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Thread needs moving (I think)

Catholic Europe
17-10-2003, 21:27
Does this thread need moving? http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82328

I think that it should not be in general - does it need moving?
TROUSRS
17-10-2003, 21:41
You are right sir!

Either that or NationStates (Since you can talk about llamas there)
Catholic Europe
17-10-2003, 21:43
Ooh! I've been called a sir.

Anyway, thankyou for affirming what I believed. Now lets hope a mod does the same!
Nitwitium
17-10-2003, 21:55
Ooh! I've been called a sir.

Anyway, thankyou for affirming what I believed. Now lets hope a mod does the same!

If I look at your name it is clear that you assume that what you believe is reality. The problem is that what you believe not allways is reality.

I do not agree and I refer to the arguments made by Ballotonia and me in the Topic mentioned above.

With regards, Nitwitium.
Catholic Europe
18-10-2003, 10:47
Ooh! I've been called a sir.

Anyway, thankyou for affirming what I believed. Now lets hope a mod does the same!

If I look at your name it is clear that you assume that what you believe is reality. The problem is that what you believe not allways is reality.

I do not agree and I refer to the arguments made by Ballotonia and me in the Topic mentioned above.

With regards, Nitwitium.

It doesn't matter really what we believe to be reality and not reality, but rather let the mods decide.
Cogitation
18-10-2003, 15:54
I'm inclined to move the linked topic to "NationStates" as it's a NationStates-related topic. However, the description of the board does say "In-Character", so I've asked the Forum Admins about changing the board description.

In the interim, I'm going to move the linked topic, anyway.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator
TROUSRS
18-10-2003, 15:58
I'm inclined to move the linked topic to "NationStates" as it's a NationStates-related topic. However, the description of the board does say "In-Character", so I've asked the Forum Admins about changing the board description.

In the interim, I'm going to move the linked topic, anyway.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

I've also requested that the Jennifer Government forum be edited because as it stands, any of Max's futre work or talk about syrup should technically be deleted.
Catholic Europe
18-10-2003, 16:37
I'm inclined to move the linked topic to "NationStates" as it's a NationStates-related topic. However, the description of the board does say "In-Character", so I've asked the Forum Admins about changing the board description.

In the interim, I'm going to move the linked topic, anyway.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

Thankyou for your decision. :)
Nitwitium
19-10-2003, 00:36
I'm inclined to move the linked topic to "NationStates" as it's a NationStates-related topic. However, the description of the board does say "In-Character", so I've asked the Forum Admins about changing the board description.

In the interim, I'm going to move the linked topic, anyway.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

Thankyou for your decision. :)

Well thank you for your decision where not the words that came up to me. If you look at the number of posting made by me it is apparent that I do not visit the Forum often. But I thought let's join the fun and create a topic on an issue relevant in the region in which I am delegate.

BUT....... The result of my initiative is that by the action of Catholic Europe the whole topic is dead. I heard it before on the grapevine and now saw it with my own eyes that the rules are becoming more important then the game. It should be the other way around. What if the NBA refs would change the rules during a game by writing some new ones? That is what happened here in my opinion.

Some people do not work this Forum for fun but to achieve their personal ambitions. Some want to play some want to be a Mod. That is okay but I think it is wrong if it takes the pleasure out for the other players. In the end there will be all wannabe Mods and people eager for their post-count. Well intellectually challenging conversations that will be.

And a note for Catholic Europe:

You should have left the smiley out when you thanked for the ruling. It gives one a (perhaps) bad impression on your motivation to your actions mentioned above. It should be for the good of the game not for personal pleasure.
Cogitation
19-10-2003, 02:08
Well thank you for your decision where not the words that came up to me. If you look at the number of posting made by me it is apparent that I do not visit the Forum often. But I thought let's join the fun and create a topic on an issue relevant in the region in which I am delegate.

BUT....... The result of my initiative is that by the action of Catholic Europe the whole topic is dead.

First, what action of Catholic Europe are you talking about?

Second, when you say that "the topic is dead", do you mean that nobody is posting in it?

The topic is still open for posting; it's merely in a different location. The link to the topic is in the first page of this thread. If you want to encourage discussion by some of your friends, then just telegram your friends with the URL. If you want people you don't know to see it, then just give the topic a bump.

I heard it before on the grapevine and now saw it with my own eyes that the rules are becoming more important then the game. It should be the other way around. What if the NBA refs would change the rules during a game by writing some new ones? That is what happened here in my opinion.

I believe that we are discussing the organization of where topics should be placed. I don't see how making slight modifications to the way topics are organized on the forums can ruin the game (though I'm willing to listen to logical arguments about it).

To carry the NBA analogy, we would be talking about how sports commentary articles should be organized in a newspaper or in what format the scores should be written down. It doesn't seem (to me) to greatly affect the game, itself.

Some people do not work this Forum for fun but to achieve their personal ambitions. Some want to play some want to be a Mod.

These statements are slightly unclear. Could you elaborate? What personal ambitions do you refer to?

That is okay but I think it is wrong if it takes the pleasure out for the other players.

I agree with this statement, but I fail to see why it is relevant to the discussion at hand. Why is moving a topic from one place to another taking the pleasure of the game away from other players?

In the end there will be all wannabe Mods and people eager for their post-count. Well intellectually challenging conversations that will be.

I don't understand how you come to this conclusion.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Forum Moderator
Ballotonia
19-10-2003, 09:22
First, what action of Catholic Europe are you talking about?

