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The mods tend to talk down to players, make generalisations about them and maginalise them a bit. So I was just wondering, in a general kind of sense, do the mods like the players?


<Why do I feel the need to put a disclaimer with this post?>

All the mods love me, and most of the players too!

I got a merriage proposal from Neut, but I had to decline since I don't like him much :P
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The mods love me.

In general, yeah, we like the players. But you have to realize, we're in a tough situation. Most of the interactions that we have with players in official capacities consist of wrongdoing by some player. And then, we get complaints no matter what we do. Thus, yeah, we like players over all, but there are times when it does get to be quite tiring.

The mods like me, I think.

They put up with a LOT of shit from us, us meaning the entire community of NS. And yeah I bet it gets very tiring like Salusa said. But in a way, it's needed. As much as they try to say they're gods (which they are...please don't smite me), any system of authority/compliance needs checks and balances. Out of the 1000 complaints they get, there may be 2 or 3 in there that may make them go, "Oh yeah..."

Huh. Players...

:wink:

Of course we like you all!

You know, maybe if the players weren't such jerks to the mods, they wouldn't "look down on us." Ever think of that, anyone?

No, the mods loathe the players! Nationstates would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better if we were just allowed to DEAT you all! MwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Seriously, there are some players that I wouldn't mind accidentally getting rid of, but they're in the minority. Most of you guys are okay :wink:

~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Game Mod

No, the mods loathe the players! Nationstates would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better if we were just allowed to DEAT you all! MwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Seriously, there are some players that I wouldn't mind accidentally getting rid of, but they're in the minority. Most of you guys are okay :wink:

~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Game Mod

I think it's fairly obvious that's a joke, since if you deleted all of us, there would be no point for the mods to exist.

Sure there would be, they would just sit and have DEAT contests, or call eachother out into the forum and see who can DEAT the fastest. Much like the old westerns :D

Do the mods actually like the other players?

depends on the mod

The mods are players, after all :P

The mods are players, after all :P

the key word is other :roll:

NationStates has some great players, the ones I know and respect should know who they are, although they will know me by several different names. Seriously, I have only been a Mod a couple of weeks, and in the months before that, I was actually playing the game. I still play and have not forgotten those still with us. :wink:

Seriously, there are some players that I wouldn't mind accidentally getting rid of, but they're in the minority. Most of you guys are okay, especially that TnUI :wink:

~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Game Mod

See I told you.

...interections...

Nice typo... ;)

I got a merriage prosal from Neut, but I had to decline since I don't like him much :P


Yeah, tell that one to Jaime...see what happens :P


All in all, I dont have problems with many players. I know I sound condescending more than any other mod, but I ask you to look at who I'm usually responding to when I do so. Most of the time that I'm condescending, it's towards those that have broken the rules repeatedly, or are bitching that the rules dont favor them, etc. - in other words, those that deserve it.

The rest of ya, well, you can all just go to hell!!!111one ;)

I got a merriage prosal from Neut, but I had to decline since I don't like him much :P
:shock: You learn something new about your fellow players every day.

The rest of ya, well, you can all just go to hell!!!111one Apart from TnUI ;)

It's nice to know I'm so loved.

The Mods love me more than any other player. :oops:

Well they all seem to like or at least tolerate me.

Well they all seem to like or at least tolerate me.

Everyone likes you. :wink:

Well they all seem to like or at least tolerate me.

Everyone likes you. :wink:
Ahem.

I like the mods, and hopefully they at least don't find me too annoying.

Since I help moderate another site, that might KIND OF color my perceptions of them and the job they do..... :lol:

EVERYONE loves me! :D :D :D :D :D

Well they all seem to like or at least tolerate me.

Everyone likes you. :wink:

A certian Aussie who I was in love with seemed to hate my guts for no appearant reason. So...not everyone likes me.

i dont think they even know me....then again i dont post much and try not to make many people mad at me(especially the mods)

Of course they love me! Who doesn't? :D :P


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i've never actually dealt with the mods. i'm pretty sure i've never even talked to any of them (i.e responded to something one said, or said something to which one responded).

i'm just curious as to why they delete posts and nations sometimes, but still leave evidence that the post once existed (you know, the ones that say "post deleted by nationstates moderators", with "ex-nation" as the author)

The mods seem to like most of the players that don't cause trouble. They're also usually pretty cool about people who are just trying to have fun. It's just when one person's fun comes at another's expensive that they have to take action.

The mods seem to like most of the players that don't cause trouble. They're also usually pretty cool about people who are just trying to have fun. It's just when one person's fun comes at another's expensive that they have to take action.
Well, I don't always find the mods to be exactly fountains of charm, and I don't think I cause (much) trouble.

