NationStates Jolt Archive

Recently, I came across a thread that was more or less, a recruitment thread for one of the ever increasing number of white supremecist nations, who regularly spew thier unwanted filth on the forums.

This one, i took notice of becuase it explained quite literally, "no fags....jews...etc..."

This alone should have been enough to warrant the deletion of the thread, and the posting nation.....many, many nations have been deleted for far less....and anyone who disagrees is lying to themselves.

The disturbing thing was.....a Mod....(who shall remain nameless) not only must have read the initial post...but did nothing about it.
Granted...he did post a link to a nice picture of a person waving thier arse at a computer screen..possibly indicating his stance on the thread...but thats all that he did.

I telegrammed that Mod asking why nothing was done about it....the response i recieved was.."I have no idea what you are talking about"

Really? You should know.....you posted in that very thread.

So my question is this.....where does the fine line between freedom of speech and racist propaganda mix.....and why does it seem that the mods are willing to tolerate so much of it..while deleting other nations for far less?

Perhaps this isnt the case ...but it would almost appear that many of the mods are tiptoeing around much of this kind of thing..so as not to draw attention to it.

In fact...there is such a huge number of white power groups using this game today..that many of the favorite sites used by them.."ie...stormfront.." are reccomending NS's use.

Is this what we want as a legacy for this game?
I wonder how Max Barry would feel about it?

Personally.....i believe that a zero tolerance should be implemented....you post anything derrogatory against any other race....and POOF...you get deleted.

Where does it end?

I'm sure they don't encourage that ish.... but you can't block ppl's right to an opinion, well at least not always, even if this is a semi-private site. Why don't you start an Anti-Nazi recruitment drive?

Personally.....i believe that a zero tolerance should be implemented....you post anything derrogatory against any other race....and POOF...you get deleted.
Where does it end?
:idea: Come on... zero tolerance means that you can't make a red-neck joke, employ ebonics, or quote Mrs. Swan(from Mad TV)... is that what you want? sterility?

Personally.....i believe that a zero tolerance should be implemented....you post anything derrogatory against any other race....and POOF...you get deleted.
Where does it end?
:idea: Come on... zero tolerance means that you can't make a red-neck joke, employ ebonics, or quote Mrs. Swan(from Mad TV)... is that what you want? sterility?

I agree with Texas on this one, a world of PCness is no world for me

zero tolerance is Wack YO!

Personally.....i believe that a zero tolerance should be implemented....you post anything derrogatory against any other race....and POOF...you get deleted.
Where does it end?
:idea: Come on... zero tolerance means that you can't make a red-neck joke, employ ebonics, or quote Mrs. Swan(from Mad TV)... is that what you want? sterility?

I agree with Texas on this one, a world of PCness is no world for me

i'm with these guys, if the site went with your "no tollerance" thing i would be outta here. flaming and trolling are legitimate reasons to delete a player simply because they serve no purpose other than to piss people off and start long, server-clogging fights. but derogatory posts are part of life; people in the real world are going to say those things, and issues about them are going to come up. why should we not address those issues and attitudes here? and why should your opinion be considered more important than that of people who hold another view?

Mods encourage "thinking" it may not always be considered "right", but its real, and thus must be addressed, its up to the rest of us to address those view points in a decent way, like proving them wrong without flaming

We discredit them by accepting them, besides tolerance doesn't mean you have to like it

so....using words like "******" or ones equally wrong..are okay to use in this site?

Is that what we want?

so....using words like "******" or ones equally wrong..are okay to use in this site?

Is that what we want?

hey if you want to do that then you're free to, you did it, not me

I think the rule from what I understand is basically any political view may be expressed on this site. However, you may not use terms like "******" or any other term that is seen to be inflammatory or malicious. Now, I know some mods are more willing to let things go then others.. and that is their prerogative. We can't all think the same. However, keep in mind there is a difference between posting your political views no matter how unpopular they may be and making outright racists statements and use of racists slurs. I can't speak for any mod but myself and I personally don't tolerate racism in any crude form. While I do believe that racists do have a right to voice their political opinions if done in an intelligent non-flamebait way.

Just my $0.02

I can't speak for any mod but myself and I personally don't tolerate racism in any crude form.
:idea: What if it is in a joking manner, like a play on a stereotype or a cultural quirk?

I can't speak for any mod but myself and I personally don't tolerate racism in any crude form.
:idea: What if it is in a joking manner, like a play on a stereotype or a cultural quirk?

i get my welshophobic threads locked, so i would guess not.

I can't speak for any mod but myself and I personally don't tolerate racism in any crude form.
:idea: What if it is in a joking manner, like a play on a stereotype or a cultural quirk?

i get my welshophobic threads locked, so i would guess not.

they don't let welshophobic stuff slide... wow someones on the ball

I can't speak for any mod but myself and I personally don't tolerate racism in any crude form.
:idea: What if it is in a joking manner, like a play on a stereotype or a cultural quirk?

