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Received: 10 hours ago:
"Savage" is not an acceptable animal

My threads have been locked, and now my national animal is not acceptable(one that i've used for over month, and was never an issue untill today). I for one have seen many NS players use much worse than "Savage" as their national animals.

And today, more of my comrades have been targeted and deleted - seemingly for no other reason than posting opinions not popular with the mods.

40 minutes ago: The Protectorate of AWB Afrikaner ceased to exist.
49 minutes ago: The Borderlands of Afrikaner ceased to exist.
49 minutes ago: The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche ceased to exist.

I guess that there is no conspiracy to silence the opposition. Just a string of unrelated and random events.

.. At this pace, by tommorow, there won't be any dissent left on this forum.

flamebait, ie likely to provoke an antisocial / abusive response from other players.
.. in other words, posting anything that people may not agree with. If you post your own opinions and views in a well thought and professional manner - there's a possibility that your thread could be locked and yourself banned. Why? Because your unpopular views might "provoke an antiisocial / abusive response from other players"

I never saw "flamebait" in the terms that I accepted.

i fully agree with you on this one...this modding is silly and cowardly. ironically, i considered having the Savage as my national animal, named after Savage Love (the column). and i think "flamebait" is the biggest load of crap around, and nobody should be warned or banned for it...if somebody ELSE flames, that's not your fault. if you personally flame you deserve warning or other punishments, but i agree with you that posting something that might potentially result in other people flaming should not be a crime.

but oh well. since when are the mods fair. it's weird, i've never had a conflict with a mod or been warned yet, but i really am starting to dislike them a great deal.

I've only been here like, two days, but yeah, I see a lot of the Mods trying to make racists look even worse than they already are. They may be evil f*cks, but some of them are intelligent, but when they start making intelligent posts, the thread gets locked. The mods are as bad as them, being bigoted against ideas.

I've only been here like, two days, but yeah, I see a lot of the Mods trying to make racists look even worse than they already are. They may be evil f*cks, but some of them are intelligent, but when they start making intelligent posts, the thread gets locked. The mods are as bad as them, being bigoted against ideas.

YES!!! glad i'm not the only non-racist who notices this!

i fully agree with you on this one...this modding is silly and cowardly. ironically, i considered having the Savage as my national animal, named after Savage Love (the column). and i think "flamebait" is the biggest load of crap around, and nobody should be warned or banned for it...if somebody ELSE flames, that's not your fault. if you personally flame you deserve warning or other punishments, but i agree with you that posting something that might potentially result in other people flaming should not be a crime.

but oh well. since when are the mods fair. it's weird, i've never had a conflict with a mod or been warned yet, but i really am starting to dislike them a great deal.
Heh, flamebait is what makes this forum worth reading! The only thing that really pissed me off are spammers like Wally George.

I think you're all being ridiclulous. Just the other day the mods were being accused of being to lenient on the racists, now they're being too tough? Thats one hell of an about turn.

SST, didn't you national animal used to be the 'terrorised african'?

ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN BE CONSTRUED AS FLAMEBAIT, THEREFORE FLAMEBAIT, FOR ALL LOGICAL REASONS, IS UNQUESTIONABLY BULLSHIT!


yeah i know my caps were on.

Flamebait is relative.

I think you're all being ridiclulous. Just the other day the mods were being accused of being to lenient on the racists, now they're being too tough? Thats one hell of an about turn.

i have NEVER claimed mods were too lenient, towards anybody. i thought Christofi deserved ignoring, and i was surprised that he wasn't deleted considering some of the other people who are deleted, but i have never in any way supported the over-modding of a group simply because of their shared beliefs. i have always thought the mods were a little too trigger happy when it came to the racists, but now it's getting out of hand.

I've only been here like, two days, but yeah, I see a lot of the Mods trying to make racists look even worse than they already are. They may be evil f*cks, but some of them are intelligent, but when they start making intelligent posts, the thread gets locked. The mods are as bad as them, being bigoted against ideas.

YES!!! glad i'm not the only non-racist who notices this!
Others realize it. They just won't acknowledge it.

Freedom of speech for EVERYONE, including nazis.

SST is right. I saw nothing wrong with the manner in which he presented his information (although I disagree with it).

ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN BE CONSTRUED AS FLAMEBAIT, THEREFORE FLAMEBAIT, FOR ALL LOGICAL REASONS, IS UNQUESTIONABLY BULLSHIT!


