NationStates Jolt Archive

An Open Letter to Mod Wannabes

I hope that the mod wannabes who see this respond to it, and in a polite, civilized fashion. Note that this isaimed at no one mod wannabe in particular, as I have seen around a dozen in the past month or so.

To the Honorable Mod Wannabes:

I have noticed of late many blatant attempts to become modertaors with nation who, if I were a mod or admin (although I am not, so I can not vouch for them), would be among the last people that I would have considered.

These attempts have ranged from open presumption that they will soon become a moderator to demands that they might become one.

These actions seem to me to imply that you might possibly be less than fit for the job. This is nothing personal against you. All of whom I have met personally are nice people, but here is how I see it.

First off and most importantly the mods have oft stated that there is no need for new mods. I have noted that it almost never takes-more than five-fifteen minures for foum problems to be resolved. This may seem long, but it is really nothing. Very often it is even shorter than this. Sometimes I go to modalert a new spam/flamebait thread with no responses, and lo and behold it is already locked and replied to by a moderator.

Secondly, by asking to be a moderator, you imply that you are taking on what is your right, when in fact you are taking on a privledged responsibility. Yes, responsiblitities can be fun(take Delegateship for instance although I assume that modship must be much harder), but, they are not something that you recieve rightfully as a reward, rather, something that you accept if you are needed for it.

Thricely, by assuming that you have the right to be a moderator, you behave with a bit of presumtious hubris, which I know makes me (I'm not sure about the mods), worried about how you would behave upon modification. I have noticed that some mod wannabes (not all of you, but many of you), tend to assume that you have a right to flame. Perhaps this is in imitation of the moderators, who often behave this way to spammers, but regardless, I have often seen mod wannabes flame hapless players who just hapenned to get slightly off topic. In short, if you do not have the patience to step back and take a look at the situation first, then you might wish to reconsider trying out for the moderator position, which I hear requires tremendous patience (a thing which us common folk are greatly lacking).

Fourthly, you should realize that there are several people who do much more for this site than all but two or three mod wannabes that I can think of have done combined (1 Infinite Loop sticks most firmly in mind). Of everybody who has ever posted a helpful comment, from what I can infer (as I can not read the mods minds I have to draw logical conclusions) there are a small numer of people whom I can think of on this site who seem to be at all potential moderators. Of course, my wager for the last round of mods would have been Sirocco and Ackbar, (as opposed to Sirocco and TG) so I'm likely wrong, but I still suspect that there is a rather small field of candidates, and I see scores of people making helpful comments daily.

Finally, assuming that the mods feel that your benefts outweigh your faults and you end up in the field, you can still not expect to become a moderator everytime soon. It took Cogitation and Sirocco months to become moderators, and we have not seen anybody on the forums as helpful as them since (even the three who I personally feel do the most for this forum together barely help out as much as Cog did and Siro did in the brief period between Cog's and his modification In my opinion).

If any of the mod wannabes whom I have not already beaten this topic to death (and in one case a near-flamefest which I admit I started) with would like to debate this with me in a polite manner, or if any mods would like to correct me on the area where all of my inferences are wrong then it would be greatly appreciated.

My two 144ths of a Drachauq,

Peace, Truth, and Justice,
Luke

Edit: names removed at a mod's request.

Very good discription of what it takes to be a mod. You did leave out a few very important qualifications:
1.) Have to be un-movable on their choice of actions.
2.) Have to be only willing to help people who agree with their opinions.
3.) Have to totally disreguard most ways to check against possible errors.
4.) Must be highly capable of beating around the bush when giving answers to concerned players.
But I agree that even with all those qualifications Moderators are needed in this game. At least the ones who are willing to help the player in need.

Saul 2 Paul, I've said it before and this is the last time I'll say it:

You were a perfectly reasonable person under your previous incarnation. More to the point, I was slightly on your side - although it wasn't my call. Let's not spoil things with one-eyed criticisms now. We as moderators have helped many more people than we've hindered and the facts of your case were such that an exception couldn't be made.
Is that so hard to accept?

Qaal-

Thanks for taking the time to write this out. You really described what it takes to become a mod. As I read over your post, a few choice names of mod wannabes pop-up in my head. I can see where you got most of your examples of how modwannas flame, and assume they have the God given right to become a mod.

Thanks again for writing this out, I wonder if it deserves a sticky?

(BTW- Don't count out on being a mod yourself. I would list you right next to Loop as one of those people that do more then they are reconized for.)


