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Hi

I just logged in to find I've been tossed into The Rejected Realms. My region (South Africa) has been invaded, and (slightly) offensive (for South Africans) nations and commentary has been posted on the South African message board. Digital Highway and Mukumbura - the other nations from the region - were also ejected.

I would appreciate an investigation, and respectfully request to be made founder of the region, if the two nations above agree, so that I can prevent this from happening again.

Thank you.

BTW: the offending states are all new. I wouldn't be surprised if they all belong to one person.

did you file a request via the getting help page?

That's called greifing :P

I'd bet that the three nations with the triskel flags are all the same person, but he better hope that the other UN region is a different player, otherwise he's multying too.

However, greifing is bad enough.

Is your region old, because I notice you don't have a founder (which would have solved this whole mess up quicker since the founder could boot them out and wipe the password without being in the region ... it'd still be greifing though)?

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help
^getting help page (if you haven't already)

Hi

I wasn't sure whether to post on the help page or the forum, so I chose the forum, but I guess I'll try the help page now, too.

We didn't have a founder, because the region is very old. It was founded by the (now non-existant) Empire of Pride. I was thinking of asking to be made founder, but the rules said that the region has to be an active RPing (etc) area, and we tend just to exist quietly.

It may take a few days for the mods to respond to the help request. From what I heard a little while ago, the requests are backlogged by a few days.

Once you get your region back, there is a way to get a founder. Have it be empty at the update (every 12 hours), and the region will be deleted. Have someone remake it and they will become founder.

Also, Moderation forum is supposed to be for forum issues, and getting help for game issues (for your future refrence).

Thanks. I didn't realise this forum was just for forum moderation problems/questions.

I know about that method of becoming founder, but I was worried that another nation would create the the region before I was able to, which would have made our situation worse (well, maybe not now...heh), as we could be legitimately restricted from moving back.

A little paranoid, I know, but after seeing some of the chaos that is created in this game by certain individuals...

Hmm, well I guess if your region was actually being threatened then I can see why you might not have wanted to remake for a founder. Did you guys not have a UN delegate then? Since if you didn't want to remake for fear of being taken over, you probably should have passworded the region.

We haven't had a UN delegate in months. I guess no one's interested. I certainly am not. I also have a problem in that I'm on an network, so it's possible my IP address could clash with someone else, since I don't know how widespread the use of the IP address is that I register as using.

I guess I was a little naive and idealistic in hoping that the South Africa region would just be left alone, as it has traditionally been, as I said, a quiet area that everyone was welcome to visit, and Rondebosch has been, thus far, a pacifist nation, although I am now tempted to RP the hell out of the griefers since my nation, alone, could squash all four of them put together.

Although I don't think that would make me feel better.

Also, Moderation forum is supposed to be for forum issues, and getting help for game issues (for your future refrence).

Generally speaking, that is correct. However, we have been tolerating (and, dare I say, welcoming) Corinthe's reports on regional griefings.

My observations of the region are as follows and are presented without opinion or analysis:

South Africa
World Factbook Entry: Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging region. "O mag God ons bewaar met die trek van die laer, om ons strydende land te bewaar. Ons sal werk, ons sal groei. Ons sal veg, ons sal bloei, vir ons ou Boere land." ----- Welcome fo South Africa! A region where every race loves Apartheid. Black communist terrorists such as Mangela are not tolerated. If you feel the discrimination, emigrate to Canada. A password has been set to prevent the West from bringing us it's corrupted democracy. Feel free to visit our website ----- www.awb.co.za

UN Delegate: The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche.

South Africa contains 4 nations. [List all nations]

Like what you see? Move Cogitation to South Africa today!


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Today's United Nations Report
The Smartest Citizens in South Africa
IQ tests were sent to random citizens from various nations in an attempt to determine which nations are the smartest and best educated, on average. Those citizens who failed to return their tests were scored poorly.

