NationStates Jolt Archive

could i know in what way having the state operate a gold mine on its own fuckin' property makes it less democratic? :roll: there isn't such a thing as a "right to luck", and if it were it would affect CR. Can you point me to a single issue that is good for anti-capitalist countries? no, you can't. Some issues-like the one i talked about above-were even designed are deliberately designed to trap non-liberal nations. What's the point of sifting issues then? why not just have me "dismiss all" when my issues are "K1LL T3H C0MM0N1Z75" or "FUCK THE GHEYS"? are you mods so desperate for attention you need everybody to know how you vote?fine, you vote Democrat(and sometimes Republican, when there's a moderate Reppie you like)/New Labour/Democratie Liberale/CDU and similar parties, now can i have my cookie? as for SLAG editing HIS OWN ISSUES....how screwed up is that?especially when you realise the utter lack of choice in his issue, it's either moralism or dictatorship, both of which are -surprise, surprise- right-wing responses. And FUCK YOU, Rep Prod, for letting in some of the most biased issues ever when you keep good ones out. The mod team is in urgent need of replacement; Rep Prod and SLAG who deliberately screwed up our issue pool need to go, and so does Menelmacar who was given modship not to moderate but to use it to her own advantage in RP. And maybe give us a better political representation of mods instead of a lib-dem clique, maybe we could have a decent NS then.

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

These issues are supposed to have extreme options. Read the FAQ.

Oh dear.

I don't know what you're talking about, but that's probably because I can't even remember the last time I answered an issue without dimissing it. Though I can relate to you somewhat.

Some of the new issues are very poor though.
I dismiss 75% of them.

These issues are supposed to have extreme options. Read the FAQ.yes, but what about *shock, horror* some LEFT-WING issues? maybe i don't want to play a lib-dem nation (no insult to the birtish lib-dems, after all they kinda exchanged policies with labour), and i don't want to play an evil dictatorship either, but i can't, because the lib-dem mods decided that everyone was either with them or should have outlawed CR and PF and imploded economies.

I don't know what you're talking about, but that's probably because I can't even remember the last time I answered an issue without dimissing it. Though I can relate to you somewhat.
exactly. We want issues that allow us to run our countries our way- and in my case, i can't because i don' t politically agree with the mods. sad, isn't it?

You could write some issues specifically aimed for left-wing utopias, anarchies and the like you know. Flaming the mods isn't going to get you anywhere.

1) the mods don't accept them
2) i am not flaming, i insulted one mod, once, in decent-sized paragraph. It's a valid complaint.
3) the issues should be for everyone.

Maybe some one could make a proposal in the UN about this. That might help.

i personally like the issues. Rock on Mods! Keep um coming!

unfortunately, the FAQ says it wouldn't. I'm fairly sure it says the UN doesn't have anything to dow ith proposing things related to game mechanics.

i must say the issues are like my daily smile.

um.. i dont'th ink the un is for that..

A resolution was passed in the UN to add a search engine in the UN.

true..i'll look into the FAQ about that, to se eif i cna fidn the quote though.

nothing specific, it seems...ok, so somebody should make a UN resolution.

I'm a delegate so I could make it, but I'm not good with words, so some one could write it up and telegram me with it, and I'll be glad to put it up.

1) the mods don't accept them
2) i am not flaming, i insulted one mod, once, in decent-sized paragraph. It's a valid complaint.
3) the issues should be for everyone.

1. As far as I know there haven't been many issues submitted that were specifically aimed for left-wing nations. We need more.
2. Saying 'fuck you Rep Prod' IS flaming. There's no excuse.
3. Some issues will only be valid for certain nations. You can't have people complaining about someone streaking when nudity is already compulsory for example.

UN resolutions regarding changing the mechanics of the game will be deleted. It's in the FAQ.

No you shouldn't. It is highly illegal to submit a proposal changing game mechanics.

In the old days, this rule was not enforced strictly, and so the search function was added. However, now it is. Submitting this proposal will risk an ejection for rule violations.

Well, that's the only thing I could come up with. :?

<really long rant>

Whoa, someone needs a chill pill. And that's coming from me........an experienced ranter! :roll: :P :wink: :lol:

as a high placer on the NS most loathed list i doubt my input is desired but here it comes anyway.

moderators should never approve and edit their own issues. the very least SLAGlands could have done is gotten one of his buddies to rubber stamp it, but he didn't even take the time to pretend it went through proper channels. this gives the appearance of impropriety and when there is a legitimate complaint that these issues are biased (and by biased i do not mean wacky) it doesn't help.

re: bias/wacky, i know issues are supposed to be wacky and i don't have a problem with it. what i'm having a problem with are the choices given. to use SLAGlands' issue as an example:

The Issue
A tabloid magazine, The National Incriminator, has revealed the sordid details of an affair between one of your top advisors, Robert Lotsalovin, and his secretary.

The Debate
"They found out I did WHAT!?" Advisor Lotsalovin says in his morning meeting in your office. "This just can't happen! How can government officials do their jobs properly if we have to work under the constant scrutiny of these idiotic supermarket tabloids? I say tabloid newspapers must be banned, and we must not allow newspapers to speak ill of our government officials... for the good of Seocc, of course.."
[Accept]


"Unbelievable!" says Reverend Thomas Wu of the local Catholic church. "Our government officials must be held to a higher standard than this! Mr. Lotsalovin must be removed from office and jailed. We cannot allow such disgusting corruption within the halls of justice!"
[Accept]


"Whoa, whoa, hey, now..." argues Senator Alexei Trax. "What happened to Mr. Lotsalovin is no different than affairs that happen all over Seocc every day! Before you know it, they'll be after YOUR sexual history! I think what we need to do is take the public attention off of it somehow, perhaps by... oh, I don't know... giving them a tax cut! That'll divert their attention from this momentary distraction just long enough for Mr. Lotsalovin's divorce process to end!"
[Accept]
The Government Position
The government is preparing to dismiss this issue.

Issue by: The Emerald Heights of The SLAGLands
Editor: The SLAGLands

do you think it's suspicious that in an issue regarding freedom of the press there is no choice to support a free and open news media? what kind of head in a box maneuver lands you with a free speech issue that doesn't have the choice to allow free speech? i don't have a problem with any of the options given but the huge omission of a very valid and common position is just irresponsible. it's the kind of thing that perhaps another mod going over SLAGlands' issue might have avoided.

and while i think it's cool that there are more religious choices being offered it's plain discrimination to leave out entire ideologies in a game that invites and promotes a wide diversity of political thought. i've yet to get an issue that lets me espouse an anti-capitalist position; as far as i know the only issue that let's you do this is the one where you can choose to outlaw capitalism. one issue out of how many now? going on 50?

if you want to keep the issues wacky you have my blessing. if you want to intentionally promote or omit certain ideologies you should give up the argument that this game is balanced and admit you're playing Capitalism. at the moment i think nations who wish to play a non-capitalist or even leftist nation are being screwed because an overwhelming majority of the moderators come from the same narrow ideology; i'm aware of only two mods who have non-capitalist nations (Tahar Joblis and Enodia) and i don't know if they actually believe in what they're playing. either way there is a definate need for some widening of horizons in the moderators simply to allow this game to achieve its full potential, not lock out those on the wrong side of the fence.

i'm told that only game moderators can edit issues, and apparantly there aren't any worthy applicants among prominent non-capitalist nations. i don't want to be a mod but i'll sift issues; this is not allowed and i don't know why. the guys in charge should go back and think this over before the situation become not only indefensible, as it is now, but essentially unsalvageable.

