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Atlantic Alliance

30-10-2003, 17:31

30-10-2003, 17:39

From past experiences with them:
Ignoring them is the best way to get them to shut up. However if they are spamming you can report them in Getting Help. Here:
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=help

30-10-2003, 18:35

Just ignore them, as Grivinis said.

And hey, dont whine back. That is likely why they are doing it, to annoy you. They are acting like kids if they are doing this, so just ignore them. They will quickly lose interest.

Glad to help :)

30-10-2003, 20:14

thanks guys

30-10-2003, 20:15

What's next? You keep on sending me your stupid messages of betrayal, once calling me pussy, once calling me a donkey fucker, once calling me pig, and now calling me baby...

It's sad I didn't keep these telegrams because by now you would be deleted for flaming. Don't bother me anymore or any other member of the Alliance. Go feed your dogs elsewhere, cause they're shitting on my lawn.

Noone cares about your miserable, nazi, 13-nation founderless region.

Edit: Using phpBB code to avoid automatic censors is frowned upon. Don't do it again.

Tactical Grace

30-10-2003, 20:19

Flaming in Moderation, Fisz? Tut-tut, not a wise policy. Official warning.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

30-10-2003, 20:21

Flaming? Where the hell am I flaming? I'm pissed at that guy. I want him to do his business and leave me alone! From the beginning in the boards he has been treating me of Jew and other names! I have several witnesses! Yet you call me flamer?

Pfff. :roll:

Tactical Grace

30-10-2003, 20:28

I think you know to what parts of your rant I refer. You have flamed/flamebaited. The warning stands.

As for the wider issue here, if anyone wishes to make a complaint against anyone with regard to Game activities, I suggest you retain any evidence and submit a detailed Getting Help report. As a Forum Moderator, I can only go on what is said in the forums. Claims of provokation in NS World are, from my perspective, irrelevant. Do not argue here, use this link if you have proof of anything:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

30-10-2003, 22:19

See this is what im talking about. Ive never sent anything that fisz says i did.

I call for the Mods to please check the records of all my Telegrams to see if this is true or not if they want. I have nothing to hide. Its Fisz and his friends who keep telegrammin me and my loyal nations in my region.

I will not reply to anything anymore i just want to have them get over it and grow up

Tactical Grace

31-10-2003, 00:18

I was wondering where I had seen the name Fisz before. Turns out he is one of several puppets of a couple of racist flamer/baiter ex-nations. In view of this, I suggest you ignore him and do not allow yourself to be provoked. I will see what I can do about him.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

31-10-2003, 00:53

Yeah, I stopped posting racist posts for this reason. Just give me a break and tell Enotita not to spam me anymore. I really don't want new shit to happen. Just - give me a break. All. I'll stop posting here.

But still Enotita spammed me.

Spherical objects

31-10-2003, 01:23

[quote="Fisz"]Flaming?he has been treating me of Jew and other names!

Ignoring the grammar, is it acceptable for the word 'Jew' to be used, and taken as, an insult? I rarely mod but could the use of 'Jew' in that way be banned? No? I didn't think so, I suppose it would be impossible but could the mods perhaps 'advise' that 'Jew' be not used as an insult when seen? It is being used in the old nazsty sense as; 'vermin'....... Just a bit too much?

Ackbar

03-11-2003, 06:55

Members of this group are really starting to annoy me. They are all acting like little kids whinying about how they are going to go to the mods because i pulled my region from there alliance because of personal problems with Fisz. They claim im spaming them and harrsing them while they are the ones doing this to me. Is there anyone to shut these people up? Its so sad to see these guys crying over the fact that i wont give up my region to them. So they need to go and try to get in introuble for things im not even doing.

Understood. Why are you posting this in the Moderation forum? I don’t like tuna salad, but you don’t see me starting a thread about that.

Just ignore them, as Grivinis said.

Why? Why not infiltrate and invade them?

Flaming in Moderation, Fisz? Tut-tut, not a wise policy. Official warning.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I am not going to quote Fits on this, but thanks for the warning. Dunno the rules, but can you edit out the profanity from his post? If not, cool. Not against a swear or two, tho he said a couple of biggies in there.

I was wondering where I had seen the name Fisz before. Turns out he is one of several puppets of a couple of racist flamer/baiter ex-nations. In view of this, I suggest you ignore him and do not allow yourself to be provoked. I will see what I can do about him.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I know it is not your intent, and I hope you don’t take this wrong. Please be careful when posting this sort of thing in the future as it almost reads that you are going to go after him more aggressively because he is racist. I don’t think you intended that sort of favoritism against his way of belief, so I just wanted to post how it read.

hope I didn’t piss TG off, just saying how it read, not how it was written

The Most Glorious Hack

03-11-2003, 07:27

Dunno the rules, but can you edit out the profanity from his post? If not, cool. Not against a swear or two, tho he said a couple of biggies in there.

Already did.

03-11-2003, 08:12

I cant stand this! I just signed up to this site and what do I see? Filthy zionists?

What happened to First Amendment?

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Independant Pluto

03-11-2003, 08:18

I cant stand this! I just signed up to this site and what do I see? Filthy zionists?

What happened to First Amendment?

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MODALERT

Two posts, and both are offensive. BTW, the 1st amendment doesn't exist here. Read the FAQ.

