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I am also filing a "getting help" report on this, but since the region in question is very active, confirmation by a mod or another player would be helpful.

First, on the Regional Happenings of "Pacific Army":


4 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth departed this region for The Rejected Realms
4 minutes ago: The Truth Bringing Technocracy of The Savage Lands ejected The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth from the region.
6 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth arrived from The Pacific.
11 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth departed this region for The Pacific
13 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth arrived from The Pacific.
16 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth departed this region for The Pacific
19 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth arrived from The Pacific.


And look what he wrote in the region's Civil Headquarters:


12 minutes ago The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth Im going to cripple your communication just like your crippling that of the pacifics.An eye for an eye my boy.You see just as it says in the Old Testament.You have disrupted our board and I will destroy yours if you do it again.

Not again! After Papal's ejection, another player came in:


1 minute ago: The Dictatorship of Franco Is So Great departed this region for The Pacific
1 minute ago: The Dictatorship of Franco Is So Great arrived from The Pacific.
6 minutes ago: The Dictatorship of Franco Is So Great departed this region for The Pacific
7 minutes ago: The Dictatorship of Franco Is So Great arrived from The Pacific.



6 minutes ago The Dictatorship of Franco Is So Great You see.You cant deny the fact that you attackerd first.Spamming our board was wrong and you will pay the price if you do not cease.Go on cry to your moderators.You cant argue anf you cant fight.I think you should grow up before you play with the big boys.

We do have IP bans in NS I'm assuming...

We do have IP bans in NS I'm assuming...

Yes, but only Admin can institute an IP ban.

---Post deleted by NationStates Moderators---

We do have IP bans in NS I'm assuming...

Yes, but only Admin can institute an IP ban.

Rep? Violet? Come to me!

We do have IP bans in NS I'm assuming...

Yes, but only Admin can institute an IP ban.

Rep? Violet? Come to me!

Nope, just violet. Rep is forum admin, hence, she can only give forum IP bans, edit forum titles, descriptions, do style sheets, word censors, smilies, etc.

-Trousrs

We do have IP bans in NS I'm assuming...

Yes, but only Admin can institute an IP ban.

Rep? Violet? Come to me!

Nope, just violet. Rep is forum admin, hence, she can only give forum IP bans, edit forum titles, descriptions, do style sheets, word censors, smilies, etc.

-Trousrs

Ah...why thank you

ummm,,, does anyone have any proof that the savage lands was also flaming?

Can someone tell the uninformed masses what Savage was deleted for?

I have been informed by a Game Moderator that The Savage Lands and The Papal Commonwealth were deleted for mutual flaming.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

It wasn't mutual at all though, it was all coming from his side...

i'd like a little more info on this, how did savage flame him then?
was it on the regional boards, was it through telegram?

Out of curiosity, who deleted papal and savage?

I wouldn't mind knowing that myself. I still haven't gotten any response from a Moderator on the "Getting Help" page. I'd like to know what I said that was considered flaming....

mmm, i'd still like to know how he flamed, through telegram, onm the regional boards..

and also:

Since this is, essentially, as ressurrection request, and since it has been sent to the Getting Help Page...

Locked.

will you resurrect his nation?

mmm, i'd still like to know how he flamed, through telegram, onm the regional boards..

and also:

Since this is, essentially, as ressurrection request, and since it has been sent to the Getting Help Page...

Locked.

will you resurrect his nation?

One thing for us to want to know what happened, not sure that other players have much of a chance asking for others to be re-activated though.

If SLands doesn't get a response, or isn;t satsisfied with it, just to mention their is always the admin e-mail addie that can be used as well. Tho best to wait another day or so to se if you get a Getting Help response.

OK, this needs to go back on topic right quick. In response to the topic of this thread, please submit a detailed report to the Getting Help page, and a moderator will look in to it. Since you have some cut and pastes of the region board, a link to this thread in the report would not be a bad idea.

i believe kandarin already filed a report throught the getting help page about the spam..

but since that incident has something to do with savage's deletion, so we thought it was okay to discuss it here, but of course if you want us to make a whole new thread about it...

http://newpacificorder.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1069002984

Sure this wasnt a set-up?
:shock:

Must be a serious backlog on the "Getting Help" page. They couldn't pay me to be a MOD.....

mods don't get payed, they're volunteers..

they must be crazier than me..

