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Mods should be level headed, impartial, and helpful

TG will lock treads without explanation, when he does he has expressed powers that he doesn’t have. He has abused his fake power before, Like threatening deletion to a nation that wasn’t even a day old because that nation had posted a link to another on-line game..

Did he give that person warning or reason why what he was doing was bad?

Nope, he just threatened and locked

I have seen him go out of his way to insult players. That alone makes him a horrible mod. Mods have to held to higher standards, and unlike what mods like might think: doing stupid things like changing the way you sign your name doesn’t change that standard

TG when out of this way to insult Danya...

He is the worst mod I have seen

I know you will not strip him of his mod-hood because of what I think but I ask you look at his actions and at least tell him to shape up

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88915

admin@nationstates.net

:D Finally.

I have to say, I am really shocked by TG's post. I think a formal apology is called for.

This brings up an issue that I have been thinking of for a while. I think that Mods should have Mod nations that are used only for the purposes of modding. The mod nations should be judged by the admin, and all posts and tms they make should be scrutinized. I think that the mods should be allowed to say anything they want within the confines of the rules, just like any other player, as long as they do it with a non-mod nation.

I would like to give the example of law enforcement officers. They are strictly forbidden from expressing any political viewpoint while in uniform. Any statement they make, as well as any and all actions, are considered official while they are in that uniform. They are held accountable for anything that comes out of their mouths. Now those same police officers can go home and put on thier civilian clothes and protest abortion, or support the NRA, or even NAMBLA. They just can't do that in uniform.

I think the mods should be held to a similar standard. I think that what TG did was border line harrasment/ flaming. I think that he should be allowed to get away with it as a player, but certainly not as a mod.

Though he does seem to be a little lock happy (braging about 50 locks in 60 minutes) sometimes, I'd say he's decent. Linking to other games should not be illegal. I was given permission by [violet] to advertise my RPG as long as I didn't spam, which I didn't.

Well TG, you finnally got you're first hate thread! Defend yourself.

One note from a fellow official. The link to the game in question was an "out-war" variant which rewards players for duping others into clicking certain links. We do not permit these links on this site.

One note from a fellow official. The link to the game in question was an "out-war" variant which rewards players for duping others into clicking certain links. We do not permit these links on this site.

Gah, out war? Delete the...[cut off].

No, out-war should definatley not be allowed and considered spam, yes very much spam. I hate that 'game'.

My previous statement is retracted.

I didn't say that you should

but maybe it would have been more modly to give a reason to a brand new nation that doesn't know better then to threaten with a power he doesn't have then lock

I didn't say that you should

but maybe it would have been more modly to give a reason to a brand new nation that doesn't know better then to threaten with a power he doesn't have then lock

[I would agree there..]

Well, I haven't much of TacticalGrace's other exploits, but I've been parked here watching you guys mope and moan about how Danya's leaving. TG was merely letting his opinion be known, just because he's a mod doesn't make him some form of deity that has to uphold great expectations. Sure, they have to try and be neutral in conflicts, but that they are allowed to have an opinion, even if it clashes with your guys' poor perception of reality.

Mods don't have to be mods all the time. Though they are supposed to be good role models, in the case with danya, she is, whether you like it or not, a little.. she craves attention to live. She gets pissed at little things and TG, in my opinion, had the right to speak his mind. As long as it is not considered flame and is in the boundaries of the NS laws.

Moderators can not be perfect, for perfect is only an opinion, an unreachable goal. These people whom we so humbly call 'mods' put up with a lot of shit from people, and in my opinion, handle it well, considering they must moderate (...) over 78,000 people. If you think you could handle the stresses of a moderators job, you should really reevaluate the situation. Thats why we only have a select hand full of them and the process of choicing new ones is a tough one.

File your complaint to the administrators if you must, but in my opinion (that no one values) you expect to much out of our select few.

1) As Salusa pointed out, it would have been more appropriate to e-mail admin with this.

2) I do not believe TG was terribly out of line, if at all.

I am officially neutral on this matter, but would like one detail cleared up.