03-11-2003, 08:20

1 Infinite Loop

03-11-2003, 08:52

you know under normal cirumstances the above post containing Ascii woudl trigger a reply, bear in mind a scathing anti Nazi post, but I will digress for the time as he will soon bring about his own demise.

03-11-2003, 08:55

noob.

Confused States

03-11-2003, 09:15

Go away Jew! WHy must you terrorize the white population? WHy must you control the media, including this site?

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^^^^^^ This Symbol(idicating the 'twisted cross') is VERBOTEN/FORBIDDEN on this site and is a deleatable offense if you insist on using it.

03-11-2003, 09:25

I promised not to give this I out but I feel that everyone should know so that they can an accurate judgement of the AA.

I was intersted in joining but couldn't do it after what I read.

This is what they sent me

From: Morgaine of Avalon
To: unkown
Posted:
Subject: Training Started
The first step is to take the following oath. Copy and paste the Oath into a PM to me seperate from the rest, replacing your name and nation name for the red text.

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I, Leader's Name , as the leader of the Official Full National Name , pledge that the information I am about to receive here will not be shared with or disclosed to nations or regions outside of the Atlantic Alliance. I make this pledge voluntarily, and hereby petition the Atlantic Alliance for acceptance into training as a soldier for Atlantic.
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The second step is to change your nation’s Motto to include [Atlantic]. The remainder of the motto is up to you. Be proud of your association with Atlantic, and make Atlantic proud of you. You do this by entering the Settings area for your nation.

The thrid step is to change your nation’s flag to the Atlantic flag of appropriate rank. This is also done in the settings area for your nation. Most of you will be Trainees, although occasionally, someone well-known to the senior officers of the Atlantic may be brought in at a higher rank. If you have not been told otherwise, your rank will be Trainee at the conclusion of this Orientation.
- Go to [http://chriszs.f2o.org/atlantic/developement/?flags/] Ranks of the Atlantic
- Right click on the appropriate flag (the larger of the two images)
- "Save Picture As" = save this image to your hard dravie.
- Go to Settings for your nation.
- Click "Create your own flag"
- Browse to find the saved image on your hard drive, and double click on it.
- Click Upload!
- Click Update Settings to save this.
- If you have followed these instructions, and the flag does not display properly, do not panic. Sometimes the Nation States server is slow in processing the upload, and the flag will process just fine in a few hours. Another possibility is that you may be viewing a cached page for your nation. Try holding down the CTRL button while clicking on refresh.

The fourth step is to display the correct avatar on this board. This is in the “profile” section with a link at the top of page. The correct avatar is the TRAINEE one for most of you.

The fifth step is to move your nation to the designated region within Nation States. This region is The Atlantic. There endorse Nussberg, if you are not a UN member Nation then move to ACC Boot Camp. There you are required to report in on the regional board.

The sixth, and final, step is to send a PM to me indicating that you have completed orientation and are ready to begin training.

part two

From: Morgaine of Avalon
To: ukown
Posted:
Subject: Training Module
This Training Module will have the new AA and the old ACC information in it, because to fully understand where our roots lay you need to have a full picture. The Atlantic Alliance has come out of the ashes of the Atlantic Central Command, so please read all of this and then I will send you the test, if you pass you will be made a Solider of the AA, if you do not then you will need to go through training again, also be advised that you will need to take an oath as well.

The ranks for members of Atlantic Alliance has 7 different levels. These are designated A(For Atlantic)1, A2, A3, up to A7.

A7 - Supreme Commander
A6 - Ministers (Heads of the different Ministries)
A5 - Colonel or equivalent - Staff Officers for the Commander and 3
Ministers

A4 - Major or equivalent
A3 - Captain or equivalent
A2 - Lieutenant or equivalent
A1 - Soldier or equivalent

Color coding indicates security level:
A5-7 Alpha - all areas
A3-4 Beta - Assigned Ministry
A1-2 Gamma - Assigned ministry + Security Council

As Trainees, you can consider yourselves an A0.

The Command Group is as follows:
A7 - Supreme Commander - MrNonchalant
A5 - Colonel - vacant
A5 - Special Aide - Nusseburg

This is the basic chain. Some Ministries have different titles corresponding to these ranks, which I will discuss later. You are expected to learn this chain and be able to repeat it upon command, and once you have completed training, and are given your first duty assignment, you should know who your superior is, and who his superior is, on up to the Supreme Commander, Accelsior. All orders will come through these officers. You are also expected to not only uphold it, but also to do so with respect. If you don’t, you WILL deal with me. I’m not going to go easy on you. I am the one who looks for slip ups. And I never repeat myself.

Objective 2: Learn ACC regions and commanders.
You must know all ACC regions and commanders of those regions. The
commander of a region is traditionally a Lieutenant (LT). But anyone from LT and up can command a region. This is something I'm not going to tell you. This is something you should do on your own.
Find out what the ACC held regions are.
Find out who runs those regions.
You don’t need to complete it, but it would be wise to do so. You are
not graded on them, and you will not need to post your findings, but it
would be wise to research them. I’m going by the honor system here. You
must keep yourself well informed about what regions we hold, and that
we don’t hold.

