oy mods!
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Katganistan
31-10-2003, 21:30
Why did you lock my thread?
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87393
My guess would be because discussing a game in which there was non-consensual sex and publishing pictures of (admittedly) crude pixelated creatures fornicating, falls under "publishing pornography."
-Kat
Why did you lock my thread?
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87393
My guess would be because discussing a game in which there was non-consensual sex and publishing pictures of (admittedly) crude pixelated creatures fornicating, falls under "publishing pornography."
-Kat
Non Consensual???? Bollocks!!! How do you know? Never heard of S&M?
Crude pixilated creatures....this is 1982...think space invaders...this was the norm...
I remember when this game came out...and I see the moral majorty crowd is out...
(Kat - if I missed any sarcasm in your post I apologise...)
Katganistan
31-10-2003, 21:42
Why did you lock my thread?
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87393
My guess would be because discussing a game in which there was non-consensual sex and publishing pictures of (admittedly) crude pixelated creatures fornicating, falls under "publishing pornography."
-Kat
Non Consensual???? Bollocks!!! How do you know? Never heard of S&M?
Crude pixilated creatures....this is 1982...think space invaders...this was the norm...
I remember when this game came out...and I see the moral majorty crowd is out...
(Kat - if I missed any sarcasm in your post I apologise...)
Actually, I was serious. Even though the graphics are awful, it depicts two creatures having sex, and that is, in my opinion, why the thread was axed. "Pornography".
-Kat, not a Nationstates mod
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HC Eredivisie
31-10-2003, 21:44
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/01/30/australian.outback/story.cave.painting.jpg
So is this pornographic?
Crude nude people doing weird things...Might be sex eh? Dangerous stuff that warps our children!
why do i find that pic so scary :?
Posting obscene material like that will most likely result in your deletion Tumenia.
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HC Eredivisie
31-10-2003, 21:47
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/01/30/australian.outback/story.cave.painting.jpg
So is this pornographic?
Crude nude people doing weird things...Might be sex eh? Dangerous stuff that warps our children!
why do i find that pic so scary :?
It's an ancient cave painting...
i think it's creepy :|
Posting obscene material like that will most likely result in your deletion Tumenia.
And posting pic's of people burning won't?
Where? If it's deemed graphic then it will be deleted and the poster warned. Obscenity usually results in deletion however.
HC Eredivisie
31-10-2003, 21:48
Posting obscene material like that will most likely result in your deletion Tumenia.
And posting pic's of people burning won't?
Where? If it's deemed graphic then it will be deleted and the poster warned. Obscenity usually results in deletion however.
"the parodies on the US flag" thread in general.
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Fair enough if the mods have decreed that that is an obscene image.
I will trust that the Mods will be equally as effective in locking racist thread, religious threads that end up slagging off other religions, threads that contain graphic images of fighting...etc etc...
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Any threads that are deemed as flamebait will be locked. There's no excuses for pornography, children do use this site.
Could you provide a link to the American flag parody?
Any threads that are deemed as flamebait will be locked. There's no excuses for pornography, children do use this site.
OK well that about the silliest thing I have heard given that there are regular pro racist/Nazi posts.....
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for children seeing sexual images...well its not like it will tarnish them for life...yeesh!!!
Over protection is not a good thing....
Whatever Max Barry decides is allowed on the site is the rule. Read the FAQ.
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Goobergunchia
31-10-2003, 22:10
Whatever Max Barry decides is allowed on the site is the rule. Read the FAQ.
Remind me to never let my kids on this forum... :roll:
No offence...Anyone ever told you that you sound like HAL9000?
Relax, Dave. ;)
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Whatever Max Barry decides is allowed on the site is the rule. Read the FAQ.
oh really? So you call him everytime you need to make a decision?
also a link to this FAQ of yours would be appreciated...
The link to the FAQ is in the sidebar of your nation's page. That, you'll see, will tell you what's allowed. People are permitted to debate about politics.
The link to the FAQ is in the sidebar of your nation's page. That, you'll see, will tell you what's allowed. People are permitted to debate about politics.
oh and sex has no place in politics?
