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Flamebait?

19-10-2003, 18:07
but Nazis are retards.

Nazis and Retards (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1863114)


.. Isn't that considered flamebait? I know my threads have been shut down for far less.
19-10-2003, 18:09
I feel kind of bad for the retards, I mean, comparing them to nazis like that, it's really not fair to them.
imported_Sozy
19-10-2003, 18:11
Well Nazis are usually retards, I do not see the problem. Nazi have cost major problems to NS anyway, I think that of the rule violating nations a relatively high percentage is actually Nazi. This is not flaming if you do think so maybe you are slightly mad.
Kholdstare
19-10-2003, 18:13
Well Nazis are usually retards, I do not see the problem. Nazi have cost major problems to NS anyway, I think that of the rule violating nations a relatively high percentage is actually Nazi. This is not flaming if you do think so maybe you are slightly mad.
That's even more flaming on a more personal level..
imported_Sozy
19-10-2003, 18:14
Well Nazis are usually retards, I do not see the problem. Nazi have cost major problems to NS anyway, I think that of the rule violating nations a relatively high percentage is actually Nazi. This is not flaming if you do think so maybe you are slightly mad.
That's even more flaming on a more personal level..

This is what Nazis deserve :?
19-10-2003, 19:44
Well Nazis are usually retards, I do not see the problem. Nazi have cost major problems to NS anyway, I think that of the rule violating nations a relatively high percentage is actually Nazi. This is not flaming if you do think so maybe you are slightly mad.

So it's ok to flame a group of people that, in your opinion, is a "problem?"
Isn't that what a few "nazis" have been banned for?

Well [Insert ethnic group] are usually retards, I do not see the problem. [Insert ethnic group] have caused major problems to [Insert place] anyway, I think that of the rule violating people a relatively high percentage is actually [Insert ethnic group]. This is not flaming if you do think so maybe you are slightly mad.

So.. it's okay to flame people you don't like.

.. Unless you're a nazi.

Flamebait is flamebait. The mods never said that it was only flamebait if so and so did it. They gave a broad definition of the term. And this fits the description that was given to me. I expect the rules of the forum to be applied to everyone - not just to a few. Just because it's pc to bash racists doesn't mean that the definition of "flamebait" changes. It used to be pc to bash blacks, or do you not remember that?
The Damned People
19-10-2003, 19:55
Well Nazis are usually retards, I do not see the problem. Nazi have cost major problems to NS anyway, I think that of the rule violating nations a relatively high percentage is actually Nazi. This is not flaming if you do think so maybe you are slightly mad.
That's even more flaming on a more personal level..

This is what Nazis deserve :?

Shut the fuck up. You are so obviously ignorant that it astounds me. How can you be so damn hypocritical? It's as if you're blind in one eye. How about you re-asses what you just said and edit out all the dumbass.

-Nik
The Damned People
19-10-2003, 19:56
I'm sorry for the flaming. I really am. It's just that the hypocracy of some people astounds me.

-Nik
imported_Sozy
19-10-2003, 20:07
These were my first flame posts, I am not very proud though :cry: I just have a personal hate regarding to Nazi's.
19-10-2003, 20:15
These were my first flame posts, I am not very proud though :cry: I just have a personal hate regarding to Nazi's.

.. yes, because hating people that hate isn't hypocritical at all.
:roll:
19-10-2003, 20:17
what i flaimebaite
19-10-2003, 20:52
Ban the lefties.
Draztonia
19-10-2003, 20:54
what i flaimebaite

stfu stupid n00b, read the stickies ffs!

(ya happy now, Qaa?)
19-10-2003, 20:55
what i flaimebaite

stfu stupid n00b, read the stickies ffs!

(ya happy now, Qaa?)

Modalert, per tradition.
Neutered Sputniks
19-10-2003, 20:55
KNOCK IT OFF.


Sozy - you're on shaky ground. VERY shaky ground. One more flame, and I'll get my DEAT on, Kapeesh?


State Sponsored Terror - thank you for taking the appropriate action and bringing the thread and it's flame to the attention of the Moderating team. I will investigate shortly, and handle what I find as is necessary.


Draztonia - consider yourself warned. One more flame - out you go.