Objective 3: Learn ACC ministries and functions.
There are three Ministries within the Atlantic Central Command. Each of the remaining 3 modules will be presented by personnel from one of these, and will go into their functions and policies in detail. This is an overview.

I will start with the Ministry of Intelligence (Intel).
The Ministry of Intelligence is responsible for gathering and analyzing information about many nations and regions throughout Nation States. This is how the Intel structure breaks down:

A6 Minister: New People

ANALYSIS BRANCH
- Senior Personnel -
A4 - Controller
A3 - Coordinator
- Junior Personnel -
A2 - Analyst
A1 - Researcher

OPERATIONS BRANCH
- Senior Personnel -
A4 - Secret Agent
A3 - Agent
- Junior Personnel -
A2 - Field Agent
A1 - Operative

Now comes the Ministry of Diplomatic Affairs They are responsible for developing and maintaining good relationships with other regions and organizations. They also coordinate with our partners in formal alliances, such as the Allied Liberation League.

A6 Minister: Halmont
A5 Director: Pilmour

- Senior Personnel -
A4 - Ambassador
A3 - Envoy
- Junior Personnel -
A2 - Attache
A1 - Diplomat

Finally there is the Ministry of Military Affairs The ministry is responsible for routine operations of the ACC, overseeing the regions, recruiting, training, and administration of Military Justice.

A6 Minister: Raptor
A5 Colonel: Caesar

- Officer Corps -
A4 - Major
A3 - Captain
- Field Corps -
A2 - Lieutenant
A1 - Soldier

Training Grounds
Minister Raptor
Soldier Morgaine

New Units that are created

Unit 02 and Unit 03

Units of the ACC
Unit 02 Minister Raptor
Unit 01 Director Pilmour

With the changes in the ACC, and now the AA, to date you will need to try to keep up with what is happening, it is your job even after training to make sure you know what is happening, to do so you will need to check in offten.

Objective 4: Learn the ACC Code of Conduct

Regulations

1. All members of the Atlantic shall operate within the rules of NationStates, including only using one UN nation.
2. All members of the Atlantic shall check for orders regularly, with any absence longer than 72 hours requiring notification of your commanding officer.
3. All members of the Atlantic shall obey the commands of their superior officers, so long as they are permissable by the rules of NationStates.
4. All members of the Atlantic are not to reveal any information concerning the discussions here to other nations unless authorized to do so by a commanding officer.
5. All members of the Atlantic shall conduct themselves as befits professional soldiers in their interactions both inside and outside of this region.
6. DO NOT talk on civil comm boards about anything ACC-related
7. DO NOT undertake unilateral action
8. No matter what alliance we are members of, DO NOT move or take orders unless so ordered by a member of the Supreme Council.

Upon completion of training, all soldiers are expected to agree to this code, as part of an oath of loyalty. If they refuse, they shall not be admitted to Atlantic Central Command.

Enforcement

Any soldier or officer who violates these rules, shall face punishment from their respective Minister. Depending upon the severity of the offense, the Minister may choose only to reprimand the soldier, or to take them before a Tribunal.

In the event that the infraction is sufficiently severe to warrant a Tribunal, that Ministry shall convene proceedings. Three soldiers from that Ministry, chosen at random, shall hear the case, and decide whether the soldier in question is guilty of the charged offense. In the event that a majority decides that the offending soldier is innocent, there shall be no punishment. In the event that a majority decides that the offending soldier is guilty, they will recommend a punishment to the Minister. Ultimately, the Minister shall then decide whether to mete out the punishment of a reprimand, suspension, demotion, or expulsion. For expulsion, the verdict must be unanimous.

In the event that the offending party is a Minister, the same rules apply, save that the Tribunal shall consist of the other two Ministers and the Commander. The Commander reserves the right to select the punishment in the place of a guilty verdict.

Conclusion:
Read this presentation carefully. If you have questions, ask them in posts in this thread. Understand that much of this material ihas just been developed and implemented. It almost certainly will undergo further revisions. It is YOUR responsibility to read this board carefullyto stay up-to-date on these revisions.

Now for the basics of Inter-regional conflict. Things to be covered include how regions function, quirks of Nation States, and principles of tactical movement.

Objective #1 – Understanding Regions

The concept of regions within Nation States is to allow nations to interact with each other on a more intimate level than with 75,000 of their closest friends. Generally regions form around common interests. Some are groups of friends who know each other offline. Others are groups who post to the same message board (one unrelated to Nation States) and know each other from there. Others have formed to create Political Action Groups in order to increase their political clout in the UN. There are nearly as many reasons to form a region as there are regions.

As originally implemented, regions were controlled by UN delegates. The UN member nation with the most endorsements from other UN member nations became the UN Delegate for the Region. The delegate had some power, but not too much. He controlled nearly half of the voting power for the region. He controlled what was published in the World Factbook Entry for the region. He could not, however, throw someone out from a region, or keep someone from joining the region.

Chaos developed. Nazis posted hate slogans in regions perceived as too liberal or gay or anything else they didn’t like. Liberals baited conservatives. If a group wanted to be the region of Texas, and there was already a region called Texas, the newcomers would go and disrupt things as much as possible. The ultimate goal was to collect as many UN member friends as you could, and move into a region, and elect one of themselves as the UN delegate and to change the World Factbook Entry to something repugnant to the group there before. And thus region crashing was born. People would give up, create a new region, and just get settled when the bad guys would track them down and history would repeat itself. Eventually, people got tired of this, and Max & [Violet] got tired of hearing complaints about it.