I do appreciate that you folks do do a job in moderating the various forums. But really I think that perhaps you might have overreacted...
Do I want to debate yes...if you have the time...
He posted a picture of a pixilated character raping another. I don't feel I over-reacted at all.
He posted a picture of a pixilated character raping another. I don't feel I over-reacted at all.
Really? Ok...this can easily de generate into minutea but I would like to point out that
- I get issues that I have deal with in my nation that are sexual.
- there have been threads that are as distasteful as the one posted.
Just because you do not like something you cannot bann it can you?
I do not understand the logic behind the locking of that thread...
Karmabaijan
31-10-2003, 23:01
Vonners, drop it. Posting obscene material on the forums is, has, and most likely always will be against the rules. Live with it, or I suggest you move along.
-Some of the issues' content may be sexual but it's not obscene.
-Give me links and if they are as obscene as you say, they shall be locked.
It's what Max Barry and [violet] don't like that gets banned.
He posted an obscene image. I locked it, edited out the image and had the offender deleted. Standard procedure.
Vonners, drop it. Posting obscene material on the forums is, has, and most likely always will be against the rules. Live with it, or I suggest you move along.
hey...don't pull that tone with me son.
I am trying to understand the criteria of what obscene is....
Sure that picture is obscene...so are some of the comments in the Christianity is the one true religion thread...
So are threads started by the racists...they are not there to engage people in political debate...and they are obscene...
They do not get pulled. Do they?
HC Eredivisie
31-10-2003, 23:17
]It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?
Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.
What can I post?
You can discuss and argue about almost anything, so long as it's vaguely relevant to politics or NationStates and doesn't fall into any of the categories below. You don't have to be politically correct, but you must maintain a minimum standard of behavior.
What can't I post?
Any content that is:
obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam
This applies to your nation's name, motto, and other customizable fields, any messages you write, images you post, or any other content you upload or link to NationStates. If you do, your nation will be deleted. See the site's Terms & Conditions for details.
Also prohibited is the practice of "griefing." Griefing is playing with the primary aim of annoying or upsetting other people. If you do this, the game moderators may take action against you.
-Some of the issues' content may be sexual but it's not obscene.
-Give me links and if they are as obscene as you say, they shall be locked.
It's what Max Barry and [violet] don't like that gets banned.
He posted an obscene image. I locked it, edited out the image and had the offender deleted. Standard procedure.
No I never said that the issues are obscene...some are of a sexual nature. This surely means that sex can be discussed....if Nazism/Racism is allowed to be discussed then so should sex...and obscene material...hey..its your standard not mine...
It seems a shame that it is selective though...
And yes I understand fully why you must make a stand agianst those who might post porn..I mean I am not THAT unreasonable...
Like I said I want to understand wihats what...rather than getting banned or rising the wrath of the mods and then getting deleted (finally) due to a bad joke...(I assume the thread orginator got deleted cuz of the HAL comment?)
Threads are deleted for obscenity, not for being of a sexual nature. Tumenia was not deleted for the HAL comment, it was because of the rape picture.
The rules are set out in the FAQ, I do not see any further need to debate them. Drop it.
Cogitation
31-10-2003, 23:26
There is a distiction between images and text.
Obscene images will be removed and the poster warned or deleted.
Text has more leeway. Explicit textual descriptions of violence are permitted in serious roleplays if the roleplay topic is accompanied by a "No Children" warning. I believe that a similar standard exists for explicit sexual text descriptions in serous roleplays with a "No Children" warning. However, they have to serve a purpose in advancing the roleplay and may not be posted merely for their own sake.
Graphic images of sex and violence are not permitted.
--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Forum Moderator
Threads are deleted for obscenity, not for being of a sexual nature. Tumenia was not deleted for the HAL comment, it was because of the rape picture.
The rules are set out in the FAQ, I do not see any further need to debate them. Drop it.
DOH!
Silly me...of course this is a one way conversation not a debate...you are not listening to me....luckily Cog has pulled yer arse out of the fire as it were...
Its a pity you could not state what Cog has instead of just avoiding the issue.
still who would want to be a Mod huh?