I personally believe that the world has perhaps become to PC. I have told what some might deem to be racist jokes.. however, don't have a racists bone in my body. I think that people are also to sensitive some times. A joke is just that.. a joke. I personally would let it go. However. some times in text, it's hard to read if the person is telling a joke or being serious.. that is where discretion comes in I suppose.

:idea: who are the Welsh... oh, right... the sheep ---kers

I'm sure they don't encourage that ish.... but you can't block ppl's right to an opinion, well at least not always, even if this is a semi-private site. Why don't you start an Anti-Nazi recruitment drive?

Well, generally someone who doesn't understand double standards posts "OMG< CAN@T CENSOR NAZIS< FREE SPEECH!!!!11!!!" or similar.

I can't speak for any mod but myself and I personally don't tolerate racism in any crude form.
:idea: What if it is in a joking manner, like a play on a stereotype or a cultural quirk?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2095365&highlight=#2095365

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2095076&highlight=#2095076


http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2091945&highlight=#2091945

I can't speak for any mod but myself and I personally don't tolerate racism in any crude form.
:idea: What if it is in a joking manner, like a play on a stereotype or a cultural quirk?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2095365&highlight=#2095365

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2095076&highlight=#2095076


http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2091945&highlight=#2091945

As I said, some are more sensitive then others.. I can't speak to why Tactical Grace decided to take his stance. That's a question that you should ask him. I can only as stated speak for myself.

I can't speak for any mod but myself and I personally don't tolerate racism in any crude form.
:idea: What if it is in a joking manner, like a play on a stereotype or a cultural quirk?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2095365&highlight=#2095365

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2095076&highlight=#2095076


http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2091945&highlight=#2091945

As I said, some are more sensitive then others.. I can't speak to why Tactical Grace decided to take his stance. That's a question that you should ask him. I can only as stated speak for myself.

well, i'm not really complaining it was flamebait

Hello, how are you? I hope to have fun at this site and get to know you all.
Why are you so worried about us? This is my first time posting here and I have seen so many threads mention us that I am bursting with joy. All this free publicity, how could we not come here?

For pride,
RJP

Hello, how are you? I hope to have fun at this site and get to know you all.
Why are you so worried about us? This is my first time posting here and I have seen so many threads mention us that I am bursting with joy. All this free publicity, how could we not come here?

For pride,
RJP
:idea: why must you hide behind clan pride, do you fear individualism?

Hello, how are you? I hope to have fun at this site and get to know you all.
Why are you so worried about us? This is my first time posting here and I have seen so many threads mention us that I am bursting with joy. All this free publicity, how could we not come here?

For pride,
RJP

Hi, I'm Spoffin, and for the (hopefully) breif time that you're here, I'l be doing my best to annoy the hell out of you. :D

Some other people you might like to meet and greet are Beeks, Spherical Objects, The Lost City of Yarm, Letila and Eridanus.

Welcome to NationStates.

:idea: why must you hide behind clan pride, do you fear individualism?

Individualism will corrode and eventually destroy a civilization faster than anything. There is true strength in working together as one.

Individualism will corrode and eventually destroy a civilization faster than anything. There is true strength in working together as one.
:idea: when the individual is eliminated for the good of society, civilization has already vanished

:idea: why must you hide behind clan pride, do you fear individualism?

Individualism will corrode and eventually destroy a civilization faster than anything. There is true strength in working together as one.
What, like with all races working together, side by side? I think we might just get along you and I.

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I can't speak for any mod but myself and I personally don't tolerate racism in any crude form.
:idea: What if it is in a joking manner, like a play on a stereotype or a cultural quirk?

I personally believe that the world has perhaps become to PC. I have told what some might deem to be racist jokes.. however, don't have a racists bone in my body. I think that people are also to sensitive some times. A joke is just that.. a joke. I personally would let it go. However. some times in text, it's hard to read if the person is telling a joke or being serious.. that is where discretion comes in I suppose.

I agree with you. I am about as far from racist as one can get, yet I do both tell and laugh at the odd racist joke.

i too enjoy a good racial joke.....mostly becuse of the sheer absurdity of the very idea..

But when these neo-fools actually spout these slurs as fact..or recite tired trumped up theories of how every country on earth will degrade due to ethnic mixing, then it gets silly...

The thread was geared asking wether or not the moderators on this forum are perpetuating these hate groups to flourish by not acting harshly enough..or at all, to stop this behavior...