I believe SL was sent up by Francos and the boys. Francos maybe not directly but Papal Nations and the other "outspoken" supporters of Francos have a real bad need to flame and troll.

This Pacific thing is really gotten out of hand.
Spamming
Flamming
Mass ejections
A "Opps Nevermind" by the powers that be
Invasion attempts
geez will it ever end

I have a question for the MOD/Admin. How many man hours have been spent on the Pacific?? Is it worth it?


Wheres that damn "RESET" button?? :evil:

If a nation breaks rules, they should be punished. It loks at though Papal was a flamer, and was deleted. Still, SL needs to own his responses... if he flmaed in response it is still flaming.

As to the reset button, very funny way to put it, but I see no reason to disregard FS right to be in the region just because you disagree with him. As to claiming FS might be responsible for Papal, you backed off of that but still not nice to make such insuiations, tho I know you are just upset.

You know I would like to see FS fall as well, but I believe he has been well within his rights.

If SL did flame, and I don't know if he did, then it is not Papal or FS's fault, it would be SL who should accept the blame.

I was there during the whole thing.

Then later when one of "the supporters" report to Francos that Papal nations died for "THE CAUSE" and should be named as a hero in thier forums.

Like I said SL was set up after the first incident between the nations.

I'm not upset at all. Except that this whole thing is still going on. This has caused alot of termoil in the NS..and has taken alot of fun out as well.

Insulting, bashing and alot of "what the heck is that all about" has really got the game dragged down. Wheres the role playing?? Not in the Pacific I can assure you. Not since this whole thing started.

No it is not a setup. More like frustration at being continually hounded by everyone with access to a keyboard and a minimal ability to spell or have an independant opinion. Were any other region to be subjected to the continual non stop torrent of abuse there would be serious consequences. Moderation has acted in a non partisan fashion deleting both parties and to insinuate this was a setup is tragically erroneous.

As far as being "More like frustration at being continually hounded by everyone with access to a keyboard and a minimal ability to spell or have an independant opinion."
Your the one who remains in the Pacific. Therefor a making yourself subject to such things.

Insinuate? Nope straight out saying it was a setup. You and some of your leaders supporters have gone to other regions doing the same thing you scream about the PA does to you. After Papal nations got delated you went straight after SL. When in fact there were others that filed a trolling report.

*sigh* Am I the only one who sees the tragic Irony of the situation? Whatever the case I won't rise to the bait Freemon. I personally see this as case closed but am interested to see if there is to be any further outcome.

The fact remains that I never flamed in response to Papal Nations flame-bait. If I did, I would own up to my actions like a man. There has been no proof presented by anyone yet of any derrogatory remarks made by myself towards Papal Nations or any of the puppets he created to spam the Pacific Army message board and regional happenings.

There are also many witnesses who saw the whole conversation unfold. Some of their comments can be found in this thread: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92961

I truly wish I had the foresight to save the whole conversation as proof of my innocence, but I wasn't thinking about that at the time. I was only interested in protecting my region from flaming, and alerting the Moderators to Papal Nations threats of hacking into the Pacific Army for the purpose of "destroying our communication."

Again, if you don't get the response you would desire, the mods have stated other times that it is acceptable to e-mail Max.

I have e-mailed him a few times when I've run into a wall, and I can tell you he was incredibly friendly and helpful. He has helped me to get around obsticles that shoudl not have been put in my way, and he has pointed out to me when I was wrong. either way he was helpful.

You may want to consider e-mailing him if you get no response.

fhdsjkg hifdhgidfg GO AWAY I am also filing a "getting help" report on this, but since the region in question is very active, confirmation by a mod or another player would be helpful.

First, on the Regional Happenings of "Pacific Army":


4 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth departed this region for The Rejected Realms
4 minutes ago: The Truth Bringing Technocracy of The Savage Lands ejected The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth from the region.
6 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth arrived from The Pacific.
11 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth departed this region for The Pacific
13 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth arrived from The Pacific.
16 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth departed this region for The Pacific
19 minutes ago: The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth arrived from The Pacific.