Danya did not post on the thread in question. Yet it seems that TG quoted her:






No offence girl, but you have serious attention-seeking issues. I hope you are playing these games on here as an outlet that avoids screwing with people in real life. Otherwise, I am disappointed.

I'm confused as to how he did this.

I am officially neutral on this matter, but would like one detail cleared up.

Danya did not post on the thread in question. Yet it seems that TG quoted her:






No offence girl, but you have serious attention-seeking issues. I hope you are playing these games on here as an outlet that avoids screwing with people in real life. Otherwise, I am disappointed.

I'm confused as to how he did this.

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Okay, so from that, I gather he just made it up? I'm lost.

we predicts a lock by TG when he sees this. therefore, must get my 2 cents in.
I think that TG definately owes NS an apology. i've seen nations DEATed for stuff like this. why should a mod be allowed to say this sort of thing when they should set examples for others? if vote-No more modding for TG.
oh, well, i can expect my DEAT any day now

Okay, so from that, I gather he just made it up? I'm lost. he is sayin that Danya is too much of a wuss to talk. i think.

we predicts a lock by TG when he sees this. therefore, must get my 2 cents in.
I think that TG definately owes NS an apology. i've seen nations DEATed for stuff like this. why should a mod be allowed to say this sort of thing when they should set examples for others? if vote-No more modding for TG.
oh, well, i can expect my DEAT any day now
He has locked threads for far less, for simply disagreeing with him. He seems to have contradicted a Game Mod. in another thread too.

I usualy support the mods in most things, but I really thinks that TG at least should give an appology, and for gods sake, not be so lock happy.

We mustall remember, every has flaws, some people have more flaws than others, that does not mean that they are bad people or are hatefull, take Menelmacar for instance, she has a temper, but is a good and even handed Mod. Same with most of our Mods, even Neut, who has drawn a lot of flak recently.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88998

If "silly" were a four letter word, it would be spelled "sily" :shock: humor anyone?

Okay, so from that, I gather he just made it up? I'm lost. he is sayin that Danya is too much of a wuss to talk. i think.

He's saying that even though she doesen't speak she's still being(and I quote) "an attention whore."

Moderators can not be perfect, for perfect is only an opinion, an unreachable goal. These people whom we so humbly call 'mods' put up with a lot of shit from people, and in my opinion, handle it well, considering they must moderate (...) over 78,000 people. If you think you could handle the stresses of a moderators job, you should really reevaluate the situation. Thats why we only have a select hand full of them and the process of choicing new ones is a tough one.

I think somebody wants to be a Mod..

File your complaint to the administrators if you must, but in my opinion (that no one values) you expect to much out of our select few.

:shock: don't be "silly" we all value your opinion

Moderators can not be perfect, for perfect is only an opinion, an unreachable goal. These people whom we so humbly call 'mods' put up with a lot of shit from people, and in my opinion, handle it well, considering they must moderate (...) over 78,000 people. If you think you could handle the stresses of a moderators job, you should really reevaluate the situation. Thats why we only have a select hand full of them and the process of choicing new ones is a tough one.

I think somebody wants to be a Mod..

File your complaint to the administrators if you must, but in my opinion (that no one values) you expect to much out of our select few.

:shock: don't be "silly" we all value your opinion
Dude, don't give them the satisfaction of deleting you and finally banning you. 8)

TG will lock treads without explanation, when he does he has expressed powers that he doesn’t have. He has abused his fake power before, Like threatening deletion to a nation that wasn’t even a day old because that nation had posted a link to another on-line game..
If what you said is true, you wouldn't see Tactical Grace having the title of "Forum Moderator" anymore. Not all moderator actions are up to your satisfaction. Don't like it, behave is the best thing to do.

For what it's worth, I'd have to agree with TROUSRS and Omz222 on this one...and with what Omz said before he edited his post, too. :wink:

He's saying that even though she doesen't speak she's still being(and I quote) "an attention whore."

You quote... but you don't actually quote Tactical Grace. Bad form to put words into people's mouth, Xyrule.


