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This nation. 'The Dictatorship of N A Z I Germany', has a flag (well-known symbol), and a motto (infamous greeting phrase), which I believe are not allowed on NS.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=n_a_z_i_germany

The motto is allowed.

Sieg Heil!

But the flag's been removed.

Seig Heil!

And dont forget, Support your local Einsatz Kommando.

But the flag's been removed.

If you haven't already, might want to telegram him to tell him why it was removed. If he is not notified and reposts the flag and is deleted, doesn't seem to fair.

The motto could be referring to anything technically. :wink:

That's S.O.P. TROUSRS.

Why is it that people think we just go off and take actions without informing those that need to know why we took said action?

That's S.O.P. TROUSRS.

Why is it that people think we just go off and take actions without informing those that need to know why we took said action?

I'm assuming nothing. I was just.. I don't know, but I know that it is Standard Opperating Procedure.

Edit: If it came off sounding as if I was commanding/yelling/implying that you don't know what you're doing, then I'm sorry..

Dont know how the 'no flamebait' and 'no insult' rules are interpreted exactly, but tthe statements he (N A Z I Germany) posts on the Europe regional board might qualify?

...and he now has a SS flag, complete with deaths head. That's probably disallowed too, I suspect.

This nation. 'The Dictatorship of N A Z I Germany', has a flag (well-known symbol), and a motto (infamous greeting phrase), which I believe are not allowed on NS.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=n_a_z_i_germany

it isnt a swastica, and the greeting is not illegal, until violet rules the deaths head and the double lightning bolts illegal it is perfectly legal, bear in mind, the pirates nations in the caribbean, they all have skulls and crossed bones.the only Images banned from flags are nude human bodies, goatse stuff, Swasticas, tubgirl and dead things, please take this into consideration before you call for a banning


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This nation. 'The Dictatorship of N A Z I Germany', has a flag (well-known symbol), and a motto (infamous greeting phrase), which I believe are not allowed on NS.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=n_a_z_i_germany

it isnt a swastica

Well, it was a swastika when I made that post.

...and he now has a SS flag, complete with deaths head. That's probably disallowed too, I suspect.
That's allowed too, give up already. :roll:

This nation. 'The Dictatorship of N A Z I Germany', has a flag (well-known symbol), and a motto (infamous greeting phrase), which I believe are not allowed on NS.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=n_a_z_i_germany

it isnt a swastica

Well, it was a swastika when I made that post.

if youa re going to quote me quote me entirely, I dont mind ya leaving out my image sig but quote all of what I have said not jsut the first half of the first sentence.

As Noam Chomsky said, if we can't allow even those who we vehemently oppose free speech, then we're not really for free speech. I believe the guy is a nazi bastard, and that his flag offends me and millions of others, but he is allowed to voice his opinion. Here's to him doing so in the real world to someone who'll just knife him for being an ignorant, racist bastard.

Essentially, as it's not a swastika, his flags allowed. I might not like it, you might not like it, but it's still allowed. Such is life, I'm afraid.

Essentially, as it's not a swastika, his flags allowed. I might not like it, you might not like it, but it's still allowed. Such is life, I'm afraid.

I agree, if it is allowed, it is allowed.

Will research the rules better next time.

Thanks for the initial flag cleanup,

/ FoF

I'm not sure of the actual legislation on this in Germany, but I think possessing images from any banned organisation is illegal.
I'd assume this means SS flags. Perhaps if this is the case, the rules regarding flags should be changed so german users aren't so at risk.

The internet isn't Germany, so it isn't banned. You can't ban a picture that doesn't harm anyone (ex child pornography is harmful, thus banned). Banning stuff doesn't do anything useful. If you disagree with this person, as I do, tell them that, try to teach them the truth and tolerance- though I doubt idiot nazis can be taught much of anything. Such is life...

The internet isn't Germany, so it isn't banned. You can't ban a picture that doesn't harm anyone (ex child pornography is harmful, thus banned). Banning stuff doesn't do anything useful. If you disagree with this person, as I do, tell them that, try to teach them the truth and tolerance- though I doubt idiot nazis can be taught much of anything. Such is life...

But possessing banned images on your computer is illegal.
Child pornography is not illegal on the internet, but it's illegal to have it on your computer in 99% of the world.
Because of the way the internet works, when you view a site, the images are downloaded to your computer. If they are banned, they are banned out of consideration for German users.

The current flag is allowed I suppose because Sputnik has ruled. Fair enough. But it will be highly offensive to many...why do we think these people do all they can to punch up Nazi filth? Having said that, people will always find ways round the rules of any organisation or even country. I imagine it would be a never-ending game of 'post it and see' if more vile stuff is dissalowed. Perhaps we should just look at the sad attempts to shock and feel sympathy.............nah.