And look what he wrote in the region's Civil Headquarters:


12 minutes ago The Theocracy of The Papal Commonwealth Im going to cripple your communication just like your crippling that of the pacifics.An eye for an eye my boy.You see just as it says in the Old Testament.You have disrupted our board and I will destroy yours if you do it again.
:evil:

this would be the same papl nations who either had to be removed from the south pacific or tucked tail and ran before we could eject him? this would be the same papal nations who started to send me abusive tg's? (sorry didn't save those, i don't have the space to deal with SP issues and him.)

hold on for a minute. we save all the spam/abusive stuff on our offsite forum. i'll dredge him up.

i took this from the offsite forum of the SP and will post the URl where registered members can find it. These posts were copied from the warnings thread of the justice section of that same forum. They posts are from Oct 31st of this year.


82 minutes ago The Holy Empire of Papal Nations I AM THE POPE KISS MY ASS
52 minutes ago The Rogue Nation of Vincetonia What is a fact book entry
51 minutes ago The Rogue Nation of Vincetonia Sorry just saw at the top of this page.

40 minutes ago The Community of Zorlackia mmm chocolate martini
32 minutes ago The Holy Empire of Papal Nations KISS MY ARSE IN THE NAME OF GOD


16 minutes ago The Republic of PiSsShITtINgFUqErS i love you
1 minute ago The Holy Empire of Papal Nations And jesus loves you,so Kiss MY Arse



and this one:

6 minutes ago The Holy Empire of Papal Nations who the name of crap arse donkey turd are you.Im the pope Kiss My Arse

This is a starter region you have no authority do Kiss My Arse
5 minutes ago The Holy Empire of Papal Nations well done smart arse I cant see it.Kiss my smart arse

4 minutes ago The Free Land of Bistmath I asm the regional vice president and you are warned again.

you have to register.
bright little bunny, aren't you?
2 minutes ago The Holy Empire of Papal Nations Do you think Im going to register on that.This is a starter region, it has no true respect or authority.

Nice to meet an asm,whats that mr bright bunny
1 minute ago The Holy Empire of Papal Nations IM POPE JOHN KREESE.KISS MY BUTT
Seconds ago The Kingdom of TOOL a HOO you meat-head
Seconds ago The Free Land of Bistmath That's three. My reccomendations will be sent to the delegate.

enjoy your stay with kandrian.


i have been informed that the mods don't take offsite stuff as evidence but i still think it should be posted here.

and what was that all about?
that was in response to blobby, not to bisty ;)

Well it's been a few days since I sent my request on the "Getting Help" page. It really feels like my request is being ignored...

Well it's been a few days since I sent my request on the "Getting Help" page. It really feels like my request is being ignored...

It is not being ignored. You will no doubt get a response when they get to it, but the Game Mods have many, many requests for help to sort through.

I have your back SL.

I was there and saw the whole thing.

You where set up to take a fall. But SL Reloaded sounds pretty cool though.

This was posted on The Imperial Commonwealth forum:

89 minutes ago The Karate Dojo of Cobra Kai So I see you have read the NWE's tactics site Savage lands.Oh and we're to small to mess with you?How did you like being deleted?Yes thats right I AM PAPAL NATIONS,PAPAL COMMONWEALTH,THE PAPAL EMPIRE.I am the reason as to why the Pacific Army is founderless.I think we already messed with you big time.

It's a pretty obvious admission of flame-baiting. Bait which I never took, I'll say again.....

thanks for the tip. i think i'll keep an eye on him.
so 2/3 puppet's tanked?

I'm trying to figure out who's flaming who, but those deleted posts are not helping much. Was it that terrible? :x

Savage, did you say Poop again? :lol:

Pacific Freedom Force (http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_Pacific/)

we're trying to find out what happenend exactly, corinthe, but so far, none of the mods has responded, all they say is that savage flamed, but they won't tell how he flamed..

Even if he did..

He was set up to do so by Papal Nations who has a track record of doing such things.

I was there during round one and two and SL didn't do anything out of line. Fact is Papal and the rest came to the PA looking for trouble and make SL saying something that would get him deleted.