Shouldn't this be moved to the new issues board?

Shouldn't this be moved to the new issues board?

Yeah, that should be split off.

You know, that's a good point poorly made, I really do have no idea how anyone is meant to do socialism in this game. Not that it really crossed my mind before, I am more of a left-centrist/paternalistic sort of part of the spectrum, but yes, it does appear that it is easier to be right-of-centre than on the far left. I should do an experiment with one of my puppets, see how long it takes to shape a socialist nation. I know from experience that preventing a Democratic Socialist nation from becoming a Corrupt Dictatorship is walking a very fine line.

I wish the mods would just DEAT flaming trolls like the guy who made this thread.

I wish the mods would just DEAT flaming trolls like the guy who made this thread.

How the heck did that happen?

You know, that's a good point poorly made, I really do have no idea how anyone is meant to do socialism in this game. Not that it really crossed my mind before, I am more of a left-centrist/paternalistic sort of part of the spectrum, but yes, it does appear that it is easier to be right-of-centre than on the far left. I should do an experiment with one of my puppets, see how long it takes to shape a socialist nation. I know from experience that preventing a Democratic Socialist nation from becoming a Corrupt Dictatorship is walking a very fine line.

If you start to restrict political freedoms, you end up as a Corrupt Dictatorship. If you raise your political freedoms, you end up as Liberal Democratic Socialists, or further up is Scandinavian Liberal Paradise.

Corrupt Dictatorship is Marxist-Leninism, in my opinion.

I wish the mods would just DEAT flaming trolls like the guy who made this thread.

How the heck did that happen?Oops. That was me. My bad.

I wish the mods would just DEAT flaming trolls like the guy who made this thread.

How the heck did that happen?Oops. That was me. My bad.

Got it. But it's still weird that somebody not logged in was able to post.... *shrugs*

On Topic: I don't mind the issue in question but would agree that mods shouldn't edit their own issues.

Scandinavian Liberal Paradise is the definition my humanistic anarchism falls into. Seems pretty sociable to me.

I wish the mods would just DEAT flaming trolls like the guy who made this thread.

Is use of the descriptive: 'flaming trolls' classed as defametory in any way?

I propose a censorship of the censors.

You can stick your censorship where the sun doesn't fucking shine my son.

1) the mods don't accept them

I would if I saw any good ones of that sort.

I agree that the issues are poorly thought out and poorly implemented.

I realize that the issues are supposed to have extreme results, but not this extreme. It seems like EVERY issue is:

<Insert slightly clever title>
A bunch of ppl r protesting cuz of <something>

Flaming liberal says "I say we should listen to the protestorz!!!!!! And give them funding for teh governm3nt pr0gram!!!!"

Horrible Nazi says "ONOS! Killz0rz teh hippieyz!!!! LOL it wuld be teh funny :twisted:"

Whining protester says "nO i ThInK U sHoUlD gIvE tEh Us FuDnInG fOr ArE pR0gRam"

...

And that's the best of them. :P

They just don't have the same "feel" as the old issues. The writing is constipated and leaves much to be desired, the 5 or 6 choices are all crappy, and the results are completely ridiculous. :/

I also would like to know why SLAG edited and approved his own issue.

I'd have to agree with Tact on this. Good point very poorly made.

Having sorted through a lot of the new issues, I can give you this list of reasons why there aren't any 'good left-wing' issues.

1. Almost all the issues submitted by players are center or right-wing. Write and submit good left-wing issues, and it'll get into the game.
2. Almost all the issues submitted by the players are, at best 'uninspired'
3. There is only so much we can alter in a player-submitted issue before it completely ceases to be what the player submitted. I rather doubt anybody wants their issue to be editted so heavily that they can hardly recognize it from the one that they submitted.
4. Remember guys, we're learning the ropes still. I'd like to think we aren't doing too badly at it thus far, since we haven't had the wrath of Max descend on us.
5. If the writing is 'constipated', remember, we aren't the ones writing them :wink:

In addition, I agree that it was in poor taste for Slag to edit his own issue. That was right after [violet] finished the thingie for the mods to edit issues, and long story short, we were all chomping at the bit to get started, since we're as sick of the Harry Potter censorship row as you guys :wink: I don't think there will be a repeat occurance.

And lastly, Cirdanistan, flaming the mods in the manner you have is not a good idea, especially when you're trying to offer constructive critiques. If you have a serious problem with one or more of the moderators, report it to our boss. [violet]'s email isn't exactly hidden.

~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Game Mod

I'd have to agree with Tact on this. Good point very poorly made.

Having sorted through a lot of the new issues, I can give you this list of reasons why there aren't any 'good left-wing' issues.

1. Almost all the issues submitted by players are center or right-wing. Write and submit good left-wing issues, and it'll get into the game.


I did. My public healthcare and public transport issues are nowhere to be seen :(

I did. My public healthcare and public transport issues are nowhere to be seen :(

Sometimes we get multiple submissions that deal with the same issue- there is a public healthcare one in circulation now =/ (And remember, there is a considerable backlog to sift through x_x)

I have a strange and incredible idea.

Write some issues. Then, submit them.

That might solve things rather better than whining about people editing issues the overall content and policitical leanings of which they have no control over.

ok, i got carried away after about 4 days of "dismiss all issues". RP, sorry for the insult, but if you don't like the issues you're letting in, don't let them in. And some of them definately shouldn't have. SLAG's behavior remains unqualifiable-IRL, judge's arn't allowed to jduge themselves. SLAG has made a serious moderating error, and should have his powers removed for it. The problem is, he, like most mods, seems to have been chosen because he's a likeable enough guy with the right political opinion, with no thought to how good a mod he would be. Well, now that we know he's an abominable mod, can he be kicked back to playerdom?
As for an issue- i know SeOCC submitted one, and i will if i find time. It takes alot less time to rant than to submit a good issue, you know.

I fail to see how the mods have caused this. Okay, they let it get through but if you don't like it dismiss it.

I fail to see how the mods have caused this. Okay, they let it get through but if you don't like it dismiss it.
like, maybe some players want to actually chnage their naton's stats, heaven forbid? :roll:

incidentally, i have now submitted an issue relating specifically to us anti-capitalists. I'm taking bet son how long it takes for the mods to reject it. Took me thirty minutes to write; will take Menelmacar all of thirty seconds to reject. Now you know why there arn't more Red issues.

We let Slag edit his own as a treat. Also, Max directly reviewed that issue before submission, and due to that we didn't feel that there was a real issue with him editting it himself.

I for one am just glad to get something other than Harry Potter censorship row. No complants here.

We let Slag edit his own as a treat. Also, Max directly reviewed that issue before submission, and due to that we didn't feel that there was a real issue with him editting it himself.wow! Max himself let that one in? :shock: no wonder this place is going to the dogs. That issue is really, really, lousy. Not only is it seriously America-centric (alot of other countries had presidents who did far worse than Clinton in the marital infidelity department and didn't give a shit; the only reasons america cares is becasue the lack of choice on the real issues) but it lacks a proper choice of options.

I for one am just glad to get something other than Harry Potter censorship row. No complants here.see? a right-winger! this is become increasingly a game for right-wingers like him!

Mountain, Molehill?
Anyone agree?

Mountain, Molehill?
Anyone agree?

I concur. The topic has been resolved with Salusa's post.

UNBIASED MODERATION NOW!!!