I Couldn't have said it any better.

I agree and voted yes..

However, I feel that the Mods have been suprisingly fair up until this point. They have been quite good about letting all people voice their opinions. In the last week or so, though, I've noticed them coming down harder on people with certain views, probably as a response to all the whining and complaining the liberals do about "those nasty nazis."

Freedom of speech for EVERYONE, including nazis.

Freedom of speech isn't guaranteed on these forums.
I'm just asking that the same standards are applied to everyone. Instead of setting one standard for one group, and another standard for others.

Meh. When I first came on NS, I would've agreed with you, but frankly I'm getting sick of all the racist bullshit. I don't put all the blame on them, because they are just airing their views, but everytime someone makes a racism thread it just turns into a flame war. One side of the arguement had to be punished, and the racists are the ones that are actually making the threads...

Meh. When I first came on NS, I would've agreed with you, but frankly I'm getting sick of all the racist bullshit. I don't put all the blame on them, because they are just airing their views, but everytime someone makes a racism thread it just turns into a flame war. One side of the arguement had to be punished, and the racists are the ones that are actually making the threads...

Example of a racist thread?

Meh. When I first came on NS, I would've agreed with you, but frankly I'm getting sick of all the racist bullshit. I don't put all the blame on them, because they are just airing their views, but everytime someone makes a racism thread it just turns into a flame war. One side of the arguement had to be punished, and the racists are the ones that are actually making the threads...

And the liberals are the ones who turn them into flamewars, by posting useless insults instead of decent arguments.

Freedom of speech...lmao....this is not a democracy, its a website, and when people act like jerks they get deleted...thats what happens...

a little quote from the Nation States FAQ page


It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?
Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.

and another one

What can't I post?
Any content that is:

obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam

The mods have been pretty touchy as of late.

Meh. When I first came on NS, I would've agreed with you, but frankly I'm getting sick of all the racist bullshit. I don't put all the blame on them, because they are just airing their views, but everytime someone makes a racism thread it just turns into a flame war. One side of the arguement had to be punished, and the racists are the ones that are actually making the threads...

So..
if I present a logical and well thought argument, I should be held responsible if people don't agree with it and decide to flame me?

Using that same logic, if I don't like the shirt that you're wearing, and I decide to physically assault you for it.. Not only should I not be arrested - but YOU should be arrested because you were wearing a shirt that I found undesirable and thus provoked me?

ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN BE CONSTRUED AS FLAMEBAIT, THEREFORE FLAMEBAIT, FOR ALL LOGICAL REASONS, IS UNQUESTIONABLY BULLSHIT!


yeah i know my caps were on.
I consider that flamebait :D

And the liberals are the ones who turn them into flamewars, by posting useless insults instead of decent arguments.

But if noone hurled insults, the thread would just die anyway. Might as well not even make them in the first place.

Isn't it true that the original nazis were major opponents of free speach? Now why are neonazis complaining when they are targeted? They haven't exactly been nice.

Isn't it true that the original nazis were major opponents of free speach? Now why are neonazis complaining when they are targeted? They haven't exactly been nice.

isn't it true that the Catholic Church used to burn people alive for speaking out against it? so why should we show any tollerance toward Catholics?

Freedom of speech...lmao....this is not a democracy, its a website, and when people act like jerks they get deleted...thats what happens...

a little quote from the Nation States FAQ page


It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?
Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.

and another one

What can't I post?
Any content that is:

obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam

I agree about the freedom of speech not being an option, but the social contract we have is that if we stay within the rules we will not be punished. The rules are as you quoted and do not include so called flame-bait

plus I think TG's definition of flame-bait is way out. It should not be likelky to cause abuse etc it should be intended to attract abuse or whatever.

Whatevr I may think racist opinions exist and are strongly held by a lot of people. These people don't just hold these beliefs to make Spoffin mad, they really do, and when someone posts something like SST did much as I found it abhorrent i find the fact that it was not against the rules and was locked anyway worse.

All you people who say if you don't like the rules then leave... what you really mean is if you don't like people being targetted and punshed even when they do obey the rules then leave...