The Damned People - flaming and then apologizing immediately following is akin to murdering someone and then immediately apologizing to their family. You still murdered someone. You are also warned.
Spoffin
19-10-2003, 20:56
These were my first flame posts, I am not very proud though :cry: I just have a personal hate regarding to Nazi's.

.. yes, because hating people that hate isn't hypocritical at all.
:roll:and telling an anti nazi that they hate to much isn't hipocritical either.

And it would only be hipocritical if it was because they hated people.
19-10-2003, 20:56
KNOCK IT OFF.

Sorry.
Neutered Sputniks
19-10-2003, 21:00
KNOCK IT OFF.


Sozy - you're on shaky ground. VERY shaky ground. One more flame, and I'll get my DEAT on, Kapeesh?


State Sponsored Terror - thank you for taking the appropriate action and bringing the thread and it's flame to the attention of the Moderating team. I will investigate shortly, and handle what I find as is necessary.


Draztonia - consider yourself warned. One more flame - out you go.


The Damned People - flaming and then apologizing immediately following is akin to murdering someone and then immediately apologizing to their family. You still murdered someone. You are also warned.
The Damned People
19-10-2003, 21:07
The Damned People - flaming and then apologizing immediately following is akin to murdering someone and then immediately apologizing to their family. You still murdered someone. You are also warned.

Ha... this reminds me of the time I murdered that guy... wait, nevermind.

-Nik
Draztonia
19-10-2003, 21:11
KNOCK IT OFF.


Draztonia - consider yourself warned. One more flame - out you go.

Technically I didn't flame anyone. Happyland Empire was a puppet of Qaa created for the sole purpose of getting flamed, I just gave him what he wanted. However, I will accept the warning if I must.
imported_Sozy
20-10-2003, 15:42
I am sorry I and I do apologise it WILL NOT happen again, trust me. It is not something I would like to explain on this board, it is quite personal. But I have a certain hate against Nazi's. I will stop now sorry for flaming.

Greetings Daniel, President of Sozy.
imported_Sozy
20-10-2003, 16:25
It seems no one particularly cares about my apologise. I do understand that the mods are very unhappy with me for what I did in my previous post, and that is wrong because I violated the rule. I do hope I am allowed to post my own opinion and that is: of I see a nation with a motto which is linked to the "fact" that Zionists occupy the US it makes me very angry, if you would have jews VERY close in your family or friendship you might be able to understand. I have seen Nazi's in my town who were shouting and punching Turkish or other foreigners that makes me REALLY angry: in case of a racist (now I am not insulting anyone personally) he might think such things are cool but I don't. My general view of Nazi's and racists is VERY negative and that makes me wanting to insult them: even sometimes on a board where the rules are such I am almost not allowed to critise Nazi's or people acting like Nazi's (which is a VERY sick way of amusing yourself).

Thank you for your time, Daniel Karssenberg.
20-10-2003, 16:36
Noone does care, true.
Cogitation
20-10-2003, 17:22
Everyone here is, of course, allowed to conduct an intellectual debate.

In this case, that means stating that the Nazis are wrong and giving logically organized reasons for why they're wrong. Remember to avoid personal insults, namecalling, in particular.

It is quite possible to oppose Nazis while not violating forum rules.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator
imported_Sozy
20-10-2003, 17:50
Okay it will not happen again, you can be sure of that. Shocked me though to get a warning of the moderators that wasn't really where I was looking for: but I know I HAVE BEEN wrong. I certainly hope you want to trust me that I will not flame again.
Neutered Sputniks
20-10-2003, 18:02
Hey, it's all gravy. Just make an effort to not let it happen again. There's a difference between using forceful language, and insults...
Cogitation
20-10-2003, 19:25
Hey, it's all gravy. Just make an effort to not let it happen again. There's a difference between using forceful language, and insults...

I assume you meant to say "groovy" instead of "gravy". :P

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Neutered Sputniks
20-10-2003, 19:26
No, Cog, I meant to say "gravy"
20-10-2003, 19:32
---Post deleted by NationStates Moderators---
Tactical Grace
20-10-2003, 19:35
Hmm, your last nation, similarly named, was deleted for impropriety. You used this new one to troll in your first post. I think you may have just committed suicide.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
imported_Sozy
20-10-2003, 19:39
ey lads we'll have less of this. Nationstates is a happy website, let's talk about the footy at the weekend or sumthing

No, thinks like warnings for flaming or something similar have to be talked about. I don't like it either but although apologises say far less than actions and apologise on it's place is always a good thing.
20-10-2003, 19:39
:lol:
Ackbar
22-10-2003, 05:23
but Nazis are retards.