# Nation UN Category Motto
1. The Protectorate of AWB Afrikaner Corporate Police State "Http://www.awb.co.za/ -- Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging"
2. The Jingoistic States of Frei Boersvolk Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Boers Bloet"
3. The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche Father Knows Best State "For the Boersvolk, for freedom of black communism"
4. The Borderlands of Afrikaner Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Ons sal veg, ons sal bloei, vir ons ou Boere land."

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Regional Happenings
11 hours ago: The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche removed The Borderlands of Nothsa1 from the regional ban list.
11 hours ago: The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche updated the World Factbook entry.
23 hours ago: The Protectorate of AWB Afrikaner departed this region for Quebec
1 day ago: The Empire of Mukumbura arrived from New Hampshire.
1 day ago: The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche changed the regional password.
1 day ago: The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche changed the regional password.
1 day ago: The Borderlands of Nothsa1 departed this region for The Rejected Realms
1 day ago: The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche ejected The Borderlands of Nothsa1 from the region.
1 day ago: The Borderlands of Nothsa1 arrived from Island nations of aramir.
1 day ago: The Grand Duchy of Zielony departed this region for National Socialist Europe

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South Africa Civil Headquarters
Messages from regional members are co-ordinated here.

Lodged From Message
11 days ago The Empire of Mukumbura Ja.I guess they dont.Its a pity though.
3 days ago The Borderlands of Afrikaner It seems you people need a little bit of Apartheid up your ass.
3 days ago The Borderlands of Afrikaner The moment has came to get your ugly communist black mandelaen asses out of here. For the wealth of the Boersvolk.
2 days ago The Empire of Mukumbura No communist bastards here,I can assure you that.Where are you lot from anyway, the Orange Free State, Griqualand,Natal?
2 days ago The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche A new era will begin for South Africa.
1 day ago The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche It seems that Apartheid was not what Rondebosch, Mukumbura and Digital HIghway appreciated most. For the glory of God the Boervolk has benevolently ejected the communist terrorists who dreamt of democracy.
1 day ago The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche It seems Nothsa1 was just Rodriguezland. As they say: DESIPERE EST IURIS GENTIUM.
1 day ago The Empire of Mukumbura I was just wandering who told you guys that I had telegramed for UN support to invade.
23 hours ago The Principality of EugeneTerre Blanche It was Nothsa1, but after checking his posts in the forum he added a signature by mistake... He is Rodriguezland, a nation that you don't want to know.
20 hours ago The Empire of Mukumbura Right, thanks.

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One of the natives returned, we arranged this per telegram. As for the other two natives, they may come back if they ask me via telegram the password. Must they know that a new era has begun for South Africa. Must we add that freedom of speech is an unknown word in our language :P

I would appreciate an investigation, and respectfully request to be made founder of the region, if the two nations above agree, so that I can prevent this from happening again.

Hehe, forget this pal. Yo ain't the founder :twisted:
You can return - I want all this to be legal. But don't you speak of human right in the region. You will become a victim of Apartheid. :twisted:

And also, I am not planning to empty the region and re-create it (griefing) in the nearest future.

One of the natives returned, we arranged this per telegram. As for the other two natives, they may come back if they ask me via telegram the password. Must they know that a new era has begun for South Africa. Must we add that freedom of speech is an unknown word in our language.

Don't you dare to say that! I know very well which words are known in your language. Actually your language is originated from mine. If you can translate this in Englist, I will recognize you as legit, but until now you're nothing but a griefer in my book!

Dit is mos darem logies dat wanneer klein volke EN groot volke na die stembus gaan met 'n een-mens-een-stem benadering, die groot volk sal wen en oor die klein volk sal regeer/domineer. Nou wys die praktyk maar net uit: "Al trek die leuen (van demokrasie) dan tog so snel, die waarheid (van verskillende volkere) agterhaal hom wel".

If you dare to translate this little quote from the leader of your movement, you are a bigger person, than I give you credit for now.
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If you dare to translate this little quote from the leader of your movement, you are a bigger person, than I give you credit for now.

This is no big deal, it's just sais that the most numerous nation dominates the minority by the way of democracy, and stuff. 8) You really don't want to know, and my Afrikaans sucks since my immigration to Canada at the age of 5.

http://www.awb.co.za/images/simboliek/arend.gif

As my friends and I were thrown out of my region, without any gaming violation on my part, I understand this to be region griefing.

