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The delegate of Europe just ejected many nations from Europe, password protected the region and left.
Could a mod please lift the password and clear the ban list?

What a %*%$%!! He is gone now. You soon will be taken off the banlist when the new delegate update comes. This deserves some moderate action.

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The nation with the 2nd highest number of endorsements is our old delegate, Grated Cheese. Grated Cheese is inactive and has been left on vacation mode, so we'll still be screwed.
If the mods remove the password and clear the banlist, Nendeln can return. Nendeln has 60 or so endorsements and would take the delegacy position.

Oh yes, and this wouldn't have happened if the mods had appointed a new Founder for us.

Well, the mods will not apoint founders anymore, but they still take foundership away :?

[code:1:1e40ef13fa]38 minutes ago: The United Engineers of Rokolev departed this region for Portugal
48 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of East Colorado password-protected the region.
53 minutes ago: The United Socialist Republics of Myrth departed this region for The Rejected Realms
53 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of East Colorado ejected The United Socialist Republics of Myrth from the region.
59 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of East Colorado departed this region for South Pacific
61 minutes ago: The Socialist Republics of Austria and Hungary departed this region for Central Europe
61 minutes ago: The Rogue Nation of North Aykafonisi departed this region for Central Europe
62 minutes ago: The Self-Governing Island of Aykafonisi departed this region for Central Europe
62 minutes ago: The Nation of Liechtenistan departed this region for Central Europe
62 minutes ago: The Incorporated States of Gettersburg departed this region for The Rejected Realms
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I think about going to live in Europe for a while, do you think they welcome me?
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You'd be more than welcome in Europe.
http://www.nationstates-europe.org/forum

Oh yes, and this wouldn't have happened if the mods had appointed a new Founder for us.

You can't really blame the mods. They have enough work to as it is, although I can't help feeling slightly resentful to them ;)

I hope to get back into Europe soon.

Well, I am a tad irritated about this.
I would even support a mod puppet permanently being made Founder, just as long as the region is secure.

Well, I am a tad irritated about this.
I would even support a mod puppet permanently being made Founder, just as long as the region is secure.

Lol, mod puppets die of inactivity all the time. You'll be worst off :P :lol:

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Well, I am a tad irritated about this.
I would even support a mod puppet permanently being made Founder, just as long as the region is secure.

Lol, mod puppets die of inactivity all the time. You'll be worst off :P :lol:

Well then it could be left in vacation mode... I'm sure the mods have time to log in once every 60 days :cry:

Oh yes, and this wouldn't have happened if the mods had appointed a new Founder for us.

We don't do that anymore. After all, the founder is the nation that actually created the region.

Oh yes, and this wouldn't have happened if the mods had appointed a new Founder for us.

We don't do that anymore. After all, the founder is the nation that actually created the region.

So you don't appoint anymore founders? I'm not sure if I like that or not. What happens if a UN delegate abuses the power and boots everyone out? The people just go to the mods, and they handle it? :?


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Founders are appointed in 'exceptional circumstances.'
Unfortunately, there are no set rules on these 'exceptional circumstances' so nothing gets done.

The mods already have a huge amount of work to do so I can understand why they don't appoint founders anymore. The mods should remove the bans and password-protection first before we should discuss whether Europe 'deserves' a founder or not.

7 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of East Colorado barred UN Delegate access to Regional Control.


????

i thought this was something only founders could do?

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7 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of East Colorado barred UN Delegate access to Regional Control.


????

i thought this was something only founders could do?

Don't worry. that's only a joke :lol: You are right, only founders can do that. You only saw the message, but access is not barred :P

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I noticed that when he did it when he got the Regional Controls and then kicked me out ;)

/me crosses fingers and hopes the mods will reconsider granting Europe a new Founder.

/me crosses fingers and hopes the mods will reconsider granting Europe a new Founder.
*seconds that*

7 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of East Colorado barred UN Delegate access to Regional Control.


????

i thought this was something only founders could do?

If the Founder of the region is not present in the region, then the Delegate cannot be barred from access to Regional Control. I am guessing that if the region has no Founder, then the Delegate can never be barred from access to Regional Control.

However, if the region does have a Founder and the Founder is in the region, then the Delegate can bar himself/herself from Regional Control, effectively locking him or her out.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
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I have passed my observations of this incident along to the Game Moderators. However, I would also like to note that these incidents should be reported through the Getting Help (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) page.

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It's pretty normal since your little Nuttylnd is the most annoying nation in that region. :roll:

It's pretty normal since your little Nuttylnd is the most annoying nation in that region. :roll:

Ahem. Nuttylnd was ejected in disgrace and formed his own region.


And thankyou for your troubles Cog. I did also file a mod report, although the situation has been resolved now.
Hopefully this will spur some more debate between the mods to hopefully get Europe a new founder, even if it is a mod puppet.

We're hashing this over in the Mod forum. We should have a decision soon.

It's pretty normal since your little Nuttylnd is the most annoying nation in that region. :roll:

Ahem. Nuttylnd was ejected in disgrace and formed his own region.


And thankyou for your troubles Cog. I did also file a mod report, although the situation has been resolved now.
Hopefully this will spur some more debate between the mods to hopefully get Europe a new founder, even if it is a mod puppet.