(hey no hard feelings on my part...obviously you did not understand that I was looking for some guidance....I admit my posting style is rather abrupt sometimes)
There is a distiction between images and text.
Obscene images will be removed and the poster warned or deleted.
Text has more leeway. Explicit textual descriptions of violence are permitted in serious roleplays if the roleplay topic is accompanied by a "No Children" warning. I believe that a similar standard exists for explicit sexual text descriptions in serous roleplays with a "No Children" warning. However, they have to serve a purpose in advancing the roleplay and may not be posted merely for their own sake.
Graphic images of sex and violence are not permitted.
--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Forum Moderator
Thank you for the info...that is pretty much what I wanted to get an understanding of....
An understanding of perhaps double standards going on?
I mean there are plenty of mods on this site...
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86592
Do I want to debate yes...if you have the time...
Ahem.
Do I want to debate yes...if you have the time...
Ahem.
Answering my posts with statements about FAQ's and Max Barry does not constitute a debate mate...
So why has this thread been allowed to live so long?
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86592
Because no one's reported it until now, and none of the other mods noticed it. Cheers!
Because no one's reported it until now, and none of the other mods noticed it. Cheers!
Fair enough...Like I said...Modding is not a bed of roses :)
I am surprised it was missed though given the amount of mods...
Still...I understand now what is not allowed to be posted...well I hope I have!
Everything's in the ettiquette section of the FAQ if you wanna have a look.
Everything's in the ettiquette section of the FAQ if you wanna have a look.
Just had a look...yer the only mod at the moment...so there are fewer than I thought perhaps? How many are there of you? and how do you co-ordinate your time?
(just interested in your set up as it were...)
Yes well given tonights example you might want to improve upon that...
Because no one's reported it until now, and none of the other mods noticed it. Cheers!
no...not reporting....using as an example.
I am having no part of the deletion of that thread. Given the choice I would not have locked it. However this is the way this site is run and I have no issue with that at all.
I trust that hopefully in future we will see more lockdowns of threads that are obscene both visually and verbally?
Everything's in the ettiquette section of the FAQ if you wanna have a look.
Just had a look...yer the only mod at the moment...so there are fewer than I thought perhaps? How many are there of you? and how do you co-ordinate your time?
(just interested in your set up as it were...)
Yes well given tonights example you might want to improve upon that...
See here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27307
We don't co-ordinate our time... just go on when it's convenient. It's not as if we're getting paid after all... :wink:
Because no one's reported it until now, and none of the other mods noticed it. Cheers!
no...not reporting....using as an example.
I am having no part of the deletion of that thread. Given the choice I would not have locked it. However this is the way this site is run and I have no issue with that at all.
I trust that hopefully in future we will see more lockdowns of threads that are obscene both visually and verbally?
Threads like this should be reported.
If the threads are reported in the Moderation forum, then something will be done about them. We can't comb through every single page of every single topic.
Because no one's reported it until now, and none of the other mods noticed it. Cheers!
no...not reporting....using as an example.
I am having no part of the deletion of that thread. Given the choice I would not have locked it. However this is the way this site is run and I have no issue with that at all.
I trust that hopefully in future we will see more lockdowns of threads that are obscene both visually and verbally?
Threads like this should be reported.
If the threads are reported in the Moderation forum, then something will be done about them. We can't comb through every single page of every single topic.
OK...fair play....you want to use the community to police itself as it were...a noble idea and one I would like to be successfull...
However I have an ethical problem with that as I think all subjects should be discussed (flamebaiting should, like spam be deleted)...but I know that this is not applicable on this site.
So does this come under the remit of locking?
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
I personally don't consider that to be trolling. (there's a sticky about the difference between flamebait and trolling in Technical if you wish to educate yourself)
If you feel it to be so though, I'll get a second opinion.
I personally don't consider that to be trolling. (there's a sticky about the difference between flamebait and trolling in Technical if you wish to educate yourself)
If you feel it to be so though, I'll get a second opinion.
So the image of the guy being burnt is ok?
Afterall it is violent and the statement could be interpretated as incitement of violence towards Arabs.
Its not what I feel. Its what you feel as you are the Mod. What are the limits? Its not something that is easily quantifiable.
