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I submitted this yesterday and somehow it has been deleted.

"Population Reduction Initiativ"

appeared to me to be a completely valid topic of discussion.

If this was removed please describe where I went affoul of nation states rules and protocols.

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Although I don't know what the text of the proposal was, the title of the proposal sounds like that it had something to do with the Technical details of how the in-game United Nations works.

I'm guessing that you tried to suggest a game change through the United Nations; that would explain why a Game Moderator deleted your proposal. Suggestions for game changes (including changes to how the UN works) should be made on the "Technical" board, not submitted as UN proposals.

Questions about why a proposal was deleted should be posted on the "Moderation" board as such questions have to do with Moderator actions and responsibilities. iMove :arrow: "Moderation".

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I can confirm - I read the proposal, and it did suggest a game change whereby national populations could decline as well as increase. As a UN Delegate (another nation), I see a lot of Proposals get posted and disappear.

You will find rules on writing and submitting UN Proposals here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77286

My proposal would indeed be a game change. However I felt that the spirit of the UN was to deal with the world if it was our own. dealing with real world issues not just in game issues.

As such I proposed the population reduction initiative as it reflected upon the real world not so much the game.

the thinking that we could control pollution and fuel consumption and resource consumption through other means then weak efficiency guidelines.

My thought that this is more of a reflection of how that we thought the real UN should work.

does this really constitute the change of the game. I do not see any gun control issues, war options, pollution, or famine options. yet we have UN edicts regarding each of these. I do not see a change of the game engine as required here.

Population reduction

As humanity continues it's slow progress toward a higher standard of living for all humans the environment will suffer. In an effort to raise the standard of living throughout the world while simultaneously reducing environmental degradation Epidemia proposes this resolution.

All countries will by humane incentive, or financial penalty begin efforts to limit population to a 1% annual decline.

A suggested method for achieving this goal would include Tax credits will be given to family units including 0 to 1 child. After the first child, penalties of increased taxes should be levied due to the increased environmental and social burdens. If the family cannot provide the increased tax burden, the child shall be put up for adoption for a family with means to support the child. Subsequent children in the offending family will be prevented by mandatory birth control or sterilization.

The subsequent population decrease should be targeted at approximately 1950's populations or less. When a population is reduced to approximately 3 billion relaxations of reproductive restrictions may be instituted to a growth rate of -0.001%.

This reduction of population is the only way to effectively reduce pollution and resource questions as third world countries are brought up to first world standards of living.

Along with reproductive rights Emissions and fossil fuel, use should be reduced at twice the rate of population reduction. Through the implementation of more mass transit, economical cars, green computers, and improved insulation in homes. All businesses where employees spend more than 70% of their day using computers or on the phone, should be working on modifying their business plan to achieve 90% telecommuting employee base.

We in Epidemia hope the UN will adopt this platform as their standard as it will achieve much higher environmental improvements than any efficiency improvements. The population is growing worldwide and will double in the next 20 to 50 years. As the third world becomes first world, their resource use will quadruple or worse. Coupled with doubling in population this means our environment will see an 8 fold increase in pollutants and resource use. All efficiency improvements in hybrid cars and lower power computers will be swallowed up by the standard of living and population increases.


I invite all UN members to work on the wording of this proposal. However, the goal of population reduction is a necessity. The means chosen to achieve the goal of universal population reduction should be evenly born by each country.

I think the problem was that although your Proposal was addressing a real issue, with good UN RP value here, you were contradicting game mechanics - ie the undeniably regular way in which nations grow day by day. I can understand that you were not suggesting a change in coding, but there was probably too much of a clash with the way things work.

I would suggest you choose a different topic for your next Proposal. Population control just does not fit in with the way the game is designed. If you wish, you could write one about the free flow of labour or something, although I can see how that is not the same thing.

And of course the UN of this game is meant to represent issues that players put before it, as though this was the real world. Proposals on pollution or resource consumption are perfectly valid. It is OK to discuss such things as though the NS World is finite, even though it is not. But population reduction, my guess is that such a topic is in too much of a conflict with the way the game works. It does not seem to be something one can overlook, I'm afraid.

I guess that it would probably be time consuming but a message or comment would have been nice.

Just searching for my proposal and seeing that it had disappeared was a bit anoying.

the Mod who smacked it down should probably have given epidemia a telegram or something.

Heck add that to the engine. When you go to delete a post a message is sent to the sponsoring country and a prompt for a few words.

Sorry, Epidemia.

As the mod who deleted your proposal (*ducks barrage of rotten fruit*) I should have sent you a telegram but it completely slipped my mind. Not a good justification, just an apology.

accepted and appreciated.

I have resubmitted a simmiliar proposal but I softened it to be choice and incentive based.