I dont think the mods should censor ANY threads no matter how offensive it is cause thats thought control tyranny--the only time a thread should be deleted is if it violates someones privacy somehow

I do not think that the mods encourage the threads. They just allow them to ocur. As long as these threads do not break any of the rules, then the mods have no right to close these treads.

Just because you find an opinion offensive does not mean it's wrong. There's a distinct difference between allowing players to post their views and allowing players to openly/blatantly insult others.

There's a very gray line you're asking us to draw in heavy black - it cant be done fairly. See, what you dont realize, is that sometimes your jokes arent funny to everyone. Same as those with differing opinions from you. Sometimes those jokes are clearly over the line, but that's where the Mods have to determine the context.


Basically, it comes down to this: What the HELL gives YOU the right to tell someone else their beliefs are wrong? It's all opinions - there is no "wrong" or "right", just differences. Therefore, everyone has the right to post their opinions here, wild as they may seem to anyone else. The line is not drawn according to opinions, it's drawn between posting opinions, and flaming (and dont try to get away with flames by claiming they're opinions).

Interesting opinion Mr. Sputniks.....to wich I ask...what gives you the right to make such decisions everyday on nearly the same issue every day?

Do I believe that all of the smooth-brained neo-nazi's should be disallowed from posting....no...but I do believe that when usage of offensive racial remarks like.."******"....or "Heeb"....or whatever choice piece of filth is being flounced around..that the offending post should be removed....

You yourself Neut, cannot deny that threads have been locked, nations deleted.....for far, far less...

The point in this peticular case as mention in the first post..was that even after such a "colorful" word was used.....one of your own not only posted...but did nothing to stop, or remove the offending thread...

Since we look to you, and those like you, to act upon this forum as a moderator.....by showing a passive stance on that issue....would you not say that you more or less gave the go-ahead for further use of these slurs?

So...I return the serve my good man....What gives you the moral right?

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Oh no Beeks...you made no mistake.....for you see.....That holocuast thing....NEVER HAPPENED remember? :roll:

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Oh no Beeks...you made no mistake.....for you see.....That holocuast thing....NEVER HAPPENED remember? :roll:

I find it quite difficult to stomach the fact that neut seems to condone what his grandfather and mine fought so hard to eliminate from the world :?

think of it this way, Beeks...the racists have the right to post their opinions, just as anyone else does, and THAT is part of what your ancestors fought for: equality and freedom of belief. if the racists post misinformation then that's GOOD...you can counter it, prove them wrong, and expose their lies. driving them underground only helps hide them from such exposure, and it's not like you and the other anti-racists haven't been more than a match for them so far.

Mine too.....Army AirForce Combat Medic..

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Oh no Beeks...you made no mistake.....for you see.....That holocuast thing....NEVER HAPPENED remember? :roll:

I find it quite difficult to stomach the fact that neut seems to condone what his grandfather and mine fought so hard to eliminate from the world :?

think of it this way, Beeks...the racists have the right to post their opinions, just as anyone else does, and THAT is part of what your ancestors fought for: equality and freedom of belief. if the racists post misinformation then that's GOOD...you can counter it, prove them wrong, and expose their lies. driving them underground only helps hide them from such exposure, and it's not like you and the other anti-racists haven't been more than a match for them so far.

Ah...but answer me this...Max Barrys site...as people often point out is a private site...people can only post what he allows...therefore this whole freedom of speech arguement is null and void...and would you rather them post Nazi/Racist threads no matter how ill informed...or have no nazi/racist threads at all? I'll take the latter... :D

well, you know how i love a good fight, so i have to admit i would miss scrapping with the racists. but that's just because i'm a brat, really...i'll stop pretending to have a higher ideological goal for it :).

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Indeed freedom of expression is paramount to our society.....

But..where does it end?

Not so long ago..the KKK came to my sleepy little town of 35,000 to hold a speech on the courthouse steps.
My personal beliefs say that..."ok...fine ....spew your garbage all you want...I as an intelligent human being, can stick my fingers in my ears and yell..LA LA LA.. untill your done..."

So..go on and say.."white power"......if you must..(yawn)...but once tyou start invoking offensive slurs..........you get the hook.

In this case.....the unamed moderator.....(no it wasnt Nuet) did nothing about it.....thereby seting a precedent....and giving the green light for it to happen again.

THATS wrong.

well, you know how i love a good fight, so i have to admit i would miss scrapping with the racists. but that's just because i'm a brat, really...i'll stop pretending to have a higher ideological goal for it :).

I know darling...you intelligent hooligan you :wink:

thanks for adding the "intelligent" part, my teachers never bother to :P.

(oblique Simpsons reference: "Just once I want someone to call me "Sir" without adding "...you're making a scene.")

The disturbing thing was.....a Mod....(who shall remain nameless) not only must have read the initial post...but did nothing about it.
Granted...he did post a link to a nice picture of a person waving thier arse at a computer screen..possibly indicating his stance on the thread...but thats all that he did.