Everything's in the ettiquette section of the FAQ if you wanna have a look.
Just had a look...yer the only mod at the moment...so there are fewer than I thought perhaps? How many are there of you? and how do you co-ordinate your time?
(just interested in your set up as it were...)
Yes well given tonights example you might want to improve upon that...
See here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27307
We don't co-ordinate our time... just go on when it's convenient. It's not as if we're getting paid after all... :wink:
Yeah had a read...like I said..I do not envy you folks at all...been there done that and had my fill :)
And not getting paid really sucks LOL
It seem the problem here is that you annoyed the liberals AND helped the conservatives. That is bound to cause trouble.
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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
Letilan moths! Yay!
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TEA1WL6tIGQC:w1.150.telia.com/~u15008589
I personally don't consider that to be trolling. (there's a sticky about the difference between flamebait and trolling in Technical if you wish to educate yourself)
If you feel it to be so though, I'll get a second opinion.
So the image of the guy being burnt is ok?
Afterall it is violent and the statement could be interpretated as incitement of violence towards Arabs.
Its not what I feel. Its what you feel as you are the Mod. What are the limits? Its not something that is easily quantifiable.
Actually I'd already edited that image out long before you brought this to my attention.
I personally don't consider that to be trolling. (there's a sticky about the difference between flamebait and trolling in Technical if you wish to educate yourself)
If you feel it to be so though, I'll get a second opinion.
So the image of the guy being burnt is ok?
Afterall it is violent and the statement could be interpretated as incitement of violence towards Arabs.
Its not what I feel. Its what you feel as you are the Mod. What are the limits? Its not something that is easily quantifiable.
Actually I'd already edited that image out long before you brought this to my attention.
Well it seems it has not worked as I saw that image just before I made the above post...
Be that as it may...that would be deserving of deletion...ok.
Thank you.
It seem the problem here is that you annoyed the liberals AND helped the conservatives. That is bound to cause trouble.
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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
Letilan moths! Yay!
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TEA1WL6tIGQC:w1.150.telia.com/~u15008589
Who me?
Furry Folk
01-11-2003, 01:09
For the one that wondered where the cave painting came from, it's here - http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/01/30/australian.outback/story.cave.painting.jpg
I personally don't consider that to be trolling. (there's a sticky about the difference between flamebait and trolling in Technical if you wish to educate yourself)
If you feel it to be so though, I'll get a second opinion.
OFF TOPIC: Why is it in technical and not here? Or both? Besides, I couldn't find it...
*goes off to have another look*
I personally don't consider that to be trolling. (there's a sticky about the difference between flamebait and trolling in Technical if you wish to educate yourself)
If you feel it to be so though, I'll get a second opinion.
OFF TOPIC: Why is it in technical and not here? Or both? Besides, I couldn't find it...
*goes off to have another look*
It's in the Sticky List.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74603
I personally don't consider that to be trolling. (there's a sticky about the difference between flamebait and trolling in Technical if you wish to educate yourself)
If you feel it to be so though, I'll get a second opinion.
OFF TOPIC: Why is it in technical and not here? Or both? Besides, I couldn't find it...
*goes off to have another look*
It's in the Sticky List.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74603
Pretty well hidden. First, I have to go to technical (which makes sense in a cynical sort of way), then I have to click "Sirocco's Guide to the Language of NationStates." and read through that one...
May I make a suggestion? Write "the law" regarding posts with the definitions and everything and put it on top of this forum, since it's here people complain after all. Might just make things easier for you! :wink:
Happy halloween!
I personally don't consider that to be trolling. (there's a sticky about the difference between flamebait and trolling in Technical if you wish to educate yourself)
If you feel it to be so though, I'll get a second opinion.
OFF TOPIC: Why is it in technical and not here? Or both? Besides, I couldn't find it...
*goes off to have another look*
It's in the Sticky List.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74603
Pretty well hidden. First, I have to go to technical (which makes sense in a cynical sort of way), then I have to click "Sirocco's Guide to the Language of NationStates." and read through that one...