My question is this: who cares about the guy's flag? If he wants to get his -ss kicked by some commies or militant hippies, let him.

As much as a moron this guy is,

I will speak on behalf of all true communists and Anarchist,

Stop with the liberal censorship.

Insult him, harass him, do whatever you please, but don't scream around for censorship.

As much as a moron this guy is,

I will speak on behalf of all true communists and Anarchist,

Stop with the liberal censorship.

Insult him, harass him, do whatever you please, but don't scream around for censorship.

This isn't so much a matter of censorship, it's the fact that such images are possibly against the law in Germany.

It's a bit lengthy, but I've emboldened the key bits.

1) Whoever, within the territorial area of application of this law, as ringleader or supporter, maintains the organizational cohesion of:

1. a party or organization, as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of a banned party in a proceeding pursuant to Section 33 subsection (3), of the Law on Political Parties; or

2. an organization, which has been banned, no longer subject to appeal, because it is directed against the constitutional order or against the idea of international understanding, or as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a banned organization, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than five years or a fine. An attempt shall be punishable.

(2) Whoever is active as a member in a party or organization of the type indicated in subsection (1) or whoever supports its organizational cohesion, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

(3) Section 84 subsections (4) and (5), shall apply accordingly.

SECTION 86 DISSEMINATION OF MEANS OF PROPAGANDA OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
(1) Whoever domestically disseminates or produces, stocks, imports or exports or makes publicly accessible through data storage media for dissemination domestically or abroad, means of propaganda:

1. of a party which has been declared to be unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court or a party or organization, as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a party;

2. of an organization, which has been banned, no longer subject to appeal, because it is directed against the constitutional order or against the idea of international understanding, or as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a banned organization;

3. of a government, organization or institution outside of the territorial area of application of this law which is active in pursuing the objectives of one of the parties or organizations indicated in numbers 1 and 2; or

4. means of propaganda, the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organization,

shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

(2) Means of propaganda within the meaning of subsection (1) shall only be those writings (Section 11 subsection (3)) the content of which is directed against the free, democratic constitutional order or the idea of international understanding.

(3) Subsection (1) shall not be applicable if the means of propaganda or the act serves to further civil enlightenment, to avert unconstitutional aims, to promote art or science, research or teaching, reporting about current historical events or similar purposes.

(4) If guilt is slight, the court may refrain from imposition of punishment pursuant to this provision.

SECTION 86a USE OF SYMBOLS OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
(1) Whoever:

1. domestically distributes or publicly uses, in a meeting or in writings (Section 11 subsection (3)) disseminated by him, symbols of one of the parties or organizations indicated in Section 86 subsection (1), nos. 1, 2 and 4; or

2. produces, stocks, imports or exports objects which depict or contain such symbols for distribution or use domestically or abroad, in the manner indicated in number 1,

shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

(2) Symbols, within the meaning of subsection (1), shall be, in particular, flags, insignia, uniforms, slogans and forms of greeting. Symbols which are so similar as to be mistaken for those named in sentence 1 shall be deemed to be equivalent thereto.

(3) Section 86 subsections (3) and (4), shall apply accordingly.

As much as a moron this guy is,

I will speak on behalf of all true communists and Anarchist,

Stop with the liberal censorship.

Insult him, harass him, do whatever you please, but don't scream around for censorship.

This isn't so much a matter of censorship, it's the fact that such images are possibly against the law in Germany.

It's a bit lengthy, but I've emboldened the key bits.

1) Whoever, within the territorial area of application of this law, as ringleader or supporter, maintains the organizational cohesion of:

1. a party or organization, as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of a banned party in a proceeding pursuant to Section 33 subsection (3), of the Law on Political Parties; or

2. an organization, which has been banned, no longer subject to appeal, because it is directed against the constitutional order or against the idea of international understanding, or as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a banned organization, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than five years or a fine. An attempt shall be punishable.

(2) Whoever is active as a member in a party or organization of the type indicated in subsection (1) or whoever supports its organizational cohesion, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

(3) Section 84 subsections (4) and (5), shall apply accordingly.

SECTION 86 DISSEMINATION OF MEANS OF PROPAGANDA OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
(1) Whoever domestically disseminates or produces, stocks, imports or exports or makes publicly accessible through data storage media for dissemination domestically or abroad, means of propaganda:

1. of a party which has been declared to be unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court or a party or organization, as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a party;

2. of an organization, which has been banned, no longer subject to appeal, because it is directed against the constitutional order or against the idea of international understanding, or as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a banned organization;

3. of a government, organization or institution outside of the territorial area of application of this law which is active in pursuing the objectives of one of the parties or organizations indicated in numbers 1 and 2; or

4. means of propaganda, the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organization,

shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

(2) Means of propaganda within the meaning of subsection (1) shall only be those writings (Section 11 subsection (3)) the content of which is directed against the free, democratic constitutional order or the idea of international understanding.

