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Okay. Looks like this is the place to be. I'm pretty new at this, and I was wondering what your take on this situation might be. Please tell me if I'm in the wrong or not.

My friend and I both have rogue nations. We recently decided to start our own region in which all rogue nations could gather. I decided to send out invitations to as many rogue nations as I could. I also asked for endorsements for the UN regional delegate position. I thought this would be fair; I created the region. After a day or two, anyone could get endorsements. I wouldn't restrict anyone's ability to be regional delegate.

Do you guys think what I did was spamming? I got a message back from one of the nations I invited and it was quite rude about it. I just thought I'd bring it up. If you guys say yes, I'll immediately stop doing it.

<------ Not a moderator!

Sending messages to multiple nations is spam. Lol, there are even some mods that say every single one of these messages is a spam letter on it's own :P
Spamming is a deletable offence. I know, it sux, but there is nothing you can you about it :(

Pacific Freedom Force (http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_Pacific/)

So I guess a big 'rogue nation hot tub party' is out of the question, then. Alright, thanks. I won't send out any more invitations to join our region.

It's better to advertise your regions on the forums by either posting a general invitation, or looking for people who are looking for a region and replying to that.

I keep forgetting what the official policy is on advertising for regions. I'll try to get back to you on this.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

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It's better to advertise your regions on the forums by either posting a general invitation, or looking for people who are looking for a region and replying to that.

This I would agree with.

You could also be subtle about advertising your region. Namely, by signing your posts with some mention of your region. It's not too much "In Your Face", but it gets your region's name publicized a bit.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

Actually, I would wait for a Mod response before I decided to agree this is Spam.

The ownwer of this site has said before we can send multiple tlelegrams to other nations for the sake of politicking, which is what you did. I know that this was allowed for UN resolutions, best to wait to see about this sort of telegraming.

Before you decide this is absolutley SPam, tho I would not apprecate such a Telegram myself, I would not absolutlely agree that this is clearly spam. I believe clarification might be in order, by a mod. I mean, others continue to post and all, just best to wait and get an official word.

So I guess a big 'rogue nation hot tub party' is out of the question, then. Alright, thanks. I won't send out any more invitations to join our region.

You can do this in the forums, you can Role Play it.

EDIT: I see that Cog replied already, which is cool.

36 pages of Violet's posts, ans the keyword Spam did not find his post on this issue...

Spam/SPAM: Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that clog the server. This includes posting lots of smilies which is known as Smilie Spam. Also akin to spamming is Post-whoring which is when a player posts anything just to increase the postcount. Going in and out of a region and hence filling up the regional events board with departing and arriving messages is known as Events Log Spamming and is not allowed. Spamming to the point where you get deleted is known as Klamathing. Spamming in the forums should be reported through the Moderation forum, and In-game, through the Getting Help Page.

Still looking for more stuff, brb :twisted:

Not anymore. I have something on my own site, but it has server/data problems.

Pacific Freedom Force (http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_Pacific/)

Okay. Looks like this is the place to be. I'm pretty new at this, and I was wondering what your take on this situation might be. Please tell me if I'm in the wrong or not.

My friend and I both have rogue nations. We recently decided to start our own region in which all rogue nations could gather. I decided to send out invitations to as many rogue nations as I could. I also asked for endorsements for the UN regional delegate position. I thought this would be fair; I created the region. After a day or two, anyone could get endorsements. I wouldn't restrict anyone's ability to be regional delegate.

Do you guys think what I did was spamming? I got a message back from one of the nations I invited and it was quite rude about it. I just thought I'd bring it up. If you guys say yes, I'll immediately stop doing it.

*didn't receive an invite*

:lol:

Actually, I would wait for a Mod response before I decided to agree this is Spam.

The ownwer of this site has said before we can send multiple tlelegrams to other nations for the sake of politicking, which is what you did. I know that this was allowed for UN resolutions, best to wait to see about this sort of telegraming.

I'd be interested on the stance regarding a group of nations and assorted puppets sending TM's regarding withdrawing of endorsements for say a region's delegate. Given the number of people engaging in this activity one can get 3 tm's a day. Factor in the number of UN nations in a feeder region that's alot of server space. Further they skirt the rules as it is part of a plan to wear down their opposition by this continual annoyance but since its a group instead of an individual no one can be singled out. Tough to call it spam per se as its spread out amongst several individuals but it is a conscious tactic with some organizations. Since they aren't advertising for you to come to another region but are interfering in the affairs of a region they are not part of what is this considered to be and can it be stopped?

mmm, i wonder which delegate that would be...
and not a part of the region? why? because they were kicked out?

mmm, i wonder which delegate that would be...
and not a part of the region? why? because they were kicked out?

Glad to see you recognize this is a problem.

mmm, yes indeed, all the people getting kicked out their homes is indeed a problem, i agree..

At your convenience Moderation, I am interested on the stance.

mmm, yes indeed, all the people getting kicked out their homes is indeed a problem, i agree..

Most bothersome, I concur. May be we should do something bout that.

Most bothersome, I concur. May be we should do something bout that.

How silent NS would be, if we deated all those homeless nations on the spot. What the Heck, let's make the delegate in question a moderator :P

Pacific Freedom Force (http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_Pacific/)

mmm, yes indeed, all the people getting kicked out their homes is indeed a problem, i agree..