I telegrammed that Mod asking why nothing was done about it....the response i recieved was.."I have no idea what you are talking about"

Really? You should know.....you posted in that very thread.


Nice tactic, this.

So, instead of respond to my telegram with a link to this supposed thread I took part in, you decide to paint me (granted, anonymously) as uncaring to the forum.

I had no idea what you were talking about. At the time you sent me the telegram, I was asleep. Furthermore, look at my post count. Do you think I have photographic memory of the 6000+ posts I've made?

Finally, I'm rather sure you have the wrong person, as I don't have any images of "a person waving thier arse at a computer screen", nor would I want any.

So, please, give me a link. Should I have been so drunk that I not only did what you said, but have no memory of it (and, indeed, no memory of having gotten drunk), perhaps I can give an explination.

There are lots of different approaches to handling racist garbage. Here's a couple of examples from my home state:

Many years ago (around 1983, if I recall correctly), the Ku Klux Klan decided to hold a march in Charlotte, NC. Small problem - they didn't have an active Klan chapter in Charlotte, so they had to import some Klansmen from elsewhere in the state. On the day of the march, they had about 10 guys in sheets marching down the street. There were around 100 police officers keeping order on the route of the march. They were actually there to protect the Klansmen from the approximately 2000 people protesting the march. The Klan has not tried to hold a march in Charlotte since.

On the other hand, Klan marches were a regular event in Raleigh during the late 1980s. Once a month, the same half-dozen or so Klansmen would march down Hillsborough Street to the state capitol, and give a speech on the capitol steps. There would be a couple of police officers keeping an eye on things, and occasionally somebody taking pictures. But apart from that, everyone pretty much ignored them. They made their speeches, they left, life went on. Eventually the Klan decided it was a waste of time and quit doing it.

So, who handled it right? While you could argue that both cities handled it pretty well, I prefer the way Raleigh handled it. Idiots like the Klan thrive on persecution; no doubt all of the marchers in the Charlotte march went back to their homes feeling like they had successfully stood up for something. While the Raleigh marchers could only feel like idiots, because they were made to feel irrelevant. They probably all went home and banged their heads against concrete walls until they felt better.

The moral of the story is: Evil enjoys being yelled at, but hates being laughed at. :twisted:

Wait a minute here... The nation [whatever] said no 'fags...jews...etc...', right? Well, can't regions deny membership to nations who don't adhere to certain political/economic/social ideas? Aren't those ideals, in many cases, the reflection of the ideals of the player? But that's quite alright, not a very sound argument anyway.

But there are more things. Why do people cry havoc when the letters KKK comes up? Has no one heard of Nationalism, or its greatest fit of stupidity, the Balkans? Anyone remember pan-Slavism? In case you don't, I'll tell you. Starting circa 1870 there was a movement in the Balkans and parts of Russia that 'hey, we're all Slavs, let's get together!' Now I'm sure you've heard about the undergrad with a ten dollar pistol who perferated a pushy Austro-Hungarian Arch Duke. Is that little 8,000,000, death situation totally forgotten? Pan-Slavism is a big kick-off for the Greatest War the world has ever known. But that is all forgotten.

And I'll agree. These White Supremacists spew venom left and right and most of it is just insane tirades with no real end.

But I'd rather live in a nation where gun toting racist rednecks go around spewing that venom, infecting others with that poison than in a nation where social conformity is absolute and a national mandate.

And just to rip Europe some more [and Canada for that matter], I have seen Universal Healthcare. Thank you, no! Many Native American tribes have universal healthcare and it is a load of crap. Oh its nice to not have to pay for healthcare, but when you have to wait in line for three hours with strep-throat just to get a three second shot, it starts to get stupid. Universal Healthcare is another socialist pipe dream that ends up being costly for the average taxpayer and painful for those that have to wait in line for hours and hours and hours and hours.

Now with that, I'm going to go do something else - probably go out and shoot some guns, drink some budweiser, and be the dirty redneck I was born to be.

Danke.

No...not YOU specifically...you in general.
By "you" I mean all of you.

And no....i do not expect you to remember every post you make.

But....you did remember my telegram didnt ya? :wink:

The reason i didnt mention your name...was becuase I didnt want to turn this thread into a personal attack on you.
Theres far too much of that already, frankly.

Could I have the wrong Mod.......?

Phbbbbt........it wouldnt be the first time.

But...im FAIRLY certain it was you.......although I was suffering from a 100 degree fever, chills...and general sickness at the time..


You see....I just love debating you Mods....when its kept civil......and only when I think you have acted in error.

