Is the promotion of political parties allowed?
Catholic Europe
10-11-2003, 21:05
I was just wondering whether or not the promotion of political parties (especially extreme ones) is allowed on NS?
I know that this causes no harm to any one but I was just wondering the admin/mods stance on this.
Is this because we saw someone promoting the BNP in the General Forum?
Catholic Europe
10-11-2003, 21:11
Yes, notice why I put 'extreme' political parties in. :wink:
The Basenji
10-11-2003, 21:13
I have yet to see Nazis get banned for expressing their beliefs, unless they end up flaming or doing something stupid. There's a thin line with that stuff.
What do you have in mind that would make you ask this?
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Catholic Europe
10-11-2003, 21:13
No, the Nazi's aren't promoting any political party but are rather stating their beliefs.
Unfortunately, from my observations, I only have seen the banning of the Nazi Swastika flag.
I dont think what you ask is banned; people like Aryan Tribes after all keep posting those White Nationalist debates.
The Basenji
10-11-2003, 21:17
That's what debates are all about, trying to promote something by convincing others to belive in it. I looked up what you were talking about, and it looks ok by me. Unless a mod has any objections, which I doubt, this will stand.
Catholic Europe
10-11-2003, 21:28
No, we have to make the distinction between discussing and promoting your own personal beliefs and promoting a political party by posting pictures and, effectively, ads.
This is all I want to know.
The Basenji
10-11-2003, 21:32
If you belive in something, then it becomes your personal beliefs. So, in a way, you can't talk about something you belive in without it being your personal beliefs.
Maybe I'm missing something here. :? What is the person doing that, you think, would cross the line?
Tactical Grace
10-11-2003, 23:26
If people post political promotional content with some sort of debate in mind, that is probably OK. Now I cannot speak for other Mods, but if I see something which is pure advertising, I would personally consider locking and/or editing the relevant posts. Since I have yet to come across anything of the sort, I can only say that each case will be considered on its own merits.
Tactical Grace
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Spherical objects
10-11-2003, 23:27
No, we have to make the distinction between discussing and promoting your own personal beliefs and promoting a political party by posting pictures and, effectively, ads.
This is all I want to know.
I agree with you. The BNP is a far right political party in Britain. Now, a lot of what the nazsties say on this site is highly offensive but is tolerated. The display of the BNP poster/Ad however, is a commercial act. Yes, I detest what they stand for, but Cat is right, it is not about beliefs, it's about the promotion of an existing political party, which is seeking votes.
No, we have to make the distinction between discussing and promoting your own personal beliefs and promoting a political party by posting pictures and, effectively, ads.
This is all I want to know.
I agree with you. The BNP is a far right political party in Britain. Now, a lot of what the nazsties say on this site is highly offensive but is tolerated. The display of the BNP poster/Ad however, is a commercial act. Yes, I detest what they stand for, but Cat is right, it is not about beliefs, it's about the promotion of an existing political party, which is seeking votes.
I don't really see what the problem with that is. Would you have a problem with any OTHER political party posting info and "seeking votes" as you put it? (Isn't that what all political parties do?)
Rupert Superb
10-11-2003, 23:48
No, we have to make the distinction between discussing and promoting your own personal beliefs and promoting a political party by posting pictures and, effectively, ads.
This is all I want to know.
I agree with you. The BNP is a far right political party in Britain. Now, a lot of what the nazsties say on this site is highly offensive but is tolerated. The display of the BNP poster/Ad however, is a commercial act. Yes, I detest what they stand for, but Cat is right, it is not about beliefs, it's about the promotion of an existing political party, which is seeking votes.
I don't really see what the problem with that is. Would you have a problem with any OTHER political party posting info and "seeking votes" as you put it? (Isn't that what all political parties do?)
Yup! I would have the same problem. Ranting about nazsties is quite obviously la-la land but any current, topical party ads on this site, I believe, are banned.
Fyreheart
10-11-2003, 23:48
Not too much into international politics lately. What's the BNP?