I think I am a victim of this biased moderation, I was kicked out of the UN, and when I try to apply a new nation in the UN, they don't send me the e-mail. And, no, I don't have a spam filter or any crap like that.

incidentally, i have now submitted an issue relating specifically to us anti-capitalists. I'm taking bet son how long it takes for the mods to reject it. Took me thirty minutes to write; will take Menelmacar all of thirty seconds to reject. Now you know why there arn't more Red issues.

Because nobody submitted them. RIght now the mods are still working on issues submitted in July/early August.

i find that highly humerous. Thanks for the smile!
Keep demanding and eventually in a couple million years you might get it.

incidentally, i have now submitted an issue relating specifically to us anti-capitalists. I'm taking bet son how long it takes for the mods to reject it. Took me thirty minutes to write; will take Menelmacar all of thirty seconds to reject. Now you know why there arn't more Red issues.

Because nobody submitted them.
I did. I made one about public transportation and another about tariffs.

incidentally, i have now submitted an issue relating specifically to us anti-capitalists. I'm taking bet son how long it takes for the mods to reject it. Took me thirty minutes to write; will take Menelmacar all of thirty seconds to reject. Now you know why there arn't more Red issues.

Your submission is quite likely #3000 or so in the queue. We're currently up to about #75 or so in that queue. You'd probably be better off taking bets on how long it takes us to even GET to it.

SLAG has made a serious moderating error, and should have his powers removed for it.

Ok, isn't this going a little far? Writers do tend to edit their own work, whether an editor will see it too. I agree that I'd have liked to see someone else as editor, but removing his powers because you don't like the issue seems WAY overboard.

How many people have been slandered/insulted so far? I lost count.

Hehe...Cirdanistan, I think the reason for the sudden influx of right-wing issues is because NS's old issues were mostly left-wing oriented. Max probably wants the mods to balance the issues a little. And stop overreacting. You're making yourself look like a child. Slandering the mods won't get you anywhere.

UNBIASED MODERATION NOW!!!

I think I am a victim of this biased moderation, I was kicked out of the UN, and when I try to apply a new nation in the UN, they don't send me the e-mail. And, no, I don't have a spam filter or any crap like that.

If you're kicked out of the UN, you can't reapply. This isn't bias or anything fancy and "conspiracy theory-esque" like that, it's just the way the game works. Simple piece of logic -> you were kicked out for breaking the rules in some way, if you're let back in you've already demonstrated that you are prepared to break the rules so for all we know you'll do it again.
If you were kicked out by mistake, however, then appeal the decision.

SLAG has made a serious moderating error, and should have his powers removed for it.

Ok, isn't this going a little far? Writers do tend to edit their own work, whether an editor will see it too. I agree that I'd have liked to see someone else as editor, but removing his powers because you don't like the issue seems WAY overboard.
they'd do it to a judge, and the mods are the judges of NS.

Hehe...Cirdanistan, I think the reason for the sudden influx of right-wing issues is because NS's old issues were mostly left-wing oriented. Max probably wants the mods to balance the issues a little. And stop overreacting. You're making yourself look like a child. Slandering the mods won't get you anywhere.no, they wern't. Go back to the Texan hell-hole where you were spawned, conservative devil! i exorcise you! *noise of Friegben screaming as he returns to hell( aka american deep south) *

Since when did liberals exorcise? *shrugs* Oh, and I'm not from Texas. I'm not even from the U.S. I'm actually a Malaysian. Although my political leanings are slightly biased in favour of conservatism, I consider myself a centrist, thank you. *returns to Japan where he was spawned*

*sighhhh*first you shall be hit over the head with the OED and collected works of Adam Smith for not knowing what a liberal is. You=liberal;me=commie=anti-liberal if you'd bother to read a dictionnary. And the fact you consider the previous issues leftist just goes to show you are NOT a centrist, whatever you consider yourself to be. And that you failed to recognize the humourous overtones in my previous post is...sad. Whether for your IQ or my sense of humour i'll let others decide.

How many people have been slandered/insulted so far? I lost count.RP, by me; and myself, by some random passing troll. Can't you count to 2?

Can we have just a little less with the pointless ad hominem attacks and flaming?

Saying "if you don't like the issue, simply dismiss it" is pretty much a cop-out of the core issue here, mainly that the issues don't cover a broad range of responses or are of poor quality. People usually dismiss issues because the issue at hand is simply ridiculous or far-fetched. Maybe dismissing isn't much of an issue if you dismiss 1 or 2 issues here and there but when people are forced to dismiss a large amount of issues, something isn't being properly addressed.

We all know we can dismiss issues. Please don't patronize us with that answer again. Our issue is with the lack of quality with a large portion of these issues. By "bitching" about them, we also hope to influence the future quality of issues as well which is perfectly legitimate. An answer like "dismiss the ones you don't like" sort of implies an admission that you don't really care about other people's concerns, whether or not that's really true.

Oh, as to how I feel about some of the new issues, my nation could be considered right wing, but to me, the new "right wing" options seem too blatantly extreme.

, in the site FAQ]Why is my nation so weird?
Everything is exaggerated a little. Well, okay, a lot. Your decisions affect your nation very strongly, so your country might seem like a more extreme version of what you were aiming for. Unless you have radical politics. In which case you probably think nothing's wrong.

My decision had unintended consequences!
Yep, that'll happen. For one thing, see "Why is my nation so weird?" above. For another, pretty much every decision you make will involve a trade-off of some kind. It's kind of an exercise in choosing the best of a bunch of bad options. You might find this frustrating, especially if you're the kind of person who thinks the solutions to all the world's problems are obvious.

They're supposed to be extreme.

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT HAVE WE GOT?
GREAT MODERATION
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT!

May i remind you that mostly all of these issues are made up by us?
Just dismiss it if your not happy choosing.

Some people are Never happy.

Trix
Making NS a better place... hopefully

I will just ask a Quick question about the Issues. Do All the old ones still come up, i havent had one about Budget (Accountants excited) , or Military Funding for a while thats all.

Then make some new versions of them that have the same effect but have other stories.

How many people have been slandered/insulted so far? I lost count.RP, by me; and myself, by some random passing troll. Can't you count to 2?

Actually, I counted Rep Prod twice, Slaglands twice, the mod team as a whole several times, Menelmancar twice, Max once, Clearwater and Frigben, and Spellchecklandia, all by you. The last time I checked, that was considerably more than TWO.

Can a point be made without insulting someone, accusing them of wrong doing, labeling them or thinking that screaming is a way to get a point across? Because the more one treats everyone around them like an idiotic peasant out to screw them, the less inclined people are to listen to anything one has to say.

Someone needs to learn something about social graces.

I will just ask a Quick question about the Issues. Do All the old ones still come up, i havent had one about Budget (Accountants excited) , or Military Funding for a while thats all.

Yes, I had those last week.

oh good, thanks for clearing that up.

just to let you know I don't like the new issues.

They aren't really big gouvernment affairs, don't you think. I want important business-descisions, as president of a nation I'm not supposed to take descions about some SM-freaks, or whatever, asking me to support their cause...

just to let you know I don't like the new issues.

They aren't really big gouvernment affairs, don't you think. I want important business-descisions, as president of a nation I'm not supposed to take descions about some SM-freaks, or whatever, asking me to support their cause...

Agreed. Maybe we can have an issue about whether or not to go to war with another nation, and discussing the pros and cons of such a decision.

On the other hand, the president of the US HAS gotten personally involved with the abortion issue, whether we think it appropriate or not...

Yes well... to be blunt, he's a muppet isn't he?

From a certain British Socialist....