All in all, I dont have problems with many players. I know I sound condescending more than any other mod, but I ask you to look at who I'm usually responding to when I do so.
I hope you won't take it to heart if I say that you were one of the people I was thinking about when I made this thread. Although I very rarely have complaint about you in an official capacity, I've felt the sharp end of your tongue on more than one occasion, and I'm not sure that I particularly deserved it.

Stop pushing issues and there wont be a problem. See, I get a sharp tongue when a question/issue is answered, and yet those who dont like the answer continue to attempt to push the Mods around. It doesnt work that way, and no amount of bitching/whining/moaning/pushing is going to cause the Mods to change a ruling.

i'm just curious as to why they delete posts and nations sometimes, but still leave evidence that the post once existed (you know, the ones that say "post deleted by nationstates moderators", with "ex-nation" as the author)
Firstly, it is just the way it seems to work, when a Game Mod deletes a nation, there is an option to delete all of their posts, and a "shadow" remains. Secondly, this is kind of helpful in that it preserves a record of sorts, where they spammed or whatever. That is useful sometimes. I have on occasion referred people to threads when answering a query as to why a particular nation was deleted, and it all makes sense - the shadow of a deleted post, a couple of posts by other nations calling for the porn to be removed, another shadow, etc. Otherwise, it would be confusing, but this way, one glance tells the story.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

i'm just curious as to why they delete posts and nations sometimes, but still leave evidence that the post once existed (you know, the ones that say "post deleted by nationstates moderators", with "ex-nation" as the author)
Firstly, it is just the way it seems to work, when a Game Mod deletes a nation, there is an option to delete all of their posts, and a "shadow" remains. Secondly, this is kind of helpful in that it preserves a record of sorts, where they spammed or whatever. That is useful sometimes. I have on occasion referred people to threads when answering a query as to why a particular nation was deleted, and it all makes sense - the shadow of a deleted post, a couple of posts by other nations calling for the porn to be removed, another shadow, etc. Otherwise, it would be confusing, but this way, one glance tells the story.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

You mean that --Post deleted by the NationStates Moderators-- thing?

You mean that --Post deleted by the NationStates Moderators-- thing?
Yes, that's the one. It's an automatic thingy.

Stop pushing issues and there wont be a problem. See, I get a sharp tongue when a question/issue is answered, and yet those who dont like the answer continue to attempt to push the Mods around. It doesnt work that way, and no amount of bitching/whining/moaning/pushing is going to cause the Mods to change a ruling.
The "siddown and shaddup" approach to modding I see.


What was the moderation forum created for, exactly?

EVERYONE loves me! :D :D :D :D :D

Sorry, Vlad.

;) j/k Couldn't resist. :P


--Felix

Stop pushing issues and there wont be a problem. See, I get a sharp tongue when a question/issue is answered, and yet those who dont like the answer continue to attempt to push the Mods around. It doesnt work that way, and no amount of bitching/whining/moaning/pushing is going to cause the Mods to change a ruling.
The "siddown and shaddup" approach to modding I see.


What was the moderation forum created for, exactly?

No, the "your question's been answered, why must I answer every question 50 times and you still continue to ask it" approach to modding.

How can I become a moderator?

How can I become a moderator?

You have to send a cheque to Max Barry.

There's a sticky in this very forum.

There's a sticky in this very forum.

You know as well as I do that nobody reads the stickies. ;)

...why do you think there're so many locked threads in NS2? lol

Back to topic, here is an example of the kind of thing I'm talking about, Neut's comments in particular.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85431&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

...Myrth was right...


Too bad you didnt read my post about rephrasing questions just because you dont like the answer, neither this time around, nor any of our previous times around...

...Myrth was right...


Too bad you didnt read my post about rephrasing questions just because you dont like the answer, neither this time around, nor any of our previous times around...
Why don't you give me an actual example of any of those occasions then? Like a pair of quotes which show me asking the same question twice, something like that.

...Myrth was right...


Too bad you didnt read my post about rephrasing questions just because you dont like the answer, neither this time around, nor any of our previous times around...
Too bad you can't stop sounding so rude.

...Myrth was right...


Too bad you didnt read my post about rephrasing questions just because you dont like the answer, neither this time around, nor any of our previous times around...
Too bad you can't stop sounding so rude.
Oh, according to him, its because I deserve it.

On-topic please.

Tactical Grace Edit: Off-topic posts split at this point.

if you're a mod that likes or doesn''t hate norman then please state your name

and if i know you're lying I will say so :P

*is being ignored*

:x I see how it is!!! :x

I have an idea for splitting this into a reasonable topic in General. Thing is, the stuff that would be left would be all flames.

I have an idea for splitting this into a reasonable topic in General. Thing is, the stuff that would be left would be all flames.


*Looks at TG all innocent like and tries to hide his flame thrower behind his back* :D

That would'nt be much fun, just a thread full of flames

Well I wouldn't object to this getting back on topic.

