animal and currency how they are, it's not worth it. This is dividing thier already limited manpower, which is the last thing we need.

As a fellow player, I would ask kindly urge of you to change your animal and currency to something not as suggestive.

Thank-you.

~Bas

As a fellow player, I would ask kindly urge of you to change your animal and currency to something not as suggestive.

I concur. Although I'm not sure if this crosses the line, it's pretty close. Wouldn't it be better just to change it to something that nobody's going to object to?

I realise my initial mistake of the name I initially created for my region.

I regret that and I'm sorry for that.

Surely you guys have seen the classic 'carry on' movies, I am trying to create that type of slap stick humour for the theme of my nation.

I do not want to offend anybody, I can assure you of that.

Regards, Ian

I can see how this large combonation of words can be taken the wrong way by more of our more preverted users. But do we really don't need more people running around making sick jokes about this stuff? The Mods have our best intrests at heart, and they are looking out for our well being. The whole combonation of words is breaking the rules anyway. Let's look at how one may take it-

"Leg over land screwing the beaver in Erotica"

That's not cool.

Don't fight the mods to keep your animal and currency how they are, it's not worth it. This is dividing thier already limited manpower, which is the last thing we need.


As a fellow player, I would ask kindly urge of you to change your animal and currency to something not as suggestive.

Thank-you.

~Bas

Hang on a minute Bas, I'm not a prevert as you put it, in fact I take great offense to that remark. I am new to this game and was ignorant to the harm I was potentially causing by naming the region in this way, I created it and I now wish I hadn't .

Just be careful how you address posts in these forums.

I think Bas was referring to some of our General forumers, not to you.

I can see how this large combonation of words can be taken the wrong way by more of our more preverted users.
I'm still not clear about what you are trying to declare here.
But do we really don't need more people running around making sick jokes about this stuff?
I apologise if you find my attempt at a bit of tongue in cheek humour sick.
The Mods have our best intrests at heart, and they are looking out for our well being.
I do not dispute this, I'm sure they all do a great job.
The whole combonation of words is breaking the rules anyway. Let's look at how one may take it-

"Leg over land screwing the beaver in Erotica"

That's not cool.
Breaking the rules, I do not agree with that. My Nation is called Legoverland (not Leg over land) and who mentioned anything about screwing the beaver in Erotica??
I think you are the one with a vivid imigination.
Don't fight the mods to keep your animal and currency how they are, it's not worth it. This is dividing thier already limited manpower, which is the last thing we need.
I am not trying to fight with anyone, I am just asking for approval.
It was suggested I change my National animal and currency, however, I feel that is unfair, because I would like to continue with this game using this as a 'light hearted comical' theme for my Nation.

As a fellow player, I would ask kindly urge of you to change your animal and currency to something not as suggestive.

Thank-you.

~Bas
As a fellow player, if I was to ask you to change your animal and currency, what would you say?
Thank you Bas.

Regards,
Ian

Legoverland's national animal is the Beaver and its currency is the Screw.


I am a Canadian.. and if you go look at my nation.. my animal is also the beaver. The beaver is actually a proud Canadian symbol. Now, I'm not sure this was your intent given what your region was called and given you have picked "screw" as your currency. Although, I suppose one could argue that you mean a screw you use that sits in ones toolbox. I don't know what your intentions were. So, with that said.. I see nothing wrong with your animal given it's the exact same as mine.. and I will give you the benefit of the doubt on your currency. I will however caution you to heed Tactical Grace's warning to not create regions with such names.

Thank You.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Thank you Stephanie.

I appreciate your comments, I do have a small Canadian streak in me courteous of my Grandmother, she moved to England as a child from Alberta. The Beaver is a beautiful creature, I just had a look at yours, very nice too :wink:

I can assure you my intentions were not to offend, I only wanted to create a kind of light hearted quirky theme for my nation.

I can leave you guys in peace now while I go and plan world domination (in the nicest possible way) for my proud little Nation. :twisted:

Regards, Ian

Thank you Stephanie.

The Beaver is a beautiful creature, I just had a look at yours, very nice too :wink:

Regards, Ian

Now, I give you a break.. and you come back with a comment like this? Not to smart. This will get you your first warning from me. Get a few more and you will be deleted.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Umm...I think you took what I said the wrong way. :? Maybe we can clear up any misconceptions. I was in no way trying to insult you, I'm sorry if I did.

Chill Bas, I don't think you have much hope of getting a rational response. Step back, and let nature take its course. ;)

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Haha, your right. :lol: I'm just gonna walk away.

Thank you Stephanie.

The Beaver is a beautiful creature, I just had a look at yours, very nice too :wink:

Regards, Ian

Now, I give you a break.. and you come back with a comment like this? Not to smart. This will get you your first warning from me. Get a few more and you will be deleted.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

I apologise if you misinterpreted my post, I was actually refering to your nation.

I don't think I have had a very good start to NS, I'm not trying to be a pain ....honest.

Bas, your remarks were a little out of context and the use of words such as 'preverted' as you put it, unneccessary.

TG - a rational response? Do you believe I am irrational?

Let's just say that your actions so far have not been conductive to the continued existence of your nation.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Thank you for your guidance TG, I have learnt fast how to conduct my business on these forums. You have helped to educate me, I now feel confident I can persue my enjoyment of this game.

Perhaps from now onwards, we can start afresh, wipe the slate clean and not to keep referring back to mistakes I made in the very beginning.

I pride my nation on peaceful negotiations rather than ugly confrontations.

~ Live in peace ~

What his kingdom name is what...Eurotica. Isn't this too much leeway? I know I did support you regarding what a person's interpretations are and to what extent, but making it into a so-called theme. Could you at least change your region name? A word that came from a malicious one is definetly malicious, even if you changed/ added TWO letters.

And what is wrong with Eurotica?
The Virgin islands are a real place.
It's a fuzzy animal and a Tool, people!
I really don't see what this guy did wrong.