UN delegates were given broad new powers. They could now:
Password-protect a region, allowing only people known to them to enter.
Eject disruptive nations, and ban them from being able to return.
This did not entirely prevent region crashing, however, but it did raise the stakes. The crashers, once they gained control of the UN delegacy could now eject all the former members, and could ban them from returning. This became known as griefing, and was quickly made illegal by the administrators. I will say this once, and once only. The Atlantic Central Command does not grief. Region crashing is considered part of the game and is legal. However, current ACC doctrine does not include unprovoked attacks on any regions. There is a fine line, however, between crashing, and liberating a crashed region, and “provocation” is in the eye of the beholder.

To help prevent regions from becoming victims of repeated region crashing attacks, a new status of Founder was created which also allowed one to have these functions, and to decide whether or not to allow the UN Delegate to have access to these functions.

Thus regions with founders can only be crashed by consent and/or failure to protect themselves with passwords or selective ejections of new nations. Even if successfully crashed, the Founder can unban himself, take away region controls from the UN Delegate, and eject the troublemakers.

Regions with good participation from their members can also have a Founder named. Generally, this is fairly easy if the person who really did create a region is still in it, but can also be done in selected situations if a majority of the nations, UN and otherwise, post in support of a particular nation’s becoming the Founder. As more and more regions have founders, potential targets for region crashing have become fewer and fewer.

In summary, defensive measures a region may employ include:
- Designating a founder.
- Protecting the region with a password.
- Watching carefully and ejecting unknown nations, especially if a large influx occurs. NOTE: This Is NOT griefing.
- Soliciting help from allies to come and endorse the current UN delegate.

Objective #2 – Quirks of Nation States affecting regions

One thing to understand about region dynamics is that often, UN Delegates are chosen by a small minority of nations, even a minority of UN member nations. A region with 50 nations and 20 UN member nations may have a Delegate with 8 endorsements. Thus an attack force of 10 can give one member 9 endorsements, and win the delegacy when the endorsements are counted.

Endorsements are counted in all Nation States regions somewhere around midnight Pacific Time. Endorsements happening shortly after that count don’t affect the Delegacy until the next day. So ideally invaders would invade just before midnight, and UN delegates world check things out just before midnight. But in a game like Nation States, where people from around the globe and on every imaginable shift play, such coordination is difficult to impossible.

It should be obvious at this point that only UN member nations matter in inter-regional conflict. It takes between 24-36 hours to obtain membership in the UN. This means that if you play by the rules, and resign from the UN, and apply for UN membership with another nation, you will be without a UN member nation for this amount of time. ACC members are professionals and will have only one UN member nation at a time. Planning is all-important.

Objective #3 – Principles of Movement

Movement from one region to another is logged on both regions Regional Happenings section. If you are in an Atlantic forward base, and are moving to defend an Atlantic ally, you orders may include keeping your Atlantic motto, and flag. Sometimes, however, there will situation in which you will not want to be easily associated with the ACC.

How others will recognize you:
Posting in a low-volume region may stay up for weeks. Anyone visiting that region will know you were there.
Being in the top 10 for the region you are in. The UN reports change out every day at around 8 AM Pacific time. Once you’re up there, you’re up there until 8 AM the next day.
Your movements are in the Regional Happenings until 10 more inward or outward movements occur.

If you are trying to maintain a low profile, don’t post to your region’s Civic Headquarters. When posting to an offsite board, consider using a name other than that nation name (e.g. a different nation name). Create and grow your nation to be an inoffensive centrist democracy; this helps keep it off Top 10 lists. Obviously, if you are in a region with 8 nations, you will always be in the top 10. Hide out in large regions with a lot of traffic. This also helps your travel clear from the Regional Happenings more quickly.

Move through several other high-traffic regions, such as the Pacific. Wait an hour or so between leaving your original region and arriving at your target region.

Understand, though, that if someone sees you somewhere of interest to them, and writes your name down, or puts you in his Dossier, or adds you to a list of nations to run XML scripts on, he will always find you, and can always track your movements. Sometimes, you have to not get too attached to a nation, and let it die and replace it with another one. It is a good idea to have a nation or two in development, as nations with 5 million people tend to be viewed with suspicion.

Section 3: History and Alliances – by Ministry of Diplomatic Affairs
Objectives:
Learn: Key events in ACC's past.
Know: The past Commanders and directions.
Understand: The present Alliances.

Our History

It all began with Nusseburg and Dosopan, our founders, the first victory was the UN Delegacy of the Atlantic, Nusseburg became founder and Dosopan Field Commander (he was also the delegate of the Atlantic)

Invasion Era

This goes from after the take-over of the Atlantic until after Iraq, we began with smaller unorganised regions like the Alliance of Soviet Democracies, but soon we began with the invasion of some Pacifics and Iraq. In this time our Opposition grew, by propaganda from people like Myrth and we became infested with Spies, it was for this reason that we lost in Iraq, the leader of the mission Dumah had installed a password but still we failed, it was obvious that there was a spy.