~The Barkless Land of The Basenji~
Non-Moderator
And so the paw of judgment falls upon the flamers, spammers, and just all around hosers of NS.
I'm helping to stop the Noobageddon before it starts.
http://a9.cpimg.com/image/25/D7/21759269-e5f1-00300030-.jpg

*is inclined not to sticky it right away, since a fair bit of it seems to be contained elsewhere and the forum is crawling with stickies as it is*

*is inclined not to sticky it right away, since a fair bit of it seems to be contained elsewhere and the forum is crawling with stickies as it is*

I know, but in my upmostly humble opnion, this was an awesome point made. Could you consider it? Pretty please? :wink: :lol:


~The Barkless Land of The Basenji~
Non-Moderator
And so the paw of judgment falls upon the flamers, spammers, and just all around hosers of NS.
I'm helping to stop the Noobageddon before it starts.
http://a9.cpimg.com/image/25/D7/21759269-e5f1-00300030-.jpg

I'll consider it, yes. I consider everything.

<snip>
Thanks again for writing this out, I wonder if it deserves a sticky?

(BTW- Don't count out on being a mod yourself. I would list you right next to Loop as one of those people that do more then they are reconized for.)
Sure, but Cog said that there will be no more stickies in the moderation forum for a while. I just got so ticked off at the obscene number of mod wannabes recently, that I did one of my rants edited to not look so much like a rant. I'm hoping that I can politily convince them that the have no chance.

As I mentioned, if they don't need one as a mod one has no need or right to be.

I'm flattered, :oops: but really, the only times that I don't say something that has already said before is when I'm ranting. Otherwise I'm just repeating what has been said before on the numerous threads that pop up because people never bother to read existin threads.

Peace, Truth, and Justice,
Qaaolchoura

I just hope that our argument was not the reason for this. Different does not mean wrong...especially when the difference is in opinions...

Very well said. I've been called a mod wannabe lately, and I don't see it that way. To me, it's not about the power, it's about helping those who want it, and safeguarding against those who would stain it.

Saul 2 Paul, I've said it before and this is the last time I'll say it:

You were a perfectly reasonable person under your previous incarnation. More to the point, I was slightly on your side - although it wasn't my call. Let's not spoil things with one-eyed criticisms now. We as moderators have helped many more people than we've hindered and the facts of your case were such that an exception couldn't be made.
Is that so hard to accept?
Enodia,
I do admit that number 2 and 4 were done in bad taste. For that I appologize. The most critical thing stated in my post is the very last sentence. The comment I am making is that Moderators need to be thorough. I never mentioned my case from before, due to total disassociation between the nations. The fact is, I never asked for any exception to be made. The fact that no exception was made, has no bearing. Previous determination, by the Moderators, is the reason I am letting my prior nation die (along with the puppet nation that was created at that time).
If you take offense at the things I said I am sorry. You are one Moderator that I have a lot of respect for because you try to help. If you feel that exposing my prior nations name is neccessary, then so be it. In approximately 20 days or so it will cease to exsist either way. I have only attempted to return, to the game, in hopes of being able to enjoy certain parts.
I am not attempting to be anti-moderation, I am actually for the Moderators and what they are supposed to do. I will attempt to word my posting more considerately in the future.

I just hope that our argument was not the reason for this. Different does not mean wrong...especially when the difference is in opinions...
No, our arguement was a minor straw, one of several, in fact your are probably of the Mod wannabes the one who I think would make the second best mod (after Naleth) , it's just . . .). It was Aust's "How do I become a moderator?" thread that broke the camel's back.

Alas...I am long past being a mod-wannabe

There was a time, when Enodia told me (whether it was truth or not...I'll never know) I was being considered. I made sure every word out of my mouth was clean, and I went out of my way to provide plenty of help to those nations in need of OOC assistance. I reported abusers of the system, and made a promise never to grief or flame. Since then, I've seen other people (some much younger) become mods...so I toned down my "devotion to being good" and decided it wasn't worth not speaking my mind on things. Perhaps someday I will be...but if not...I'll just go about my NS time RPing.

I'd love to be a mod...but if it cannot or will not be done...than so be it.

Well, in terms of "you are being considered", that's a bit of a long bow to draw. You'd mentioned that you wanted to be a mod and I'd put your name into the barrel at the next time mods were being appointed (NB: This was before the policy of "don't call us we'll call you" was codified). I don't recall saying "you are being considered" or anything like that.

*Remembers it well*

If I only had the telegram still...oh well...it's over with now.