This particular instance...is that the Mod in question.....(again...you or not) did nothing about the thread....untill recently......long after he/she/you/whomever had posted the picture......thereby allowing said racial slurs to go unchecked.

here it is......

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http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame11.html



its posted under.."the most glorious hack"

ring a bell now?

furthermore...here is how the thread started.

*please forgive my re-printing of the spew it contains....this will prove a point*


Move to a new region

White Power is looking for new inhabitants.

Only a few rules,

1, No Sooties
2, No Papes,
3, No Jews,
4, No Fagots,
5, No Arabs,




Isnt that cute......well......Now what do you say Hackenstien?

Can't you just post a link to the thread itself? :twisted:

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame11.html
That is one of the excellent "Flame Warriors" series by Mike Reed. I strongly recommend reading the whole lot! They're very funny and very accurate to different personality types of forum posters. We could probably fit a few people from NS into those types!

Wait a minute here... The nation [whatever] said no 'fags...jews...etc...', right? Well, can't regions deny membership to nations who don't adhere to certain political/economic/social ideas? Aren't those ideals, in many cases, the reflection of the ideals of the player? But that's quite alright, not a very sound argument anyway.

But there are more things. Why do people cry havoc when the letters KKK comes up? Has no one heard of Nationalism, or its greatest fit of stupidity, the Balkans? Anyone remember pan-Slavism? In case you don't, I'll tell you. Starting circa 1870 there was a movement in the Balkans and parts of Russia that 'hey, we're all Slavs, let's get together!' Now I'm sure you've heard about the undergrad with a ten dollar pistol who perferated a pushy Austro-Hungarian Arch Duke. Is that little 8,000,000, death situation totally forgotten? Pan-Slavism is a big kick-off for the Greatest War the world has ever known. But that is all forgotten.

And I'll agree. These White Supremacists spew venom left and right and most of it is just insane tirades with no real end.

But I'd rather live in a nation where gun toting racist rednecks go around spewing that venom, infecting others with that poison than in a nation where social conformity is absolute and a national mandate.

And just to rip Europe some more [and Canada for that matter], I have seen Universal Healthcare. Thank you, no! Many Native American tribes have universal healthcare and it is a load of crap. Oh its nice to not have to pay for healthcare, but when you have to wait in line for three hours with strep-throat just to get a three second shot, it starts to get stupid. Universal Healthcare is another socialist pipe dream that ends up being costly for the average taxpayer and painful for those that have to wait in line for hours and hours and hours and hours.

Now with that, I'm going to go do something else - probably go out and shoot some guns, drink some budweiser, and be the dirty redneck I was born to be.

Danke.
The part I've put in bold has absolutely *nothing* to do with the rest of the post and especially the thread.

Can't you just post a link to the thread itself? :twisted:


SHHHHHHH!! Quiet you!!

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame11.html
That is one of the excellent "Flame Warriors" series by Mike Reed. I strongly recommend reading the whole lot! They're very funny and very accurate to different personality types of forum posters. We could probably fit a few people from NS into those types!

i just read through them all, i definitely recognize many of those types. i of course am an imposter http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame54.html

One of the mods is a neonazi. I think we know who it is.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

Blah. can't be bothered reading the entire thread.. but basically the mods allow people of any political persuasion to post thier thoughts... freedom of speech and all that

Wait a sec.....

I just thought about something...

Would I be allowed to adress the United Nations (the real one, not the sad plebianistic one here) and scream.."I hate niggers?"

No?

Then why would I be allowed to do it here??

Gee HACK...why did ya run off so soon...this just got good.

Can't you just post a link to the thread itself? :twisted:


SHHHHHHH!! Quiet you!!

until you link to the thread to back up your claims it is very hard to take your accusations seriously. MGH has stated that he didn't post what you claimed, and unless you can show that he did i think you owe him an apology.

I'm one of those Racialists who always gets called a Neo-Nazi for demanding my people be allowed to live in their own land, and space without intereference from the government of this forced, unconstitutional, unlawful affirmative action, quotos, and forced integration under the banner of a 1965 judicial coup e' tat, where the military was deployed on our land against our own citizens since the time of the civil war.

To think that there should be limits on free speech all because you don't agree with it is nothing more then censorship, and thought control. You'll notice, that most of us don't use racial slurs even on our own forums. I agree racial slurs should not be used, but once in a while it slips.

To reach down into the effects of banning hate speech in greater society, our founding fathers and nearly all Americans prior to 1960 would be considered haters, and would be censored under this new program.

You are not supreme in your beliefs to call for this banning of censorship. I don't think I ever called for the banning of free speech for commies, zionists, and other anti-white haters for any reason, though I don't like that, and consider them my enemies.

Why don't you allow people to make up their own minds, and decide for themselves who is right ? So far nobody has been able to convince of the immorality with my goals, and how "wrong" they are. I truely believe in my heart that my goal for my people is for my and their best interests.