As this is an illegal gaming activity, I do not recognise EugeneTerre Blanche, or the other three nations, as having legitimate rights to anything. They had no right to throw us out, and therefore I have every right to request an investigation and the role of founder if the other affected parties agree to it.

EugeneTerre Blanche, you don't have the right to demand that I ask for permission to return, as you had no right to remove my rights in the first place.

I await a moderation decision.

Please report the griefing and any suspicion of UN rule violation through the Getting Help page, giving as much detail as clearly as possible.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help

Your case will be put on the task list and analysed within the next few days, depending on the size of the backlog.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I have done so. I gave a brief rundown, as well as a link to this thread. I have also kept copies of all appropriate TGs and such.

Thanks.

Multiying is more than one UN nation per computer. The other UN is not from my computer.

And since you refuse to ask me the password, this means you don't want to come back. You only want to cause trouble. :roll:

And you should know that Mukumbura is a native that has returned.
http://www.awb.co.za/images/simboliek/arend.gif

If you are attempting to inflame this matter further, don't bother. You are messing with the wrong person.

Again: I await a moderation decision. That will be the determiner.

Invaders must provide the password to natives of a Region, even if the native doesn't ask for it.

Invaders must provide the password to natives of a Region, even if the native doesn't ask for it.

Fine. As long as he doen't invite other nations that are not natives.

And also, I am not planning to empty the region and re-create it (griefing) in the nearest future.

Reminder: rules for invaders.
- All those in the region when the invasion started are natives.
- No native may be denied (re-)entry into its own region.
- Only a small number of natives may be kicked, for tactical reasons. None may remain banned.
- If a password is set, all natives must be informed of the password immediately, without them having to ask for it or other procedures.
- No spamming of Regional Happenings, or the Regional Civil HQ.

A violation of any of the above is considered griefing.

Ballotonia

Invaders must provide the password to natives of a Region, even if the native doesn't ask for it.

Fine. As long as he doen't invite other nations that are not natives.

As a native of the region, he can invite whomever he pleases.

And you should know that Mukumbura is a native that has returned.

For the purpose of nativity determination in an invasion, prior presence in the region doesn't matter. What counts is who was or wasn't in the region at the moment the invasion started.

Ballotonia

- No native may be denied (re-)entry into its own region.
- If a password is set, all natives must be informed of the password immediately, without them having to ask for it or other procedures.
A violation of any of the above is considered griefing.


I have now been sent the password. However, from what Ballatonia has said (quoted), a violation has occurred, correct, as rectifying the situation after it has been brought to the attention of the rest of the game players (and only because it has) doesn't now validate the initial transgression? I hope.

I will still wait for a moderator ruling.

BTW, what makes you all assume that I am a "he"? :D

Reminder: rules for invaders.
- All those in the region when the invasion started are natives.
- No native may be denied (re-)entry into its own region.
- Only a small number of natives may be kicked, for tactical reasons. None may remain banned.
- If a password is set, all natives must be informed of the password immediately, without them having to ask for it or other procedures.
- No spamming of Regional Happenings, or the Regional Civil HQ.

A violation of any of the above is considered griefing.

Ballotonia

Fine! In this case I am legal 8)

For the purpose of nativity determination in an invasion, prior presence in the region doesn't matter. What counts is who was or wasn't in the region at the moment the invasion started.

He was present in this region all the time, I ejected him, and he came back.

So basically everything is legal. I feel flattered. 8)

http://www.awb.co.za/images/simboliek/arend.gif

He returned because, I believe, he was unaware that it was region griefing and that there is a system in place to deal with that.

He returned because, I believe, he was unaware that it was region griefing and that there is a system in place to deal with that.

He returned because of a telegram talk with me, and he is aware that I ejected him, and I have already excuse Him for this, which I don't plan to do with you. No rules say I must agree with what you suffered being ejected.

Ha.

Oh and get a life. It was a miserable 3-nation region with no founder/delegate.