Nice post, Most of my help lies in flag related stuff these days, but I still try to help when possible, regardless of what may be the problem.

Loop,

Heh, never wanted to be a mod. I immediately was able to recognize the position for what it was - a hopeless, thankless burden on your everyday life, where each and every action you take will be ruthlessly analysed, critizied, and generally contested; no matter what the action was. Your very presence on the forums brings an onslaught of useless and inane TGs flooding your all too small TG box. Your existence seems only to serve in telling people what common sense is. The game becomes no longer fun, but a chore, which now must be attended everyday religiously. Ah modship, how thankful I am that it is not I who has been cursed with it!

So how accurate was I? :wink:

VERY accurate. I detest being a mod on a forum of only 500 users. It must be an absolute nightmare here. *shudders convulsively*

I guess I would seem weird to you both, then! :lol:


~The Barkless Land of The Basenji~
Non-Moderator
And so the paw of judgment falls upon the flamers, spammers, and just all around hosers of NS.
I'm helping to stop the Noobageddon before it starts.
http://a9.cpimg.com/image/25/D7/21759269-e5f1-00300030-.jpg

I usually don't mind it on the forums that I Mod and/or Admin, but for some reason I think NS forums are worse than any other forums I've been involved with--when it comes to respect for the volunteers & staff that help out here.

*Runs into Unfree* "Fancy meeting you here!"

Oh, heh. At first I thought you were talking about these (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the_mod_wannabes) guys...

Hack, that was a funny region. Those poor sad fools. :lol:


~The Barkless Land of The Basenji~
Non-Moderator
And so the paw of judgment falls upon the flamers, spammers, and just all around hosers of NS.
I'm helping to stop the Noobageddon before it starts.
http://a9.cpimg.com/image/25/D7/21759269-e5f1-00300030-.jpg

I guess I would seem weird to you both, then! :lol: Very. What do you like about modship??

I usually don't mind it on the forums that I Mod and/or Admin, but for some reason I think NS forums are worse than any other forums I've been involved with--when it comes to respect for the volunteers & staff that help out here.

*Runs into Unfree* "Fancy meeting you here!" Hey Pope. [rant mode] I detest being a mod for the very reason that I have to go there every day. No free will about modship. And, there's only 500 users, but they're every one of them highly active, and there's way too many posts all the time. [/rant mode]

Oh, heh. At first I thought you were talking about these (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the_mod_wannabes) guys... nah, but that's a funny region :lol:
Basenji, great minds and all, lol

Wow, that is funny. Are they really still around? I'm a Counselor at a (Leadership, nonetheless) camp every summer and the kids end up doing a skit-parody of the staff each year without fail.

Perhaps the "Mod Wannabees" are correct, and we are all campers in the year-round camp called NationStates...

:shock:

lol

Whilst I do not know much about the technical side of the game, I too would like to become a mod, although I don't believe that it will happen because I am not very technical. :(

Very nicely said, and I agree 100% with you ... and with Bas, don't leave yourself out of that list. If they were considering mods, you'd be pretty high on my list of 'probable modships.' You say your just repeating things, but thats one (fairly big) part of being a mod. Don't under-rate yourself, you're very helpful on the forums from what I've seen.

Admittedly this is one of the best threads I've ever seen. All right, here's my $0.02 on this thing.

Personally, who cares if you're a mod or not? These people just want to be made mods because they crave attention [all right, so I wanna be a mod as well.... I wish]. These mod-wannabees pretty much, IMHO, wanna well gain respect they don't have. Have you seen the number of September nations trying to "help out" and start flamefests? From experience, [when I say experience I mean experience on two forums with about 1000 members in one and 50 in another] if you're a mod people just try to suck up to you, and some try to rebel. These, n00bs, pretty much, want people to suck up to them. If you havent gotten my point, these mod-wannabees want to be well-known, when they can be well known if they build a reputation [anyone remember Darkskye?] like Kitsylvania, or nowadays, Loop, or maybe Qaaol and Goober.

Basically, stop sucking up to the mods, MOD-Wannabe-es!
I don't think I've ever posted a rant, this may just well be my first. My $0.02 on this topic is complete.

Oh, heh. At first I thought you were talking about these (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the_mod_wannabes) guys...
No, I know about them, but I would have put it in the NationStates Forum, since it would involve regions. Understandable mistake though.

Whilst I do not know much about the technical side of the game, I too would like to become a mod, although I don't believe that it will happen because I am not very technical. :(
Although overall You are a nice person, you do tend to insult people while trying to "help out", although of all of the mod wannabes I'd say that you have the best chance of becoming a mod. (You have the best name recognition, and you are a December nation plus Corsario started a thread for you way back when).