After Iraq, the East Pacific fell because of the same reason, from both cases we know that there was a spy and from both cases it’s still unknown who.

Defensive (1) Era

After the defeats Nusseburg decided to become a defensive alliance, this failed because at that moment people still thought that we were barbaric invaders.

Webdesign cracked our boards afterwards, and soon after that Nusseburg resigned, at that time we had a very ambitious Minister of Justice with all kinds of little projects, his name was Louldamin

Louldamin Era

Louldamin had a history, he had invaded several regions on his own but most important he filled up the part that was left behind by Nusseburg: Leadership.

He started the Blitzkrieg, we would attack several regions that didn’t have a founder, Louldamin was saying that he would attack Europe when the time comes, which was a diplomatic mistake in my eyes.

We attacked the Capitalist Alliance, this failed because of resistance from the inside, I personally was in this battle and this battle could have easily been won, in the future the Capitalist Alliance would prove to be one of our allies, it is involved in the MACTO which is part of the ALL and we are also involved in this organisation.

Soon afterwards he became pro-RRA while secretly doing an undercover mission, at this time there was a lot of anti-Louldamin Propaganda that only grew after the Capitalist Alliance attack.

Soon it seemed like there was a power struggle between the people that preferred the RRA and the people that preferred the Meritocracy, this was all fake.

After that, the mission in the RRA was revealed by Louldamin himself. Three senior members of the ACC, Dosopan, Nusseburg, and MrNonchalant conspired to get Louldamin removed from power. They succeeded, and there was a short period where the ACC was without a leader.

MrNonchalant Era

After this, MrNonchalant came in power. He changed us back to a defensive force; he also resigned and designated one of the founders of the Allied Liberation League to become the new Supreme Commander. After MrNonchalant came a mysterious new Commander… Accelsior

Accelsior Era

Accelsior was a very young nation, it was clear that it was created for the purpose of becoming commander, and it was led by a veteran with much experience in Nation States. It soon became clear that it was Thomasia, one of the senior leaders in one of our allies, the Meritocracy. Under his leadership we began rebuilding and restructuring the Alliance.
The real battle against the RRA has begun under his leadership; RRA hatred began at the ending of Louldamin Era.

Our Future

In our future there seems no place for any more Invasions; by our current policy, new Invasions will not occur. There seems more future in defending and liberating regions from Invaders, there will always be Invaders and it’s possible that we will be the Military Division of the Allied Liberation League, a growing Alliance.

After the Chaos it seems like the Atlantic Central Command is growing again, after the rain comes the sun.

Trainees, this chapter is about you; the Trainees are our future, we can have a perfect command structure and we can have the best ministers of the world but without the Trainees this all won’t work, it’s like a Tower, the top are the Ministers and the Commander but down low are the Trainees, if the Trainees would fall the Ministers will also fall, you could be more important than the Ministers, how would a Corporation work if there are only Managers?

Important Persons
-MrNonchlant
Our current Supreme Commander voted in by the ACC, taking charge and helping us to move forward. Out of the ashes of the ACC we now, under the command of MrNonchlant are the proud Atlantic Alliance.
-Pilmour
Our former Supreme Commander resigned the seat after a vote of no confindence by the members of the ACC
-Accelsior
Our former Supreme Commander, is actually Thomasia, the third oldest nation in Nation States and a senior leader in the Meritocracy.
-B4kst4br
Played an important role in various missions, was minister since Louldamin came in power. Has left us for the Mertoicarcy.
-Raptor
Now Minister of Military Affairs, and keeps the South Pacific on friendly terms with us, although a little uneasy.
-CroMagnon
He was our Minister of Intelligence for a long time but quietly resigned.
-Dosopan
He was our co-founder and our Field Commander for a long time
-Dumah
Was a lieutenant in some important missions
-Federation of Commercial Affairs (FoCA)
Led our attack against the West Pacific
-Franklin Mountains = harry chapin
This was a new nation to the ACC but is already doing some good things, is known in the Meritocracy as West-Texas or Sue. Staff Officer (COL) for Commander Accelsior
-Khammish
He was a Lieutenant for a time.
-Louldamin
Was the leader of the ACC for a time, he did some good things like infiltrating the RRA.
-New Ali
Was the opposing delegate of the South Pacific, which was supported by the ACC.
-Nusseburg
He was our founder and was our Commander for a long time. Currently Special Aide (A5) to Commander Accelsior.
-Qantrix
Played an important role in various missions, was minister since Louldamin came in power. Minister of Diplomatic Affairs.
-Reubenlucy
Was the defending delegate of the conquered East Pacific, joined the ACC and was a respected member.
-Minister Halmont
Worked with all the Pacific Regions, brought them to friendly terms with the ACC and now the AA. He helps to keep the peace with the Delegate of the South Pacific.
-Director Pilmour
Once Supreme Commander, now the Delegate of Byzantium, and doing a great job.

Regions and Alliances of Interest in Nation States:

Alliances
The Region Byzantium.
Maybe uneasy friendly terms with the South Pacific and the West Pacific.