God bless Europe.

We're hashing this over in the Mod forum. We should have a decision soon.

Did I ever mention how much hard cash I have just waiting to be given away..? :wink:

Oh, by the way, if the mods do grant us a Founder, our preferable nation would be the nation of EuroFounder - a puppet nation, currently located in The Pacific. If you decide to grant us a founder, please telegram me and I'll rally the support :)

So, erm, any news?

So, erm, any news?

Not yet.

Remember the Infamous Bureaucratic Mod Slowness. :wink:

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

But Steph told me.... nothing. Steph told me nothing. :shock:

But Steph told me.... nothing. Steph told me nothing. :shock:

Hey! I just woke up! M'kay? :P

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

*cough*

Oh yes, and this wouldn't have happened if the mods had appointed a new Founder for us.

Or if you hadn't endorsed a delegate who was a greifer? Or was this a case of an invader?

Oh yes, and this wouldn't have happened if the mods had appointed a new Founder for us.

We don't do that anymore. After all, the founder is the nation that actually created the region.

So you don't appoint anymore founders? I'm not sure if I like that or not. What happens if a UN delegate abuses the power and boots everyone out? The people just go to the mods, and they handle it? :?


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Yes. Foundership is meant for the founders, and some exceptions were made in the past. Beyond that, they can simply form a new region if the founder dies.



I know this is a large region, and has had problems in the past. I understand there is a problem. Just not sure if it can't be ironed out within the same gudilines handed to every other region in the game.

Either way, just my opinion, and hope the region can be stabliized (by mod or by the region itself).

Oh yes, and this wouldn't have happened if the mods had appointed a new Founder for us.

Or if you hadn't endorsed a delegate who was a greifer? Or was this a case of an invader?

The delegate took power through passive endorsement trading. i.e. handing out a UN endorsement to just about every UN nation, with the intent on recieving an endorsement in return. By the time we realised what was happening, it was too late.
Europe has always been a magnet for griefers because of it's sheer size.

Yes, we could put up a password but it is nearly impossible to tell who is a griefer and who is not so the region would just be totally closed off and decay. Not to mention the fact that with 600+ nations, chances are one of them could suddenly decide it would be a good laugh to take the delegacy and boot us all out.
Yes, we could establish a Pacific-style dictatorship where the delegate simply ejects anyone who gets too many endorsements, but this destroys the whole point of the UN being democratic.
A founder can take care of regional security, a delegate can deal with the UN votes.

East Colorado wasn't a griefer before some people got on his nerves a lot with some basic lies and may have been hacked off because someone (!) got some people from the PAcific Army to come over here.

Oh yes, and this wouldn't have happened if the mods had appointed a new Founder for us.

Or if you hadn't endorsed a delegate who was a greifer? Or was this a case of an invader?

The delegate took power through passive endorsement trading. i.e. handing out a UN endorsement to just about every UN nation, with the intent on recieving an endorsement in return. By the time we realised what was happening, it was too late.
Europe has always been a magnet for griefers because of it's sheer size.

Yes, we could put up a password but it is nearly impossible to tell who is a griefer and who is not so the region would just be totally closed off and decay. Not to mention the fact that with 600+ nations, chances are one of them could suddenly decide it would be a good laugh to take the delegacy and boot us all out.
Yes, we could establish a Pacific-style dictatorship where the delegate simply ejects anyone who gets too many endorsements, but this destroys the whole point of the UN being democratic.
A founder can take care of regional security, a delegate can deal with the UN votes.

I really hope you don't find me callous on the situation, because I really am not. That said, a couple of points.

If you all endorsed this delegate, there really is nothing to be balmed except for you guys... You don't have to be like The Pacific. Look at almost all of the feeders and they have rules against endorsement swappers, and will kick out any delegate that comes close.

You could simply elect a strong delegate, put in place no endorsement swapping rules as such, and if anyone is found voioleting this give them a chance to speak or kick them. TO avoid being a dictatorship you could hold set elections on different days, or only thorugh stronger candiates-- there are a ton of different ways that you could all take care of security, from within the region.

As to the problem of putting up a password, I agree this cuts of trade greatly, but it a limitation that every passworded region in this game has to take on. It is a pain, it is a hassle, and I am not sure why Europe should recieve special attentio when the other regions in the game shouldn't deserve like treatment...

Again, whatever happens hope it is for the good of the game and your region and all that, just some observations on how it could be taken care of with strong leadership rather then mod intervention...

By the time we realised, our old Founder had been inactive for ~26 days and the delegate had no power. We couldn't do anything.

As I understand it, the decision has been made and we're now just waiting for Rep Prod to give it the go ahead... right?

Ok... I telegrammed all this to Stephistan, but since she's not been on yet and I'd like this to be resolved, could Neut please check his telegrams please. Thanks :D

For you Myrth? Never!! :P

Actually, if you could email that stuff to nuttythemod@yahoo.com, I'd appreciate it, and I'll look into it.

Done, done, and DONE!

Thanks.

*waits patiently*

What're you waiting for?

*jumps for joy like a big sissy girl*

I believe this issue has been resolved :)

Stephanie
Game Mod