But remember what I said earlier, modship is not something that you are supposed to want modship is a duty that you perform if you are needed.

I don't know Qaaolchoura.. you start out your thread by stating you're sick of the people who espouse to be mods. Then you gratuitously let us all know who you deem to be fit to be a mod and you're not even a mod yourself. Is that not in some ways being as self promoting while perhaps of others and not yourself as the mod-wannabes do? Just an observation.

Stephanie
Forum Mod

Modwannabee=Brainy Smurf, "Listen up everyone! Papa Smurf says you have to do things this way!"

Everyone hates Brainy Smurf.

I don't know Qaaolchoura.. you start out your thread by stating you're sick of the people who espouse to be mods.

Then you gratuitously let us all know who you deem to be fit to be a mod and you're not even a mod yourself.

Is that not in some ways being as self promoting while perhaps of others and not yourself as the mod-wannabes do?

Just an observation.

Stephanie
Forum Mod
It isn't so much people who aspire to be mods as people who vocally announce that they wish to be mods when they clearly have no chance. Personally I feel that rather than ask to be a mod, they should do something more productive. After all, being a mod is about helping out, and ou don't need to be a mod to help out.

Do you mean by this my responses to the people who are trying to be mods? I explained that this thread is to try to convince the mod wananbes to (well stopping I know would be impossible, but) at least tone it down. If you mean the six peple who I think have a chance, as I mentioned I can not read minds so I looked at frequecy and helpfulness of post to try to draw a logical inference.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. How can one be self promoting of others? :?

I know when I write just an observation I mean "no offense", and I can tell that you are pretty mad for some reason, and since you are usually very calm and collected, I must have done something hypocritical or offensive, although what, I am still not clear.

Peace, Truth, and Justice,
Luke

Thanks Qaaolchoura this was a great read... I found it very informative...
keep up the good work... I'm glad to hear who you think some of the new Mods should be, I like hearing other people opinions :D yippie...




not a Mod... (yet)

Very good post, congrats. *Claps*.

I usually don't mind it on the forums that I Mod and/or Admin, but for some reason I think NS forums are worse than any other forums I've been involved with--when it comes to respect for the volunteers & staff that help out here.

*Runs into Unfree* "Fancy meeting you here!"

Indeed...the people here are absolutely horrible when it comes to mod respect

Whilst I do not know much about the technical side of the game, I too would like to become a mod, although I don't believe that it will happen because I am not very technical. :(
Although overall You are a nice person, you do tend to insult people while trying to "help out", although of all of the mod wannabes I'd say that you have the best chance of becoming a mod. (You have the best name recognition, and you are a December nation plus Corsario started a thread for you way back when).

But remember what I said earlier, modship is not something that you are supposed to want modship is a duty that you perform if you are needed.

Ah...and I love it how Qaaolchoura is now the judge of who could become a moderator...at least in his/her head...

They have delusions of grandure.

not a Mod... (yet)

this is a great example :twisted:

I usually don't mind it on the forums that I Mod and/or Admin, but for some reason I think NS forums are worse than any other forums I've been involved with--when it comes to respect for the volunteers & staff that help out here.

*Runs into Unfree* "Fancy meeting you here!"

Indeed...the people here are absolutely horrible when it comes to mod respect
Bah, that's the nature of power-hungry mod-wannabes :P

Although overall You are a nice person, you do tend to insult people while trying to "help out", although of all of the mod wannabes I'd say that you have the best chance of becoming a mod. (You have the best name recognition, and you are a December nation plus Corsario started a thread for you way back when).

But remember what I said earlier, modship is not something that you are supposed to want modship is a duty that you perform if you are needed.

I have noticed that I can be rather brutal and 'sharp' with people when helping out, but I have tried recently to correct that and believe myself to be more 'sympathetic' to people's needs.

Ah...and I love it how Qaaolchoura is now the judge of who could become a moderator...at least in his/her head...
As I mentioned this is my opinion and I do have a tendency to be wrong. When Steph and Cod became mods I would have wagered on Cog and Loop, when Sirocco and TG became Mods, TG would have been near the bottom of whom I would have bet one (I would have wagered on Sirocco and Ackbar, as it became clear that NS needs Loop in the EP).

I simply try to draw inferences, from what little that I know, and much of it really is just pure opinion.

Eh, my $0.02...