Now... contrary to popular rumour Mods are not only allowed to possess their own opinions, they are allowed to express them as well! It may come as a shock to some of you, but mods are people too... they have thoughts and feel as much need to express them as you do. Why do moderators not express their opinions more often and openly? Let me think...
*looks up at this thread* *looks at all the hate-mail in the linked thread*
Well, gee... I have no idea. Maybe its because if I were to say such a thing you'd dislike me, rebuff my comment and think less of my future opinion... but if Mod does it suddenly there is screaming, shouting, protests and people demanding their rights under the Constitution of the Forum-going People's Republic of Nationstates.

So in my opinion: no... Tactical Grace has done nothing wrong in terms of Da Rulz. He has done nothing he should be censured for by the site admin. On the other hand... this will probably serve as an object lesson to him of why Mods don't express their opinions so often.

Even if a lot of people share their opinions.

Please leave me out of this. I've always taken shit from him. Let TG insult me.

Everyone else does.

This thread is a joke...

Please...

Tell me it`s a joke.

Did it ever occur to you, Normack (and anyone who agrees with him...), that the mods are:

1. humans

2. players which volunteered for their job

?

Why exactly do you believe they do not have the right to express themselves? They`re not machines, you know... The nice link you posted... i cannot see that TG`s post is in any way a mod action. It`s a personal opinion. It didn´t break even a single rule. Yet you still complain. Why? I have to ask you, why? Since when is it an offense against the rules not to have the same opinion, friends, or whatever, you have?

(Normack is a guy)

Ladies and Gents, are people not allowed thier own opinion? Just because he's a mod doesn't mean you all have to have a go. I mean people slag off other nations all the time, and no one cares. But as soon as a mod does it, suddenly its breaking the law. Now i admit it's a bit out-of-order, but at the end of the day it's his opinion, and he is entitlied to it.

Trix

Though he does seem to be a little lock happy (braging about 50 locks in 60 minutes) sometimes, I'd say he's decent. Linking to other games should not be illegal. I was given permission by [violet] to advertise my RPG as long as I didn't spam, which I didn't.


I agree with this. I would also add that what he posted was not very friendly to Danya, but I have seen no precident declaring that Mods have to be friendly to players. I have seen much harsher posts by other mods in the past. Mods need to be fair, and it is icing if they are always nice and never get frustrated and saying something un-nice.

I conceed that the tone of my post in the thread in question was somewhat harsh and although posted as a player, unbecoming of a Moderator, and for that I apologise.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Everyone else does.

So you think a mod doesn't have his/her own right to express his/her own personal opinion? If so, explain why.

I conceed that the tone of my post in the thread in question was somewhat harsh and although posted as a player, unbecoming of a Moderator, and for that I apologise.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

For one I think that that was the only thing necesary, TG gave an appology, now let us forget that this happend.

Remember, all mods are humans, and all have flaws, when they show, we should remember that some times we are jerks or so on, and we should make a little room for them.

Pfft, some people will jump at the chance to have a go at the mods. TG is, in my opinion a Good Mod. I don't know about all these locks you are complaining about, but did you not see all the recent spam-fests?

As has been said, mods are people too, and (contrary to popular opinion) shouldn't have to keep their mouths shut all the time. TG didn't add his Moderator tag to that post, thereby showing it was an independent view.

I don't have a problem with what he posted....to be honest, if someone gets so 'hung up' over an online forum that they have to post 'everyone hates me', they deserve all they get.

I thought TG was gonna be a really good mod. But after having seen this 'infamous' post I certainely believe that he was 'out of line' and rude and deserves to give an apology and also give an account of his actions.

I thought TG was gonna be a really good mod. But after having seen this 'infamous' post I certainely believe that he was 'out of line' and rude and deserves to give an apology and also give an account of his actions.
:o I'm surprised C.E.

I thought TG was gonna be a really good mod. But after having seen this 'infamous' post I certainely believe that he was 'out of line' and rude and deserves to give an apology and also give an account of his actions.

He's already given an apology.