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Gee HACK...why did ya run off so soon...this just got good.

Because I work nights. Therefore I sleep during the day.

Even if I wasn't sleeping, I have yet to see the link to this thread that's gotten you in such a tizzy.

Gonna supply it, or are you just trolling?

Hmmm. Well, anyone who's posted on this thread should go to the region 'Evil Axis of Power.' Have fun.

all the important stuff is on page 3 Hackmeister.

but..since a couple of people have asked...here you are.


Also......you misinterperet me...."tizzy" is something wich I rarely aspire to.

This.....is something else entirely.


http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35738&start=0

so...there it is......

The thread, the the link...the post by Hack.....of it.


Where was was I?

Oh yes....see.....by allowing that kind of thread to begin that way..you set a precedent for future threads to begin with the same offensive language.

Posting the cartoon was nice...but it didnt accomplish anything but a green light to the thread to continue.

You are supposed to be a moderator on this forum....it should have been your job to lock that thread once it started......by not doing so you encourage the behaviour of more threads like it to come.

What do you say?

My question: why do you care so much? Racist threads never convince everyone, and often end up doing the opposite. I have never been so convinced of the idiocy of racists than after my months here on NS.

My question: why do you care so much? Racist threads never convince everyone, and often end up doing the opposite. I have never been so convinced of the idiocy of racists than after my months here on NS.

besides if i can't dress up and wear my jackboots, i don't wanna play. :P

Date of my post: June 3rd
Date I became a Mod: June 23rd

That a good start? Twenty days before I became a mod.

Furthermore, that was an in character thread. Not much I could do. If you had looked at page 3 of that thread, you would have noticed The SLAGLands explaining why nothing would be done.

Any more vapor you'd like to bring up?

Edit: Moved to Moderation where it belonged in the first place.

I can't speak for any mod but myself and I personally don't tolerate racism in any crude form.
:idea: What if it is in a joking manner, like a play on a stereotype or a cultural quirk?

Hey, if no one complains about 'dumb blonde' jokes, should I refrain from 'dumb girl with an Afro' jokes?

How do you know when a girl with an Afro has been using the computer?

WHEN YOU DISCOVER THAT A SPEAR'S BEEN CHUCKED THROUGH THE MONITOR!!!

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!

Sound fair?

No. Knock it off.

About both Blondes and Afros, or just one of the two?

(bearing in mind that the 'Afro' hairdo is in fact occasionally used by White girls, just as one may see an Asian or Black girl with her hair dyed blonde)

May I speak? I'm hardly an unbiased spectator, but that's because I'm against every side.

There is very little more pointless than discriminating against religion. Religion is just a tool for speaking to god, nothing more. Just because someone does it in a different way to you doesn't mean he's wrong, and you are a jackass for making a fuss over it.

Now, having said that religion is the least important thing, I'm going to prove myself wrong by bringing up ethnic groups. They mean nothing. Not at all. There is no difference between a pygmy and an aryan, a chinaman and George Bush, King Solomon and Adolf Hitler, in genetic terms. None. The only possible difference is skin color, and if you're going to discriminate on that basis, then you need to be moved to a nice little padded room immediately.

The only thing that can be discriminated against is stupidity. And you, excusing the mods, all of you, are guilty of that. The rascists for the reasons above, the non-rascists for paying any attention to them and making them feel 'big'.

I'm sorry if you don't like what I've said, but I'll stand by it.

May I speak? I'm hardly an unbiased spectator, but that's because I'm against every side.

There is very little more pointless than discriminating against religion. Religion is just a tool for speaking to god, nothing more. Just because someone does it in a different way to you doesn't mean he's wrong, and you are a jackass for making a fuss over it.

Now, having said that religion is the least important thing, I'm going to prove myself wrong by bringing up ethnic groups. They mean nothing. Not at all. There is no difference between a pygmy and an aryan, a chinaman and George Bush, King Solomon and Adolf Hitler, in genetic terms. None. The only possible difference is skin color, and if you're going to discriminate on that basis, then you need to be moved to a nice little padded room immediately.

The only thing that can be discriminated against is stupidity. And you, excusing the mods, all of you, are guilty of that. The rascists for the reasons above, the non-rascists for paying any attention to them and making them feel 'big'.

I'm sorry if you don't like what I've said, but I'll stand by it.

It's been a while since I've seen someone lay into all sides like that. Might want to tone the language down a bit, but otherwise, you're largely right. Oh - and yes, there are some superficial physiological differences between the races of men, but it really is just that. Superficial.

Why join a politcal website if you really feel that voices of offensive politics have no right to speak. And that is essentatily what this is, a politcal block. This is not pedarists, these are not necropheliacs, these are no other sick group that you can argue should have a voice despite being offensive.