The way I see it, Catholic Europe could've merely posed the move-topic question in here and get an answer (and move). Instead CE jumped into the thread itself and made it the topic of debate. Essentially, the thread was hijacked by CE with a moderation discussion of where the topic belongs.

I tried to stop the discussion, but to no avail. Next time I see this happen, I'll refrain from giving my opinion on the hijack topic and just yell "BACK ON TOPIC". Lesson learned.

Ballotonia
Catholic Europe
19-10-2003, 11:56
First, what action of Catholic Europe are you talking about?

The way I see it, Catholic Europe could've merely posed the move-topic question in here and get an answer (and move). Instead CE jumped into the thread itself and made it the topic of debate. Essentially, the thread was hijacked by CE with a moderation discussion of where the topic belongs.

I tried to stop the discussion, but to no avail. Next time I see this happen, I'll refrain from giving my opinion on the hijack topic and just yell "BACK ON TOPIC". Lesson learned.

Ballotonia

That is wrong. All I said was modalert and then I gave a reason. However, you and Nitwitium then decided to argue with me about it, so therefore I am only a third to blame for the hijacking of the thread.

Nitwitium - I will place emoticons where I like and will put them in any of my posts. :wink:
Nitwitium
19-10-2003, 18:52
Nitwitium - I will place emoticons where I like and will put them in any of my posts. :wink:

Well good for you Catholic Europe. :) Independent and a strong free spirit are always to praise. :D But you didn't quite well get the point did you? :oops: Well that's a shame but one has to have some limitations too after such praise I gave you before. :wink: :arrow: :roll:

My statement was that you did not have the best interest of the game at heart when you called "Modreport" but there where one or more personal motives there. The emoticon was just a confirmation for me that my feeling about it was right.


Well thank you for your decision where not the words that came up to me. If you look at the number of posting made by me it is apparent that I do not visit the Forum often. But I thought let's join the fun and create a topic on an issue relevant in the region in which I am delegate.

BUT....... The result of my initiative is that by the action of Catholic Europe the whole topic is dead.
First, what action of Catholic Europe are you talking about?

Second, when you say that "the topic is dead", do you mean that nobody is posting in it?

The topic is still open for posting; it's merely in a different location. The link to the topic is in the first page of this thread. If you want to encourage discussion by some of your friends, then just telegram your friends with the URL. If you want people you don't know to see it, then just give the topic a bump.

Well people fill in the poll and then read and then they see a lot of off-topic talk for some time. I ask you would that invite one to go on reading and finally post? And about the “bumping”. Thanks for the tip but no thanks. The fun is gone. Patient deceased and if revived now, it would not be a quality life.

I heard it before on the grapevine and now saw it with my own eyes that the rules are becoming more important then the game. It should be the other way around. What if the NBA refs would change the rules during a game by writing some new ones? That is what happened here in my opinion.

I believe that we are discussing the organization of where topics should be placed. I don't see how making slight modifications to the way topics are organized on the forums can ruin the game (though I'm willing to listen to logical arguments about it).

To carry the NBA analogy, we would be talking about how sports commentary articles should be organized in a newspaper or in what format the scores should be written down. It doesn't seem (to me) to greatly affect the game, itself.

You need to rewrite a board’s description to fit my topic in. Well if it did not fit in there at my moment of starting my topic and if nowhere else, where should it be then? Yep in General. No there is an asking of a ruling and THEN you make the rewriting to fit it in.
That is the same as a referee is whistling after a players score. Players asks why you whistle? Foul. What Foul? Well the ref says I am just writing one down and I let you read it when I am ready. Logical: it belonged in General but if you rewrite descriptions you can write it the way you want. My topic should have stayed there and future topics after rewriting moved.

Some people do not work this Forum for fun but to achieve their personal ambitions. Some want to play some want to be a Mod.

These statements are slightly unclear. Could you elaborate? What personal ambitions do you refer to?

I mean personal ambitions like players eager to become a Mod. Personal ambitions like being a “Postmaster-General”. Or people trying to hide their lack of creativity to start a poll on their own and yelling Modalert whenever they can. That all creates people not playing the game but watching for rule breaking. If someone calls Modalert and you are part of the topic it is okay. But some types just wander around for rule breaking. Yelling Modreport IS the game for them.

That is okay but I think it is wrong if it takes the pleasure out for the other players.

I agree with this statement, but I fail to see why it is relevant to the discussion at hand. Why is moving a topic from one place to another taking the pleasure of the game away from other players?

If you rewrite the description for it to be moved it should have serious consequences for the game. Well if you can tell where the serious harm was I can live with it. I already gave some examples to Catholic Europe that there where similar topics at the first two pages of General. So please convince me that is was necessary for the game and I will remain eternally mute on the subject.

In the end there will be all wannabe Mods and people eager for their post-count. Well intellectually challenging conversations that will be.

I don't understand how you come to this conclusion.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Forum Moderator


Well if a person (me) starts a topic and want to talk about any issue and a “Hunter of Foul Play” comes knocking and therefore the subject of the Topic runs of to the field of “Foul-hunting” then the real issue stays un discussed.

When I think about it for a moment tree things come up:

1) Legal adagium: “Nulla poena sine praevia leges”. No punishment without a law ON FOREHAND. So…… please put my Topic back in General.

2) If we would decide that any false “Modreport” yell would be punished by reduction of 100 posts on their post count the quantity will go down and more important the quality of the reports would go up.

3) Reduce the status of the Mods as the most important people on this forum. The players are. Therefore the game is more important then the rules. Rules are just a tool to play it.


Thank you for your time,

The Dictatorship of Nitwitium.

Delegate region “Holland”.