What do you mean by "an account of his actions"? He made a comment towards a player and he apologized. I'm not clear on what more you're asking for.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

I thought TG was gonna be a really good mod. But after having seen this 'infamous' post I certainely believe that he was 'out of line' and rude and deserves to give an apology and also give an account of his actions.

If you look a few posts before yours, he has apologised!

If the comment had just been made by a regular player, it would not be objectionable (if it ever was objectionableat all); stronger stuff than this appears on every thread every day.

Let's see, my thread on the Exterminance deletion is nowhere to be seen. Seeing as how TG has levied false charges against said nation, could he be responsible for the disappearance of said thread? I am beginning to suspect the personal integrity of this character.

TG when out of this way to insult Danya...

I don't think he insulted her, more like pointed out a fact.

Everyone else does.

So you think a mod doesn't have his/her own right to express his/her own personal opinion? If so, explain why.

How the hell did you get this from me giving permission for him to bitch me out?

Please leave me out of this. I've always taken shit from him. Let TG insult me.

Everyone else does.

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yo moderate me

MODALERT

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Everyone else does.

So you think a mod doesn't have his/her own right to express his/her own personal opinion? If so, explain why.

How the hell did you get this from me giving permission for him to bitch me out?

My guess: He probably thought that he detected sarcasm in your post.

Just a guess.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

Please leave me out of this. I've always taken shit from him. Let TG insult me.

Everyone else does.

http://www.hvizdos.com/eeyore.gif

Hahaha!! :D :D :lol:

That's one of the funniest responses I've ever seen!

How the hell did you get this from me giving permission for him to bitch me out?

Is all of this foul language really necessary to get your point across? Jeesh.

I think you are looking at this the wrong way. What tactical grace said should not affect his modding reputation. You must remember that moderators are people before mods, people with opinions and ideas that they can express, just like the rest of us. That right will not be stripped just because they are green and not blue. Yes, they are supposed to set a good example for the community, but, as stated, they are entitled to their opinion and do have the right to express it.

You also have the right to disagree with with that opinion just as you would do anyone else. But filing a report of a bad mod was, in my opinion, incorrect for the statements made about danya were not modly statements. A modly statement is locking a thread or deleting a post or answering a question. All tactical grace did was voice his opinion, which he can do within the boudaries of the nationstates rules. This is a faulty report because Tactical grace acted as a player, a normal user, not a moderator, when making his remarks.

Then again, what do I know? :wink:
<Trousrs>

I conceed that the tone of my post in the thread in question was somewhat harsh and although posted as a player, unbecoming of a Moderator, and for that I apologise.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Good on ya mate. I didn't agree with TG commenting the way he did and said so in the thread, I do not think it was a formal complaint issue.

and to all you people with you "the mods are only human" bleat, we are all only human but that is not an excuse for flaming

(not that what TG did was particularly a flame)

No, Tactical Grace didn't flame. Its was an opinion and a valid one that was nowhere close to flame.

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<Trousrs>

No, Tactical Grace didn't flame. Its was an opinion and a valid one that was nowhere close to flame.

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<Trousrs>
You really are bucking for Moderatorship, aren't you?

No, Tactical Grace didn't flame. Its was an opinion and a valid one that was nowhere close to flame.

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You really are bucking for Moderatorship, aren't you?

Not really..

Are you saying because I have an opinion that happens to agree with that of a moderators, that I want to be one?..

<Trousrs>

No, Tactical Grace didn't flame. Its was an opinion and a valid one that was nowhere close to flame.

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<Trousrs>
You really are bucking for Moderatorship, aren't you?

Not really..

Are you saying because I have an opinion that happens to agree with that of a moderators, that I want to be one?..

<Trousrs>
Nope, you are just always making helpful comments here......But ya know it doesn't matter anyway. The forums have been so affected and strangled by some Mods. that it doesn't matter who else gets in. Most anything can be locked or lied about and it doesn't matter, so good luck if you do become a Mod.

Nope, you are just always making helpful comments here....

I don't role play much anymore so in my spare time I try and help new players out and give them a few tips so they might enjoy this game and that makes me want to be a mod?