Studt history instead of simply scanning it for you want, and you will see a large politcal influence held by White Supremeists, Nazis, and KKk members. It is impossible (tho occasionally attempted) to argue that there is no politcal impact made by these groups.

You want to pretend thse groups don't exist, fine, but that will only strengthen them. Moreover, to introduce the idea extermination of player's or beliefs based on what you find offensive is a subjective a slippery-slide as I can imagine.

Can you make a good argument why 1) it is beneficial to ignore strong politcal groups (keeping in mind that ignorance seems more likely to grow in the dark, rather then under scrutiny) and 2) why a Utopian world through oppressive censorship is really best for politcal discourse?

May I speak? I'm hardly an unbiased spectator, but that's because I'm against every side.

There is very little more pointless than discriminating against religion. Religion is just a tool for speaking to god, nothing more. Just because someone does it in a different way to you doesn't mean he's wrong, and you are a jackass for making a fuss over it.

Now, having said that religion is the least important thing, I'm going to prove myself wrong by bringing up ethnic groups. They mean nothing. Not at all. There is no difference between a pygmy and an aryan, a chinaman and George Bush, King Solomon and Adolf Hitler, in genetic terms. None. The only possible difference is skin color, and if you're going to discriminate on that basis, then you need to be moved to a nice little padded room immediately.

The only thing that can be discriminated against is stupidity. And you, excusing the mods, all of you, are guilty of that. The rascists for the reasons above, the non-rascists for paying any attention to them and making them feel 'big'.

I'm sorry if you don't like what I've said, but I'll stand by it.

Do you live in a place where everybody holds hands, smiles, and sings stupid happy songs while prancing about in a golden meadow with a colorful rainbow above?

What's more sickening than hearing the bigoted, racial beliefs is hearing the blissful ignorance of living in an ideal world.

No genetic differences? Are you aware that skin color is determined by genes? So this brings me to my point: Don't talk about something unless you know what you're talking about. There are a TON of medical conditions that are specific to races, such as sickle-cell anemia, and there's that one that's specific to eastern europe jewish people, some brain disease I forgot what it's called. But my point is that there are vast genetic differences. You're obviously one of those people who live in this ideal world where everybody is equal.

So this leads to my second point: Natural selection picks those genes best suited for an environment, and evolution occurs. Sickle-cell anemia has resistances to malaria, so do the math. I don't care what anybody says, but there WILL be differences in the races because of natural selection, and this does give firm basis for racism.

May I speak? I'm hardly an unbiased spectator, but that's because I'm against every side.

There is very little more pointless than discriminating against religion. Religion is just a tool for speaking to god, nothing more. Just because someone does it in a different way to you doesn't mean he's wrong, and you are a jackass for making a fuss over it.

Now, having said that religion is the least important thing, I'm going to prove myself wrong by bringing up ethnic groups. They mean nothing. Not at all. There is no difference between a pygmy and an aryan, a chinaman and George Bush, King Solomon and Adolf Hitler, in genetic terms. None. The only possible difference is skin color, and if you're going to discriminate on that basis, then you need to be moved to a nice little padded room immediately.

The only thing that can be discriminated against is stupidity. And you, excusing the mods, all of you, are guilty of that. The rascists for the reasons above, the non-rascists for paying any attention to them and making them feel 'big'.

I'm sorry if you don't like what I've said, but I'll stand by it.Roania's an anti-nazi :?:

Why join a politcal website if you really feel that voices of offensive politics have no right to speak. And that is essentatily what this is, a politcal block. This is not pedarists, these are not necropheliacs, these are no other sick group that you can argue should have a voice despite being offensive.

Studt history instead of simply scanning it for you want, and you will see a large politcal influence held by White Supremeists, Nazis, and KKk members. It is impossible (tho occasionally attempted) to argue that there is no politcal impact made by these groups.

You want to pretend thse groups don't exist, fine, but that will only strengthen them. Moreover, to introduce the idea extermination of player's or beliefs based on what you find offensive is a subjective a slippery-slide as I can imagine.

Can you make a good argument why 1) it is beneficial to ignore strong politcal groups (keeping in mind that ignorance seems more likely to grow in the dark, rather then under scrutiny) and 2) why a Utopian world through oppressive censorship is really best for politcal discourse?
I've forgotten more about history than most of you yanks will ever know. So don't talk to me about that. I find racism ridiculous because there are so many *good* reasons to hate humans, that its absurd to pick that one.


1) It's best to ignore them because, quite frankly, they are all in it for attention. The Nazis ruined fascism, as I already argued, succesfully, in another thread.

2) I can argue that because I have very little respect for democracy. I'm not going to, however, because I'd prefer to let that wonderful defender of democracy, Ashcroft, do it for me.