Nazis and Retards (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1863114)

.. Isn't that considered flamebait? I know my threads have been shut down for far less.

Well Nazis are usually retards, I do not see the problem. Nazi have cost major problems to NS anyway, I think that of the rule violating nations a relatively high percentage is actually Nazi. This is not flaming if you do think so maybe you are slightly mad.
That's even more flaming on a more personal level..[/quote]

Never good when I agree with a Nazi. I think it is one thing to disagree with them politically, and maybe even to make a tongue-in-cheek comments if there is an established rapport and it is not malicious in spirit. Got to agree with you SST, the anti-nazi posts I quoted do not seem to create anything positive.

Then Damned Nation Posts:

Well Nazis are usually retards, I do not see the problem. Nazi have cost major problems to NS anyway, I think that of the rule violating nations a relatively high percentage is actually Nazi. This is not flaming if you do think so maybe you are slightly mad.
That's even more flaming on a more personal level..

This is what Nazis deserve :?

Shut the f--- up. You are so obviously ignorant that it astounds me. How can you be so damn hypocritical? It's as if you're blind in one eye. How about you re-asses what you just said and edit out all the dumbass.

-Nik

and one minute later:

I'm sorry for the flaming. I really am. It's just that the hypocracy of some people astounds me.

-Nik

My Response:

I don’t wish to be negative at all. But it seems to me if you were actually sorry you would have edited or deleted the post, rather then simply say you were sorry. Actions speak louder then birds.


Ban the lefties.

I just like to quote ex-nations.

KNOCK IT OFF.


Sozy - you're on shaky ground. VERY shaky ground. One more flame, and I'll get my DEAT on, Kapeesh?


State Sponsored Terror - thank you for taking the appropriate action and bringing the thread and it's flame to the attention of the Moderating team. I will investigate shortly, and handle what I find as is necessary.


Draztonia - consider yourself warned. One more flame - out you go.


The Damned People - flaming and then apologizing immediately following is akin to murdering someone and then immediately apologizing to their family. You still murdered someone. You are also warned.

I agreed with Neut. Doesn’t that mean a rabbit just walked over my grave or something?

Everyone here is, of course, allowed to conduct an intellectual debate.

In this case, that means stating that the Nazis are wrong and giving logically organized reasons for why they're wrong. Remember to avoid personal insults, namecalling, in particular.


--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

Jerk.
:wink:

In conclusion:

Hey, it's all gravy. Just make an effort to not let it happen again. There's a difference between using forceful language, and insults...

I assume you meant to say "groovy" instead of "gravy". :P

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

+

No, Cog, I meant to say "gravy"

= Cog must be really old. :lol:
22-10-2003, 05:44
Why cry about nazi bashing... why cry about bashing any group of people for any reason.... If you want to disagree then that's fine, if you want to make the basher look like an idiot: even better... Why should we all have to be Politically Correct for you?..... Just so you know, crying to a Mod is something kindergardeners do... don't be a kindergardener.... kindergardeners are wussies and retarded: your not a retarded wussie kindergardener.... are you......
The Most Glorious Hack
22-10-2003, 05:45
Why cry about nazi bashing... why cry about bashing any group of people for any reason.... If you want to disagree then that's fine, if you want to make the basher look like an idiot: even better... Why should we all have to be Politically Correct for you?..... Just so you know, crying to a Mod is something kindergardeners do... don't be a kindergardener.... kindergardeners are wussies and retarded: your not a retarded wussie kindergardener.... are you......

I seem to recall you being warned for flaming...
22-10-2003, 06:25
Why cry about nazi bashing... why cry about bashing any group of people for any reason.... If you want to disagree then that's fine, if you want to make the basher look like an idiot: even better... Why should we all have to be Politically Correct for you?..... Just so you know, crying to a Mod is something kindergardeners do... don't be a kindergardener.... kindergardeners are wussies and retarded: your not a retarded wussie kindergardener.... are you......