I think you should rethink on this situation, then again, this thread is not the place for this. If you wish to carry on, you can telegram me at any time.

The Communist Liberal-Hippie

TG is allowed his opinion. But as a subject to this game, we all have to worship him.

*Bows down*

How the hell did you get this from me giving permission for him to bitch me out?

What you did is essentially the same: bitch about TG. No offense, but from what I've seen, you did.

But since TG apologized, just move on.

Look, Tactical Grace apoligized. That's more than alot of us have done under similar circumstances.

Danya, you are not a subject of this game. No one is forcing you to to stay. Bow down if you like.. but I prefer to stand up and look the mods in the eye.

*looks TG in the eyes*

See.. I didn't get deleted or turned to stone or a pillar of salt or anything. :roll:

Isn't the dead horse bloody enough?
Should somebody go get the teacher? :roll:
It's *my* turn to use the crayons! :x
:lol:

Look, Tactical Grace apoligized. That's more than alot of us have done under similar circumstances.

Danya, you are not a subject of this game. No one is forcing you to to stay. Bow down if you like.. but I prefer to stand up and look the mods in the eye.

*looks TG in the eyes*

See.. I didn't get deleted or turned to stone or a pillar of salt or anything. :roll:

Bureaucratic Mod Slowness (TM).

Give it time. :twisted:

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

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I have a real question. Witht he forum this slow, how long until another crash? I bet within a week.

Ny, this goes deeper. He doesn't like me.

Let him delete me. I bet he's looking for an excuse. Want me to give you one, TG? So you can look good?

Ny, this goes deeper. He doesn't like me.

Let him delete me. I bet he's looking for an excuse. Want me to give you one, TG? So you can look good?

Please don't.

He's not even a Game mod....


and Damn this server

Actually, I cannot directly delete anyone. I can only make a request through the private Mod Forum or IRC channel. Often, the response is fast enough to amount to the same thing, but there is still a crucial difference - I am only calling in the nukes, not pressing the button itself. And let's face it, I could not really ask any Game Mod to delete anyone on the grounds of a personal dislike.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Ny, this goes deeper. He doesn't like me.

Let him delete me. I bet he's looking for an excuse. Want me to give you one, TG? So you can look good?

Danya, close your eyes and try to clear your mind of all thoughts. Relax for a minute or two. Then, open your eyes and reread your post.

Now, consider this question: Do you really believe that a moderator is looking for an excuse to have you deleted? Do you actually think that that is plausible and probable?

Don't give me an answer right away.

Now, speaking just as a player who's trying to help a friend, I'm asking that all discussion about mods looking for excuses to delete people cease... immediately.

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

Ny, this goes deeper. He doesn't like me.

Let him delete me. I bet he's looking for an excuse. Want me to give you one, TG? So you can look good?

Why not do this:

Move on. Don't like him, don't communicate with him. Ignore him.

He's not even a Game mod....


and Damn this server

You to? I think I'm just going to go listen to some games on NHL.com.
:D

Ny, this goes deeper. He doesn't like me.

Let him delete me. I bet he's looking for an excuse. Want me to give you one, TG? So you can look good?

http://www.hvizdos.com/eeyore.gif

"I'll just go out back and eat some thistles."

btw, I doubt he'd give u the satisfaction of suicide-by-mod.

Ah, the satisfaction of being right ...

But TG is right. I'm an attention whore who needs to be shot. Correct? Am I forgiven now?

Danya, with 70,000 nations whats the odds off TG going after you till ur deleted. Lighten up a little, a few more years of the shentavo academy would get your mind off of it.

Daniella is not a Shentavo, as Kain was banned.

Shentavo was banned? :shock: why?

No, from the clan!

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Ah, the satisfaction of being right ...

But TG is right. I'm an attention whore who needs to be shot. Correct? Am I forgiven now?

Danya, TG appologized. It would be gracious to accpet and move to the next point.

If something happens in the future, address it then. But for the moment, he has made good. I would hope you would accept his offer for apology.

Time to use the almighty brain.