I for one am seriously contemplating it.

funnily enough the first time i saw state sponsored terror, I thought he was going to be some liberal against the war in IRAQ...

how wrong a squirrel can be

What's really ironic is that I'm the Mod that sent you that telegram, and I'm the Mod that's backing Tactical Grace and am being accused of being too heavy-handed against the racists, yet, not 2 days ago, I was being called a Nazi, and a racist, etc. because I defended their right to post.

State Sponsored Terror, given that your first animal was offensive, and given the nature of your most recent posts, it is not far off base to see the intent behind using "savage" as an animal.

Continued abuse of this site will result in your nations' deletion. Should you feel that this is out of line, I suggest you email admin@nationstates.net making sure to include whatever "evidence" you have of any Mod abusing their power.

Freedom of speech...lmao....this is not a democracy, its a website, and when people act like jerks they get deleted...thats what happens...

a little quote from the Nation States FAQ page


It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?
Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.

and another one

What can't I post?
Any content that is:

obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam

I agree about the freedom of speech not being an option, but the social contract we have is that if we stay within the rules we will not be punished. The rules are as you quoted and do not include so called flame-bait

plus I think TG's definition of flame-bait is way out. It should not be likelky to cause abuse etc it should be intended to attract abuse or whatever.

Whatevr I may think racist opinions exist and are strongly held by a lot of people. These people don't just hold these beliefs to make Spoffin mad, they really do, and when someone posts something like SST did much as I found it abhorrent i find the fact that it was not against the rules and was locked anyway worse.

All you people who say if you don't like the rules then leave... what you really mean is if you don't like people being targetted and punshed even when they do obey the rules then leave...

I for one am seriously contemplating it.
Wow, I'm sure that you don't really want me to agree with you, Pablo, but I do wholeheartedly. You just put that quite well, especially the definition of what is now considered flamebait and flaming. I thought that this forum was supposed to be a political opinion sounding board.

Freedom of speech is a previledge, not a right. Abuse it and it'll get taken away. Not to mention that its way overrated anyways.

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Freedom of speech is a previledge, not a right. Abuse it and it'll get taken away. Not to mention that its way overrated anyways.
Freedom of Speech in the game is indeed a privilege. Freedom of Speech elsewhere, the U.S., is a guaranteed right, or it used to be. Few of the people with conservative racial opinions have abused the privilege here.

I have a feeling that if any of you truly believed Myself or Tactical Grace to be truly biased in our actions, you'd have already quit talking and emailed admin...but that's probably me being rationally illogical again...

No-one points out that their has been a marked increase in the 'racist' threads. Many of them do descend into insults and abuse and yes, it's the anti-hatists as much as the hatists. But how often do you see threads insisting that we embrace multi-culturalism, or homosexuality, or the like. It is the hatists that keep posting and provoking responses. Now they winge because some of them are going too far and getting deleted. I don't often agree with Sputnik, but he was indeed being accused of 'nazisism' and bashing the 'left'. If you want to throw mud, expect to get some thrown back.

I think everyone is missing the point that by the rules of this site, racist posts are not allowed...period, whether they are stated politely or contain so called valid points are not. Racist threads are malicious...and that is against the rules.

I think everyone is missing the point that by the rules of this site, racist posts are not allowed...period, whether they are stated politely or contain so called valid points are not. Racist threads are malicious...and that is against the rules.
That's not the rules at all. I think racists threads are allowed, within reason. A racist post isn't in and of itself malicious unless it becomes so.

I think everyone is missing the point that by the rules of this site, racist posts are not allowed...period, whether they are stated politely or contain so called valid points are not. Racist threads are malicious...and that is against the rules.

Nope. There are many blatently racist threads running right now unfortunately.

I have a feeling that if any of you truly believed Myself or Tactical Grace to be truly biased in our actions, you'd have already quit talking and emailed admin...but that's probably me being rationally illogical again...
Not trying to piss you off, okay? But if it I thought it would make a real difference, I would. I just think that they would be ignored or Mods. would be defended without reservation.

No, believe me, Max and I have had our talks...lol...


Racism, as awful as society may make it out to be, is still a valid political view, and as such is allowed the same right to post here in the forums as any other political view. As racism and national socialism are both quite controversial, they are more closely monitored than other ideologies.

Quite often, very good, deep discussions are formed concerning these ideologies. However, far too many times these viewpoints are posted simply to incite a rise out of the rest of the forum - flamebait, and is therefore actionable.