*sighhhh*first you shall be hit over the head with the OED and collected works of Adam Smith for not knowing what a liberal is. You=liberal;me=commie=anti-liberal if you'd bother to read a dictionnary.
That depends on which definition of "communist" you are going by. If you are talking about the economic system, then liberalism goes hand-in-hand with communism. If you're talking about the governments of modern "Communist" nations, then yes, Communism = Anti-liberal.

*sighhhh*first you shall be hit over the head with the OED and collected works of Adam Smith for not knowing what a liberal is. You=liberal;me=commie=anti-liberal if you'd bother to read a dictionnary.
That depends on which definition of "communist" you are going by. If you are talking about the economic system, then liberalism goes hand-in-hand with communism. If you're talking about the governments of modern "Communist" nations, then yes, Communism = Anti-liberal.

In economic terms Liberalism is the exact opposite of Communism. Liberalism represents individualism, Communism collectivism.

As for issues, a lot of them do seem poorly thought out, many have too many fairly similar options (the supreme court one for example) and a lot have really stupid options (as in things no-one would want to pick). Some of the original ones may have been fairly extreme and had unintended consequences but they were all logical (to an extent) and they all appeared to be representing legitimate views.

*sighhhh*first you shall be hit over the head with the OED and collected works of Adam Smith for not knowing what a liberal is. You=liberal;me=commie=anti-liberal if you'd bother to read a dictionnary.
That depends on which definition of "communist" you are going by. If you are talking about the economic system, then liberalism goes hand-in-hand with communism. If you're talking about the governments of modern "Communist" nations, then yes, Communism = Anti-liberal.

In economic terms Liberalism is the exact opposite of Communism. Liberalism represents individualism, Communism collectivism.

As for issues, a lot of them do seem poorly thought out, many have too many fairly similar options (the supreme court one for example) and a lot have really stupid options (as in things no-one would want to pick). Some of the original ones may have been fairly extreme and had unintended consequences but they were all logical (to an extent) and they all appeared to be representing legitimate views.

This is true; however the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves.

In other words: these are the issues WE collectively wrote -- they are poor quality because they were poorly written by other nationstaters.

The solution is easy to say, more difficult to DO -- write good ones.

In economic terms Liberalism is the exact opposite of Communism. Liberalism represents individualism, Communism collectivism.
Liberalism = taxes, welfare, free education/healthcare, etc.
Communism = see above

:D

The solution is easy to say, more difficult to DO -- write good ones.
As long as we're in fantasy land, I want an elf to do my manual labor.

I suggest that the author of the original issues edit these new issues to make them not suck.

Well, here's an idea, but I doubt it will fly.

Perhaps the mods could select a committee of players -- players who have opposing viewpoints, players who actually are good writers, etc. -- to review the issues. Not to edit them, mind, just review.

Especially if the players are chosen from vastly different camps, then perhaps the chaff could be sifted from the wheat, and the promising proto-issues could be passed along to the mods for discussion, editing, etc.

Admittedly, that could leave the issues wide open to favoritism, nepotism -- lots of unpopular -isms that would cause the moderators more grief -- so I doubt this will be considered as a viable possibility.

I've often been called a grammar Nazi... plus the mods hate me, so I would be a perfect candidate. :P

Well, Cirdanistan, given the original issues often have weird or silly effects if you make a right-wing decision on them, I'd say they are indeed slightly biased in favour of left-wing nations. One of my biggest gripes is that welfare and health are grouped together; I don't care much for the conventional application of welfare(government handouts do not promote overall well-being of a nation), and yet, the only way to raise my health level until the new issues came along, was to authorise welfare. Heck, at one point, Frigben was ranked Unhealthiest Nation in the World. :?

Any ways, I don't follow conventional divisions of people into libertarians and authoritarians, and left-wingers and right-wingers. Most of the solutions I favour are pretty unconventional, which is why until recently I found I was dismissing issues like crazy. Now I've resolved to decide my issues directly by picking the option which follows closest to my philosophies, and since, as I've conceded, I do have a bit of conservative bias, it's natural Frigben is a cesspool of conservatism.

I find Katganistan's idea a good one, but alas, a too difficult to implement one. If done right, however, I think it would work.

In economic terms Liberalism is the exact opposite of Communism. Liberalism represents individualism, Communism collectivism.
Liberalism = taxes, welfare, free education/healthcare, etc.
Communism = see above


Classical / Neo-Liberalism = free market capitalism, minimal state existing only to maintain order, emphasis on individualism and negative freedom.

Modern Liberalism = free market capitalism, minimal intervention in economy to prevent worst aspects of capitalism. Emphasis on individualism and negative freedom but also accepting small amounts of positive freedom.

Communism = stateless collectivism (therefore a form of anarchism). No state, no taxation, no capitalism.

In both forms of liberalism corporations and capitalists become far more powerful than the state and thus despite the emphasis on freedom liberalism is one of the most oppressive political systems in the world.
No wonder there is a lack of decent leftist issues/options when most people don't seem to understand what we support.

How many people have been slandered/insulted so far? I lost count.RP, by me; and myself, by some random passing troll. Can't you count to 2?

Actually, I counted Rep Prod twice, Slaglands twice, the mod team as a whole several times, Menelmancar twice, Max once, Clearwater and Frigben, and Spellchecklandia, all by you. The last time I checked, that was considerably more than TWO.

Can a point be made without insulting someone, accusing them of wrong doing, labeling them or thinking that screaming is a way to get a point across? Because the more one treats everyone around them like an idiotic peasant out to screw them, the less inclined people are to listen to anything one has to say.

Someone needs to learn something about social graces.
do you know what an insult is?ok, a little lesson...fuck you! you have now been insulted.
I don't like you and think you are biased. You have NOT been insulted.

*sighhhh*first you shall be hit over the head with the OED and collected works of Adam Smith for not knowing what a liberal is. You=liberal;me=commie=anti-liberal if you'd bother to read a dictionnary.
That depends on which definition of "communist" you are going by. If you are talking about the economic system, then liberalism goes hand-in-hand with communism. If you're talking about the governments of modern "Communist" nations, then yes, Communism = Anti-liberal.
liberalism: the idea that society should allow a capitalist economy with zero government control; first theorised by Adam Smith.

Do not discuss politics in this forum, thank you; that's what General's for. On-topic please.

How many people have been slandered/insulted so far? I lost count.RP, by me; and myself, by some random passing troll. Can't you count to 2?

Actually, I counted Rep Prod twice, Slaglands twice, the mod team as a whole several times, Menelmancar twice, Max once, Clearwater and Frigben, and Spellchecklandia, all by you. The last time I checked, that was considerably more than TWO.

Can a point be made without insulting someone, accusing them of wrong doing, labeling them or thinking that screaming is a way to get a point across? Because the more one treats everyone around them like an idiotic peasant out to screw them, the less inclined people are to listen to anything one has to say.

Someone needs to learn something about social graces.
do you know what an insult is?ok, a little lesson...f--- you! you have now been insulted.
I don't like you and think you are biased. You have NOT been insulted.
Nice. MODALERT.
You are condescending and insulting.

You swore at RP. You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. "Can you count to two?" is flamebaiting. "...a little lesson --- f--- you!" is flaming.

OK Cirdanistan, you've got yourself an official warning. I want you to knock off the flaming or risk deletion.

Also, Max directly reviewed that issue before submission, and due to that we didn't feel that there was a real issue with him editting it himself.