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Oh and get a life. It was a miserable 3-nation region with no founder/delegate.
We do not care. Anyone who griefs a 3-nation region will be treated the same way as anyone who griefs a 100-nation region.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I have now been sent the password. However, from what Ballatonia has said (quoted), a violation has occurred, correct, as rectifying the situation after it has been brought to the attention of the rest of the game players (and only because it has) doesn't now validate the initial transgression? I hope.
I will still wait for a moderator ruling.

Well, in my experience Mods don't tend to act as blind judges handing out verdicts for technical violations. It's basically a matter of intervention when it is needed based on using judgement. Since this situation has now resorted to what it would've been anyway if no technical violation had occured, and both of you now know what (some of) the rules are (I do suggest reading up on the FAQ and stickies in the Forum), I personally doubt a Game Mod would bother to intervene. The matter seems 'solved' as far as the game situation is concerned.

But hey, you can still hope, as I do not speak with Mod authority ;)

Ballotonia

My understanding was that moderation action takes place if there has been a rule violation and a request is sent for assitance (in this case, I presume, it is to determine if there was a rule violation).

Well it seems there have been none. I am sending the password to the other native left at this very moment.

But hey, you can still hope, as I do not speak with Mod authority ;)


Is there an invisible, hopeful "yet" at the end of that sentence? :lol: You have my vote. You have always been very helpful.

My understanding was that moderation action takes place if there has been a rule violation and a request is sent for assitance (in this case, I presume, it is to determine if there was a rule violation).

Yes, but what are we looking at as Mod action here? Maybe a warning? That's not gonna help you get rid of the invaders in your region...

Ballotonia

Sorry, but any Game Moderator action could be as much as a week away. There are often literally thousands of tasks for them to get through, and if this happens to be a busy period . . .

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Well it seems there have been none. I am sending the password to the other native left at this very moment.

Hmm. What's his name again? Irish something?>

Sorry, but any Game Moderator action could be as much as a week away. There are often literally thousands of tasks for them to get through, and if this happens to be a busy period . . .


I understand. I am willing to wait, as long as they get to it at some point. I would just feel more comfortable with an official response. I can use the time to "travel" or something.

Why Ballotonia's puppet is in the region? Can I eject this one for fun?

Just thought I'd point out that there is only one UN nation in the region now that EugeneTerre Blanche is gone. You could counter-invade them and take it back (assuming you still have/ever got the password, and if you don't then its greifing so you still win)

Yeah, seems Eugene was running around the forums flaming away, ignoring any and all warnings given. Also, Eugene had a previous nation deleted so was already on thin ice. So, I'm not sure the deletion was because of this situation or that is was a cumulative thing. Either way, it indeed helps in solving the problem posed here.

Ballotonia

Problem solved.

That's called greifing :P

I'd bet that the three nations with the triskel flags are all the same person, but he better hope that the other UN region is a different player, otherwise he's multying too.

However, greifing is bad enough.

Is your region old, because I notice you don't have a founder (which would have solved this whole mess up quicker since the founder could boot them out and wipe the password without being in the region ... it'd still be greifing though)?

Greifing only if they were invaders and 1) kicked out natives and banned them OR 2) kicked them out, did not ban them, but put up a password without Tming the natives the info.

Invaders must provide the password to natives of a Region, even if the native doesn't ask for it.

Says it all I think.

Invaders must provide the password to natives of a Region, even if the native doesn't ask for it.

Fine. As long as he doen't invite other nations that are not natives.

You’re an invader, don’t be presumptuous. It sucks, but home court advantage is high in this game.

Invaders must provide the password to natives of a Region, even if the native doesn't ask for it.

Fine. As long as he doen't invite other nations that are not natives.

As a native of the region, he can invite whomever he pleases.

The important separation is you can kick the local back out, and can not ban them. You can ban their friends, who are just a different kid of invader at that point.

Problem solved.

True that. I see a player got fried.

Thank you all for your help and support (extra special thanks to Ballotonia!). As frustrating and annoying as this process was (especially in the beginning) I have learnt a lot, so it's all good! We're getting things sorted out today (I hope).