[One day the mods are biased to the left, the next day to the right... ;)

Seriously though: Racism is simply a person's opinion. I personally stopped taking people seriously when they said I was somehow "inferior" to them because of the color of my skin a long time ago. ;) --Felix]

Okay, Neut. I'm coming to like you more and more from how you reply back to us most of the time, the way you do it. You do seem quite impartial in your job. I like you.... Aren't you thrilled?? :P

However, far too many times these viewpoints are posted simply to incite a rise out of the rest of the forum - flamebait, and is therefore actionable.

If one wanted to spark a debate, I doubt that it would be accomplished by not getting a rise out of somebody. The defintion of "flamebait" on this forum is ridiculous. You guys should target people for flaming, not the people that are the target of the flame.

Tough on flaming, tough on the causes of flaming. ;)

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

[Flamebait, technically, is just another form of flaming. I.E.

Flamebait = You should really think before you type.

^ (EXTREMELY MILD, not really flamebait, but just an example.)

^^ Technically not a flame, but can be seen as an insult by someone. Thus, flamebait. Once again, it has to be a little more blatant than "You should really think before you type" to be flamebait.

Flame = Shut up, @#$%&.

^ (Once again, a very MILD flame. I'm out of practice. So sue me.)

--Felix]

Tough on flaming, tough on the causes of flaming. ;)

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Hey, you ripped that off of Tony Blair. I'm gonna tell him.

Why was this thread moved?

Tough on flaming, tough on the causes of flaming. ;)

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
I guess that's supposed to translate into racism somehow?

NationStates Moderators
Received: 10 hours ago:
"Savage" is not an acceptable animal

My threads have been locked, and now my national animal is not acceptable(one that i've used for over month, and was never an issue untill today). I for one have seen many NS players use much worse than "Savage" as their national animals.

And today, more of my comrades have been targeted and deleted - seemingly for no other reason than posting opinions not popular with the mods.

40 minutes ago: The Protectorate of AWB Afrikaner ceased to exist.
49 minutes ago: The Borderlands of Afrikaner ceased to exist.
49 minutes ago: The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche ceased to exist.

I guess that there is no conspiracy to silence the opposition. Just a string of unrelated and random events.

.. At this pace, by tommorow, there won't be any dissent left on this forum.

flamebait, ie likely to provoke an antisocial / abusive response from other players.
.. in other words, posting anything that people may not agree with. If you post your own opinions and views in a well thought and professional manner - there's a possibility that your thread could be locked and yourself banned. Why? Because your unpopular views might "provoke an antiisocial / abusive response from other players"

I never saw "flamebait" in the terms that I accepted.

I don't know about any conspiracy, but what's wrong with have "savage" as your national animal?

NationStates Moderators
Received: 10 hours ago:
"Savage" is not an acceptable animal

My threads have been locked, and now my national animal is not acceptable(one that i've used for over month, and was never an issue untill today). I for one have seen many NS players use much worse than "Savage" as their national animals.

And today, more of my comrades have been targeted and deleted - seemingly for no other reason than posting opinions not popular with the mods.

40 minutes ago: The Protectorate of AWB Afrikaner ceased to exist.
49 minutes ago: The Borderlands of Afrikaner ceased to exist.
49 minutes ago: The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche ceased to exist.

I guess that there is no conspiracy to silence the opposition. Just a string of unrelated and random events.

.. At this pace, by tommorow, there won't be any dissent left on this forum.

flamebait, ie likely to provoke an antisocial / abusive response from other players.
.. in other words, posting anything that people may not agree with. If you post your own opinions and views in a well thought and professional manner - there's a possibility that your thread could be locked and yourself banned. Why? Because your unpopular views might "provoke an antiisocial / abusive response from other players"

I never saw "flamebait" in the terms that I accepted.

I don't know about any conspiracy, but what's wrong with have "savage" as your national animal?
[*shrug* I guess that depends on what the inference of "savage" was.]

Context. It may not have occured to anyone before, but with a known far-right nation having "savage" as a national animal, well, the intention is obvious. It was decided it would not be permitted.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Context. It may not have occured to anyone before, but with a known far-right nation having "savage" as a national animal, well, the intention is obvious. It was decided it would not be permitted.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
[Hm, never thought of it that way. Sounds good to me though. --Felix]

Context. It may not have occured to anyone before, but with a known far-right nation having "savage" as a national animal, well, the intention is obvious. It was decided it would not be permitted.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

What if a far-left nation were to have a national animal by the name of "whitey." Would it be looked into? And since when did the mods start classifying different players according to their personal political beliefs?