Rupert Superb
11-11-2003, 00:57
Not too much into international politics lately. What's the BNP?
A British 'political' party, based on racial issues only, though their followers will say otherwise. Their leaders are all convicted criminals and thugs.
No, the Nazi's aren't promoting any political party but are rather stating their beliefs.
Ermmm, eh? The NAZI party is actually a politcal party that ruled Germany for a while. They had a famous leader, some guy named Hitler.
As to the extreme politcal party, I think TG covered it well. I would be careful what parts of the party you highlight, and if the party is a terroist group (The Taliban could be called a politcal party) you might be on very thin icing.
Collaboration
11-11-2003, 16:54
Thick icing is soooo much better.
Usually the terrorists (IRA) don't make themselves that visible; for political purposes they use a front group that can always disassociate from any violence, claiming lack of knowledge (Sinn Fein).
Tactical Grace
11-11-2003, 17:40
Let's keep to the topic, guys.
Tactical Grace
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Catholic Europe
11-11-2003, 17:50
I don't really see what the problem with that is. Would you have a problem with any OTHER political party posting info and "seeking votes" as you put it? (Isn't that what all political parties do?)
Yes, I would have a problem with anybody posting and promoting any political party. Have you ever seen me promote a political party on here?!
Fyreheart
11-11-2003, 18:15
Point blank, NS is not a place to advertise - period. Unless it's IC of course.
Point blank, NS is not a place to advertise - period. Unless it's IC of course.
Isn't this whole site a giant advertisment for a book :shock:
Texastambul
11-11-2003, 18:26
Point blank, NS is not a place to advertise - period. Unless it's IC of course.
:idea: Why, are you afraid of a political debate... or are you just pro-censorship as a general rule?
Fyreheart
11-11-2003, 18:33
Point blank, NS is not a place to advertise - period. Unless it's IC of course.
:idea: Why, are you afraid of a political debate... or are you just pro-censorship as a general rule?
I'm neither one. This site is geared towards gameplaying, and not advertisements. Wanna have a debate with me? Fine. Wanna try and recruit people for the Democratic/Republican/whatever party? No.
And to the comment about the book, yes, it is. Wanna take away JG? Cool. Bye bye NS.
Teaka-whatever your name is today, I'd suggest you watch it, before you get deleted again.
Tactical Grace
11-11-2003, 18:39
It is difficult to draw a razor-sharp line between debate and political advertising. But if it is felt that the line has been crossed in a post, particularly if it constitutes spam or trolling, then the post in question may be edited. That is where I stand on the matter. Now, do people have any on-topic comments? If not, take your debate to General.
Tactical Grace
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Texastambul
11-11-2003, 19:00
It is difficult to draw a razor-sharp line between debate and political advertising.
:idea: Thank you... The reason for this is because because the point of a political debate is to prove that your idealogy is superiour, or more correct if you will, and this is a form of advertisment...
But if it is felt that the line has been crossed in a post, particularly if it constitutes spam or trolling, then the post in question may be edited. That is where I stand on the matter. Now, do people have any on-topic comments? If not, take your debate to General.
Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
:idea: It seems that the the spaming and trolling aspects of these posts are enough to condemn them... outside of obscenities, aren't all spam the same...
Goobergunchia
11-11-2003, 21:31
I'm assuming my region is legal, because it's been around since May 17....
I don't see anything wrong with advertising a political party... (http://www.communist-party.org.uk/home/index.php)
Rupert Superb
11-11-2003, 21:51
I don't see anything wrong with advertising a political party... (http://www.communist-party.org.uk/home/index.php)
Exactly my point. Once you allow anyone to promote their political party of choice, using direct links and propoganda everyone will pile in. Either with their own website parties to 'counter' someone elses, or merely to spam.
Texastambul
11-11-2003, 21:55
I don't see anything wrong with advertising a political party... (http://www.communist-party.org.uk/home/index.php)
:idea: I agree with you competly... however, I believe you are supposed to list what you are linking to when you do that... (note, the problem is not the political nature of the link but the fact that the link is not clear on what it is for)
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