This like many things that concerns the Pacific, it has a foul stinch of underhanded play.
IMHO of course.

freemon, when others are flaming you, it doesn't mean you have to flame them back, there's no excuse for flaming people, if savage indeed flame, he deserved to be at least warned.

thing is, i wonder if savage really did flame papal, or that he was just reported for something he didn't do..

thing is, i wonder if savage really did flame papal, or that he was just reported for something he didn't do..

The Game Moderator who deleted The Savage Lands and The Papal Commonwealth told me that he personally saw those two flaming each other.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

okay, cog, but how? through telegram? on the regional boards?
i'm sorry that i'm pushing it like this, but without a founder, pacific army is open for invasions now, and i think the mods don't want to make another nation founder of the pa now..

okay, cog, but how? through telegram? on the regional boards?
i'm sorry that i'm pushing it like this, but without a founder, pacific army is open for invasions now, and i think the mods don't want to make another nation founder of the pa now..

I don't have the details; just a Game Mod's assurance that he personally saw those two flaming each other.

I'll direct his attention to this topic, but I can't guarantee that he'll answer.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Forum Moderator

And that was me. A constant cycle of complete disregard of each other, flaming and flamebait going back and forth. If they stop messing with each other (and it looks like they have) then I'm happy.

--Scolo

okay, thanks for the help, cog, it's appreciated ;)

that bad you needed to delete them both? and yes, it does seem they are leaving each other alone now..

mmm, i guess that means the pa stays founderless then..

And that was me. A constant cycle of complete disregard of each other, flaming and flamebait going back and forth. If they stop messing with each other (and it looks like they have) then I'm happy.

--Scolo

How happy? Can't you let them get off with a warning this time? This deletion is making things much more complicated, and the erasing of their posts is disturbing :?

Pacific Freedom Force (http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_Pacific/)

And that was me. A constant cycle of complete disregard of each other, flaming and flamebait going back and forth. If they stop messing with each other (and it looks like they have) then I'm happy.

--Scolo

How happy? Can't you let them get off with a warning this time? This deletion is making things much more complicated, and the erasing of their posts is disturbing :?

I sense a language problem.

Scolo tends to be happy when players don't flame each other. I think that this is what he meant.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

I sense a language problem.

Scolo tends to be happy when players don't flame each other. I think that this is what he meant.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

What happend with forum bans and such?

Pacific Freedom Force (http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_Pacific/)

i think forum bans are for flaming on the forum, cor, and they were flaming on the regional board, i think..

i think forum bans are for flaming on the forum, cor, and they were flaming on the regional board, i think..

That doesn't explain the forum posts deletions.

Pacific Freedom Force (http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_Pacific/)

maybe that happens to all the posts of deleted nations?

maybe that happens to all the posts of deleted nations?

Not all of them. For instance, Marathon's posts survive. The mods have the discretion to DEAT all of somebody's posts when their nation is DEATed.

huh? discretion?

do you mean they can choose if someone's posts get deleted or not?

huh? discretion?

do you mean they can choose if someone's posts get deleted or not?

I'm not a mod, so I can't say this with certainty. However, I am under the impression that when the mods DEAT a nation, there's an option they can select (but don't have to) that will replace all of their forum posts with----Post Deleted by the NationStates Moderators---- I'm not a big fan of this myself, but you will notice that some ex-nations (sucha as Raem and The Sean Empire) have that in all of their posts. However, some (such as Marathon and Beeker) don't, even though they were DEATed by mods, not for inactivity.

And that was me. A constant cycle of complete disregard of each other, flaming and flamebait going back and forth. If they stop messing with each other (and it looks like they have) then I'm happy.

--Scolo

Out of curiosity, what did I say that constitutes flaming? I certainly don't remember saying anything remotely bad enough to warrant a deletion. In fact, I think I was being totally respectful. I just wanted him to leave the Pacific Army alone....

And that was me. A constant cycle of complete disregard of each other, flaming and flamebait going back and forth. If they stop messing with each other (and it looks like they have) then I'm happy.