All the mods are damn intelligent peoples. We're not easily fooled by those players that are simply brown-nosing. In fact, most of us detest the brown-nosing (I know I do). I have better things to do with my time than waste it being sucked up to.

As for those that feel the Mods dont always make the right decision, well, that's gonna happen. There are 2 sides to EVERY issue - and both sides are right. It all depends on what you're viewing. Most recently, I made a call in The Pacific. There followed some confusion, and thus a larger issue was created. However, the decision I made was flambasted for being a terrible decision because it allowed a dictator to remain in power - on the other end, I was attempting to protect everyone else, and act in the best interest of the game. There is rarely, if ever, an incident needing Moderator assistance that doesnt bring into relevance other issues, and we must think about the game as a whole, rather than simply that particular, single issue.

Eh, my $0.02...

All the mods are damn intelligent peoples. We're not easily fooled by those players that are simply brown-nosing. In fact, most of us detest the brown-nosing (I know I do). I have better things to do with my time than waste it being sucked up to.

Damn right! I couldn't agree with you more, the mods are really great people and they sure as hell deserve our respect. Especially Neut, who is quite obviously the best of the bunch. NationStates wouldn't be worth playing without him! I vote Neut as the best mod ever in the history of mods!




:P

*pets Myrth's head*

Wanna go get some ice cream there buddy?


j/k... ;)

:roll:

Yeth Mathter! Of courthe!

Eh, my $0.02...

All the mods are damn intelligent peoples. We're not easily fooled by those players that are simply brown-nosing. In fact, most of us detest the brown-nosing (I know I do). I have better things to do with my time than waste it being sucked up to.
Yes, but most of the mod wannabes whom I am thinking of do not brownnose so much as assume that they are going to be a mod soon, flaunt it, and/or assume that it gives them the right to flame.

I know that you (well there are a lot of you so, at least one of you must be fooled or flattered by the brownnosing at points) do not like the brownnosing, but the mod wannabes seem to have abandoned it for the most part in favor of presumption.

My two 144ths of a Drachauq,

Peace, Truth, and Justice,
Luke

Hmm... Perhaps brown would've been a more appropriate colour than yellow?

Eh, my $0.02...

All the mods are damn intelligent peoples. We're not easily fooled by those players that are simply brown-nosing. In fact, most of us detest the brown-nosing (I know I do). I have better things to do with my time than waste it being sucked up to.
Yes, but most of the mod wannabes whom I am thinking of do not brownnose so much as assume that they are going to be a mod soon, flaunt it, and/or assume that it gives them the right to flame.

I know that you (well there are a lot of you so, at least one of you must be fooled or flattered by the brownnosing at points) do not like the brownnosing, but the mod wannabes seem to have abandoned it for the most part in favor of presumption.

Which I may add gets quite annoying...

My two 144ths of a Drachauq,

Peace, Truth, and Justice,
Luke

Hmm... Perhaps brown would've been a more appropriate colour than yellow?
How is that brownnosing?

Which I may add gets quite annoying...
The brownnosing or the presuming of the right to flame or the presuming of the right to announce that one will soon be a mod? Or all three?

Funny how people are speaking out against other players doing that when a few weeks ago we Mods asked players to stop doing that and were the bad guys for doing so...


<-----Loves irony...

Funny how people are speaking out against other players doing that when a few weeks ago we Mods asked players to stop doing that and were the bad guys for doing so...


<-----Loves irony...
What did you ask players to stop doing? :?

I tend to only read the most recent new threads, and therefore there are gaps in my knowledge, whcich usually take a while to get filled in.

Asked players to cease responding to threads where a Moderator action is required...

Asked players to cease responding to threads where a Moderator action is required...
You did?

:shock: :oops:

:idea: Oh, wait, where a mod is actually needed to do something, not just where a question is being asked that in theory needs a moderator response, but that has has been asked so many times that the players all know what it is.


Is that what you meant?

Yes, we did.

And it was not the first time we'd made that request either.

Yes, we did.

And it was not the first time we'd made that request either.
I just realized, (see my edit above) do you mean when direct action (ie deletion or locking of threads) is called for or did you mean responding to moderation threads period?

I thought that you meant the latter just then, but I just realized that I might have misinterpreted.

All the mods are damn intelligent peoples. We're not easily fooled by those players that are simply brown-nosing. In fact, most of us detest the brown-nosing (I know I do). I have better things to do with my time than waste it being sucked up to.