ACC Enemies (nations)
-England that was once
This is a big person in the Freedom Alliance, it posted anti-ACC propaganda in the Iraq attack.
-Gres
The leader of the RRA, our current main rival.
-Kandarin
A big person in the Rejected Realms Army, probably the second one under Gres.
-KillerMonkeys
The Delegate of the South Pacific during our Attack, he is probably anti-ACC.
-Lord MurderKill
For some vague reasons he has infiltrated the ACC ranks and has posted much anti-ACC Propoganda, is probably sick in his head, our other enemies have also some good things but attempts to find this at him failed.
-Louldamin
Although he has been our leader, he did also some stuff that destroyed our reputation, like threatening Europe, and caused longterm harm to the ACC by misusing his authority as Minister of Justice (Military Justice is now a function of Ministry of Military Affairs) and creating widespread dissension.
-Myrth
Formerly the main ACC-resistance person
-Siggi
Also a big person in the RRA, is the leader of the RRA Enlistment, a Training Program.
-StAndrew
Defended against the attack on Iraq, afterwards he booted us and his opposition out of Iraq.
-Webdesign
Hacked our password-protected boards and put it on the internet.

Any Alliances that are mentioned here are now with the Atlantic Alliance, that is now us, we are no longer the ACC. Out of the ashes of our past Supreme Commander MrNonchlant will bring us once again to be ones that will lead in NationStates once again. Hail Atlantic Alliance, may we be forever.

In about a day or two you will get the test, so be ready.

part three

From: Morgaine of Avalon
To: unknow
Posted:
Subject: The Test
You have two days to get this back to me, the date is October 11 so have it back on October 13.

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1. The AA came about from what former Alliance?

2. Who is the Supreme Commander today?

3. Name 4 former Supreme Commanders?

4. Who is the one that changed us to the AA?

5. What does the AA stand for?

6. If you committed a crime against the AA, what would happen? Explain in detail.

7. If you are given orders and do not feel like following them, then what are your choices?

8. Who is considered the most important people of the AA?

9. If you are in the MoDA, who do you answer too? Give the whole chain of command.

10. Name three regions that the AA is over at this time.

11. Give the princple of movement.

12. When a nation that you control is "found out" then what should you do with that nation?

13. How offten should you check into these forums?

14. Where would you like to be placed after training?

15. Who would you let know if you found that one of the people you work with is a spy?

16. To be a Delegate of a Region, what should your rank be?

17. Name 3 Alliances that the AA has with other regions.

18. What are the three Ministeries of the AA?

19. What does each one do for the AA?

20. If you are given the chance to advance and you feel you are not ready, what would you do?

21. Who was an important member of the ACC that also betrayed us?

22. Who is was the only Supreme Commander to be removed from office because of a vote taken by the ACC members?

23. Who was the Delegate of the West Pacific and also a member of the ACC?

24. Who cracked the code and let all the secerts of the ACC out to everyone?

25. What is greifing?

26. What is spamming?

27. Does the AA do either one?

28. Name the Chain of Command for the whole AA.

29. If you move to another region and find that region to be hostile to you because of being in the AA, what do you do?

30. How do you catch a spy? Give 4 examples.

31. As a New Nation flying the AA flag you move to a new region and get this telegram:

Greetings! I am Futbol, first Poobah of the Dominion of Futbolistan, part of the great region of Soccerland. I see you are part of the Atlantic Alliance, a force with a long and glorious history in the world of Nation States. The nations of Soccerland are interested in coordinating a defensive treaty with the AA.
We ask for your assistance in this effort to create strong and lasting ties between our governments. Can you please tell me who the leaders of the AA are so that I may contact them? I would also be intereested in knowing an approximate number of nations that are in the AA so that we can decide if we are large enough to be a good partner to the AA.
Thank-you for your assistance and we look forward to a future alliance.

Sincerely,
Futbol

What do you do from there? Answer in detail.

32. Your unit is ordered to move into a region and endorse one of your unit members as the UN delegate. Your lieutenant suggests that when you get there, you endorse the current UN delegate to avoid suspicion, and then around 11:30 pacific time, or at the latest time you'll be online, cancelling that endorsement, and endorsing the designated nation.
What is one pitfall to this plan? (Extra credit available for additional pitfalls identified)

33. List the Minsitries and the Minsiters of them.

34. Give the second in command of each of them.

35. On the first day of training you were given two regions, move to the other region, but do so without being detected.

36. Say that you are in a region that you are active in, a nation comes on the message board and starts saying bad things about the Supreme Commander of the AA, What would you do? Give a detailed list.

37. Say that orders come for you to leave in the middle of a mission, and you are just close enough to the completion of your mission, what would you do?

38. What, do you feel are your best qualities? Give three of them.

39. If you do not get placed where you want to be, how will you feel about that?

40. Say that you are a recuiter for the AA, and when contacting nations or regions, you get alot of telegrams saying bad things to you, what will you do? Formal answer.

Source: AA forum

What I Saw was Region Griefting, as my Region was once greifted I could not partake in such activities.

people like the AA should be stopped

03-11-2003, 09:45

:lol:

Someone here doesn't understand the meaning of griefing. AA are region crashers, and even with such title do not focus on such activity, since more business is concentrated towards spying.

You are confused. :lol:

03-11-2003, 09:49

And personnaly, I would prefer the first post of this page dissapear. It's a promise not fulfilled...