--Scolo

Its too bad you're not on during the day time North America time. Magunga I-XI is a far worse offender constantly trolling and flaming anyone who disagrees with him or his Anti Franco propaganda. He even goes as far as to TM you baits when you walk away. He gets banned he comes back as another incarnation. And yes, I have filed 2 reports in getting help.

have you included quotes? because from what i've seen i'd like to refute what you said black adder.

Of course. I forwarded copies of the TM's as well. Nice to see you're concerned with more than what's going on in your little corner of the SP.

i like to keep an eye on the pacifics. a sort of heads up for potential late nights for me.

And that was me. A constant cycle of complete disregard of each other, flaming and flamebait going back and forth. If they stop messing with each other (and it looks like they have) then I'm happy.

--Scolo

Its too bad you're not on during the day time North America time. Magunga I-XI is a far worse offender constantly trolling and flaming anyone who disagrees with him or his Anti Franco propaganda. He even goes as far as to TM you baits when you walk away. He gets banned he comes back as another incarnation. And yes, I have filed 2 reports in getting help.



How long ago?



Bold added by me....

Thanks for your assistance Moderation, it was getting most frustrating putting up with the baiting.

Why don't you put up the text of the t-grams here so others can see what you were subjected to?

Why don't you put up the text of the t-grams here so others can see what you were subjected to?

So I assume you don't trust Moderation's judgement? Would be poor form to advertise in such a fashion hence I air my dirty laundry only with them.

Why don't you put up the text of the t-grams here so others can see what you were subjected to?

So I assume you don't trust Moderation's judgement? Would be poor form to advertise in such a fashion hence I air my dirty laundry only with them.

Good judgement call.


~The Barkless Land of The Basenji~
Non-Moderator
Helping the good people of NS anyway he can.
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I challenge you to put up the TMs. I don't remember exactly what it was I wrote. I do know that at various junctures you called me a spammer (yet didn't back it up), a flamer (yet didn't back it up), and a troll (yet didn't back it up).

As far as I remember I was never anything but civil with you. I never called you names, and the t-grams probably only requested that you respond to my resquests that you identify what I did wrong in the forum so everyone can see.

Why are you so reticent to post the "offensive" messages?

I challenge you to put up the TMs. I don't remember exactly what it was I wrote. I do know that at various junctures you called me a spammer (yet didn't back it up), a flamer (yet didn't back it up), and a troll (yet didn't back it up).

It's not your decision on what happens, so there is no reason to prove anything to you...


~The Barkless Land of The Basenji~
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Helping the good people of NS anyway he can.
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Magungas is a far worse offender constantly trolling and flaming anyone who disagrees with him or his Anti Franco propaganda.

Actually, Black Adder, I don't think you could find one single message that I posted on the Pacific regional forum which could be classified as flaming or trolling. Most of what I did post was a running coloquy with Abysseria. It was entirely civil and reasoned. In fact, the last reply Abysseria sent to me, included this sentence: "Again, thank you for your civil discourse."

You have made many accusations, yet you consistently refuse to justify them. Again I call on you to explain what I did that was so offensive.

It's not your decision on what happens, so there is no reason to prove anything to you...

All I'm asking for is a little sunlight to show. I'm not sure what dog you have in this hunt, or why you want to keep this in the dark, but it does seem a little antithetical to any notion of justice. Rather it seems kind of uhh, Patriot Actish.

Magungas is a far worse offender constantly trolling and flaming anyone who disagrees with him or his Anti Franco propaganda.

Actually, Black Adder, I don't think you could find one single message that I posted on the Pacific regional forum which could be classified as flaming or trolling. Most of what I did post was a running coloquy with Abysseria. It was entirely civil and reasoned. In fact, the last reply Abysseria sent to me, included this sentence: "Again, thank you for your civil discourse."

You have made many accusations, yet you consistently refuse to justify them. Again I call on you to explain what I did that was so offensive.

It looks like the mods deleted your nation because of the proof B Adder provided. I think that he already proved his point. No evidence, then you would not have been Moderated.

Several of my puppets were deleted, allegedly for spamming. I have asked the mods to explain how they were spamming. I look forward to their response.

I'm at a loss as to why, if the messages were so offensive, Black Adder just won't put them up.