If you didn't like the pie I baked you you could have just told me... :cry:

I don't know Qaaolchoura.. you start out your thread by stating you're sick of the people who espouse to be mods. Then you gratuitously let us all know who you deem to be fit to be a mod and you're not even a mod yourself. Is that not in some ways being as self promoting while perhaps of others and not yourself as the mod-wannabes do? Just an observation.

Stephanie
Forum Mod

:D which is why I find it funny that he hates me for doing this...


<--- not a Mod... (yet)

Ah...and I love it how Qaaolchoura is now the judge of who could become a moderator...at least in his/her head...
As I mentioned this is my opinion and I do have a tendency to be wrong. When Steph and Cod became mods I would have wagered on Cog and Loop, when Sirocco and TG became Mods, TG would have been near the bottom of whom I would have bet one (I would have wagered on Sirocco and Ackbar, as it became clear that NS needs Loop in the EP).

I simply try to draw inferences, from what little that I know, and much of it really is just pure opinion.

I wasn't angry at all when I made that post. I rarely get angry or at least when I do I control it very well. (I'm a parent)

Basically what I was saying was this.. in one breath Qaaolchoura says he's sick of the mod-wannabes and in the next he created this thread. Not that I really care to be honest.. it just seemed to be pretty ironic given his first statement that he hated when people did this.. and seems to have done it himself. Simply by creating this thread.. One would at the very least expect this to turn into a "who should become the next mod" thread. As for saying. "It's just an observation" I wouldn't read any more into that then was said. It was just an observation. ;)

:D which is why I find it funny that he hates me for doing this...


<--- not a Mod... (yet)
I don't hate you, I just find it ironic when you are a November 2003 nation.

I don't hate you, I just find it ironic when you are a November 2003 nation.
:idea: how is "November" ironic?



<---- now I'm just doing it for you

I wasn't angry at all when I made that post. I rarely get angry or at least when I do I control it very well. (I'm a parent)

Basically what I was saying was this.. in one breath Qaaolchoura says he's sick of the mod-wannabes and in the next he created this thread. Not that I really care to be honest.. it just seemed to be pretty ironic given his first statement that he hated when people did this.. and seems to have done it himself. Simply by creating this thread.. One would at the very least expect this to turn into a "who should become the next mod" thread.

As for saying. "It's just an observation" I wouldn't read any more into that then was said. It was just an observation. ;)
You must have been tired then, because usually you are one of a small group of people who never seem to make grammer mistakes, and I noticed a couple in the first sentence. Not to critcize you when my grammer(and spelyng) is horrible though. :P

How have I done it myself? I was merely trying to stop the mod wannabes from acting in the annoying ways that they do, and when you consider that only three of the ones whom I was thinking off (not counting the one who got deleted) when I wrote this thread have not resonded (and three who I never thought were mod wannabes have), as well as having two moderators on other forums (you guys haven't responded yet), confirm my suspicions, I'm hoping that it will have worked to some extent. :twisted:

If you are saying that I am a mod wannabe, well that is partially true, I used to be. Then after Sirocco and TG were modified and between them and Cog (Yes I know that the rest of you do a lot, but those three are the ones who really keep the forum running), I followed Cog's advice, and thought about it for a minute. It's a shame that the rest do not do the same.

Moderation seemed to be a tiring and thankless job, and my main reason for having wanted to be a mod (I hated the state of the forums), had disapeared almost entirely. Besides, now I can play around with my puppets, and make observations within the legality of the acceptable use policy. So I have no desire to be a mod right now. 8)

Of course it is frusturating to get a thread moved (and sometimes even locked), since very often you are loathe to move it the first time around, but I still do not see why people jump at the chace to be moderator so swiftly. The cons seem to be about even with the pros(and mind you, being me, I count having people hate you as a pro :P ) at the best of times, and outweigh them at the worst (if you are a mod then you will have to look at the goatze and tugirl threads in order to delete them).

And no, I do not want this turned into a "will/should be the next moderator thread" :evil: , I want a few more mod wannabes to see this and I want it to cut down on the "how do I become a mod" and "I deserve to be a mod" threads.

'K, I do tend to try to scan word for double meanings. I'm taking World of Lit II right now, so . . .

I don't hate you, I just find it ironic when you are a November 2003 nation.
:idea: how is "November" ironic?



<---- now I'm just doing it for you

Tactical Grace was a July nation who was modified in October, and that was early in terms of age for modification, and you are a November 2003 nation in November 2003.

You don't have to, after the intial shock wears off (like with Eridanus's old siggy, you likely haven't seen it yet, but root through some old threads in General and you will), I couldn't care less.