1 Infinite Loop

03-11-2003, 09:59

[this post has been deleted by a GameFaqs moderator, at the request of the original poster]

03-11-2003, 10:03

Arf not you, the nazi noob.

And since when you're far right? :?

03-11-2003, 10:04

And personnaly, I would prefer the first post of this page dissapear. It's a promise not fulfilled...

You must realize the world is not a perfect place. Lesson one

03-11-2003, 10:06

Not a chance, you're a noob too. Learn your NationStates grammar. The AA clearly has nothing to do with griefing. Can you mention an example of a region griefed by them? If you do so I will believe.

03-11-2003, 10:08

*snicker*

I think I touched a nerver

03-11-2003, 10:08

03-11-2003, 10:11

03-11-2003, 10:13

They teach how to crash not grief. And crashing is fortunately legal.

03-11-2003, 10:16

You people in the AA are so short sight. you sit here the board and say

"NOT_A_CHANCE is a noob, blah, we're not wrong"

But did it ever occur to you that this country is just a puppet, so I don't have you spaming me with TG's. Think for a moment. you are just upset cause I post what you didn't want any others to see.

If it's no big deal then what I posted should be common knowledge for all.

If you are the good guys as you claim this will not matter.

03-11-2003, 10:17

I was not nor am I nor will I be in the AA.

03-11-2003, 10:18

I doing what i do am netural, however in my personal there are three tupes of these operations greifing, crashing and liberating- liberating is acceptable but the other two i despise, the AA should go to hell....yet like i said i'm netural 8)

03-11-2003, 10:20

03-11-2003, 10:21

Oh, Not a chance, you might have greater respect if you would not post under a freshly created puppet. What are you afraid? Repression? Dont you people have a bit of honor?

03-11-2003, 10:24

Oh, Not a chance, you might have greater respect if you would not post under a freshly created puppet. What are you afraid? Repression? Dont you people have a bit of honor?

still on netural grounds here- and you wonder why people don't like you, have you realised how annoying you guys can be? and you try to make it sound like what you are doing is OK :twisted: :evil:

03-11-2003, 10:24

I would like to pose a challange for Fisz. Since he functions as a Intel member of AA, let see how good he is.

It will be obivious after my post that security in the AA will be tighter. But the question is how I got this information.

Am I;
A current Member (Who is not happy)
A Old Member (Who was kicked and now getting my Revenge)

Or was the info passed along to me

My challange to Fisz is to Find out Who I really Am.

He has 24 hour to do so.

If he can convince me the he really found out who I am, then I may Pull my post.

Good luck, the clock is ticking

03-11-2003, 10:26

I bet- doing what i do- could find out first and i'm not even in the organisation- but then not my challenge- good luck Fizz

03-11-2003, 10:27

Oh, Not a chance, you might have greater respect if you would not post under a freshly created puppet. What are you afraid? Repression? Dont you people have a bit of honor?

You think that I created this country just for this thread. No, i created for another reason. It was just nice for this occassion.

I just want to have a little fun

make a few enemies.

you know make my life more interesting then what is now.

1 Infinite Loop

03-11-2003, 10:28

Arf not you, the nazi noob.

And since when you're far right? :?

oh Sorry, when I saw the post, I thought it was by the nazi, I aplogise for the rash statement.

:oops:

Loop

03-11-2003, 10:28

Who know this could be a chance for a permotion for all you AA members out there

03-11-2003, 10:30

1 Infinite Loop

03-11-2003, 10:33

Fisz, have you checked your Telegrams?
if not do so now.

03-11-2003, 10:34

still on netural grounds here- and you wonder why people don't like you, have you realised how annoying you guys can be? and you try to make it sound like what you are doing is OK :twisted: :evil:

Yeah, let's talk about it. What are we doing? Tell me. I'm not asking how we're doing, just what we're doing.

NOT_A_Chance, you miserable noob. Over the past week we had a bunch of new applicants. Stupid marriage, Sneak Theif, Trinium, Python. You're asking such noobish question when you should know I am OSS. You know what OSS is? No. f--- off.

OOH I'm sorry mr OOS. Did I not give you the respect that you demand from your subordinates.

Or maybe I was helping you by giving you a clue to as who i am.

As for Using such language is the F words. I would suggest that you refrain from using it. It only hurts your arguments.

03-11-2003, 10:38

Knock it off. Not a chance, you made an accusation towards the AA and you are unable to give clear evidence. Should I suggest a simple word: back up your statements, because you're the one stirring mess here. Until you give clear evidence of illegal action you arejust a troublemaker for me, and all other normal players.

03-11-2003, 10:40

But have I made any acussations.

03-11-2003, 10:42

Yes. You accused the AA of being region griefers without providing any evidence. And as they say here, you're innocent until proved guilty.

03-11-2003, 10:50

in your own document that i have provided in this forum.

You tell your members:
a.If ordered to do so crash a region
-Endorse the selected UN member with the aims of gaining control.

you even tell them what time would be the best time to do it.

In the document that I have given you tell people point by point how to Grieft

As for words how about this.