This is the response I received from the moderators:

"Let's put it this way... individually, no action was 'illegal.' Taken as a whole, the concept of the 'disposable just so I can tick of any player' puppeteering is unacceptable. We don't like the situation in the Pacific any more than anyone else, but look at it from our angle: No matter what we do, -hundreds- of people are going to be annoyed. It isn't hardly worth the effort... and, even with the situation, that gives no one any right to constantly bait another player, even if that other player -is- Francos Spain."

As I responded to the mods, I will respond here. I maintain that in no way did I constantly bait any other player. What I did send to Black Adder were requests for responses to a reponse I had made to accusation put forth by him (or her for that matter). They were civil and they were not "constant."

I put up various versions of the same nation, because it is nigh on impossible to express dissent on the Pacific board without being banned. I wanted everyone to know that it was the same nation, so as to be completely out in the open, and not hiding behind various different named puppets.

I still challenge anyone to bring forward any evidence that I flamed or constantly harassed any other player.

I'd like to see that myself.

*sigh*

It seems as though my thirst for explanation shall go unfulfilled . . .

Fifteen batches of unwanted messages from a single player sounds like spam to me; the fact that each nation only made one batch is irrelevant.

I think your point has been made... a lot of people despise Francos Spain, and a lot of people support him too. Nothing is going to change that, no matter how many Marungas XLVIs are made.

Not to mention, ever think what a few copy-and-paste puppets do to the server space on this site? For system stability, it is simply an unacceptable form of "expression." Eventually, Francos will throw out everyone who doesn't support him. Eventually, enough people will get cheesed off enough that they will get together and overthrow him. It's what happens to dictators. Scan the regional happenings for kicks and contact whoever he kicked by TG, if you feel so strongly about it. Organize a rebellion... but don't waste our server space or our time by trying to circumvent bans with cut-and-paste puppets.

We've done the same for other, less controversial delegates who had problems with people circumventing bans, and so, in all fairness, we had to do it with Francos too.

If you don't like that, I'm sorry, but tough. That's the established rules of engagement and I'm going to follow them. If you believe in your cause, then this won't stop you.

Oh, and just because we're silent for a few hours doesn't mean you're being ignored... we have real lives too.

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/scolo_mod.gifScolopendra der Game Mod

Scolopendra,

My thanks for your explanation. You make the rules, and interpret them, and if I want to keep playing the game I will have to play by them. I would note, however, that much of what was posted was in a running coloquy with Abysseria and was a discussion of the pacific and its current leadership. I'm sure they were unwanted by some, but they were definitely appreciated by others. I received a lot of tmail expressing appreciation and support for what I was posting, and quite a bit of it came from nations that stated they were afraid to say anything for fear of being ejected by Francos. On final note on the subject, I only ever got up to using XI, and never did get a chance to use some of the earlier versions due to preemptory ejections.

Regarding your perception that I am somehow upset with the mods for not geting back to me quick enough, that couldn't be further from the truth. I was impressed with just how quick I got replies to my queries. My real quest was to have black adder put up the allegedly offensive tm's so as to let anyone who was curious see just what was so offensive. Sadly, as it was on the pacific boards, Black Adder apparently only has the wherewithal to hurl jeremiads and then refuse to communicate further.

I have a question re: puppets. Is it only when they have the same name that there is a problem, or is it when the same ip address has a bunch? I guess what I'm really wondering about is whether the whole limitation on puppets rule a new thing or have I just not looked in the right places for guidance? I really thought that I was following the rules.

what i witnessed that day is in line with what has been stated by magungas. However i did not see the entire conversation.

Where can i find the rule about limiting puppets? i agree that it is polite to limit thier numbers but i haven't seen a rule about limitation.

sadly this thread is drwning the pacific problem once again. magungas if you wish to help with the overthrow of francos, please contact me.

I could well be wrong, generally am wrong.

It seems that the nations were deleted for flaming or trolling according to the Mods (I have not seen the proof, just interpreting what I read) not for having multiple puppets.

I could well be wrong, generally am wrong.

It seems that the nations were deleted for flaming or trolling according to the Mods (I have not seen the proof, just interpreting what I read) not for having multiple puppets.

According to the mod's explanation there was no single post that was in violation of the rules (unless I am reading the explanation wrong). In other words none of my posts could be considered a flame or trolling or baiting.