Tactical Grace was a July nation who was modified in October, and that was early in terms of age for modification, and you are a November 2003 nation in November 2003.

:idea: that's it, only four months? You make it sound like years!



<--- when I'm Mod everyone DIES

Tactical Grace was a July nation who was modified in October, and that was early in terms of age for modification, and you are a November 2003 nation in November 2003.

:idea: that's it, only four months? You make it sound like years!



<--- when I'm Mod everyone DIES
That was the shortest time period that I know of Cogitation was a December Nation modified in September or October.

I hope that's a joke. :P

I hope that's a joke. :P
:D it's an adaption from Manson's "When I'm God everyone Dies!"

and this"<--- not a Mod (yet)" was just to anger taco-bell boy and the other mod wannabes... they didn't get it and kept telling me that I shouldn't "imply" that I'm going to be a Mod... I love screwing with them...


<--- when I'm Mod everyone DIES

I hope that's a joke. :P
:D it's an adaption from Manson's "When I'm God everyone Dies!"

and this"<--- not a Mod (yet)" was just to anger taco-bell boy and the other mod wannabes... they didn't get it and kept telling me that I shouldn't "imply" that I'm going to be a Mod... I love screwing with them...


<--- when I'm Mod everyone DIES
Ah.

I see. :lol:

I wasn't angry at all when I made that post. I rarely get angry or at least when I do I control it very well. (I'm a parent)

Basically what I was saying was this.. in one breath Qaaolchoura says he's sick of the mod-wannabes and in the next he created this thread. Not that I really care to be honest.. it just seemed to be pretty ironic given his first statement that he hated when people did this.. and seems to have done it himself. Simply by creating this thread.. One would at the very least expect this to turn into a "who should become the next mod" thread.

As for saying. "It's just an observation" I wouldn't read any more into that then was said. It was just an observation. ;)
You must have been tired then, because usually you are one of a small group of people who never seem to make grammer mistakes, and I noticed a couple in the first sentence. Not to critcize you when my grammer(and spelyng) is horrible though. :P

How have I done it myself? I was merely trying to stop the mod wannabes from acting in the annoying ways that they do, and when you consider that only three of the ones whom I was thinking off (not counting the one who got deleted) when I wrote this thread have not resonded (and three who I never thought were mod wannabes have), as well as having two moderators on other forums (you guys haven't responded yet), confirm my suspicions, I'm hoping that it will have worked to some extent. :twisted:

If you are saying that I am a mod wannabe, well that is partially true, I used to be. Then after Sirocco and TG were modified and between them and Cog (Yes I know that the rest of you do a lot, but those three are the ones who really keep the forum running), I followed Cog's advice, and thought about it for a minute. It's a shame that the rest do not do the same.

Moderation seemed to be a tiring and thankless job, and my main reason for having wanted to be a mod (I hated the state of the forums), had disapeared almost entirely. Besides, now I can play around with my puppets, and make observations within the legality of the acceptable use policy. So I have no desire to be a mod right now. 8)

Of course it is frusturating to get a thread moved (and sometimes even locked), since very often you are loathe to move it the first time around, but I still do not see why people jump at the chace to be moderator so swiftly. The cons seem to be about even with the pros(and mind you, being me, I count having people hate you as a pro :P ) at the best of times, and outweigh them at the worst (if you are a mod then you will have to look at the goatze and tugirl threads in order to delete them).

And no, I do not want this turned into a "will/should be the next moderator thread" :evil: , I want a few more mod wannabes to see this and I want it to cut down on the "how do I become a mod" and "I deserve to be a mod" threads.

'K, I do tend to try to scan word for double meanings. I'm taking World of Lit II right now, so . . .

I might of been tired.. that's a fair statement. If I was read wrong or didn't make my post clear.. I'm sorry. It was just my opinion that creating this thread would end up in a "who should be a mod" thread which it kind of did. With no offense mostly by you.

Now while I have the up-most respect for Cog.. he's a great mod, I think you don't give us the credit we deserve. For example no one does more on the forum then actually Neut does. He's simply been away for a bit because he got married and was moving. Also, many of us don't broadcast all our actions that we take on the forums, however that doesn't mean we aren't working just as hard. We just aren't as vocal about our actions. I think that it's sort of insulting to TJ, Sirc, TG and myself for you to say that. I'm sure that wasn't your intention though.