And why are one set of standards enforced on one group of people, and not on others? If some non-"far-right" nation had "savage" as their national animal - would it even have been an issue?

Context. It may not have occured to anyone before, but with a known far-right nation having "savage" as a national animal, well, the intention is obvious. It was decided it would not be permitted.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
[Hm, never thought of it that way. Sounds good to me though. --Felix]
It sounds good to you because you're not the one having a different set of standards applied to you. And you're not the one being classified according to your personal beliefs and opinions.

Continued abuse of this site will result in your nations' deletion. Should you feel that this is out of line, I suggest you email admin@nationstates.net <mailto:admin@nationstates.net> making sure to include whatever "evidence" you have of any Mod abusing their power.

I have a feeling that if any of you truly believed Myself or Tactical Grace to be truly biased in our actions, you'd have already quit talking and emailed admin...but that's probably me being rationally illogical again...

Uh-ohz pal, you're "starting" to come off as a bit jerk-off-ish.

Decisions are made on a case-by-case basis.

No personal abuse, please.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I know that Yarm-Reborn (not actual name, that I can't remember off hand .. his co-worker actually, as the nation claimed) was modded for having the national animal 'non-whitey.' And they don't come much more opposite of you then Yarm did.

This is going nowhere, and I will get deleted for writing this.

:shock:

Be scared........ be very scared.

Context. It may not have occured to anyone before, but with a known far-right nation having "savage" as a national animal, well, the intention is obvious. It was decided it would not be permitted.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

What if a far-left nation were to have a national animal by the name of "whitey." Would it be looked into? And since when did the mods start classifying different players according to their personal political beliefs?

And why are one set of standards enforced on one group of people, and not on others? If some non-"far-right" nation had "savage" as their national animal - would it even have been an issue?

And what was your previous animal that also required Modding?

Context. It may not have occured to anyone before, but with a known far-right nation having "savage" as a national animal, well, the intention is obvious. It was decided it would not be permitted.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

What if a far-left nation were to have a national animal by the name of "whitey." Would it be looked into? And since when did the mods start classifying different players according to their personal political beliefs?

And why are one set of standards enforced on one group of people, and not on others? If some non-"far-right" nation had "savage" as their national animal - would it even have been an issue?

And what was your previous animal that also required Modding?

My previous animal never required modding, or at least I never got any complaint sent to me by the mods.

SST, didn't you national animal used to be the 'terrorised african'?

So you're telling me this is not the case?

It sounds good to you because you're not the one having a different set of standards applied to you. And you're not the one being classified according to your personal beliefs and opinions.

SST, imagine you had a board of your own. Imagine you had the power. How would you deal with people whose opinion you don't agree with?

I find it ironic, because you espouse precisely different sets of standards for different "races", yet you protest when the tables are turned.

Please be consistent: either be tolerant of people whose opinion you don't agree with or don't be tolerant and leave the discussion. Better yet, start your own fantasy world where you can godmod all you like.

I for one promise not to dirty up your world.

SST, didn't you national animal used to be the 'terrorised african'?

So you're telling me this is not the case?

I was never warned about my last national animal - I changed it willingly. What's your point, btw?

Um, I'm attempting to show the court a trend. Your first animal was the "terrorised african," definately against game rules. To state that you changed it willingly to "savage" but had no ill intent is to assume that I, and my fellow players, are somewhat naive.

No, believe me, Max and I have had our talks...lol...


Racism, as awful as society may make it out to be, is still a valid political view, and as such is allowed the same right to post here in the forums as any other political view. As racism and national socialism are both quite controversial, they are more closely monitored than other ideologies.

Quite often, very good, deep discussions are formed concerning these ideologies. However, far too many times these viewpoints are posted simply to incite a rise out of the rest of the forum - flamebait, and is therefore actionable.



So...just to be clear, Max Barry has given the ok for all these racist threads to continue?

I've only been here like, two days, but yeah, I see a lot of the Mods trying to make racists look even worse than they already are. They may be evil f*cks, but some of them are intelligent, but when they start making intelligent posts, the thread gets locked. The mods are as bad as them, being bigoted against ideas.