I really don't think I need to address this issue, as Sal already did. ;)

With regard to the issue of "WHAAAAAAAAAA! I don't like the options!," I call your attention to the gun control issue that the game's programmer created. The options are as follows:

1. Ban citizens from holding guns
2. Ban guns outright
3. Ban violent movies and video games

Where's the option that allows for guns for hunting purposes only? Or waiting periods? Or background checks? Or just outright doing nothing?

The fact of the matter is that these issues are designed to force you to take action. My issue is the same way: these sordid sex scandals aren't just going to "go away." You HAVE to deal with them... or, of course, you could just dismiss the issue, but where's the fun in that? ;)

With regard to the cultural issue some players have taken with my issue... do you really think gun control is a problem in every country in the world?

This has been a SLAGLandic Edit (TM).

if the gun control issue were one that had been submitted by players, the options would be:

1. Ban guns and every other form of weaponry and hand out heavy subsidies to gun control groups
2. Kill everyone who owns a gun
3. Ban guns and every other form of weaponry, hand out heavy subsidies to gun control groups and lower taxes to take people's minds off of the issue.
4. Kill everyone who owns a gun and lower taxes

:D

How many people have been slandered/insulted so far? I lost count.RP, by me; and myself, by some random passing troll. Can't you count to 2?

Actually, I counted Rep Prod twice, Slaglands twice, the mod team as a whole several times, Menelmancar twice, Max once, Clearwater and Frigben, and Spellchecklandia, all by you. The last time I checked, that was considerably more than TWO.

Can a point be made without insulting someone, accusing them of wrong doing, labeling them or thinking that screaming is a way to get a point across? Because the more one treats everyone around them like an idiotic peasant out to screw them, the less inclined people are to listen to anything one has to say.

Someone needs to learn something about social graces.
do you know what an insult is?ok, a little lesson...f--- you! you have now been insulted.
I don't like you and think you are biased. You have NOT been insulted.
Nice. MODALERT.
You are condescending and insulting.
you're not?

You swore at RP.
You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.
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"Can you count to two?" is flamebaiting. "...a little lesson --- f--- you!" is flaming.i can edit quotes as well, mr.katganistan. i didn't actually insult you, since the Fuck you wasn't aimed at anybody. And an insult means i direct an insulting word or expression(such as the over-used but popular "fuck you") at you. Yes i was condescending, and? you clearly think that telling someone they are biased is an insult, therefore you don't know what an insult is. That kinda forces me to point out whta is and isn't an insult, and it' shard to do so without being condescending.

OK Cirdanistan, you've got yourself an official warning. I want you to knock off the flaming or risk deletion.you think you're a big man with that little mod status, don't you?why does being caustic in civilize dmanner at a mod get me warning, when all the flaming trolls who just target ordinary players get away with it? :roll: my case is proven.
And i demand satisfaction! I swear upon mine honour and shall defend with mine body against all comers, tomorrow at the lists of Smithfield, that the mods are biased! the judgment of god shall show which of us is in the right and which is a lying curr!
see, you've gotten me into a medievalist rant now...beware, next thing i'll be knocking on your door with a longsword to ask for reparation :wink:

Your posts, sir, speak for themselves so eloquently that they need no further comment.

you think you're a big man with that little mod status, don't you?why does being caustic in civilize dmanner at a mod get me warning, when all the flaming trolls who just target ordinary players get away with it? :roll: my case is proven.
And i demand satisfaction! I swear upon mine honour and shall defend with mine body against all comers, tomorrow at the lists of Smithfield, that the mods are biased! the judgment of god shall show which of us is in the right and which is a lying curr!
see, you've gotten me into a medievalist rant now...beware, next thing i'll be knocking on your door with a longsword to ask for reparation :wink:

Hey, Cirdanistan... I couldn't help but notice that you completely avoided my (very civil, might I add) response to your initial complaint. Have you forgotten why you made this thread? ;)

You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.


Oh? How? By giving herself a custom title? That's not against the rules.

topic title:damnit, how low can our mods sink?re:the new issues


*ghost of Loop*
"well, OOoooooOOohhhh, Hack just killed me OOoOooOOOoooOOo"

topic title:damnit, how low can our mods sink?re:the new issues


*ghost of Loop*
"well, OOoooooOOohhhh, Hack just killed me OOoOooOOOoooOOo"

<Changes Loop's nation title to 'The Ghost of'>

why does being caustic in civilize dmanner at a mod get me warning, :
Oh yeah, "f-ck you Rep Prod" is REAL civilized.

[Sarcastic Impersonation]
Hi, some of you may know me a whiney player number 45011.

But I'm really a good guy. Infact, I'm here to save you from an unseen evil.
I am wish to call to your attention a greivious injury which is being perpetrated upon all of us.

You see, I don't like the way this game is being run. (Apparently because I play it means I own it, and should have a say on how its run)
You see, since this game is free it means that the admin and mods owe their very lives to me...err...us, and as a result should bow down and serve our every whim for volunteering their precious time.

Thats right, this game is free, so you all owe us your first-born, for providing free services and fun to us that we have not payed for, nor will have to pay for.

So in conclusion, um, I own this game. Um, f--k the mods tey are teh dumbz0r nazi-jewish capitalist-commie pig dogs.
Tey continue to promote teh liberal conservative agenda and we must rise up and fight for f the services that we derserve, because we like, um deserve it, cuz we like didn't payed for it, umm, yeah.[/sarcastic impersonation]

Honestly people, you didn't pay to use the game and you didn't pay to access the website. This game, and the services of the admin have been provided free of charge, and on a largely volunteer basis.
The Admin and Mods don't owe you shit.
Infact, if anyone owes anything, its us who owe the admin and mods for their services.

If you don't like the game anymore, fine, leave.
No one is keeping you, and the admin doesn't owe it to you to change the game just because you don't like it.

you think you're a big man with that little mod status, don't you?why does being caustic in civilize dmanner at a mod get me warning, when all the flaming trolls who just target ordinary players get away with it? :roll: my case is proven.
And i demand satisfaction! I swear upon mine honour and shall defend with mine body against all comers, tomorrow at the lists of Smithfield, that the mods are biased! the judgment of god shall show which of us is in the right and which is a lying curr!
see, you've gotten me into a medievalist rant now...beware, next thing i'll be knocking on your door with a longsword to ask for reparation :wink:

Hey, Cirdanistan... I couldn't help but notice that you completely avoided my (very civil, might I add) response to your initial complaint. Have you forgotten why you made this thread? ;)
your point is valid...and skirting the issue. Precedent dosn't make something less right or less wrong. Hard to answer, true, but if a wrong has been done...it should be corrected, not repeated. Simply put, in a country where elections mean something, people don't give a fuck about how many mistresses a candidate has, but in sham democracies character comes to the fore because all candidates have the same agenda, up to a fine enough point for the manifestoes to take second seat.However, Cirdanistan is a democracy and i simply don't think i should have this issue popping up.

You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.


Oh? How? By giving herself a custom title? That's not against the rules.or by IP scanning WBO applicants? or by fiddling with some people's countries? not a sif anything could be proven with such a tight-knit brotherhood of the people who could prove something.

You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.


Oh? How? By giving herself a custom title? That's not against the rules.or by IP scanning WBO applicants? or by fiddling with some people's countries? not a sif anything could be proven with such a tight-knit brotherhood of the people who could prove something.

Evidence, please?

One of the new issues dropped my PF to 0. I am highly annoyed.

You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.