Anyway.. it's really not a big deal. You're most certainly entitled to your opinion. I'm sure it's shared by some and not others. The only problem I really had with your post to begin with was that you yourself started naming off people who you thought should be mods. It sort of undermined what you seemed to be trying to say in the post it's self. I will tell you one thing (without naming any names) some of the people you think should become a mod will never become mods as some of those names have been discussed in our IRC channel. I'm not saying all the names you said... but some of them. I will of course not say which players you mentioned that pretty much don't have a hope in heck of becoming mods. So really it's more of a disservice I think to do that then a help. You might be getting some people's hopes up for nothing. I think the only time that threads like this or "Who would make a good mod" threads should come up is when the mods themselves ask for one.

Just my $0.02

I might of been tired.. that's a fair statement. If I was read wrong or didn't make my post clear.. I'm sorry. It was just my opinion that creating this thread would end up in a "who should be a mod" thread which it kind of did. With no offense mostly by you.

Now while I have the up-most respect for Cog.. he's a great mod, I think you don't give us the credit we deserve. For example no one does more on the forum then actually Neut does. He's simply been away for a bit because he got married and was moving. Also, many of us don't broadcast all our actions that we take on the forums, however that doesn't mean we aren't working just as hard. We just aren't as vocal about our actions. I think that it's sort of insulting to TJ, Sirc, TG and myself for you to say that. I'm sure that wasn't your intention though.

Anyway.. it's really not a big deal. You're most certainly entitled to your opinion. I'm sure it's shared by some and not others. The only problem I really had with your post to begin with was that you yourself started naming off people who you thought should be mods. It sort of undermined what you seemed to be trying to say in the post it's self. I will tell you one thing (without naming any names) some of the people you think should become a mod will never become mods as some of those names have been discussed in our IRC channel. I'm not saying all the names you said... but some of them. I will of course not say which players you mentioned that pretty much don't have a hope in heck of becoming mods. So really it's more of a disservice I think to do that then a help. You might be getting some people's hopes up for nothing. I think the only time that threads like this or "Who would make a good mod" threads should come up is when the mods themselves ask for one.

Just my $0.02
'K, sorry, as I said that was not intended.

I mainly see Cod, Siro, and TG, but I also pretty much only read Nuts & Bolts, and so I have a skewd perception. I know that Neut does a lot of policing in Anything & Everything and you do in Sound & Fury, and Tahar does a lot of policing when he's on his mod nation, but I was juststating what I see. Hack also helps out a lot, but mainly in Moderation and the Mod Center, and and Salusa for the brief period that he is on each day pretty much resolves everything in Tech and Mod single-handedly. I did not mean to offend you.

I did that because I hoped that giving names of people who I thought would have a chance of becoming mods would give them another cause to think. Since all of them have at least one thing which might plausibly disqualify them (GG-overly political to some people's minds, Ack-Invader, Loop-pro invader, and not like by the new plyers who try to seize delegacy in the EP, Kandarin- tends to ask questions which seem to annoy the mods Bas- has had at least one official warning, and Phobeos is not very well known), I'm haven't a clue as to which ones they might be, although I could try to remove the names without the paragraph collapsing.

Peace, Truth, and Justice,
Luke

Read the whole thread, sometimes it suprises me to see tension between players like this, where no one is really disagreeing on the principle that people always throwing their hats out for mod promotion can get annoying, and is actually cause for thread lock now-a-days.

All mention of my name aside, I think you made a very good post on the subject, the intial post. You did a good job outlying the issue, and I agree it can be annoying.

People tend to get a bit touchy on this subject, so I hope if it continues people just relax and discuss the issue without baggage.

...and Phobeos is not very well known...


Not to mention the fact that nobody can spell my name :evil:

...and Phobeos is not very well known...


Not to mention the fact that nobody can spell my name :evil:
You know i spelled it the correct way and then thought that it looked wrong so I switched it. :oops:

(if you are a mod then you will have to look at the goatze and tugirl threads in order to delete them)

Also, you are incorrect in this respect. The modCP of phpbb is such that topics can be deleted without looking at them (assuming the mods are sure that they simply contain such material)

(if you are a mod then you will have to look at the goatze and tugirl threads in order to delete them)

Also, you are incorrect in this respect. The modCP of phpbb is such that topics can be deleted without looking at them (assuming the mods are sure that they simply contain such material)
But how can they be sure without looking at them?

Some players could conspire to get a nation deadened if they knew that by having one report an innocous thread, and several others "check" and agree "this is awful" when a mod that they know is gullible around.

Just because a feature exists it doesn't mean that it is used. And our mods don't seem a particulaly gullible bunch.