It is now my impression that a multi puppet nation posting non flaming, non baiting, and non trolling messages can nonetheless be deleted, because certain individual nations don't like it. As a sidenote, I would note that Francos Spain and Black Adder posted messages to me on the regional forum board that were much more personal and more easily categorized as flames or troll messages than anything I ever posted to them. But then given the cowardice of Franco's rule and Black Adders aspertions, I didn't really expect anything different.

Up to this point, given the considerable favorable interpretation of the rules to Franco, I thought that the mods were encouraging those who opposed FS to use all powers within the rules of the game to try and effectuate change. What I did seemed entirely consistent with the rules of the game as I understood them. If there is to be a limit on puppets perhaps it should be set forth concretely and enforced in kind.

I still welcome a full airing of the alleged offending posts, but I am under no illiusions that they will ever be made public.

Fifteen batches of unwanted messages from a single player sounds like spam to me; the fact that each nation only made one batch is irrelevant.


i think that's what caused your deletion, not the fact that you have a lot of puppets (i have over 110 myself) or that you moved them to the pacific..

Fifteen batches of unwanted messages from a single player sounds like spam to me; the fact that each nation only made one batch is irrelevant.


i think that's what caused your deletion, not the fact that you have a lot of puppets (i have over 110 myself) or that you moved them to the pacific..

Well, as you'll note from my post above that is actually factually (hey look I rhymed) incorrect. The only puppets that actually posted were Magungas II - III and V-XI. For those who don't want to do math that is eight.

I will concede that there isn't a principled difference between 2, 8 or 1000 puppets posting. I do, however, have two points of contention.

1) Unwanted messages. Who gets to determine what is an unwanted message. 1 nation, 10 nations, 100 nations? What standards apply? For what it is worth, I received overwhelmingly positive responses to what I was posting.

2) CG you state that you have over 110 puppets. One of the reasons Scolopendra posited above was that "copy and paste" pupppets take up lots of server room. I'm not sure what distinguishes a "copy and paste" puppet from any other puppet, but how could my 14 puppets be so offensive and your 110 not be?

I attempted to play this game within the rules. I have yet to have someone point out the rule on limiting puppets, and specifically what they can and cannot do.

an unwanted message is a message not wanted by the reciever, i think..

and most of my puppets just sit quietly in their regions, and talk to the people there, occasionally, i move one in the pacific, chat a bit with the people there, until it gets kicked out..

as far as i know, there's nothing wrong with that, in fact, i believe a mod once said that, although i keep getting kicked out the pacific, i can move in as many puppets as i want, as long as i don't start flaming, or break any other rules (and i think i also shouldn't spam up the regional happenings with them..)..

And my contention has been, and continues to be, that there never was any spam, any flaming, any baiting or any trolling.

The only bad thing I did, as I glean it from the mod's explanation, is that I used numbered puppets. Impliedly, if I had done exactly the same thing with non homologous puppets I would have been just fine.

If you don't get an answer you are satisfied with, you can always make your case at admin@nationstates.net.

Just know now, that is your last recourse, and Max may or may not agree with you.

Thanks Ackbar, I appreciate the tip. I'm not so sure that this particular issue is worth going to that length, although it had crossed my mind.

I'm just mostly bothered that FS and his cronies can say some pretty nasty stuff (and have you even seen what they consider humorous over on their offsite forum?) and yet when asked to explain or back it up they call it flaming or baiting. Maybe I should have gone to the mods first . . .

Thanks Ackbar, I appreciate the tip. I'm not so sure that this particular issue is worth going to that length, although it had crossed my mind.

I'm just mostly bothered that FS and his cronies can say some pretty nasty stuff (and have you even seen what they consider humorous over on their offsite forum?) and yet when asked to explain or back it up they call it flaming or baiting. Maybe I should have gone to the mods first . . .

They even had a little joke about me and my parents. There is nothing you can do about it, if it's offsite :cry:

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corinthe while he was discussing that offsite material, someone told the mods he was flaming/spamming. that is the central issue here. not the material he was discussing. (and it was in a roundabout fashion) i was more direct and reminded that it was against the rules to post things like that on the regional board.