In your history explaination of the AA it reads

Invasion Era

This goes from after the take-over of the Atlantic until after Iraq, we began with smaller unorganised regions like the Alliance of Soviet Democracies, but soon we began with the invasion of some Pacifics and Iraq. In this time our Opposition grew, by propaganda from people like Myrth and we became infested with Spies, it was for this reason that we lost in Iraq, the leader of the mission Dumah had installed a password but still we failed, it was obvious that there was a spy.

After Iraq, the East Pacific fell because of the same reason, from both cases we know that there was a spy and from both cases it’s still unknown who.

for those who don't believe me please go the Page 2 on this forum a read my first post. on what the AA tells all its members Section 3

03-11-2003, 10:52

look here basically what i think the deal is and this is also the back up of my statements, the AA has announced that they do do regional crashing, and at a time the ACC was working on domination, now as much as the AA try and tell us they have changed face and are no longer working on world domination i find that hard to believe, I may be wrong but as far as i know not everyone was happy with the change and as far as i know the regional crashing they do is more than what they claim.

Once again this is only what i believe and everyone else has a right to disagree with me.

03-11-2003, 10:54

Yes. You accused the AA of being region griefers without providing any evidence. And as they say here, you're innocent until proved guilty.

Invasion Era

This goes from after the take-over of the Atlantic until after Iraq, we began with smaller unorganised regions like the Alliance of Soviet Democracies, but soon we began with the invasion of some Pacifics and Iraq. In this time our Opposition grew, by propaganda from people like Myrth and we became infested with Spies, it was for this reason that we lost in Iraq, the leader of the mission Dumah had installed a password but still we failed, it was obvious that there was a spy.

After Iraq, the East Pacific fell because of the same reason, from both cases we know that there was a spy and from both cases it’s still unknown who.

Sounds like Greifting to me. But then Again according to you I'm only a Noob

03-11-2003, 10:55

03-11-2003, 10:56

It's region crashing and it's official and legal. Everybody know. Now knock it off noob.

03-11-2003, 11:01

It's region crashing and it's official and legal. Everybody know. Now knock it off noob.

Or what you'll tell my mom

come on you can admit that what you doing is wrong, and it gets people upset.

Kinda of like the way you are at me right now. :D

the AA has admitily inavaded regions with the sole perpuse of of taking them over from the currnet inhabbitance. Thats Griefting

03-11-2003, 11:08

Read the stickies noob

What is Region Griefing?
Region Griefing is the malicious cousin of "region crashing". Where "crashing" involves moving several nations into a region at once and taking over the delegate-ship, griefing involves less savoury events afterwards.

And must I add for the fifth time that I am not in the AA.

03-11-2003, 11:11

03-11-2003, 11:12

<yawn>

03-11-2003, 11:13

I've played this game for nearly a year now, I've seen many things

03-11-2003, 11:20

Sure. Have a lollypop.

<yawn>.

03-11-2003, 11:25

Thanks I love lollypops have had one in ages

*Takes Candy and enjoy's it*

03-11-2003, 11:26

children... :roll:

Will you people learn to read and understand what you read? SHit, go to school and get a degree or something, or at least finish your third grade.

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"Men are generally more careful of the breed of their dogs and horses than of their children.
William Penn, Fruits of Solitude

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Tarrican

03-11-2003, 12:35

Wow, Blue Eyed Devil... that managed to be the most childish accusation of people acting like children that I have heard for quite a while.

Now... I really ought not to care at all about this thread, but I am a regional delegate and so it does concern me that organisations exist solely for the purpose of taking control of regions and pissing off the people who created it.

Even if it is 'legal', it still sucks. Appologies for the lack of elloquence, but really! How can leaping ten people into a region created by a group of people who want to interact, then grabbing control and changing everything about the region be considered anything other than getting your jollies at the expense of others? To me it is petty, irritating and frankly, its just bullying.

As for the AA itself... well, I guess how good it is depends on whether you get a free decoder ring to send each other secret messages with! Yeah, I found that training doc frikking hillarious for its pseudo-militeristic illuminatic pretentions. Test their capacity to cut and paste from an email they recieved a day ago!

*sigh* When will there be a 'secret power group' in NationStates that actually is secret... and doesn't declare its secretive nature in every member's motto and flag?

To sumarise my opinions:
Region Crashing = Bad and Wrong.
AA = silly.

03-11-2003, 12:49

<sight>

People can be really [insert flame here] sometimes... :roll:

Tarrican

03-11-2003, 13:00

Jus' postin' an opinion.

You can ignore it if you want... I'm not forcing it on you.
But on the other hand, feel free to post a rebuffal of my statements if you want... I am open to debate.

Ballotonia

03-11-2003, 13:33

*sigh* When will there be a 'secret power group' in NationStates that actually is secret... and doesn't declare its secretive nature in every member's motto and flag?

There is! Maybe.

Ballotonia

The Most Glorious Hack

03-11-2003, 14:14

Hm. This thread has managed to go way the Hell off topic.

Let's see here...

Fisz and Enotita: Just leave each other alone. I don't want telegrams going back an forth or anything, nor do I want nonsense happening between AA members and Enotita. Sever ties, move on. If you can't, well, then the GM's will have to solve the problems in our unique and permanent fashion.

NS Capitalist Racists: Knock it off. Stop flaming, and spouting that tired old nonsense. If you hate it so much, leave. I'm sure Stormfront will welcome you with open arms.