I would say some racists are intelligent in the way that sometimes frogs fall from the sky. May be true, but doesn’t mean the frog should be particularly proud of the fact.

I don’t spend as much time in the Gen forums as some, but to the most part this claim seems to be untrue. That racists are allowed to exist in this game at all is only through t Max and the mod’s tolerance. They get more complaints about racists then anything else, they simply allow you to continue in the spirit of the game, as they should.


Meh. When I first came on NS, I would've agreed with you, but frankly I'm getting sick of all the racist bullshit. I don't put all the blame on them, because they are just airing their views, but everytime someone makes a racism thread it just turns into a flame war. One side of the arguement had to be punished, and the racists are the ones that are actually making the threads...

And the liberals are the ones who turn them into flamewars, by posting useless insults instead of decent arguments.

Yes, it is usually the case that only one side always causes the problem. Bias anyone?

ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN BE CONSTRUED AS FLAMEBAIT, THEREFORE FLAMEBAIT, FOR ALL LOGICAL REASONS, IS UNQUESTIONABLY BULLSHIT!


yeah i know my caps were on.
I consider that flamebait :D

If not flaimbait, it should at least qualify as only half-thought out. I give him this, it is half-thought out.

I have to ask, what's wrong with having "Savage" as your national animal? My nation is full of Savages! :lol:

Got to be intent. If someone is obviousily a flaming racist, then changes their animal to Savages, then I believe a fair bit of inference can be assumed.

Context. It may not have occured to anyone before, but with a known far-right nation having "savage" as a national animal, well, the intention is obvious. It was decided it would not be permitted.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

What if a far-left nation were to have a national animal by the name of "whitey." Would it be looked into? And since when did the mods start classifying different players according to their personal political beliefs?


I don’t think anyone would ba allowed to have Whitey as their national animal, Leftist or not. If you have seen otherwise, have an example?

Continued abuse of this site will result in your nations' deletion. Should you feel that this is out of line, I suggest you email admin@nationstates.net <mailto:admin@nationstates.net> making sure to include whatever "evidence" you have of any Mod abusing their power.

I have a feeling that if any of you truly believed Myself or Tactical Grace to be truly biased in our actions, you'd have already quit talking and emailed admin...but that's probably me being rationally illogical again...

Uh-ohz pal, you're "starting" to come off as a bit jerk-off-ish.

He’s a mod. He doesn’t have to be nice. He just has to be unbiased.

[Modedit, two duplicate posts removed]

Freedom of speech for EVERYONE, including nazis.

Flamebait sounds a bit like the concept of "hate speech".

Nazis were smart enough to know the power of words, and much of their language was designed to rally violence and all sorts of grief against people designated as scapegoat for their totally maladaptive system. This is an abuse of freedom. In my world, Nazis and others are not free to speak if it is grievous, inflammatory and hateful, based on the premise that EVERYONES rights end at the end of OTHERS noses.

Freedom of speech for EVERYONE, including nazis.

Flamebait sounds a bit like the concept of "hate speech".

Nazis were smart enough to know the power of words, and much of their language was designed to rally violence and all sorts of grief against people designated as scapegoat for their totally maladaptive system. This is an abuse of freedom. In my world, Nazis and others are not free to speak if it is grievous, inflammatory and hateful, based on the premise that EVERYONES rights end at the end of OTHERS noses.

So..
In defense of freedom, you take away freedom? :lol:

[Freedom only seems to work as long as it doesn't infringe upon the freedoms of others.

...now, that may have been kinda random but it seemed to fit.

--Felix]

Oh, and about this:
It sounds good to you because you're not the one having a different set of standards applied to you. And you're not the one being classified according to your personal beliefs and opinions.
Actually, I am, but instead, I'm not even given the ability to voice my opinion first; rather, I have a "different set of standards" applied to me because of the color of my skin, it appears. So, frankly, it seems that it is just as uncomfortable going the other way, neh?

--Felix

Reading this thread has only made me become more PRO-mod.

NS mods are actually some of the most lenient ones I've seen in any forum. And looking at all these people griefing and flaming the mods I am not only suprised but shocked at the LACK of mass deletion sprees.

You should really try one neut, I hear it helps relieve stress. :lol:

Eh, I just took out a single player's 125 multies the other night...I'm good for awhile...