Oh? How? By giving herself a custom title? That's not against the rules.or by IP scanning WBO applicants? or by fiddling with some people's countries? not a sif anything could be proven with such a tight-knit brotherhood of the people who could prove something.
And editing IC polls to add smart-ass remarks.

You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.


Oh? How? By giving herself a custom title? That's not against the rules.or by IP scanning WBO applicants? or by fiddling with some people's countries? not a sif anything could be proven with such a tight-knit brotherhood of the people who could prove something.

Uh... I find that highly unlikely for one, rather obvious reason, namely: Reploid Productions is not a member of the WBO.

If you're going to make baseless accusations, please try to at least have some logical consistancy.

Surely you're setting the burden too high, Hack. Inconsistent baseless accusations are what keep the majority of the population coming back here. :wink:

You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.


Oh? How? By giving herself a custom title? That's not against the rules.or by IP scanning WBO applicants? or by fiddling with some people's countries? not a sif anything could be proven with such a tight-knit brotherhood of the people who could prove something.

People who offer a shred of verifiable evidence?

You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.


Oh? How? By giving herself a custom title? That's not against the rules.or by IP scanning WBO applicants? or by fiddling with some people's countries? not a sif anything could be proven with such a tight-knit brotherhood of the people who could prove something.

Uh... I find that highly unlikely for one, rather obvious reason, namely: Reploid Productions is not a member of the WBO.

If you're going to make baseless accusations, please try to at least have some logical consistancy.
who are we talking about? Meh.Nelmacar. not RP.

You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.


Oh? How? By giving herself a custom title? That's not against the rules.or by IP scanning WBO applicants? or by fiddling with some people's countries? not a sif anything could be proven with such a tight-knit brotherhood of the people who could prove something.

Evidence, please?
who cna prove it? the mods(maybe, if they have a log of mod-activity). Given that they're all good friends, i doubt they'd throw one of their own to the wolves. The server might even be set up so their is no way of proving anything. In fact, it's quite likely you're asking for evidence that would not be created if she was guilty.

Okay, considering this isn't even about issues anymore, this one's going over to Moderation.

You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.


Oh? How? By giving herself a custom title? That's not against the rules.or by IP scanning WBO applicants? or by fiddling with some people's countries? not a sif anything could be proven with such a tight-knit brotherhood of the people who could prove something.

Evidence, please?
who cna prove it? the mods(maybe, if they have a log of mod-activity). Given that they're all good friends, i doubt they'd throw one of their own to the wolves. The server might even be set up so their is no way of proving anything. In fact, it's quite likely you're asking for evidence that would not be created if she was guilty.

The point is, you are alleging wrongdoing without providing any evidence that there has been wrongdoing.

That is libel. You are defaming Menelmacar's reputation without providing proof -- which you admit, does not exist in any form that you can provide.

Maybe it's just me, but I think this row about how 'we don't like the current issues' should make Max proud. After all, it implies that everyone thinks his are wonderful by comparison!

Come on folks, relax. So what if you have to dismiss some issues. I'll bet $20 we're all doing it -- but that we're all dismissing DIFFERENT ones. Are you trying to tell me you never dismissed any of the original issues?

Such as "Gunman kills three" (where the three options are Ban Guns, Give Everyone Guns, or Ban Video Games) or the one about smoking pot in the workplace (where the options are Freedom to Smoke Everywhere or Freedom to Smoke Pot in Private Homes Only).

The issues and options have always been weird, but since RL governments have to pick and choose between to find the relevant issues amongst the thousands of issues presented by media, scientists, business, environmentalists, lobbyists, and letter-writing weirdos, having to dismiss some issues because none of the options are appealing really just better reflects RL politics.

You accuse Melenmacar twice of using mod status to benefit hir nation. not as if she didn't, you know...and what has that to do with flaming, may i ask? i'm simply accusing ehr of something most people know she does.


Oh? How? By giving herself a custom title? That's not against the rules.or by IP scanning WBO applicants? or by fiddling with some people's countries? not a sif anything could be proven with such a tight-knit brotherhood of the people who could prove something.

Evidence, please?
who cna prove it? the mods(maybe, if they have a log of mod-activity). Given that they're all good friends, i doubt they'd throw one of their own to the wolves. The server might even be set up so their is no way of proving anything. In fact, it's quite likely you're asking for evidence that would not be created if she was guilty.
There is a log of mod activity which is watched over by [violet].
As for the mods all being good friends, who knows.
I assume its like any instance with coworkers, you get along to do your jobs.
I do know, that the ideologies of the mods are veried, so the likelyhood of a conspiracy against you is low.

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There is a log of mod activity which is watched over by [violet].
Correct. [violet] periodically reviews it and any abuse of Mod powers would be noticed.

As for the mods all being good friends, who knows.
I assume its like any instance with coworkers, you get along to do your jobs.
Correct again. You talk to some a lot more than others. You know some a lot better than others. Inevitably, it depends on what you are working on.

I do know, that the ideologies of the mods are veried, so the likelyhood of a conspiracy against you is low.
Correct yet again. We represent most of the political spectrum. But our political beliefs do not enter into the job at hand. A spammer is a spammer. A multi is a multi. An inappropriate UN proposal is an inappropriate UN proposal.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

As for the issues, I have said before, the new issues are the best-written examples of what was submitted by you, the players. If some are supposedly right-wing biased, it is because most players are conservatives (whether they like to admit it or not). I actually took the trouble to write and submit a bunch of issues with a socialist or environmentalist side to them, but I will be lucky to have even one accepted because competition is so intense. Some people simply have more flair when it comes to writing. But if you see a gap and have a good idea what could fill it, have a go.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Well-said TG. I'll add that there are an awful lot of good issues out there - both running wild and free in the game and waiting to be released - and that I'm very envious of those who have the creativity to actually come up with them.

Come on folks, relax. So what if you have to dismiss some issues. I'll bet $20 we're all doing it -- but that we're all dismissing DIFFERENT ones. Are you trying to tell me you never dismissed any of the original issues?


Heh... with this nation there's very few issues I don't dismiss. With one of my countries, I dismiss every issue that comes up, as it has the UN designation I want, the rankings I want (Outlawed/Frightening/Outlawed), and the flavor text at the bottom is fitting (torture, cult killings, death to drunks, death to someone else). Since I don't want any of that to change, I dismiss.

(Note: I realise that would be a horrible place to live, but that's where I was taking it...)

As for the issues, I have said before, the new issues are the best-written examples of what was submitted by you, the players.
Hmmm. Let's see if I can piss off more people than Cirdanistan. OK, if this is the best you've seen you need to trash more and approve less. If you've got thousands more to read through, the faster you trash, the more likely you may find one that reads half as good and is as entertaining as the ones Max wrote. I'd say, read the first option and if it doesn't make you laugh and if you have to make any grammatical changes to it, it's round file time.

RP, sorry for the insult, but if you don't like the issues you're letting in, don't let them in.

Funny, first you complain that apparently, left- wing issues aren´t allowed, then you promote censorship?

Now, for starters: Where is the logical flaw in this?

As for the issues, I have said before, the new issues are the best-written examples of what was submitted by you, the players.
Hmmm. Let's see if I can piss off more people than Cirdanistan. OK, if this is the best you've seen you need to trash more and approve less. If you've got thousands more to read through, the faster you trash, the more likely you may find one that reads half as good and is as entertaining as the ones Max wrote. I'd say, read the first option and if it doesn't make you laugh and if you have to make any grammatical changes to it, it's round file time.

The answer is, on the face of it, easy: NationStates players need to write good issues. :wink:

In practice, that is proving difficult.