(3) Subsection (1) shall not be applicable if the means of propaganda or the act serves to further civil enlightenment, to avert unconstitutional aims, to promote art or science, research or teaching, reporting about current historical events or similar purposes.

(4) If guilt is slight, the court may refrain from imposition of punishment pursuant to this provision.

SECTION 86a USE OF SYMBOLS OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
(1) Whoever:

1. domestically distributes or publicly uses, in a meeting or in writings (Section 11 subsection (3)) disseminated by him, symbols of one of the parties or organizations indicated in Section 86 subsection (1), nos. 1, 2 and 4; or

2. produces, stocks, imports or exports objects which depict or contain such symbols for distribution or use domestically or abroad, in the manner indicated in number 1,

shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

(2) Symbols, within the meaning of subsection (1), shall be, in particular, flags, insignia, uniforms, slogans and forms of greeting. Symbols which are so similar as to be mistaken for those named in sentence 1 shall be deemed to be equivalent thereto.

(3) Section 86 subsections (3) and (4), shall apply accordingly.

As much as a moron this guy is,

I will speak on behalf of all true communists and Anarchist,

Stop with the liberal censorship.

Insult him, harass him, do whatever you please, but don't scream around for censorship.

This isn't so much a matter of censorship, it's the fact that such images are possibly against the law in Germany.

It's a bit lengthy, but I've emboldened the key bits.

1) Whoever, within the territorial area of application of this law, as ringleader or supporter, maintains the organizational cohesion of:

1. a party or organization, as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of a banned party in a proceeding pursuant to Section 33 subsection (3), of the Law on Political Parties; or

2. an organization, which has been banned, no longer subject to appeal, because it is directed against the constitutional order or against the idea of international understanding, or as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a banned organization, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than five years or a fine. An attempt shall be punishable.

(2) Whoever is active as a member in a party or organization of the type indicated in subsection (1) or whoever supports its organizational cohesion, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

(3) Section 84 subsections (4) and (5), shall apply accordingly.

SECTION 86 DISSEMINATION OF MEANS OF PROPAGANDA OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
(1) Whoever domestically disseminates or produces, stocks, imports or exports or makes publicly accessible through data storage media for dissemination domestically or abroad, means of propaganda:

1. of a party which has been declared to be unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court or a party or organization, as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a party;

2. of an organization, which has been banned, no longer subject to appeal, because it is directed against the constitutional order or against the idea of international understanding, or as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a banned organization;

3. of a government, organization or institution outside of the territorial area of application of this law which is active in pursuing the objectives of one of the parties or organizations indicated in numbers 1 and 2; or

4. means of propaganda, the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organization,

shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

(2) Means of propaganda within the meaning of subsection (1) shall only be those writings (Section 11 subsection (3)) the content of which is directed against the free, democratic constitutional order or the idea of international understanding.

(3) Subsection (1) shall not be applicable if the means of propaganda or the act serves to further civil enlightenment, to avert unconstitutional aims, to promote art or science, research or teaching, reporting about current historical events or similar purposes.

(4) If guilt is slight, the court may refrain from imposition of punishment pursuant to this provision.

SECTION 86a USE OF SYMBOLS OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
(1) Whoever:

1. domestically distributes or publicly uses, in a meeting or in writings (Section 11 subsection (3)) disseminated by him, symbols of one of the parties or organizations indicated in Section 86 subsection (1), nos. 1, 2 and 4; or

2. produces, stocks, imports or exports objects which depict or contain such symbols for distribution or use domestically or abroad, in the manner indicated in number 1,

shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

(2) Symbols, within the meaning of subsection (1), shall be, in particular, flags, insignia, uniforms, slogans and forms of greeting. Symbols which are so similar as to be mistaken for those named in sentence 1 shall be deemed to be equivalent thereto.

(3) Section 86 subsections (3) and (4), shall apply accordingly.

We should NOT let them enjoy free speech because after all they always use it. I even saw nazi website heavily supporting free speech and freedom of oppinion, and if we consider those right-wing bastards control the media, then we have massive brainwash and future hitlers coming, while people like me cant be heard.

YEAH!! Lets not show any tolerance towards differing views because they're differing and intolerant of our views!!


Regardless, the issue has been raised, responded to, resolved. Locked.