May I make a suggestion? Write "the law" regarding posts with the definitions and everything and put it on top of this forum, since it's here people complain after all. Might just make things easier for you! :wink:
Happy halloween!
Sounds good to me....
It's being discussed, let you know soon.
Eet eez done.
*twirls moustache*
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It's harsh to delete people for asking questions, isn't it?
You got deleted coz of the video game pic apparently...
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It's harsh to delete people for asking questions, isn't it?
You got deleted coz of the video game pic apparently...
Some other guy locked the thread yesterday...Didn't see it as grounds for even a warning :?
When I asked WHY today: I got deleted :(
Thats a bit harsh!
I was not aware that your post was made yesterday...and that you got deleted today...
Sirocco (a Mod) said that you were banned coz of the pics...
This statement is in this thread near...
Something stinks here.
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How many times must I say this?
You posted a picture of pixilated people having sex. This is obscene. An obscene image will get you immediate deletion. I don't know why it wasn't reported before, but it should have.
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How many times must I say this?
You posted a picture of pixilated people having sex. This is obscene. An obscene image will get you immediate deletion. I don't know why it wasn't reported before, but it should have.
Yeah but if it was locked before the guy was deleted....
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OK, but I'd like to get a few things straight. An obscenity, is a sexually graphic post or image. Graphic pictures of people with their head blown apart can also expect to find themselves deleted. Show me this thread of dead babies and I'll do something about it. If it's not reported then it's less likely we'll deal with it.
OK, but I'd like to get a few things straight. An obscenity, is a sexually graphic post or image. Graphic pictures of people with their head blown apart can also expect to find themselves deleted. Show me this thread of dead babies and I'll do something about it. If it's not reported then it's less likely we'll deal with it.
Thats what I gathered...
Re the dead baby thread..I remember it..it was pictures of the aftermath of the gassing of that Kurdish village by Saddam...
Confused States
01-11-2003, 07:20
OK, but I'd like to get a few things straight. An obscenity, is a sexually graphic post or image. Graphic pictures of people with their head blown apart can also expect to find themselves deleted. Show me this thread of dead babies and I'll do something about it. If it's not reported then it's less likely we'll deal with it.
Thats what I gathered...
Re the dead baby thread..I remember it..it was pictures of the aftermath of the gassing of that Kurdish village by Saddam...
And the pic was used in a terrorist attack storyline so there was a proper IC reason for it being here. I think the pic came from a CNN section on the Iraq war, both parts of it. don't ask for the link I don't have it
OK, but I'd like to get a few things straight. An obscenity, is a sexually graphic post or image. Graphic pictures of people with their head blown apart can also expect to find themselves deleted. Show me this thread of dead babies and I'll do something about it. If it's not reported then it's less likely we'll deal with it.
Thats what I gathered...
Re the dead baby thread..I remember it..it was pictures of the aftermath of the gassing of that Kurdish village by Saddam...
And the pic was used in a terrorist attack storyline so there was a proper IC reason for it being here. I think the pic came from a CNN section on the Iraq war, both parts of it. don't ask for the link I don't have it
Well apperantly context is not taken into account.....
Tactical Grace
01-11-2003, 16:24
Context is usually taken into account. However, for offences such as posting pornographic images, no warning needs to be issued and the punishment is deletion. A Forum Mod will remove the offending image and might also lock the thread. A Game Mod will then delete the nation which posted it. Just because there is a time lag, even one of several hours, does not mean that punishment is not in motion.
Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
:D
On a side note:
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot more people found the union jack to be more pornographic than the picture that is discussed. I wouldn't be able to see what it was about if the original post hadn't more or less explained it. Someone said something about the letter 'D' to be more erotic than this particular picture. Did all of you see it? If not, take another look... Sometimes it's perhaps the own mind that makes a picture porngraphic, not the s.c. artist...
Context is usually taken into account. However, for offences such as posting pornographic images, no warning needs to be issued and the punishment is deletion. A Forum Mod will remove the offending image and might also lock the thread. A Game Mod will then delete the nation which posted it. Just because there is a time lag, even one of several hours, does not mean that punishment is not in motion.
Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
Thats fair enough. Out and out porn deserves that action without a doubt.