Sod it, this post is getting bumped so as to get a re-hijack.
Back to topic, here is an example of the kind of thing I'm talking about, Neut's comments in particular.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85431&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

...Myrth was right...


Too bad you didnt read my post about rephrasing questions just because you dont like the answer, neither this time around, nor any of our previous times around...

Alright, fine
...Myrth was right...


Too bad you didnt read my post about rephrasing questions just because you dont like the answer, neither this time around, nor any of our previous times around...
Why don't you give me an actual example of any of those occasions then? Like a pair of quotes which show me asking the same question twice, something like that.

no?

I'll just split the cool stuff before someone locks it. :shock:

Spoffin. Stop.

No, the mods loathe the players! Nationstates would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better if we were just allowed to DEAT you all! MwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Seriously, there are some players that I wouldn't mind accidentally getting rid of, but they're in the minority. Most of you guys are okay :wink:

~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Game Mod

Just okay?
*Sob*

I like the players.. it's those damn mods I dislike.!!! Hahaha j/k .. :lol:

I agree with Rep.. there are some players I could do without, but on the whole, I like most of the players I come in contact with. The players I don't like to much are certainly in the minority!

Deleted by self. This is unbelievable

I like the players.. it's those damn mods I dislike.!!! Hahaha j/k .. :lol:

I agree with Rep.. there are some players I could do without, but on the whole, I like most of the players I come in contact with. The players I don't like to much are certainly in the minority!

I think thats how most players feel. I've never noticed you really talk down to anyone in the way I described tho Steph.

*gives Steph a "good mod" badge*

:D

I do not appreciate being used to continue your flamebait/insulting of another Mod. Consider yourself on your final warning.

Stephanie
Forum Mod

I like the players.. it's those damn mods I dislike.!!! Hahaha j/k .. :lol:

I agree with Rep.. there are some players I could do without, but on the whole, I like most of the players I come in contact with. The players I don't like to much are certainly in the minority!

I think thats how most players feel. I've never noticed you really talk down to anyone in the way I described tho Steph.

*gives Steph a "good mod" badge*

:D

I do not appreciate being used to continue your flamebait/insulting of another Mod. Consider yourself on your final warning.

Stephanie
Forum Mod
HUH??!! What exactly was the first warning?????

Spoffin. Stop.

Spoffin. Stop.

Perhaps this?

Stephanie
Forum Mod

Spoffin. Stop.
And what did I do to deserve that?

And what did I do to deserve that?

Spoffin, step down from this battle and live to fight another day. It isn't worth gettin' deleted for man, it isn't worth it....

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85431

It has become overly frequent to see players attempting to resolve issues which only the Mods can resolve.

On the other hand, ]<snip>
Doesn't this suggest that players are supposed to help other players with problems too?

There are different kinds of problems. Not every issue needs a Mod. However, as I stated and you conveniently left out, no player can know the reasons for a nations deletion or UN ejection. Posting in a thread wherein a player is asking for assistance directly from a Moderator has become overly frequent, and is now somewhat akin to "spam" in attempts to become the next Moderator (not in every case, but in far too many).

And I gave a reason in the original post that was misquoted: Oft times those experienced players give mistaken information, or jump to the wrong conclusion and as a result confusion abounds. Thus, we ask that players not address issues that only a Mod can address.

The other forums have plenty of players asking for assistance that does not require a Moderator's input, and players are therein encouraged to assist (RP, Tech issues, UN, etc.).

no player can know the reasons for a nations deletion or UN ejection. Posting in a thread wherein a player is asking for assistance directly from a Moderator has become overly frequent, and is now somewhat akin to "spam" in attempts to become the next Moderator (not in every case, but in far too many).As to the first bit, don't you think it would therefore be a good idea to put the reasons for ejections or deletions somewhere? As to the second bit, I don't quite understand what you mean, are you suggesting helpful posts are spam?

And what did I do to deserve that?

Spoffin, step down from this battle and live to fight another day. It isn't worth gettin' deleted for man, it isn't worth it....
Yeah, you're right. I don't exactly see what purpose deleting me will serve, but there you go.

Other than tenacity, I'm yet to understand what I've done wrong. I'm not trying to be difficult here, I just honestly don't get it at all.

Cog, what was that re-quote about?

Spoffin, if it isn't too late, call it a night, log off.

Okay. I'm absolutely gonna drop this. I'll never set foot in the mod forum again, if thats what you want. Lock those threads, do whatever you want, just don't delete Spoffin.

Cog, what was that re-quote about?

You wanted to know where you rephrased a question. That's an example right there. Note, in particular, these two lines:

Doesn't this suggest that players are supposed to help other players with problems too?

As to the second bit, I don't quite understand what you mean, are you suggesting helpful posts are spam?

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"Think about it for a moment."
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