*looks around* So what's up with that PiFFa?

Since this is obviously being hijacked I again restate...

I'd be interested on the stance regarding a group of nations and assorted puppets sending TM's regarding withdrawing of endorsements for say a region's delegate. Given the number of people engaging in this activity one can get 3 tm's a day. Factor in the number of UN nations in a feeder region that's alot of server space. Further they skirt the rules as it is part of a plan to wear down their opposition by this continual annoyance but since its a group instead of an individual no one can be singled out. Tough to call it spam per se as its spread out amongst several individuals but it is a conscious tactic with some organizations. Since they aren't advertising for you to come to another region but are interfering in the affairs of a region they are not part of what is this considered to be and can it be stopped?

Again, at your convenience Moderation.

mmm, yes indeed, all the people getting kicked out their homes is indeed a problem, i agree..

*looks around* So what's up with that PiFFa?

PiFFa?

okay, could just be me, but what is that?

Actually, I would wait for a Mod response before I decided to agree this is Spam.

The ownwer of this site has said before we can send multiple tlelegrams to other nations for the sake of politicking, which is what you did. I know that this was allowed for UN resolutions, best to wait to see about this sort of telegraming.

I'd be interested on the stance regarding a group of nations and assorted puppets sending TM's regarding withdrawing of endorsements for say a region's delegate. Given the number of people engaging in this activity one can get 3 tm's a day. Factor in the number of UN nations in a feeder region that's alot of server space. Further they skirt the rules as it is part of a plan to wear down their opposition by this continual annoyance but since its a group instead of an individual no one can be singled out. Tough to call it spam per se as its spread out amongst several individuals but it is a conscious tactic with some organizations. Since they aren't advertising for you to come to another region but are interfering in the affairs of a region they are not part of what is this considered to be and can it be stopped?

I will read the rest of your posts, but wanted to pause right here. I am so used to questions lately that I did not realize this is actually a unique Q to ask, but really this is a unique question to ask.

In the past I believe [violet] has said that sending out telegrams is okay to politik for a particular UN resolution. The unique aspect of this situation is what you have written, that I have emboldened. It has never been stated if it is okay to send mass emails to nations of a region (manually) encouraging them to stop supporting the delegate of their region. This is different then what has been discussed before, and I think does deserve a unique response.

Just my devalued 2 cents though…

Given the number of people engaging in this activity one can get 3 tm's a day. Factor in the number of UN nations in a feeder region that's alot of server space.
If we assume that each of 205 nations receive three of these telegrams per day, and that the average length of such a telegram is 5000 characters (I'm just making a guess there, so that number might be a bit inaccurate), that's about 3MB of telegrams per day. However, no one nation can have more than fifteen telegrams in the list, so the maximum volume of telegrams would be 15MB - a number which is likely to be insignificant next to the size of the rest of the site.

However, I do agree that the persistent sending of telegrams to nations who indicate they do not want to receive them is something that should stop. I think both sides would be better off if the telegrams were only sent to those who could be reasonably expected to change their minds.

Multiple messages like that are very annoying. But you're quite new so all is/has been forgiven. :D

It is annoying, that is true. Still not sure if this is spam or not, if sent via cut and paste (a script TM would be against the rules).

yeah there is a big difference to spamming and recruiting i recruit but anyway that ban was inposed on spammers so you have to wait for a few seconds to send out a telegram

Not the point being made. Can an organization with an expressed goal and acting on that goal in concert (sending out TM's) be considered the same as one individual? If so is it spam? Thin edge of the wedge here, if it were one individual then its spam but what about an allied group or organization?

I keep forgetting what the official policy is on advertising for regions. I'll try to get back to you on this.

I'm obviously not a mod, but I can tell you what the latest ruling was on this that I know of:

It is allowed to send people personal invites: that means invites aimed at them particularly for some reason (cause they're your friends, or because there's a common history, etc...) This falls under politicking.

It is allowed to post a general recruitment message in the feeder regions and in the RR, with a maximum of one per day per region.

It is allowed to post a general recruitment message on the NS forum, and even bump it a few times.

It is NOT allowed to send mass solicitations (with no specific number being defined as a limit) to nations. So no canned messages. Using automailers is forbidden.

It is NOT allowed to post recruitment messages on the Civil HQ Board of a bunch of regions.

Ballotonia

So then a group like the PA or the RRA sending out solicitations via TM to individual nations asking them to withdraw their support of a delegate could be considered spam? It is several nations doing it only once and claiming membership to one of the above organizations. Since its individuals acting out on direction from an organization I would consider that the same as an individual using puppets. What is the viewpoint of moderation?

I keep forgetting what the official policy is on advertising for regions. I'll try to get back to you on this.


It is NOT allowed to send mass solicitations (with no specific number being defined as a limit) to nations. So no canned messages. Using automailers is forbidden.


I am not 100% sure this is true, because I believe it was [violet] herself who said that canned messages would be alright for the purpose of Politicking. At the time, the question was whether it should be allowed to send such TMs for getting proposlas passed... and I believe [violet] said that this would be permissable, but I am wrong from time to time so it would be great if a mod would comment on the issue...

If this is true, and generic TMs are not allowed, then those positionoing against FS by doing so would certainly be breaking the rules. Again, tho, I don't believe that it is against the rules, perhaps sometime we'll get word on this.