I seem to recall you being warned for flaming...

:idea: my point exactly
The Most Glorious Hack
22-10-2003, 06:26
So stop flaming.
22-10-2003, 06:40
So stop flaming.

I was told that I don't have to be politically correct, but this is a list of what I agreed not to post....

Anything that is
obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam

I havn't done any of this... so apparently "flaming" refers to sarcasm and wit in my case...
The Most Glorious Hack
22-10-2003, 06:42
This:

"Just so you know, crying to a Mod is something kindergardeners do... don't be a kindergardener.... kindergardeners are wussies and retarded: your not a retarded wussie kindergardener"

is flaming.
22-10-2003, 06:45
Everything is flaming. No agreeing with moderators opinion is flaming. saying fuck and managing it shall remain uncensored is flaming. Calling someone n00b will soon be considered as flaming. Calling someone gay will cause IP bans soon.

Soon enough the world will collapse and mods will manage to set themselves as founders everuwhere.

This brings a questoion: are the moderators in some noobish free masonry or zionist organisation seeking total control of the mass media?
The Most Glorious Hack
22-10-2003, 06:49
This brings a questoion: are the moderators in some noobish free masonry or zionist organisation seeking total control of the mass media?

Yeah, sure. That's it.
Crownguard
22-10-2003, 06:52
Apparently, I forgot stupidity had no bounds. Poor Fisz....how many times were you dropped on the head? Has to be more than one. *shakes head* Since when did the freemasons or "zionists" control anything anyways?
Crownguard
22-10-2003, 06:53
This brings a questoion: are the moderators in some noobish free masonry or zionist organisation seeking total control of the mass media?

Yeah, sure. That's it.


Ill get the hang of the snappy comeback....some day....... (flashes back to The Little Engine That Could)
22-10-2003, 07:06
This brings a questoion: are the moderators in some noobish free masonry or zionist organisation seeking total control of the mass media?

Yeah, sure. That's it.

:idea: Sarcasm, look it up.... yes it may be "flaming" but it isn't obscene,
illegal, threatening, malicious, defamatory or spam!!!!
The Most Glorious Hack
22-10-2003, 07:38
:idea: Sarcasm, look it up.... yes it may be "flaming" but it isn't obscene,
illegal, threatening, malicious, defamatory or spam!!!!

Last chance to knock it off.
22-10-2003, 07:46
/me knocks himself hard. Falls unconscious on the floor. Probably coma. Thread lock?
Ackbar
23-10-2003, 14:40
Everything is flaming. No agreeing with moderators opinion is flaming. saying f--- and managing it shall remain uncensored is flaming. Calling someone n00b will soon be considered as flaming. Calling someone gay will cause IP bans soon.

Soon enough the world will collapse and mods will manage to set themselves as founders everuwhere.


I have disagreed and held discussion on issues with mods on issues in which we disagreed many times. Some of these debates became more heated then I preferred, but I was able to use my head and not flame. Not only this, I have never been accused of flaming. DO not flatter yourself to believe it is the divinity of your thought which offends them, rather that it is your technique which legitimately causes concern.

Don’t kick a bum in the groin and then try to sue him for dirtying up your shoe. You can disagree with out flaming. If you don’t know what flaming is, honestly consider the issue. If you can’t figure it out you may have to find a different game.
24-10-2003, 08:02
Everything is flaming. No agreeing with moderators opinion is flaming. saying f--- and managing it shall remain uncensored is flaming. Calling someone n00b will soon be considered as flaming. Calling someone gay will cause IP bans soon.

Soon enough the world will collapse and mods will manage to set themselves as founders everuwhere.


I have disagreed and held discussion on issues with mods on issues in which we disagreed many times. Some of these debates became more heated then I preferred, but I was able to use my head and not flame. Not only this, I have never been accused of flaming. DO not flatter yourself to believe it is the divinity of your thought which offends them, rather that it is your technique which legitimately causes concern.

Don’t kick a bum in the groin and then try to sue him for dirtying up your shoe. You can disagree with out flaming. If you don’t know what flaming is, honestly consider the issue. If you can’t figure it out you may have to find a different game.

*hands cookie to Ackbar*