Look, we all have people we don't like on this game, as well as in real life. That is a fact. This is a game, people. It's like we have gotten so wrapped up in it that we only care about people half-way around the world getting mad at us. I know there are people on this game that don't like me- and I could care less.

Tactical Grace: I hardly agree with you on anything, although it is never posted. What you said about Danya was something that shouldn't have been said, I don't care if you are a Mod. You don't scare me, or any other Mod out there. Your "Moderdom" means nothing to me. Your comment was a personal comment. It was in no way a good response to her post. However, I thank you for your apology.

Danya: The post you made, saying absolutely nothing, was nonsense. Although I see more stupid things posted than that, your post was not too bright. I don't agree with what Tactical said, but I have to tell you that when you talk as if you wish to be deleted, and try to bring depression or such into the forums, it is quite the temper tempter. I realize you have problems in life- so does everyone else- but I must say that ranting on and on about it in the forums like there is no tomorrow will do nothing for you.

Thank you for listening to my rant. Good day.

SC



Is in total and complete awe of Sniper Country.. :o

You should really consider teaching. :shock:

Time to use the almighty brain.

Look, we all have people we don't like on this game, as well as in real life. That is a fact. This is a game, people. It's like we have gotten so wrapped up in it that we only care about people half-way around the world getting mad at us. I know there are people on this game that don't like me- and I could care less.

Tactical Grace: I hardly agree with you on anything, although it is never posted. What you said about Danya was something that shouldn't have been said, I don't care if you are a Mod. You don't scare me, or any other Mod out there. Your "Moderdom" means nothing to me. Your comment was a personal comment. It was in no way a good response to her post. However, I thank you for your apology.

Danya: The post you made, saying absolutely nothing, was nonsense. Although I see more stupid things posted than that, your post was not too bright. I don't agree with what Tactical said, but I have to tell you that when you talk as if you wish to be deleted, and try to bring depression or such into the forums, it is quite the temper tempter. I realize you have problems in life- so does everyone else- but I must say that ranting on and on about it in the forums like there is no tomorrow will do nothing for you.

Thank you for listening to my rant. Good day.

SC

Slightly off topic... but didn't you quit?

In fact, I remember you quitting. TWICE! WHAT IS THIS?

Sniper Country, I ever made a post that said noting. There is a way to use bbcode to type up a quote. TG does this to a lot of people, and this isn't the first time he's done it to me. Look:

...

Again, he has appologized. I don't imagine you could have expected more from this situation. I suggest moving forward, and seeing how things go from there.

Again, he has appologized. I don't imagine you could have expected more from this situation. I suggest moving forward, and seeing how things go from there.

I didn't acknowledge you publically, but I wasn't ignoring you. I was clearing up something someone said that would make me look like a bigger ass.

How the hell did you get this from me giving permission for him to bitch me out?

Is all of this foul language really necessary to get your point across? Jeesh.

words like "Jeesh" and "Gosh" are worse than so-called foul language

And let's face it, I could not really ask any Game Mod to delete anyone on the grounds of a personal dislike.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

What if they pointed out that another MOD called you :shock: "silly," :shock: in that hypothetical situation could you have them deleated?

What if the mods aren't doing their job? Don't get me wrong, I love most of the mods, and think they are great. But TG goes out of his way to piss people off sometimes, proveking them to go off the edge. That's worse than being an attention whore in my book.

I'm sorry for whatever you guys say I did wrong.

What if the mods aren't doing their job?

admin@nationstates.net

Mods do not have access to this E-mail account.

Don't get me wrong, I love most of the mods, and think they are great. But TG goes out of his way to piss people off sometimes, proveking them to go off the edge.

Links?

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

I don't need them. Open your eyes and read he friggin' general!

I don't need them. Open your eyes and read he friggin' general!

No, post links. Evidence is necessary when accusing others of wrongdoing.

Ok.. I think every one get's the point here. I see nothing constructive in leaving this thread open. I'll take the flak if there is any.. but I'm locking this thread. If you want to complain to the admins about Tactical Grace you have the email addy.

Stephanie
Forum Mod