As for the issues, I have said before, the new issues are the best-written examples of what was submitted by you, the players.
Hmmm. Let's see if I can piss off more people than Cirdanistan. OK, if this is the best you've seen you need to trash more and approve less. If you've got thousands more to read through, the faster you trash, the more likely you may find one that reads half as good and is as entertaining as the ones Max wrote. I'd say, read the first option and if it doesn't make you laugh and if you have to make any grammatical changes to it, it's round file time.

The answer is, on the face of it, easy: NationStates players need to write good issues. :wink:

In practice, that is proving difficult.

Take up the helm yourself, kinda what I am attempting now as wel (tho I actually likke some of the new ones).

Alos, frequent the Got Issues? forum, to help those coming up with issue ideas.

As for the issues, I have said before, the new issues are the best-written examples of what was submitted by you, the players.
Hmmm. Let's see if I can piss off more people than Cirdanistan. OK, if this is the best you've seen you need to trash more and approve less. If you've got thousands more to read through, the faster you trash, the more likely you may find one that reads half as good and is as entertaining as the ones Max wrote. I'd say, read the first option and if it doesn't make you laugh and if you have to make any grammatical changes to it, it's round file time.
^Genius.

I have more fun if I treat it as an irrational game and less as a serious competition.

The answer is, on the face of it, easy: NationStates players need to write good issues. :wink:

In practice, that is proving difficult.
You only have to look at the UN, II and General Forums, and a few random regional message boards, to understand why.

could i know in what way having the state operate a gold mine on its own f---' property makes it less democratic? :roll: there isn't such a thing as a "right to luck", and if it were it would affect CR. Can you point me to a single issue that is good for anti-capitalist countries? no, you can't. Some issues-like the one i talked about above-were even designed are deliberately designed to trap non-liberal nations. What's the point of sifting issues then? why not just have me "dismiss all" when my issues are "K1LL T3H C0MM0N1Z75" or "f--- THE GHEYS"? are you mods so desperate for attention you need everybody to know how you vote?fine, you vote Democrat(and sometimes Republican, when there's a moderate Reppie you like)/New Labour/Democratie Liberale/CDU and similar parties, now can i have my cookie? as for SLAG editing HIS OWN ISSUES....how screwed up is that?especially when you realise the utter lack of choice in his issue, it's either moralism or dictatorship, both of which are -surprise, surprise- right-wing responses. And f--- YOU, Rep Prod, for letting in some of the most biased issues ever when you keep good ones out. The mod team is in urgent need of replacement; Rep Prod and SLAG who deliberately screwed up our issue pool need to go, and so does Menelmacar who was given modship not to moderate but to use it to her own advantage in RP. And maybe give us a better political representation of mods instead of a lib-dem clique, maybe we could have a decent NS then.

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

WHAT DO WE WANT?
UNBIASED MODERATION!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

You need to grow up.

You need to grow up.
Clever. Not to mention relevant. *thumbs up*

The answer is, on the face of it, easy: NationStates players need to write good issues. :wink:

In practice, that is proving difficult.
You only have to look at the UN, II and General Forums, and a few random regional message boards, to understand why.

I understand that, TG -- I have one in the queue that may or may not see the light of day this century. ;) They are difficult to write well, IMHO, and no one issue can please everyone.

I am not criticizing you or the mods, nor my fellow players: simply saying that to criticize the new issues and say they must improve is to say that we PLAYERS must write better ones. Ergo, anyone who complains that they stink should do as Cirdanistan did: write some and wait to see if they are accepted.

There is a log of mod activity which is watched over by [violet].
Correct. [violet] periodically reviews it and any abuse of Mod powers would be noticed.

As for the mods all being good friends, who knows.
I assume its like any instance with coworkers, you get along to do your jobs.
Correct again. You talk to some a lot more than others. You know some a lot better than others. Inevitably, it depends on what you are working on.

I do know, that the ideologies of the mods are veried, so the likelyhood of a conspiracy against you is low.
Correct yet again. We represent most of the political spectrum. But our political beliefs do not enter into the job at hand. A spammer is a spammer. A multi is a multi. An inappropriate UN proposal is an inappropriate UN proposal.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator$the ideologies of the mods?varied??! not a single one is even left of center, much less far left! i don't think they have any fascist scum, either, but i won't complain about that.

The answer is, on the face of it, easy: NationStates players need to write good issues. :wink:

In practice, that is proving difficult.
You only have to look at the UN, II and General Forums, and a few random regional message boards, to understand why.
at least we can agree on something ;)

I think there is something wrong with the issues - the effects rather than anything. I always pick the most left-wing options available, and my country is said to have 'private enterprise outlawed' - yet my UN category is 'Capitalist Paradise'. I understand that there are 'unexpected effects' - but this is taking it too far.

$the ideologies of the mods?varied??! not a single one is even left of center, much less far left! i don't think they have any fascist scum, either, but i won't complain about that.
Hmm, where art thou Stephistan.

Unlike you, I've spoken with a good number of the mods on a regular basis outside of the game.
Talking about lots of different things.
I can assure you, their viewpoints and opinions are varied.

$the ideologies of the mods?varied??! not a single one is even left of center, much less far left! i don't think they have any fascist scum, either, but i won't complain about that.
Hmm, where art thou Stephistan.

Unlike you, I've spoken with a good number of the mods on a regular basis outside of the game.
Talking about lots of different things.
I can assure you, their viewpoints and opinions are varied.oh, i'm nto syaing they all agree about everything-but if by varied you mean they run the spectrum of mainstream US politics, then i recommend strongly you leanr what varied means.

I'm left-wing if that helps. :|

I'm left-wing if that helps. :|
hmm...can't see anything truly right-wing in your nation, but you're still a cappie it seems....and that's a huge gulf.

I'm chaotic-neutral, so there! =p (Personally, I'm not into any particular political "-ism"s or left-wing, right-wing, whatever. I hate categories.)

I'm left-wing if that helps. :|
hmm...can't see anything truly right-wing in your nation, but you're still a cappie it seems....and that's a huge gulf.

With an imploded economy? :?

$the ideologies of the mods?varied??! not a single one is even left of center, much less far left! i don't think they have any fascist scum, either, but i won't complain about that.
Hmm, where art thou Stephistan.

Unlike you, I've spoken with a good number of the mods on a regular basis outside of the game.
Talking about lots of different things.
I can assure you, their viewpoints and opinions are varied.oh, i'm nto syaing they all agree about everything-but if by varied you mean they run the spectrum of mainstream US politics, then i recommend strongly you leanr what varied means.
I should learn what varied is?
You're were the one claiming some vast right-wing conspiracy against you.

I'm left-wing if that helps. :|
hmm...can't see anything truly right-wing in your nation, but you're still a cappie it seems....and that's a huge gulf.
Of course, we all know that our nations are excellent mirrors of our political leanings and have nothing to do with our imagination what-so-ever.

I don't know what inferences anyone can draw from Enodia itself, but IRL if anyone hints that I'm remotely to the Right I deck them.

I think Cirdanistan would complain if he were hung with a new rope. :roll:

I'm left-wing if that helps. :|
hmm...can't see anything truly right-wing in your nation, but you're still a cappie it seems....and that's a huge gulf.
Of course, we all know that our nations are excellent mirrors of our political leanings and have nothing to do with our imagination what-so-ever.

Even more important is the fact that ONLY players with capitalist nations will NEVER act neutral but ALWAYS stick to their kind, because they KNOW that NS is NOT a game but the IDIOLOGICAL BATTLEFIELD where capitalism and communism FIGHT to decide the FUTURE.