Do you live in a place where everybody holds hands, smiles, and sings stupid happy songs while prancing about in a golden meadow with a colorful rainbow above?

What's more sickening than hearing the bigoted, racial beliefs is hearing the blissful ignorance of living in an ideal world.

No genetic differences? Are you aware that skin color is determined by genes? So this brings me to my point: Don't talk about something unless you know what you're talking about. There are a TON of medical conditions that are specific to races, such as sickle-cell anemia, and there's that one that's specific to eastern europe jewish people, some brain disease I forgot what it's called. But my point is that there are vast genetic differences. You're obviously one of those people who live in this ideal world where everybody is equal.

So this leads to my second point: Natural selection picks those genes best suited for an environment, and evolution occurs. Sickle-cell anemia has resistances to malaria, so do the math. I don't care what anybody says, but there WILL be differences in the races because of natural selection, and this does give firm basis for racism.

To tell the truth, I live in a world full of brainless nimrods and imbeciles. My every waking moment is spent answering questions much like this. I know what you are talking about, but I'll remind you that there are so many more instances where I am right that the remaining are negligible. You are trying to defend racism. It won't work. There are all sorts of defenses against racism, but they all sound like excusing genocide.

As far as I'm concerned, every human is equal. I hate most humans equally. There are very few humans who have earned my respect, or lessened my hate. That's the way of it.

It's been a while since I've seen someone lay into all sides like that. Might want to tone the language down a bit, but otherwise, you're largely right. Oh - and yes, there are some superficial physiological differences between the races of men, but it really is just that. Superficial.

As I recall, the last person to do so was... um, you. And I know its superficial, and you know it's superficial, but some people ((Aryan Tribes, *coff*)) seem to think that it means something.

God, if you're going to discriminate, discriminate against idiots and the weak! Not against people with other skin colors. Not that I condone the execution of handicapped people, but it makes more sense than racism.

Any person who claims intelligence and then makes a statement claiming to hate people for being (in their opinion) less intelligent than they are, show massive amounts of un-intelligent thought processes. The truely intelligent person would be more prone to help his fellow creatures to raise to the highest possible level of intelligence, in order to be able to hold an intelligent conversation, which is the desire of that person.

Any person who claims intelligence and then makes a statement claiming to hate people for being (in their opinion) less intelligent than they are, show massive amounts of un-intelligent thought processes. The truely intelligent person would be more prone to help his fellow creatures to raise to the highest possible level of intelligence, in order to be able to hold an intelligent conversation, which is the desire of that person.

Actually, my greatest desire is power, and maybe money, or for this world to be turned from its corrupt path and set back upon a proper one. I have a tested IQ of 156, so... either I'm evil, or there's something wrong with your theory.

Actually, my greatest desire is power, and maybe money, or for this world to be turned from its corrupt path and set back upon a proper one. I have a tested IQ of 156, so... either I'm evil, or there's something wrong with your theory.I tested at 164, myself, so I doubt there is a problem in my theory. You must just be evil :D

Kay.

Let me see. I'm evil...

List of Roania's good qualities

*Evil

* Lacks empathy for any other living thing

* Cares about people insofar as they can aid him, only has the slightest concern for things or people that don't help him

* Wants this entire world to be a grey color, where everything grows regimented and change happens slowly.

* Supports abortion, capital punishment, and euthanasia.

* Wants to either join the Civil Service, the Military, or become a lawyer.

* Eventually wishes to become Supreme Dark Ruler of all of mankind ((Yes, all of mankind. Anyone who dies is one less person to torment))

* Still, at least I admit it.

Ahem.

Kay.

Let me see. I'm evil...

List of Roania's good qualities

*Evil

* Lacks empathy for any other living thing

* Cares about people insofar as they can aid him, only has the slightest concern for things or people that don't help him

* Wants this entire world to be a grey color, where everything grows regimented and change happens slowly.

* Supports abortion, capital punishment, and euthanasia.

* Wants to either join the Civil Service, the Military, or become a lawyer.

* Eventually wishes to become Supreme Dark Ruler of all of mankind ((Yes, all of mankind. Anyone who dies is one less person to torment))

* Still, at least I admit it.
When viewed as a complete discription, the term "fatalistic attitude" comes to mind. A person who loves to hate, wants to see people they don't like die. If given their greatest wish, all people other than themself, die, leaving no targets of hate. Self elimination, nice plan.

Ahem.I know, just seeing where they will go.

The thread has quickly changed to "Is Racism nice."

If this is all there is to discuss, let's let it die. If someone else feels that utopia through censorship is the only route, and mods should censor unpopular politcal points of view then fine. Otherwise, a new thread might be better, tho not in the mod forum.