Edit: I wonder how long until i get the 'most typos ever' award of NS...

I'm left-wing if that helps. :|
hmm...can't see anything truly right-wing in your nation, but you're still a cappie it seems....and that's a huge gulf.
Of course, we all know that our nations are excellent mirrors of our political leanings and have nothing to do with our imagination what-so-ever.

Even more important is the fact that ONLY players with capitalist nations will NEVER act neutral but ALWAYS stick to their kind, because they KNOW that NS is NOT a game but the IDOLOGICAL BATTLEFIELD where capitalism and communism FIGHT to decide the FUTURE.

Grr. Argh.

I'm left-wing if that helps. :|
hmm...can't see anything truly right-wing in your nation, but you're still a cappie it seems....and that's a huge gulf.
Of course, we all know that our nations are excellent mirrors of our political leanings and have nothing to do with our imagination what-so-ever.

Even more important is the fact that ONLY players with capitalist nations will NEVER act neutral but ALWAYS stick to their kind, because they KNOW that NS is NOT a game but the IDOLOGICAL BATTLEFIELD where capitalism and communism FIGHT to decide the FUTURE.

? I'm sorry, I don't follow you. I generally play a capitalist nation, yet I choose "best for everyone through best for the state" sometimes.

Young Senoj brings the matter to his mentor Thandup Lama.

"Ah, then what is bias, grasshopper?" he asked.

Senoj frowned and then nodded. Bias is only bias when the idea conflicts with the idea of the one who hears.

The United States once bragged of unbiased journalism. Give me a break. All things have bias. You just don't like the slant.

Darnit, I thought this was a Limbo thread... I was curious just how low the mods could go, and hoping for a few pics as well.....stupid expectations...

http://www.soltec.net/~java/limbo.jpg

Now THERE is motivation NOT to touch the rope!

I'm left-wing if that helps. :|
hmm...can't see anything truly right-wing in your nation, but you're still a cappie it seems....and that's a huge gulf.

With an imploded economy? :?what has that to do with anything?what was the greatest economic recorded growth ever, may i ask? that's right-the first two quinquennal plans of the USSR, which for all it's faults was still a planned economy.

I don't know what inferences anyone can draw from Enodia itself, but IRL if anyone hints that I'm remotely to the Right I deck them.perhaps-but the difference between capitalism and anti-cpaitalism goes deeper than just differing economic systems, or even differing world views.

what has that to do with anything?what was the greatest economic recorded growth ever, may i ask? that's right-the first two quinquennal plans of the USSR, which for all it's faults was still a planned economy.

Best. Joke. Ever.

I don`t know what sources you use, but i suggest some form of cross- reading...

Isn't there a rule against RL-related political discussion in Moderation?

I don't know what inferences anyone can draw from Enodia itself, but IRL if anyone hints that I'm remotely to the Right I deck them.perhaps-but the difference between capitalism and anti-cpaitalism goes deeper than just differing economic systems, or even differing world views.
Well, believe you me that if you knew me offline you'd describe me as a flaming socialist (possibly with some more choice adjectives thrown in there). I wouldn't go that far meself, but such a description has certainly been applied.

I think Cirdanistan would complain if he were hung with a new rope. :roll:

LOL! My friend's mother says this, and I've never heard anyone other than she use this phrase. Nothingg, if you don't mind, where are you from?

Isn't there a rule against RL-related political discussion in Moderation?

I believe the basis for the discussion is Cirdanistan's feeling that the issues are skewed politically, and that the mods are similarly all of one ilk politically.

'Zackly, Katganistan. Given that the argument runs that leftist issues are dismissed by rightist mods, then the RL views of the mods are relevant. Only to a point, of course.

Damn.

Weren't we being railed against a month or so ago because we were all "liberal scum"?

Damn.

Weren't we being railed against a month or so ago because we were all "liberal scum"?

:idea: thank you for pointing out the fickle mass-political-affiliation tango...

Just remember: Liberals are all communist who control the media and want to destroy America while Republicans are war-mongering bigots who control the media and want to take away our freedoms and destroy the rest of the World...

Damn.

Weren't we being railed against a month or so ago because we were all "liberal scum"?but you are "liberal scum"! i just happen to know what liberal means ;)
and enodia-no, i wouldn't. Around here we've got political parties called the Revolutionary Communist League, and the Proletarian Struggle (rough translations) and a recent poll says 22% of the population is ready to vote for the far-left, so the criterion for being a 'flaming socialist' is pretty tight ;)

Touche. Can I ask where "around here" is, just out of curiosity?

Damn.

Weren't we being railed against a month or so ago because we were all "liberal scum"?but you are "liberal scum"! i just happen to know what liberal means

...yet you called said we had obvious right-wing biases.

Your logical inconsistancies are truly painful.

Damn.

Weren't we being railed against a month or so ago because we were all "liberal scum"?

I've actually only heard one person call the mods liberal scum, he just happens to say it alot.

Come on folks, relax. So what if you have to dismiss some issues. I'll bet $20 we're all doing it -- but that we're all dismissing DIFFERENT ones. Are you trying to tell me you never dismissed any of the original issues?


Heh... with this nation there's very few issues I don't dismiss. With one of my countries, I dismiss every issue that comes up, as it has the UN designation I want, the rankings I want (Outlawed/Frightening/Outlawed), and the flavor text at the bottom is fitting (torture, cult killings, death to drunks, death to someone else). Since I don't want any of that to change, I dismiss.

(Note: I realise that would be a horrible place to live, but that's where I was taking it...)

Wouldn't it be easier to just not answer the issues?

Or to not receive issues?

This brings up a good point... why are left-wing views generally the more humanitarian ones? Shouldn't both views be presented in a fair manner?

This thread isn't about politics, keep on-topic.

Here, I created a new thread to discuss it:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91023

...
I don't like you and think you are biased. You have NOT been insulted.
Without a little more substance than that, you HAVE been insulted.

Although self-editing does seem a little sketchy if you ask me...

:lol:
WHOOWEEE! We've got a real grudge-match going here. Gee, can I be made a mod so I can tell people to behave or else, too? I'd LOVE to delete nations. Nothing personal. Must be nice to have power corrupt one so totally. Oh, if only Lord Acton were still around to see how his ideas have gone down the drain.

Good God, this is STILL going?

Good God, this is STILL going?
A GMC post. :shock:

He has almost 6,000 posts and that's the third one that I've seen. :?

Good God, this is STILL going?
A GMC post. :shock:

He has almost 6,000 posts and that's the third one that I've seen. :?

There's a few in the Godmodding II Sticky...but I haven't seen many more than that myself.

<---- goes and runs search on GMC

Good God, this is STILL going?
A GMC post. :shock:

He has almost 6,000 posts and that's the third one that I've seen. :?

There's a few in the Godmodding II Sticky...but I haven't seen many more than that myself.

<---- goes and runs search on GMC

--Going against better judgement and going agains the grain of my own post, so yes I realize the irony/hypocrasy--


Can we please let this thread die? I really can't believe a thread this baseless still has stale breath. That said, Yeah I have only seen a few GMC posts myself...



-hope that didn't come across wrong, not trying to tell anyone else what to do or suggest that I could do such a thing, just getting really sick of seeing this thread still, esp. considering I have come across at least a few threads were comments could still be made that have been locked well before this one (not many mind you, I think things are a lot better in this regard, just a few).-

You're right, it has become quite pointless now.

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